Re: Mailing software
Hi Anjo, I don't understand very well what are u looking for, but may be a thing like this ? http://downloads.insigno.net/Amedeo/MailingList.pdf Regards Amedeo On 11/feb/2011, at 13.51, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/amedeomailing%40insigno.it This email sent to amedeomail...@insigno.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
We are sending emails via gmail using 10 seconds delay. Works yet. 2011/2/11 Miguel Arroz ar...@guiamac.com: Hey Anjo, In essence, you have to throttle down the mail sending rate. Services like GMail and others will block your IP temporarily if they see a burst of emails coming from it to them. Regards, Miguel Arroz On 2011/02/11, at 12:51, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/arroz%40guiamac.com This email sent to ar...@guiamac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/genkush%40rujel.net This email sent to genk...@rujel.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Mailing software
Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon! I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS. Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed with all their integrated cloud services. Regards James On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
We evaluated MailChimp and it was working great in our evaluation. Before that, I had a Perl script that was sending individual emails, and I found out that I have to put a 5 seconds delay between each email sent or else some SMTP server would throttle delivery or even reject emails. For non-personalized emails, I was using a mailing list in CommuniGate Pro, I found that by using a mailing list, delivery is done much faster, but you do loose personalization. But no matter which solution you use, you make to make sure your email database is clean of outdated email addresses. For example, Bell Sympatico here will reject any new mails if they found that more than 10% of previous deliveries you did for a specific day was for non existent addresses. Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
That one looks nice. Although I don't quite understand? Are they selling that as a service or what do you get? From the URLs it looks like ruby, can you customize it? Cheers, Anjo Am 11.02.2011 um 14:03 schrieb James Cicenia: i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon! I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS. Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed with all their integrated cloud services. Regards James On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
Octeth is using basic LAMP stack. You buy a license and can then do whatever you like with no other charges. Amazon.. well.. I haven't made the move yet... but will.. so I really can't say when. Their pricing is very inexpensive compared to some of the more traditional services... constantcontact, mailchimp, etc. And they have an API which might make it really nice to integrate directly with WO. Regards James On Feb 11, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: That one looks nice. Although I don't quite understand? Are they selling that as a service or what do you get? From the URLs it looks like ruby, can you customize it? Cheers, Anjo Am 11.02.2011 um 14:03 schrieb James Cicenia: i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon! I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS. Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed with all their integrated cloud services. Regards James On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
Mailchimp looks nice too and they have neat guides on their Site. But the per-customer or per-email fee will make it too expensive. And I'd first need to weed out our email accounts... The suggestion to wait is good. Maybe I'll also sort on domains and the interleave them into a queue. This should maximize the amount of time spent. Cheers, Anjo Am 11.02.2011 um 14:42 schrieb Pascal Robert: We evaluated MailChimp and it was working great in our evaluation. Before that, I had a Perl script that was sending individual emails, and I found out that I have to put a 5 seconds delay between each email sent or else some SMTP server would throttle delivery or even reject emails. For non-personalized emails, I was using a mailing list in CommuniGate Pro, I found that by using a mailing list, delivery is done much faster, but you do loose personalization. But no matter which solution you use, you make to make sure your email database is clean of outdated email addresses. For example, Bell Sympatico here will reject any new mails if they found that more than 10% of previous deliveries you did for a specific day was for non existent addresses. Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
We have an email broadcast tool built into one of our apps. Currently we use two relay servers on our network for broadcasting. Some ISPs allow you to register your server with them (AOL for example), then your emails get through. If a user tags it as junk vs. unsubscribing, you get an email alert (so you can click the unsubscribe link for them). We would like to upgrade the feature (with an attempt to get more email through and not deal with being tagged as a junk producer), and our thought was to ask the client to include email credentials for an account on their server for sending out their emails. This will probably produce another set of issues: their server is down; their server can't handle the load; or, they may have similar trouble dealing with their own junk/spam notices from their users. -G On Feb 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/george%40boxofficetickets.com This email sent to geo...@boxofficetickets.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software
