Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-20 Thread Peter MacGregor

Interpol - eat yer heart out!!

Bit disappointing to find so many homepages no 
longer valid - at least the way I clicked on them!


Peter MacGregor


At 20:20 19/09/2006, you wrote:
Anyone have the URL for the old photo gallery 
which used to be floating around?


arrr, matey, what a foine scurvy crew this be...

 http://www.laughing-buddha.net/wdvl/


;o)



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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-20 Thread Bj
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On 9/18/06, Portman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,

The list has been quiet for a while - is anyone still out there?




Don't forget BJ and Michael Ensor when recalling names. Or Stephen 
Caudill.



I'm still here!  (was busy yesterday though)

Bj 



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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories - more

2006-09-20 Thread r937
Well, my client actually meant that he is looking for companies who do the 
directory submissions for you. Any ideas on that?


everything i've heard is that a company which submits your site to search 
engines and/or directories knows less about your client's business than your 
client, and further, that you can do as good a job yourself even if you just 
manage to submit to the three or four major search engines


as i said earlier, specialized directories (e.g. for a market niche) should 
already be known to you or your client, and you can submit to those quite 
readily




rudy 



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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories - more

2006-09-20 Thread Portman
I have optimized his site for search engines and plan to submit them 
manually - is anything more than that a waste?


Riva

r937 wrote:
everything i've heard is that a company which submits your site to 
search engines and/or directories knows less about your client's 
business than your client, and further, that you can do as good a job 
yourself even if you just manage to submit to the three or four major 
search engines


as i said earlier, specialized directories (e.g. for a market niche) 
should already be known to you or your client, and you can submit to 
those quite readily




rudy


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories - more

2006-09-20 Thread Portman

Thanks Mark.

Mark Groen wrote:

Yup!

Here's where to start with Google:

http://www.google.com/intl/en/submit_content.html


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Ann Dietz
-Original Message-
From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 PM
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 yup! 

 http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk

 cheers,

   Mark Groen


Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
about it?

Nice work.

Ann





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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread David Precious

On 19/09/06, Ann Dietz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



 http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk



Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
about it?


Er... it's just the web interface to the list... it allows you to read
posts through the web interface if that floats your boat, and also
change your subscription settings.

It's been there for quiet a long time, and is linked to in the footer
appended to every list mail:

 To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface:
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:)

And yes, this list has been very, very quiet lately... I think Rudy
might be right, there's no websites left to do :)

Cheers

Dave P

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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Ann Dietz
Thanks David.  Guess I just wasn't too observant.  I tend to ignore all the
stuff at the bottom of the email.

And yes, it's been very quiet. I'm guessing that people have identified
/joined some other lists that are answering their questions.  

I joined WiseWomen and CSS-D, both of which generate email at an amazing
rate and are tough to keep up with but are good in terms of answers for
their specific focus.  

Does anyone else have lists that they rely on?

Ann




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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread r937

Does anyone else have lists that they rely on?


a, lassie, do it need to be a list?

i've found a wonderful crew of varmints on http://sitepointforums.com

avast, ye need to see it online, it's not the same as email

;o)



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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Ann Dietz
Oookkkaaa -- I think I figured this out.  I just saw a post elsewhere
that says it's Talk Like a Pirate day.  That must explain some of this.  I
have flitted past the sitepoint website and actually looked at a couple of
the tutorials but have not browsed the forums.  

I shall take a look -- have fun with the pirate stuff, mate.

Ann

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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:57 AM
To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

 Does anyone else have lists that they rely on?

a, lassie, do it need to be a list?

i've found a wonderful crew of varmints on http://sitepointforums.com

avast, ye need to see it online, it's not the same as email

;o)





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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread David Precious

On 19/09/06, Ann Dietz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oookkkaaa -- I think I figured this out.  I just saw a post elsewhere
that says it's Talk Like a Pirate day.  That must explain some of this.


A, 'tis indeed.  [1]

Avast, where's me rum?


[1] http://www.talklikeapirate.com

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 10:10 PM 9/18/2006, you wrote:

DMOZ would be good, plus of course any directories that actually have
something to do with the subject matter at hand


I disagree here.  I refuse to submit to DMOZ anymore.  There really 
isn't a reason to and you'll find if you hop on over to 
www.highrankings.com Jill Whalen's boards and do some hunting you'll 
find the reasons for not submitting to DMOZ.  Even Jill herself says 
not to bother and I do believe in one or more of the posts she may 
even mention that it can be a detriment to the site.


