RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
If there is critical data I'd simply reinstall Windows so that the disk could be accessed and make a complete back-up or boot from a Linux distro CD that can read whatever format the disk is in and make a back-up from there whichever is easier for you. Cheryl D Wise MS MVP Expression - Author: Foundations of Microsoft Expression Web http://by-expression.com - win Expression Studio -see contest rules http://forum.by-expression.com/forums/ShowThread.aspx?PostID=1070#1070 Registration now open at http://starttoweb.com for January classes. -Original Message- From: Todd Richards On 2008/01/04 1:01 (GMT-0200) Felix Miata wrote: >No! Formatting is something you do to a partition, not to the physical >device. With W98 there's big likelihood that the problem is a boot sector >virus or a BIOS virus, neither of which standard formatting would affect. >Reinstalling might kill a boot sector virus, but it won't do anything about a >BIOS virus. >Bad assumptions can become expensive. First figure out what the problem is. >Get and burn an iso from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and boot from it to >diagnose what the problem actually is before trying to fix what ain't broke. >Once you know what the problem is, I suggest if she's going to use it for the >internet that you instead install an operating system capable of being >defended against malware, something that cannot reasonably be done any longer >with any version of WinDOS. And wasting time with the "near obvious" on a system for a family member can be, well, a waste of time. With a "missing operating system" message, there is a VERY strong chances that a) the hard drive is dead, b) it's about to die, or c) files are missing from the boot loader which won't allow it to boot. Yes, that could be from a virus, or even a corrupt file in Windows. If she said "this laptop contains all our important (fill in the blank) information that we cannot replace", then I might suggest she spend more time on it. However, I have beat a horse to death (figuratively speaking, of course - I love horses) trying to chase down a problem. And this is one that I probably wouldn't spend much time on. In this case, I would format the drive, try to reload Windows on the same drive. If it loads - great. If it doesn't, then I would get a new hard drive. Once you get it reloaded, protect yourself with some software in the event it was a virus that did this. No need to jump on the anti-Windows bandwagon at this point. After all, there is certainly no sign it was even a virus/malware that did this. I've been running Windows machines for some time now and have had no issues with malware. Anyway, this is OT and we are getting even further away... The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
At 01:30 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >In this case, I would format the drive, try to reload Windows on the same >drive. If it loads - great. If it doesn't, then I would get a new hard >drive. Once you get it reloaded, protect yourself with some software in the >event it was a virus that did this. I've successfully managed to reformat and reinstall Windows XP which is the original operating system it came with and put back on in the restore process :) It *seems* to be working but until I can install firewall and anti-virus and run it through Housecall or some other virus check it's still a bit iffy. I suppose the drive could be going but not gone yet so we'll see. Thank you all for your help, you save us $$$ at least the way it looks right now. I am getting one error message on boot: Media Check Failure - Check cable All that's plugged into it right now is the power cable. Any ideas what cable it might be talking about? ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
Deb: Is the laptop set up to boot from the CD because regardless of what's happened to the hard drive you shouldn't get this message if you're successfully booting from the CD. You'll need to get into the laptop's BIOS and change the boot settings (or boot priority) to fire off the CD-ROM first. If it does prove to be the hard drive then I'm not sure about $US but I'm sure it'll be worth getting a bigger drive than 30GB as even laptop drives are rapidly coming down in price. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
On 2008/01/04 1:01 (GMT-0200) Felix Miata wrote: >No! Formatting is something you do to a partition, not to the physical >device. With W98 there's big likelihood that the problem is a boot sector >virus or a BIOS virus, neither of which standard formatting would affect. >Reinstalling might kill a boot sector virus, but it won't do anything about a >BIOS virus. >Bad assumptions can become expensive. First figure out what the problem is. >Get and burn an iso from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and boot from it to >diagnose what the problem actually is before trying to fix what ain't broke. >Once you know what the problem is, I suggest if she's going to use it for the >internet that you instead install an operating system capable of being >defended against malware, something that cannot reasonably be done any longer >with any version of WinDOS. And wasting time with the "near obvious" on a system for a family member can be, well, a waste of time. With a "missing operating system" message, there is a VERY strong chances that a) the hard drive is dead, b) it's about to die, or c) files are missing from the boot loader which won't allow it to boot. Yes, that could be from a virus, or even a corrupt file in Windows. If she said "this laptop contains all our important (fill in the blank) information that we cannot replace", then I might suggest she spend more time on it. However, I have beat a horse to death (figuratively speaking, of course - I love horses) trying to chase down a problem. And this is one that I probably wouldn't spend much time on. In this case, I would format the drive, try to reload Windows on the same drive. If it loads - great. If it doesn't, then I would get a new hard drive. Once you get it reloaded, protect yourself with some software in the event it was a virus that did this. No need to jump on the anti-Windows bandwagon at this point. After all, there is certainly no sign it was even a virus/malware that did this. I've been running Windows machines for some time now and have had no issues with malware. Anyway, this is OT and we are getting even further away... Todd The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