Hey Anjo, In essence, you have to throttle down the mail sending rate. Services like GMail and others will block your IP temporarily if they see a burst of emails coming from it to them. Regards, Miguel Arroz On 2011/02/11, at 12:51, Anjo Krank wrote: Hi, has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with? I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there... Cheers, Anjo ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/arroz%40guiamac.com This email sent to ar...@guiamac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Mailing software (Anjo Krank)
Hi Anjo, You may know some of this or all of this but here is my notes to minimize email rejection. p.s. I work with Kieran Kelleher. First things first, your mail server must be setup correctly otherwise your mail will not get delivered to any of the top ISP's (AOL, Yahoo,etc). Mail Server / DNS configuration: a) If you are running your own mail server you must have the following. 1) Fully qualified domain name setup on your SMTP mail server so it announces itself in the HELO handshake as the FQDN. smtpout.example.com 2) An A record for smtpout.example.com - A host (A) record maps a hostname to an IP address. 3) PTR Record for Reverse DNS for each sending IP (This is usually done by your ISP) - Maps a IP addresses to host name ISP's like AOL use this to validate your mail server name and IP address match. 66.22.11.65 smtpout.example.com http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/reverse_dns.html 4) SPF Record setup in your DNS http://www.openspf.org/ http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/What_is_SPF 5) DomainKeys or DKIM (Required by Yahoo for feedback loop) http://dkim.org/ b) If you are using your ISP's mail server to send mail, you will only need to add and SPF record. Feedback Loops: Other things I do is sign up for feedback loops. If you are using your ISP's email server you are out of luck. Note: Your mail server must be configured correctly with above settings before you sign up or you will be rejected Feedback Loops - when people report or flag you as spam, you get notified so you can remove from you mailing list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_Loop_(email) * Yahoo! http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/index.php (requires DomainKeys or DKIM) * USA.NET http://fbl.usa.net/ * AOL http://www.postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.FeedbackLoop.html * Hotmail https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsjmrpppage=support_home_options_form_byemailct=eformtsscrx=1 * United Online http://www.unitedonline.net/postmaster/whitelisted.html * Comcast http://feedback.comcast.net/ * RoadRunner http://feedback.postmaster.rr.com/ * Bluetie http://feedback.bluetie.com/ * OpenSRS/Tucows http://fbl.hostedemail.com/ * Cox http://fbl.cox.net/ * Rackspace http://fbl.apps.rackspace.com/ You need a way for people to opt-out of your email, even if this is communication to your customers. Bounce Processing: Tools I use for email and bounce processing: BounceStudio™ Enterprise (Windows) http://www.boogietools.com/ It reads pop accounts and processes bounces (See MyBounce Rules.txt) Raw data is dumped to mysql for other actions and includes bounce type code I have rules setup if a bounce type for an email address hit a threshold, I opt them out. Email software: Campaign Enterprise Arial Software - Windows only http://www.arialsoftware.com/ In house software JavaMail /Other Reference: I use a few sites to check how I'm doing. If you are not sending a lot of bulk mail, you may not have any history. Like your credit score on the internet. https://www.senderscore.org/ Rate Monitoring http://www.mxrate.com/lookup/ipNF.asp Black List checking www.mxtoolbox.com Email Marketing Tips - Good website for email marketers http://www.b2bemailmarketing.com/ IP Reputation http://www.linuxmagic.com/power_of_ip_reputation.html Messaging Anti-Abuse Working Group's Senders Best Communications Practices Version 2.0 http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Senders_BCP_Ver2.pdf Bounce Codes Now Collected in One Location http://www.b2bemailmarketing.com/2009/08/bounce-codes-now-collected-in-one-location.html On Feb 11, 2011, at 09:42 AM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: Send Webobjects-dev mailing list submissions to webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com You can reach the person managing the list at webobjects-dev-ow...@lists.apple.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Webobjects-dev digest... Today's Topics: 1. Mailing software (Anjo Krank) 2. Re: Mailing software (James Cicenia) 3. Re: Mailing software (Pascal Robert) 4. Re: Job Opportunities (Antonio Petri) 5. Re: Mailing software (Anjo Krank) 6. Re: Job Opportunities (Pascal Robert) 7. Re: Job Opportunities (Anjo Krank) 8. Re: Job Opportunities (Mike Schrag) 9. Re: Mailing software (James Cicenia) 10. Re: Mailing software (Anjo Krank) 11. Re: submit button errors on deployment (Kieran Kelleher