One of my own top reasons is that about 8most ago or so I found out 
that Google uses DMOZ in some fashion.  Well, I wound up having a 
very very very old DMOZ entry stuck in my description results after 
a search for eons.  Couldn't figure out where it was coming from as 
it wasn't coming from my site.  This one little thing affected my 
rankings and try to get someone at DMOZ to change anything?  Don't 
hold your breath.  I'm sure all the people who volunteer there are 
very nice but they're also very overworked as DMOZ is all manual 
labor.  They just can't keep up for one thing.  So, my advice is to 
check out Jill's boards and do a double think before submitting there.



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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 04:02 AM 9/19/2006, you wrote:

And yes, this list has been very, very quiet lately... I think Rudy
might be right, there's no websites left to do :)


or maybe everyone's so busy creating them they don't have time to 
post?  That would be me, LOL!



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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Mark Groen
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 04:53 -0400, Ann Dietz wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 PM
 To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
 Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Directories
 
 
  yup! 
 
  http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk
 
  cheers,
 
  Mark Groen
 
 
 Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
 about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
 about it?
 
 Nice work.

Arrr me beauty, tis not I that did the deed, here's a little history
behind wdvl:

The project started as a hotlist on a NASA computer in late 1993, and
was moved to Charm Net in 1994. It became part of The WWW Virtual
Library (originally at CERN) in September 1994. The CyberWeb was
announced in What's New, October 16, 1994 (528 Kbytes). The Stars.com
domain name was granted on December 22nd 1994. The WDVL was founded at
about the same time as the W3C - mid 1994. It's the oldest commercial
web developer resource (supported by ads). It was the web's first
comprehensive web developer resource.

More:
http://www.wdvl.com/WDVL/About.html

cheers,

Mark


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Ann Dietz
LOL -- thanks for the enlightenment.  I had no idea that WDVLtalk had such
an illustrious background.

Ann

-Original Message-
From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:04 AM
To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 04:53 -0400, Ann Dietz wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 PM
 To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
 Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Directories
 
 
  yup! 
 
  http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk
 
  cheers,
 
  Mark Groen
 
 
 Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
 about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
 about it?
 
 Nice work.

Arrr me beauty, tis not I that did the deed, here's a little history
behind wdvl:

The project started as a hotlist on a NASA computer in late 1993, and
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Library (originally at CERN) in September 1994. The CyberWeb was
announced in What's New, October 16, 1994 (528 Kbytes). The Stars.com
domain name was granted on December 22nd 1994. The WDVL was founded at
about the same time as the W3C - mid 1994. It's the oldest commercial
web developer resource (supported by ads). It was the web's first
comprehensive web developer resource.

More:
http://www.wdvl.com/WDVL/About.html

cheers,

Mark


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Peter MacGregor
Good Grief! I must have been around here almost 
from the start of wdvl - and I thought I was moving on! LOL


I wonder how many old-timers are still here, 
lurking in the background? David P of course and 
Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl comes and goes 
(as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is still 
having to work for a living! (Tough Luck Deb - 
I'm in the same boat - but I suspect you're in 
First Class while I'm still down here in 
steerage. grin) Anyone know what happened to 
Jaclyn Ward (from Cork I recall?) Anyone remember 
Abigail Marshall - working with dyslexic kids in 
California I think. Are you still lurking Casey 
Crookston? What about Chelsey Gourgaud? Joseph 
Harris was a prolific contributor last year but 
seems to have learnt all there is to know too! 
What about Fran? And Tristan Pretty?


There's a few names I can recall! If any are 
reading this  - Good Luck to you all, hope life 
is treating you well. Now, must get on do some of 
that stuff David mentioned. What was it? Oh, yes Work! LOL


Peter MacGregor




At 15:04 19/09/2006, you wrote:

On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 04:53 -0400, Ann Dietz wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 PM
 To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
 Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Directories


  yup!
 
  http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk
 
  cheers,
 
  Mark Groen


 Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
 about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
 about it?

 Nice work.

Arrr me beauty, tis not I that did the deed, here's a little history
behind wdvl:

The project started as a hotlist on a NASA computer in late 1993, and
was moved to Charm Net in 1994. It became part of The WWW Virtual
Library (originally at CERN) in September 1994. The CyberWeb was
announced in What's New, October 16, 1994 (528 Kbytes). The Stars.com
domain name was granted on December 22nd 1994. The WDVL was founded at
about the same time as the W3C - mid 1994. It's the oldest commercial
web developer resource (supported by ads). It was the web's first
comprehensive web developer resource.

