Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Q]

On 10/05/2008, at 2:45 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello Q;

I followed the instructions you provided to install WebObjects on  
windows, with the latest nightly build.  When I create a new project  
there are no frameworks in the build path.  All the environment  
variables have been set correctly.  The WebObjects Update 5.3.3 does  
not contain all of the Frameworks needed to build an application.   
JavaFoundation.framework is not installed.


The update includes the entire runtime, JavaFoundation is most  
certainly there. It should be in c:\apple\Library\Frameworks after you  
extract and follow my instructions below.


I have also noticed that every time you go back into Eclipse  
wobuild.properties and %USERPROFILE%\Library are recreated.


This is what is supposed to happen, you only need to delete it, if it  
exists, the first time, not every time. The only reason for deleting  
it is in case there is already one there from a previous attempt with  
incorrect paths. If you have never used wolips before you can skip  
that step.


   I modified the wobuild.properties and corrected the paths in the  
file, after the 3rd time it was recreated.


That's my fault. I missed out a step that I don't normally need to do  
manually and had forgotten about.

You need to invert the Local and System branches by doing the following:
make C:\apple\Local
move C:\apple\Library to C:\apple\Local\Library
move C:\apple\System\Library to C:\apple\Library
remove C:\apple\System

If you need to edit wobuild.properties something is not setup  
correctly. WOLips should recreate the file with the correct values  
when using this setup.


Then Frameworks showed in the build path.  But only under system  
(there are no frameworks installed in the Library directory for  
local).


That's correct there shouldn't be any frameworks under local yet.  
That's where you would install wonder, etc.





Don
On May 9, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Q wrote:



On 10/05/2008, at 3:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the  
resources directory.




Mike is correct, It's fixed in the nightlies, so if you use  
windows, use nightly or you will have to suffer this bug until  
there is another stable release.




Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on  
Windows.  You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/ 
etc/** to Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Hello Q;

I followed the instructions you provided to install WebObjects on  
windows, with the latest nightly build.  When I create a new project  
there are no frameworks in the build path.  All the environment  
variables have been set correctly.  The WebObjects Update 5.3.3 does  
not contain all of the Frameworks needed to build an application.   
JavaFoundation.framework is not installed.


I have also noticed that every time you go back into Eclipse  
wobuild.properties and %USERPROFILE%\Library are recreated.I  
modified the wobuild.properties and corrected the paths in the file,  
after the 3rd time it was recreated.  Then Frameworks showed in the  
build path.  But only under system (there are no frameworks installed  
in the Library directory for local).


Don
On May 9, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Q wrote:



On 10/05/2008, at 3:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the resources  
directory.




Mike is correct, It's fixed in the nightlies, so if you use windows,  
use nightly or you will have to suffer this bug until there is  
another stable release.




Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.   
You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to  
Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Hello Q;

>


Tutorials should be understandable by the lowest common denominator,  
from a person who has never used Eclipse to a seasoned programmer.   
Never assume someone should know something or it is going to bite you.


>


Recommending that user use a beta build of a product to become  
familiar with using the product is a recipe for disaster.  Nightly  
builds are beta builds at best, alpha at worst.  I have seen many  
times on the list an email from someone who installed a nightly build  
only to be bitten by a different undocumented bug.


>


I will look into this.  If this is indeed a valid way to install for  
windows I would ask that you write a how-to in the WebObjects WIKI.


>


While this should be true in theory, it is not in practice.  I agree  
whole heartedly, it should work on any platform (Linux, BSD, OS X,  
Windows, etc) out of the box.  There should be installs for each  
Operating system or at the very least each type (UNIX, Windows, etc).   
But this is not the case.


Did you try and install WOLips using the tutorial instructions?  If  
you did, did it produce the correct results?  Were you able to run  
WebObjects after following the tutorial?  I believe the point of the  
tutorial is to get people up and running, I believe it accomplishes  
that goal.


Don


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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Q]

Ok, I watched it, and I have some constructive criticism.

Most of the annotations are just stating the obvious and are  
unnecessary, clicks already have audio cue's. You should only need to  
annotate right clicks, explanations of why you are doing something or  
keyboard shortcuts.


