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I'd support Ross in this. I recently did the same thing with a client of mine (not web design) even though it meant taking a significant hit on cash flow - the hassle I was getting just wasn't worth it. The funny part was, within a week or so I had three calls from other consultants I know that do the same sort of work asking if I knew anything about the company as they knew I'd done something for them. I felt duty bound to tell them the story as we all sometimes have to work together on large projects. They'd all been approached - and have now all turned it down! One insider at the client tells me they are tearing their hair out trying to find someone to work with them! Clients often don't realise what a small pool of people there may be for a particular skill - and shoot themselves in several places (not just the foot!) by messing around whoever they take on. Riva - you never seem to be short of work, so don't drive yourself crazy with this one - face them down as Ross suggested - they'll either toe the line or you'll walk away. Either way you are better off! My tuppence worth! Peter MacGregor At 21:46 06/07/2006, you wrote: Thank you Ross. I have started e-mails to them but ended up never sending them. That was probably a mistake!! Riva Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Riva If I were you I'd politely decline to continue the project on teh grounds that it is incresing difficult and costly for you to operate with such internal conflict on what this project is supposed to entail. Their decision-making process is beyond your scope as a developer and until such time they can approach you with a fixed and definitive brief then it is achieveing nothing except waste your time and money, a cost of which, naturally, you have no choice but to pass on to them. Furthermore the design choices being made, irrespective of your PROFESSIONAL advice, will ultimately serve only to destroy any professional image and credibility this company may have already. As a developer you must deliver what the client wants. Should that client make choices that will be of a determent to them, you take pride in your work and have a professional and personal responsibility to inform them of these facts and provide your expertise. At the end of the day, if the client knew what they were doing they wouldn't have hired you. So put the ball back into their court: either recoup the wasted time and inform them that you will continue to do so while they in-fight, stand your ground and let them they're going to make themselves look ridiculous if they continue down this route, or pull the plug on the grounds of professional disagreement. Unless they're willing to keep paying you for the time and energy they're wasting here, this job and this client are not worth the headaches and associating yourself with what will end up as a 1998 high school Frontpage job. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 03/07/2006 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
Riva If they're insistent on using the photo then why not try the Windows Vista-style design? I think Microsoft have hired some half-decent designers as their Vista site is actually really nice visually. For your project I'm referring specifically to the Vista start page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/ although I prefer one of the earlier versions with clouds and soft water instead of that meadow-based young lady. You'll need a high-quality, crisp image to work with to pull this off, but it's a good start anyway. Furthermore I'd really try and push them into dropping the image for a common site background or at least restricting it to a smaller header strip. In my opinion it'll make their image look a thousand bucks, plus it'll get the ooh we look like Microsoft, so that MUST mean we're fantastic mentality going (which is a nice trick to remember to get design-oblivious or awkward clients happy in a hurry). MOU ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Riva, I'm going to add my 2 cents worth on one point though in general, I agree with Deb and Ross. If you do continue to work with them, insist on a better picture. The out of focus one they've given you looks horrid as a web page and it will totally detract from anything else you do, especially if it's the full page background. Ann -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:59 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Client request! Riva If they're insistent on using the photo then why not try the Windows Vista-style design? I think Microsoft have hired some half-decent designers as their Vista site is actually really nice visually. For your project I'm referring specifically to the Vista start page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/ although I prefer one of the earlier versions with clouds and soft water instead of that meadow-based young lady. You'll need a high-quality, crisp image to work with to pull this off, but it's a good start anyway. Furthermore I'd really try and push them into dropping the image for a common site background or at least restricting it to a smaller header strip. In my opinion it'll make their image look a thousand bucks, plus it'll get the ooh we look like Microsoft, so that MUST mean we're fantastic mentality going (which is a nice trick to remember to get design-oblivious or awkward clients happy in a hurry). MOU ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