More:
http://www.wdvl.com/WDVL/About.html

cheers,

Mark


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2006-09-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 10:19 AM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
I wonder how many old-timers are still here, lurking in the 
background? David P of course and Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl 
comes and goes (as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is still having 
to work for a living! (Tough Luck Deb - I'm in the same boat - but I 
suspect you're in First Class while I'm still down here in steerage. grin)


LOL! Nice to be called an old-timer here G


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Joseph Harris

From: Peter MacGregor

Joseph Harris was a prolific contributor last year but
seems to have learnt all there is to know too!

+++If only... ;-)

Peter MacGregor

+++Hi Tim!   Glad to hear you're employed again.

Joseph




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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 04:53 -0400, Ann Dietz wrote:
 -Original Message-
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  yup!
 
  http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk
 
  cheers,
 
  Mark Groen


 Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there 
 another email
 about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I 
 just didn't know

 about it?

 Nice work.

Arrr me beauty, tis not I that did the deed, here's a little 
history

behind wdvl:

The project started as a hotlist on a NASA computer in late 
1993, and
was moved to Charm Net in 1994. It became part of The WWW 
Virtual

Library (originally at CERN) in September 1994. The CyberWeb was
announced in What's New, October 16, 1994 (528 Kbytes). The 
Stars.com
domain name was granted on December 22nd 1994. The WDVL was 
founded at
about the same time as the W3C - mid 1994. It's the oldest 
commercial
web developer resource (supported by ads). It was the web's 
first

comprehensive web developer resource.

More:
http://www.wdvl.com/WDVL/About.html

cheers,

Mark


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace

Peter MacGregor wrote:
Good Grief! I must have been around here almost from the start of wdvl - 
and I thought I was moving on! LOL


I wonder how many old-timers are still here, lurking in the 
background? David P of course and Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl comes 
and goes (as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is still having to work 
for a living! (Tough Luck Deb - I'm in the same boat - but I suspect 
you're in First Class while I'm still down here in steerage. grin) 
Anyone know what happened to Jaclyn Ward (from Cork I recall?) Anyone 
remember Abigail Marshall - working with dyslexic kids in California I 
think. Are you still lurking Casey Crookston? What about Chelsey 
Gourgaud? Joseph Harris was a prolific contributor last year but seems 
to have learnt all there is to know too! What about Fran? And Tristan 
Pretty?


There's a few names I can recall! If any are reading this  - Good Luck 
to you all, hope life is treating you well. Now, must get on do some of 
that stuff David mentioned. What was it? Oh, yes Work! LOL


Don't forget Le Pheuron, Master of the Universe... ;)

Matt

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread David Precious

Wow - the list has just come alive again - like a big reunion!

Good to see all the old-timers again... some of us have been on this
list for way too long :)

Anyone have the URL for the old photo gallery which used to be floating around?

That'd be amusing to look back on.  Not sure that I ever got myself
listed on there come to think of it... that's probably a good thing :)

Cheers

Dave P

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Peter MacGregor
Of course! Very remiss of me - and forgetting 
yourself too! Shows how the memory fails as the grey hairs come through! LOL


Cheers

Peter
PS - Many of these names are probably all 
gibberish to the newcomers - though revered by many of us!


At 16:40 19/09/2006, you wrote:

Peter MacGregor wrote:
Good Grief! I must have been around here almost 
from the start of wdvl - and I thought I was moving on! LOL
I wonder how many old-timers are still here, 
lurking in the background? David P of course 
and Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl comes and 
goes (as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is 
still having to work for a living! (Tough Luck 
Deb - I'm in the same boat - but I suspect 
you're in First Class while I'm still down here 
in steerage. grin) Anyone know what happened 
to Jaclyn Ward (from Cork I recall?) Anyone 
remember Abigail Marshall - working with 
dyslexic kids in California I think. Are you 
still lurking Casey Crookston? What about 
Chelsey Gourgaud? Joseph Harris was a prolific 
contributor last year but seems to have learnt 
all there is to know too! What about Fran? And Tristan Pretty?
There's a few names I can recall! If any are 
reading this  - Good Luck to you all, hope life 
is treating you well. Now, must get on do some 
of that stuff David mentioned. What was it? Oh, yes Work! LOL


Don't forget Le Pheuron, Master of the Universe... ;)

Matt

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Peter MacGregor
No, David, I don't - and even if I had I'm not so 
sure I'd publish it - might frighten the 
children on the list to see all those old timers. LOL


Peter



At 16:42 19/09/2006, you wrote:

Wow - the list has just come alive again - like a big reunion!

Good to see all the old-timers again... some of us have been on this
list for way too long :)

Anyone have the URL for the old photo gallery 
which used to be floating around?