Recommending the user messes with the patternsets to (partially) work  
around a bug that has already been fixed in the nightly builds is bad  
advice, especially for a tutorial that will be watched at some time  
the future when this is no longer necessary. It would be better to  
explain that there was a bug at the time of writing in stable, and you  
are using nightly to resolve it. State the build number you are using  
and say that any stable build after that is fine to use.


It is my experience that even with the altered patternsets, this issue  
will eventually bite beginners in other ways in the general course of  
development.


From an eclipse point of view there shouldn't be any need to have  
different tutorials between different platforms, everything in eclipse  
should work the same on all platforms without any special instruction.  
If this isn't the case, then it is possibly a bug that needs to be  
filed in jira.


Here is what I would do for installing 5.3 on windows without needing  
5.2:


1. Extract the entire contents of the WebObjects Runtime, and put it  
under C:\apple


  Rather than leave this as an exercise to the reader you can do this  
like so:

  1.1 Download 
http://supportdownload.apple.com/download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/Mac_OS_X/downloads/061-2998.20070215.33woU/WebObjects5.3.3Update.dmg
  1.2 Download http://archon.name/files/bin/dd-0.3.zip
  1.3 Download http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/downlinks/cpio.php
  1.4 Extract WebObjectsRuntime.pax.gz:
  dd if=WebObjects5.3.3Update.dmg bs=0x1000 skip=0xb12  
of=WebObjects.pax.gz
  (unzip Webobjects.pax.gz using 7zip or similar into c:\apple 
\WebObjects.pax)

  from C:\apple run: cpio --extract < WebObjects.pax
  remove WebObjects.pax
(You should only ever need to do this once, after that you can zip up  
C:\apple and copy it wherever you need it)


2. Set the windows environment variables like so:
   NEXT_ROOT = C:\apple
   NEXT_LOCAL_ROOT = C:\apple
   NEXT_SYSTEM_ROOT = C:\apple\System

3. Delete any existing ~\Library\wobuild.properties

4. Install and run wolips (currently nightly).

5. That is all.

This doesn't address using IIS or wotaskd, but it is sufficient for  
developing in direct connect mode and doesn't require that 5.2 was  
ever installed on the machine.


On 10/05/2008, at 4:17 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:

I have uploaded the "final" version of the tutorial.  This version  
contains spelling fixes, and is prettied up a bit.  No real steps or  
content changes were made.


http://web.mac.com/pccdonl




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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

I have no problem changing the tutorial to specify nightly.

I believe, we need to be consistent in all of the documentation how- 
to's and tutorials.  If we are not consistent beginning users of  
WOLips are going to get confused and then ask questions on the list  
about installation.


The best way to get people to adopt a product is to have good  
documentation and tutorials.  Get them started fast and get them  
hooked by the great product that WebObjects and WOLips is.


To that end I have attempted to create tutorials that use a stable  
configuration, even if there are  a couple of known bugs with it.
Once a user gets familiar with the product, going to nightly builds is  
an easy thing.  But I think we need to keep the experience as standard  
as possible to get them started.


Does my rational make sense?

Don


On May 9, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Q wrote:



On 10/05/2008, at 3:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the resources  
directory.




Mike is correct, It's fixed in the nightlies, so if you use windows,  
use nightly or you will have to suffer this bug until there is  
another stable release.




Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.   
You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to  
Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Q]

On 10/05/2008, at 3:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the resources  
directory.




Mike is correct, It's fixed in the nightlies, so if you use windows,  
use nightly or you will have to suffer this bug until there is another  
stable release.




Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.   
You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to  
Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Mike Schrag]

Using stable, I would not recommend to people to use the nightly as  
there may be other issues they will run into.

OK ... I'm pretty sure that problem is fixed in the nightly.

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

I have uploaded the "final" version of the tutorial.  This version  
contains spelling fixes, and is prettied up a bit.  No real steps or  
content changes were made.


http://web.mac.com/pccdonl

Don
On May 9, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:

Using stable, I would not recommend to people to use the nightly as  
there may be other issues they will run into.


Don
On May 9, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:



Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the  
resources directory.

Are you using stable or nightly of WOLips?

ms
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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Using stable, I would not recommend to people to use the nightly as  
there may be other issues they will run into.


Don
On May 9, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:



Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the resources  
directory.

Are you using stable or nightly of WOLips?

ms
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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Mike Schrag]

Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.
If you do not modify the resources and wsresources include  
patternset files your components do not get copied to the resources  
directory.