On 2008/01/04 12:41 (GMT-0200) PBC Web Design apparently typed: > If I can get it booted up, then I'm going to > probably just reformat using the cd's that came > w/the system. I don't think there's anything > important on it but I'll ask her > first. Reformatting should rid the system of any virus, correct? No! Formatting is something you do to a partition, not to the physical device. With W98 there's big likelihood that the problem is a boot sector virus or a BIOS virus, neither of which standard formatting would affect. Reinstalling might kill a boot sector virus, but it won't do anything about a BIOS virus. Bad assumptions can become expensive. First figure out what the problem is. Get and burn an iso from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and boot from it to diagnose what the problem actually is before trying to fix what ain't broke. Once you know what the problem is, I suggest if she's going to use it for the internet that you instead install an operating system capable of being defended against malware, something that cannot reasonably be done any longer with any version of WinDOS. -- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
At 12:35 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >Usually hitting F12 during startup will allow you to boot from CD (or on >some systems choose what you want to boot from). I usually start tapping it >right when it finishes the memory test and is detecting the hard drives. >Hit it once or twice or three times - not a big deal. Well, this one goes directly (and very quickly!) from a Toshiba screen to "Missing Operating System" shortest boot from screen to screen I've ever seen! I'll have to be quick to say the least. >I agree with David on this. It's quite possible that your drive is fine. >If you don't care about the contents, then I would try to reload the OS. If >upon trying to reload you have problems/see errors, then you might consider >going with the replacement drive. If I can get it booted up, then I'm going to probably just reformat using the cd's that came w/the system. I don't think there's anything important on it but I'll ask her first. Reformatting should rid the system of any virus, correct? >As for the size of the drives, David already mentioned that increasing the >capacity doesn't increase the physical size. In fact, after giving you the >link to NewEgg.com, I found a nice 750GB drive. Hm ;) Eeeks! Overkill Overkill! LOL! Heck *I* don't even have a 750GB drive on my desktop! ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
At 11:36 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >Once you've selected the CD-ROM drive as a boot device (with a higher >priority than the hard drive) reboot with the recovery CD or a Windows >CD in the drive and see what happens (or, if you see an option for a >one-time boot menu when the machine is first starting, use that instead). Ok, Dave. I'll give it a try. Thank you! ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
Usually hitting F12 during startup will allow you to boot from CD (or on some systems choose what you want to boot from). I usually start tapping it right when it finishes the memory test and is detecting the hard drives. Hit it once or twice or three times - not a big deal. I agree with David on this. It's quite possible that your drive is fine. If you don't care about the contents, then I would try to reload the OS. If upon trying to reload you have problems/see errors, then you might consider going with the replacement drive. As for the size of the drives, David already mentioned that increasing the capacity doesn't increase the physical size. In fact, after giving you the link to NewEgg.com, I found a nice 750GB drive. Hm ;) Todd -Original Message- From: PBC Web Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:12 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive? At 10:40 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >Are you sure that the drive in the old machine is dead, though? The >"Missing Operating System" error doesn't necessarily mean that the hard >drive is dead, it could just be that the bootloader has been wiped (by a >virus, for example). > >When you tried booting from the recovery CD / Windows CD, you may have >to press a key at the appropriate time to boot from CD, or you may need >to enter the BIOS setup utility and configure it to boot from the CD >before attempting to boot from the hard drive. No, I'm not absolutely positive but I thought that's what it meant. I tried F8 to try to get into Safe Mode, no luck. Tried that both w/the recovery cd and the Win98 cd. She does think this was caused by a virus. Any idea what key I'd press? If I can get in what do I do then to find out about the bootloader? Does that just mean it switched on how it loads? ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