That'd be amusing to look back on.  Not sure that I ever got myself
listed on there come to think of it... that's probably a good thing :)

Cheers

Dave P

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Drew Trusz

On 9/18/06, Portman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,

The list has been quiet for a while - is anyone still out there?




Don't forget BJ and Michael Ensor when recalling names. Or Stephen Caudill.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread contact
Hey guys,

I used the list heavily in the 90s and up to a couple years ago, but now I'm in 
politics so my designing and programming days are regrettably pretty much over. 
 I do lurk in the background just for old time's sake. 

I hope everyone is doing well. 

Will Stewart

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-Original Message-
From: Peter MacGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:19:25 
To:wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

Good Grief! I must have been around here almost 
from the start of wdvl - and I thought I was moving on! LOL

I wonder how many old-timers are still here, 
lurking in the background? David P of course and 
Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl comes and goes 
(as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is still 
having to work for a living! (Tough Luck Deb - 
I'm in the same boat - but I suspect you're in 
First Class while I'm still down here in 
steerage. grin) Anyone know what happened to 
Jaclyn Ward (from Cork I recall?) Anyone remember 
Abigail Marshall - working with dyslexic kids in 
California I think. Are you still lurking Casey 
Crookston? What about Chelsey Gourgaud? Joseph 
Harris was a prolific contributor last year but 
seems to have learnt all there is to know too! 
What about Fran? And Tristan Pretty?

There's a few names I can recall! If any are 
reading this  - Good Luck to you all, hope life 
is treating you well. Now, must get on do some of 
that stuff David mentioned. What was it? Oh, yes Work! LOL

Peter MacGregor




At 15:04 19/09/2006, you wrote:
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 04:53 -0400, Ann Dietz wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 PM
  To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
  Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Directories
 
 
   yup!
  
   http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk
  
   cheers,
  
   Mark Groen
 
 
  Interesting forum, Mark.  Did you set that up?  Was there another email
  about it that I missed? Or has it always been there and I just didn't know
  about it?
 
  Nice work.

Arrr me beauty, tis not I that did the deed, here's a little history
behind wdvl:

The project started as a hotlist on a NASA computer in late 1993, and
was moved to Charm Net in 1994. It became part of The WWW Virtual
Library (originally at CERN) in September 1994. The CyberWeb was
announced in What's New, October 16, 1994 (528 Kbytes). The Stars.com
domain name was granted on December 22nd 1994. The WDVL was founded at
about the same time as the W3C - mid 1994. It's the oldest commercial
web developer resource (supported by ads). It was the web's first
comprehensive web developer resource.

More:
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cheers,

 Mark


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread r937
Anyone have the URL for the old photo gallery which used to be floating 
around?


arrr, matey, what a foine scurvy crew this be...

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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Cheryl D Wise
I read everything that comes through but I'm juggling so many things right
now that I am rarely writing anything that I don't have to. g

I think Fran is also lurking she mentioned something not long ago and yes, I
recognize those names and some more like Rudy, Andrew, MOU, ...

Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
http://by-expression.com
Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com

-Original Message-
From: Peter MacGregor  

Good Grief! I must have been around here almost 
from the start of wdvl - and I thought I was moving on! LOL

I wonder how many old-timers are still here, 
lurking in the background? David P of course and 
Roel and now Tim's back, Cheryl comes and goes 
(as do we all I guess) and I see Deb is still 
having to work for a living! (Tough Luck Deb - 
I'm in the same boat - but I suspect you're in 
First Class while I'm still down here in 
steerage. grin) Anyone know what happened to 
Jaclyn Ward (from Cork I recall?) Anyone remember 
Abigail Marshall - working with dyslexic kids in 
California I think. Are you still lurking Casey 
Crookston? What about Chelsey Gourgaud? Joseph 
Harris was a prolific contributor last year but 
seems to have learnt all there is to know too! 
What about Fran? And Tristan Pretty?


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Cheryl D Wise
MM-DW list on Yahoo which I moderate as well as the frontpage list on Yahoo.
I am spending a fair amount of time over on the Microsoft Expression Public
newsgroup since I am in the process of writing a book on the new MS editor
Expression Web (I owe a few beers over at Microsoft because they managed to
do a few things I would never have though to see in an MS web program -aka
standards complaint out of the box (XHTML Transitional/CSS 2) that you could
actually write a CSS Zen Garden layout without ever touching the code
directly. I'm not saying that it would be a wonderful design but it would be
design and standards compliant (the person I owe the beer to is a programmer
- enough said.g)

I still subscribe to css-d but don't have much time for actually reading it.
I tend to skim the subjects and dump wholesale. 