Are you using stable or nightly of WOLips?

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

These types of things are so easy to miss. :)

Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

And if course I looked at it 10 times and could not see it! ... and  
the tutorial video was correct too!


That was it. Works now.

Thanks,

Kieran

On May 9, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:


ah ok .. the variable is "wo.wolocalroot" not "wo.localroot".


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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Hello Mike;

# 1 is not fixed, I ran into it while I was making the tutorial.   If  
you do not modify the resources and wsresources include patternset  
files your components do not get copied to the resources directory.


Don
On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.   
You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to  
Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

When I attempted to do it without the \: for the colon my install did  
not work.  What version of windows, java, and eclipse are you using?   
Also, I am running 5.4.2 of webobjects.


Don
On May 9, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Pretty sure you should not be escaping the colon ... When I setup a  
Windows install, i did NOT use that syntax.


On May 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:


Hi Don,

I followed your tutorial only deviating to use the nightly wolips  
instead of stable.


It seems wolips is not picking up the webobjects paths.

I put wobuild.properties at:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties

and its contents are:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C\:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C\:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C\:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C\:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C\:/Apple
eclipse.home=C\:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C\:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

When I create a WO project, I get these errors in eclipse:

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin 
.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java:171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.jdt.ant.UpdateIncludeFiles.(UpdateIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.ant 
.UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles 
.(UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.listener 
.UpdateIncludeFilesJob.runInWorkspace(UpdateIncludeFilesJob.java:88)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java:38)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin 
.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java:171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java: 
259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.model.ClasspathModel.getFrameworkWithName(ClasspathModel.java:91)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer 
.convertOldClasspathContainer(ContainerInitializer.java:180)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer.initialize(ContainerInitializer.java:163)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeContainer(JavaModelManager.java: 
2220)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaModelManager 
$9.run(JavaModelManager.java:2150)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core 
.JavaModelManager.initializeAllContainers(JavaModelManager.java:2164)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.getClasspathContainer(JavaModelManager.java: 
1544)
at  
org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.getClasspathContainer(JavaCore.java: 
1571)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.resolveClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
2558)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal.core.JavaProject.getResolvedClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
1848)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.DeltaProcessor.createExternalArchiveDelta(DeltaProcessor.java: 
802)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal.core.DeltaProcessor.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessor.java: 
1897)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core 
.DeltaProcessingState.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessingState.java:368)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.NotificationManager 
$2.run(NotificationManager.java:282)

at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:37)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.events.NotificationManager.notify(NotificationManager.java:276)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.events 
.NotificationManager.broadcastChanges(NotificationManager.java:148)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal.resources.Workspace.broadcastPostChange(Workspace.java:311)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core.internal.resources.Workspace.endOperation(Workspace.java:1018)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java:45)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)


On May 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing  
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the  
tutorial at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Kieran Kelleher]

And if course I looked at it 10 times and could not see it! ... and  
the tutorial video was correct too!


That was it. Works now.

Thanks,

Kieran

On May 9, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:


ah ok .. the variable is "wo.wolocalroot" not "wo.localroot".


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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Mike Schrag]

1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.   
You can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to  
Components/*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true

I believe #1 and #3 have since been fixed ...

ms

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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Mike Schrag]

ah ok .. the variable is "wo.wolocalroot" not "wo.localroot".

i actually posted an email a while back with what I did to setup  
Windows.  These are from January, so slightly dated, but should be  
close:


"I can't remember if I posted these or not, but these are the  
instructions I put together at a client's last month:


1) Create the structure:
C:\Apple
C:\Apple\Local\Library\Frameworks (equivalent to /Library/Frameworks  
on the Mac)
C:\Apple\Library\Frameworks (equivalent to /System/Library/Frameworks  
on the Mac)


2) Copy all the frameworks from /System/Library/Frameworks on a Mac  
that are named Java* except for JavaScriptCore and JavaVM to C:\Apple 
\Library\Frameworks


3) If you copied a 5.2, you will need to put a Windows License.key in  
JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources.  If you copied a 5.3, I think it's  
a universal license key.