PBC Web Design wrote: > At 10:40 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >> Are you sure that the drive in the old machine is dead, though? The >> "Missing Operating System" error doesn't necessarily mean that the hard >> drive is dead, it could just be that the bootloader has been wiped (by a >> virus, for example). >> >> When you tried booting from the recovery CD / Windows CD, you may have >> to press a key at the appropriate time to boot from CD, or you may need >> to enter the BIOS setup utility and configure it to boot from the CD >> before attempting to boot from the hard drive. > > No, I'm not absolutely positive but I thought > that's what it meant. I tried F8 to try to get > into Safe Mode, no luck. Tried that both w/the > recovery cd and the Win98 cd. She does think > this was caused by a virus. Any idea what key > I'd press? If I can get in what do I do then to > find out about the bootloader? Does that just mean it switched on how it > loads? During a normal boot-up, the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System, the low-level software which brings the machine into life) does all sorts of BIOSy magic, then looks for some code to execute in order to start the operating system. This will be the bootloader on (one of) the system's hard drives normally, but can also be a bootable CD, or sometimes a bootable USB drive or a network card with a boot-from-network facility. Anyway, the error "Missing Operating System" simply means that the BIOS was unable to find anything to hand over control to, which could be because: - the drive has fully failed - the drive (possibly only the boot sector) has been wiped, by a virus or by someone playing with partititiong tools - someone has changed the list of boot devices in the BIOS. To get into the BIOS, you normally press the Delete key, or F2, or F1 shortly after turning the machine on. It will normally tell you on screen with a message like "Press Del to enter setup" or something similar. If you get into the BIOS, you should be able to find options to select which devices it should attempt to boot from and in which order. Some systems also have a "one-time" boot menu you can access in a similar way to the BIOS setup (pressing a specified key at the right time) in order to override the boot order. (My Dell Inspiron 1501 does this, and I think my older 1150 does too). Once you've selected the CD-ROM drive as a boot device (with a higher priority than the hard drive) reboot with the recovery CD or a Windows CD in the drive and see what happens (or, if you see an option for a one-time boot menu when the machine is first starting, use that instead). Good luck :) Cheers Dave P The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
At 10:40 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >Are you sure that the drive in the old machine is dead, though? The >"Missing Operating System" error doesn't necessarily mean that the hard >drive is dead, it could just be that the bootloader has been wiped (by a >virus, for example). > >When you tried booting from the recovery CD / Windows CD, you may have >to press a key at the appropriate time to boot from CD, or you may need >to enter the BIOS setup utility and configure it to boot from the CD >before attempting to boot from the hard drive. No, I'm not absolutely positive but I thought that's what it meant. I tried F8 to try to get into Safe Mode, no luck. Tried that both w/the recovery cd and the Win98 cd. She does think this was caused by a virus. Any idea what key I'd press? If I can get in what do I do then to find out about the bootloader? Does that just mean it switched on how it loads? ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
PBC Web Design wrote: > They don't do much on it. Some internet and word > processing. Can I get a bigger hard drive than > what's in it? Yes. > Wouldn't a larger > hard drive be bigger in physical size? There is > absolutely no more room in there for anything > bigger than what's in it now as far as physical size. No, hard drives all have standard physical dimensions. There's 3.5" drives for desktop machines, and 2.5" for laptops. Are you sure that the drive in the old machine is dead, though? The "Missing Operating System" error doesn't necessarily mean that the hard drive is dead, it could just be that the bootloader has been wiped (by a virus, for example). When you tried booting from the recovery CD / Windows CD, you may have to press a key at the appropriate time to boot from CD, or you may need to enter the BIOS setup utility and configure it to boot from the CD before attempting to boot from the hard drive. Cheers Dave P The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
At 09:57 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: >It depends on what she uses the laptop for. I upgraded my original laptop >from an 80GB to a 100GB. Now I would love to have something closer to 160GB >to 200GB. My point is that I think 30GB doesn't seem like very much. >Although if it's Windows 98, and she doesn't do much, then it's fine. They don't do much on it. Some internet and word processing. Can I get a bigger hard drive than what's in it? I've never done this before so I'm a bit on the dunce side here. Wouldn't a larger hard drive be bigger in physical size? There is absolutely no more room in there for anything bigger than what's in it now as far as physical size. ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive?
Hi Deb - It depends on what she uses the laptop for. I upgraded my original laptop from an 80GB to a 100GB. Now I would love to have something closer to 160GB to 200GB. My point is that I think 30GB doesn't seem like very much. Although if it's Windows 98, and she doesn't do much, then it's fine. That said, I love shopping on NewEgg.com. Here is a list of laptop drives that they have available: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=380&name=Laptop-Har d-Drives Toshiba 60GB drive for $46 Western Digital 120GB for $69 Todd -Original Message- From: PBC Web Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:43 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: [wdvltalk] OT: is this a good price on a hard drive? Hi there, My daughter's laptop's hard drive is shot it looks like. "Missing Operating System" is all I can get it to do. Have tried inserting the recovery cd and a Win98SE cd - same message. I opened it up and pulled the drive and reseated it twice - just in case it had come loose. No luck. I'm wondering if this is a good price and place to purchase her a new drive: http://www.drivesolutions.com/cgi-bin/shop/ug2store.cgi?command=listitems&ki nd=tol&pos=0&type=itemid&itemid=tol816 $55 for the 30GB drive. Never had to buy one before so I don't have a clue. Thanks for your help. ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