I own a small expression web designer mail list over on google groups as
well.

Cheryl D Wise
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-Original Message-
From: Ann Dietz  

Thanks David.  Guess I just wasn't too observant.  I tend to ignore all the
stuff at the bottom of the email.

And yes, it's been very quiet. I'm guessing that people have identified
/joined some other lists that are answering their questions.  

I joined WiseWomen and CSS-D, both of which generate email at an amazing
rate and are tough to keep up with but are good in terms of answers for
their specific focus.  

Does anyone else have lists that they rely on?


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Mark Groen
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 16:30 -0500, Cheryl D Wise wrote:

 .Microsoft Expression
 ..
 standards complaint out of the box (XHTML Transitional/CSS 2) that you could
 actually write a CSS Zen Garden layout without ever touching the code
 directly. I'm not saying that it would be a wonderful design but it would be
 design and standards compliant (the person I owe the beer to is a programmer
 - enough said.g)

Ouch, glad I know how to do more than just mark up html! Seems it means
that people doing start-ups like http://xhtmlized.com/ aren't going to
be around long?

Is it correct to assume the code is a just a little (not a lot) more
bloated than a hand crafted semantic page would be? In other words for
those optimizing markup for 100k+ views a day, they still would be
needed or do you think that the cheap bandwidth that's now available
will negate that too?

Anything you can add off the record about price and availability?

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/web_designer/fpwd_faq.mspx#q2

Me runs out to brush up on my mysql and php5 OOP skills now, guessing
this software is not exactly going to be cheap but still popular...

cheers,

Mark


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RE: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-19 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Want to see the code, take a look http://expressiondesigns.com that's my
site for testing EWD stuff for the book and class. That uses one of the
templates that ship with it with little more than the images changed. I
can't remember if I changed the characterset or left it at the default
utf-8.If I left it at utf-8 the stylesheet won't validate because the CSS
validator chokes on the BOM marks but if you past the css in the validator
to get past the BOM in the XHTML file (the HTML validator has no problem
with it other than a warning that some old browsers don't support it) then
it is valid. I think I added 3-4 classes that I normally use (floats and
clearing classes for those floats) but otherwise it is straight out of the
box.

I wouldn't worry too much about some of the newbies after all the owner of
http://actionsnacks.com has already decided that it is way to complicated
for her (warning there is sound onload if you go look at that site.) Pricing
is not yet known but the other web editor MS is releasing for the SharePoint
market (no SharePoint authoring tool thank god). The announced price for
that is $299 or $159 if they have a qualifying product.

While you can write a css zen garden with it you do still need to understand
CSS and browser to do a good job and while the templates are better than
anything Microsoft has done people will need customization and I expect
there are quite a few people who would still be interested in services like
those of http://xhtmlized.com/ because from what I've been seeing a lot of
FrontPage users want hand holding with CSS while they learn. If they want to
learn that is, not all do and I suspect there are quite a few who would be
happy to have their sites converted with a dwt provided.

Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
http://by-expression.com
Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com


-Original Message-
From: Mark Groen  

On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 16:30 -0500, Cheryl D Wise wrote:

 .Microsoft Expression

Ouch, glad I know how to do more than just mark up html! Seems it means
that people doing start-ups like http://xhtmlized.com/ aren't going to
be around long?

Is it correct to assume the code is a just a little (not a lot) more
bloated than a hand crafted semantic page would be? In other words for
those optimizing markup for 100k+ views a day, they still would be
needed or do you think that the cheap bandwidth that's now available
will negate that too?

Anything you can add off the record about price and availability?

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/web_designer/fpwd_faq.mspx#q
2

Me runs out to brush up on my mysql and php5 OOP skills now, guessing
this software is not exactly going to be cheap but still popular...


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-18 Thread Portman

Thanks Rudy. Aluminum siding? Hmm. That's an idea.  ;-)

Riva

r937 wrote:

all the web sites that could have been made, have been made

we've all packed up shop and changed professions

some of us went into aluminum siding, some into manga, and a couple have
gone into the shady business of setting up offshore casinos

DMOZ would be good, plus of course any directories that actually have
something to do with the subject matter at hand

no point in listing a surfing web site in a cooking directory, if you 
know

what i mean

so i would turn it back on the client and ask him, what directories 
are you

aware of that deal with your subject matter?

best way to find them is to actually try to find them -- via
google/yahoo/msn -- and if you have trouble finding a pertinent 
directory,

that should tell you something...

rudy


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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Groen
On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:31 -0400, Portman wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 The list has been quiet for a while - is anyone still out there?

yup! 

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