Here it is... http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/Moodus/ Ann -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:49 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Client request! Can somebody post Riva's link again please, or if you have the image Riva without the text on it can you mail me off list? Just want to try something MOU ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Thank you all for the advice and replies. This is a really great group of people. Riva The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Agreed, I rarely have to fire a client but have done so on a couple of occasions. Typically I screen the real PIA people out before they become clients. As I told one person I'd rather be a greeter at Wal-Mart than work with some people. One person I mentored a few years back told me the best pieces of advice I had ever given her was: 1. The client is NOT always right. 2. You don't need to accept every potential client that comes along. 3. Some clients are not worth the aggravation they cause and no PIA* factor will make them worth keeping. *I have a PIA factor scale that increases the rate as the PIA goes up. In many cases, this will cause a decision In the client to find another person to do their work. If not, and the aggravation factor is not too high I get compensate for their behavior. Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com Online instructor led training available at http://starttoweb.com -Original Message- From: Peter MacGregor I'd support Ross in this. snipped Clients often don't realise what a small pool of people there may be for a particular skill - and shoot themselves in several places (not just the foot!) by messing around whoever they take on. Riva - you never seem to be short of work, so don't drive yourself crazy with this one - face them down as Ross suggested - they'll either toe the line or you'll walk away. Either way you are better off! My tuppence worth! The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I suppose it's not really surprising give the history of Microsoft - but viewing the Vista Link Ross gave in FF, the first Title Experience Windows Vista overlaps the first line of the text in the paragraph! Thank heavens I am not restricted to buying only French Petrol to make my French-manufactured car work properly. I'd be in real trouble around here if I was as I haven't seen a Total-Elf petrol station for months! Peter MacGregor At 09:58 07/07/2006, you wrote: Riva If they're insistent on using the photo then why not try the Windows Vista-style design? I think Microsoft have hired some half-decent designers as their Vista site is actually really nice visually. For your project I'm referring specifically to the Vista start page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/ although I prefer one of the earlier versions with clouds and soft water instead of that meadow-based young lady. You'll need a high-quality, crisp image to work with to pull this off, but it's a good start anyway. Furthermore I'd really try and push them into dropping the image for a common site background or at least restricting it to a smaller header strip. In my opinion it'll make their image look a thousand bucks, plus it'll get the ooh we look like Microsoft, so that MUST mean we're fantastic mentality going (which is a nice trick to remember to get design-oblivious or awkward clients happy in a hurry). MOU ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 04/07/2006 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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(forgot to say this) I know it's lifted directly from the Windows Vista site, but I think it manages to work in the photo very well, and in my personal opinion this is really the only way you're going to be able to work in a solid photo as a background and still maintain a professional-looking image. Oh and for all of those of you with Photoshop CS2, the Smart Sharpen filter is a godsend - that is the same image Riva's used given a few passes on the filter! Not perfect I know but it has definition and leaves now! MOU ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Wow! That looks great. Do you want to work with these people?? (Only kidding.) Riva Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Peter: LOL I'm not surprised either Riva: http://www.themmen.co.uk/ross/sinai_vista.jpg What you think? MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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lol Riva I already have a client like that not sure I could handle another one! MOU ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
Hi all, I have a client that I am really regretting taking on. One of the reasons is that it is a small organization and the guy who I first spoke to said that he was getting too busy and from now on I would work with guy2. Guy2 then said that he was too busy and I would now work with guy3. Guy3 is also now too busy and I am working with the first guy again. The problem is that each person has their own idea about what looks good and what doesn't. They finally agreed that they all want a picture of the lake in the background and one or two other things. My latest request is that the menu on the side not be in a box. Because the background is a lake picture with trees and sky, part of the menu is in the sky and the other part is over the trees. How do I make a menu that isn't in a box that will appear on both sky and trees and doesn't look awful?? Any ideas would be much appreciated. http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/Moodus TIA, Riva The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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At 12:33 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: My latest request is that the menu on the side not be in a box. Because the background is a lake picture with trees and sky, part of the menu is in the sky and the other part is over the trees. How do I make a menu that isn't in a box that will appear on both sky and trees and doesn't look awful?? Any ideas would be much appreciated. http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/Moodus Hi Riva, Well, first of all I don't know if you realize this but the entire background is tiling so on my screen I have several backgrounds side by side and on top of one another which is something I would address. As for the menu, what about removing the box and just use links? Or, you could do a horizontal menu so the box isn't just floating there, but instead is at the top of the page? :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hi, Honestly, the first viewing of the page made me feel it's a joke; it's not just the small issue of the menu (you can always make the box without outline and with transparent background). It's the big problem of the whole page design. And I don't think anyone here would not say so. Good luck At 10:33 AM 7/6/2006, you wrote: Hi all, I have a client that I am really regretting taking on. One of the reasons is that it is a small organization and the guy who I first spoke to said that he was getting too busy and from now on I would work with guy2. Guy2 then said that he was too busy and I would now work with guy3. Guy3 is also now too busy and I am working with the first guy again. The problem is that each person has their own idea about what looks good and what doesn't. They finally agreed that they all want a picture of the lake in the background and one or two other things. My latest request is that the menu on the side not be in a box. Because the background is a lake picture with trees and sky, part of the menu is in the sky and the other part is over the trees. How do I make a menu that isn't in a box that will appear on both sky and trees and doesn't look awful?? Any ideas would be much appreciated. http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/Moodus TIA, Riva -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I know! The old design was awful and they seem to be steering this design back to the old design. I don't know if I will even include this site in my portfolio . . . I find that without a colored background, the menu items are not legible. Riva K.F. Wu wrote: Hi, Honestly, the first viewing of the page made me feel it's a joke; it's not just the small issue of the menu (you can always make the box without outline and with transparent background). It's the big problem of the whole page design. And I don't think anyone here would not say so. Good luck At 10:33 AM 7/6/2006, you wrote: Hi all, I have a client that I am really regretting taking on. One of the reasons is that it is a small organization and the guy who I first spoke to said that he was getting too busy and from now on I would work with guy2. Guy2 then said that he was too busy and I would now work with guy3. Guy3 is also now too busy and I am working with the first guy again. The problem is that each person has their own idea about what looks good and what doesn't. They finally agreed that they all want a picture of the lake in the background and one or two other things. My latest request is that the menu on the side not be in a box. Because the background is a lake picture with trees and sky, part of the menu is in the sky and the other part is over the trees. How do I make a menu that isn't in a box that will appear on both sky and trees and doesn't look awful?? Any ideas would be much appreciated. http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/Moodus TIA, Riva The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hi Deb, Yes. I have fixed that but have not uploaded the new stylesheet yet. Thanks for pointing it out. I had a horizontal menu and they nixed (sp?) it and wanted a menu on the side. I have half a mind to tell them to find someone else to do this. Riva PBC Web Design wrote: Hi Riva, Well, first of all I don't know if you realize this but the entire background is tiling so on my screen I have several backgrounds side by side and on top of one another which is something I would address. As for the menu, what about removing the box and just use links? Or, you could do a horizontal menu so the box isn't just floating there, but instead is at the top of the page? :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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What do you think would make the site look more professional? It looks as though I am stuck with that darn picture in the background . . . Riva The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Riva If I were you I'd politely decline to continue the project on teh grounds that it is incresing difficult and costly for you to operate with such internal conflict on what this project is supposed to entail. Their decision-making process is beyond your scope as a developer and until such time they can approach you with a fixed and definitive brief then it is achieveing nothing except waste your time and money, a cost of which, naturally, you have no choice but to pass on to them. Furthermore the design choices being made, irrespective of your PROFESSIONAL advice, will ultimately serve only to destroy any professional image and credibility this company may have already. As a developer you must deliver what the client wants. Should that client make choices that will be of a determent to them, you take pride in your work and have a professional and personal responsibility to inform them of these facts and provide your expertise. At the end of the day, if the client knew what they were doing they wouldn't have hired you. So put the ball back into their court: either recoup the wasted time and inform them that you will continue to do so while they in-fight, stand your ground and let them they're going to make themselves look ridiculous if they continue down this route, or pull the plug on the grounds of professional disagreement. Unless they're willing to keep paying you for the time and energy they're wasting here, this job and this client are not worth the headaches and associating yourself with what will end up as a 1998 high school Frontpage job. MOU ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
Thank you Ross. I have started e-mails to them but ended up never sending them. That was probably a mistake!! Riva Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Riva If I were you I'd politely decline to continue the project on teh grounds that it is incresing difficult and costly for you to operate with such internal conflict on what this project is supposed to entail. Their decision-making process is beyond your scope as a developer and until such time they can approach you with a fixed and definitive brief then it is achieveing nothing except waste your time and money, a cost of which, naturally, you have no choice but to pass on to them. Furthermore the design choices being made, irrespective of your PROFESSIONAL advice, will ultimately serve only to destroy any professional image and credibility this company may have already. As a developer you must deliver what the client wants. Should that client make choices that will be of a determent to them, you take pride in your work and have a professional and personal responsibility to inform them of these facts and provide your expertise. At the end of the day, if the client knew what they were doing they wouldn't have hired you. So put the ball back into their court: either recoup the wasted time and inform them that you will continue to do so while they in-fight, stand your ground and let them they're going to make themselves look ridiculous if they continue down this route, or pull the plug on the grounds of professional disagreement. Unless they're willing to keep paying you for the time and energy they're wasting here, this job and this client are not worth the headaches and associating yourself with what will end up as a 1998 high school Frontpage job. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
At 02:25 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: What do you think would make the site look more professional? It looks as though I am stuck with that darn picture in the background . . . Riva If you have to use the photo one possibility is making it smaller, add an oval shape around it of a solid coordinating color. Put the nav on the left right aligned to go around the left side of the oval and then center it in the site page. You could also try a gradient fade of the photo. :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
At 09:13 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: That's a great idea Deb. Where would the text go though? Well, if you make the photo considerably smaller (like about half it's current size) then you'd have room for text next to it or you could put the text under it depending upon how much text there is. That was just one idea, too Riva. A quickie that crossed my mind in a flash. This photo is also pretty blurry and I think a clear, crisp photo is in order. One thing I forgot to mention would be to mute the photo edges so it blends rather than leaving it as a stark photo - something to make it not just look like a photo slapped into a page. What's there *can* be made to look much more professional if they'll give you some rope to work with, LOL! instead of hanging you with it. This site definitely needs a professional touch and if these people aren't going to listen to you my suggestion is if you continue to do the work that you not put it in your portfolio nor put your link to it on the bottom - at least not as the designer. If they want the site to look unprofessional that's their business, if you want to continue the work that's your business but YOUR BUSINESS doesn't have to suffer because of it. Make sense? :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
Yes. Thank you. I guess I am just so stressed from looking at this site and dealing with these people that I can't think straight anymore. Riva PBC Web Design wrote: Well, if you make the photo considerably smaller (like about half it's current size) then you'd have room for text next to it or you could put the text under it depending upon how much text there is. That was just one idea, too Riva. A quickie that crossed my mind in a flash. This photo is also pretty blurry and I think a clear, crisp photo is in order. One thing I forgot to mention would be to mute the photo edges so it blends rather than leaving it as a stark photo - something to make it not just look like a photo slapped into a page. What's there *can* be made to look much more professional if they'll give you some rope to work with, LOL! instead of hanging you with it. This site definitely needs a professional touch and if these people aren't going to listen to you my suggestion is if you continue to do the work that you not put it in your portfolio nor put your link to it on the bottom - at least not as the designer. If they want the site to look unprofessional that's their business, if you want to continue the work that's your business but YOUR BUSINESS doesn't have to suffer because of it. Make sense? :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Client request!!!!!
At 09:34 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: Yes. Thank you. I guess I am just so stressed from looking at this site and dealing with these people that I can't think straight anymore. Suggestion then would be to take a break from it. That's what I do and it generally helps. :: Deb | PBC Web Design :: http://www.pbcwebdesign.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