4) Create a wobuild.properties file in C:\Documents and Settings\user>\Library with the contents:

wo.woroot=C:/Apple
wo.wolocalroot=C:/Apple/Local
wo.wosystemroot=C:/Apple
wo.homeroot=C:/Temp
eclipse.home=C:/Programs Files/eclipse
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C:/Apple/Library/Frameworks

5) Install eclipse 3.3.1.1

6) Install WOLips nightly from http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wolips/nightly


That should be it, I think?  The things that are problematic right now  
on Windows:
1) The woproject/*.patternset don't work quite right on Windows.  You  
can work around it by converting Components/**/*/etc/** to Components/ 
*, same w/ Resources and WebServerResources

2) Couple images have backgrounds that should not
3) Outline view in component editor is not right
4) AutoOpenInBrowser doesn't work unless you override  
Application._isSupportedDevelopmentPlatform to return true


I THINK that was it, but there might have been a couple other misc  
items.


ms"

ms

On May 9, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

Syntax fixed. Also replaced all wo frameworks with 5.3.3 from Mac  
side.


If I create a project, I get error as shown.

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java:259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.model.ClasspathModel.getFrameworkWithName(ClasspathModel.java:91)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer 
.convertOldClasspathContainer(ContainerInitializer.java:180)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath.ContainerInitializer.initialize(ContainerInitializer.java: 
163)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeContainer(JavaModelManager.java:2220)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaModelManager 
$9.run(JavaModelManager.java:2150)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.resources.Workspace.run(Workspace.java: 
1797)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeAllContainers(JavaModelManager.java: 
2166)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.getClasspathContainer(JavaModelManager.java: 
1544)
at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.getClasspathContainer(JavaCore.java: 
1571)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.resolveClasspath(JavaProject.java:2558)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.getResolvedClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
1848)
at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.initializeAfterLoad(JavaCore.java: 
3254)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.InitializeAfterLoadJob 
$RealJob.run(InitializeAfterLoadJob.java:35)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)


My wobuild.properties contents is:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C:/Apple
eclipse.home=C:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

Does this look right? Any way to check what WOLips is "seeing"? Can  
someone send a copy of a working wobuild.properties please?


Also is mine in the right place and named properly?
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties


On May 9, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Pretty sure you should not be escaping the colon ... When I setup a  
Windows install, i did NOT use that syntax.


On May 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:


Hi Don,

I followed your tutorial only deviating to use the nightly wolips  
instead of stable.


It seems wolips is not picking up the webobjects paths.

I put wobuild.properties at:

Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Kieran Kelleher]

Syntax fixed. Also replaced all wo frameworks with 5.3.3 from Mac side.

If I create a project, I get error as shown.

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java:178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java:259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.model.ClasspathModel.getFrameworkWithName(ClasspathModel.java:91)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer 
.convertOldClasspathContainer(ContainerInitializer.java:180)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath.ContainerInitializer.initialize(ContainerInitializer.java: 
163)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeContainer(JavaModelManager.java:2220)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaModelManager 
$9.run(JavaModelManager.java:2150)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.resources.Workspace.run(Workspace.java: 
1797)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeAllContainers(JavaModelManager.java: 
2166)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.getClasspathContainer(JavaModelManager.java:1544)
at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.getClasspathContainer(JavaCore.java: 
1571)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.resolveClasspath(JavaProject.java:2558)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.getResolvedClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
1848)

at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.initializeAfterLoad(JavaCore.java:3254)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.InitializeAfterLoadJob 
$RealJob.run(InitializeAfterLoadJob.java:35)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)


My wobuild.properties contents is:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C:/Apple
eclipse.home=C:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

Does this look right? Any way to check what WOLips is "seeing"? Can  
someone send a copy of a working wobuild.properties please?


Also is mine in the right place and named properly?
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties


On May 9, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Pretty sure you should not be escaping the colon ... When I setup a  
Windows install, i did NOT use that syntax.


On May 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:


Hi Don,

I followed your tutorial only deviating to use the nightly wolips  
instead of stable.


It seems wolips is not picking up the webobjects paths.

I put wobuild.properties at:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties

and its contents are:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C\:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C\:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C\:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C\:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C\:/Apple
eclipse.home=C\:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C\:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

When I create a WO project, I get these errors in eclipse:

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin 
.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java:171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.jdt.ant.UpdateIncludeFiles.(UpdateIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.ant 
.UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles 
.(UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.listener 
.UpdateIncludeFilesJob.runInWorkspace(UpdateIncludeFilesJob.java:88)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java:38)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin 
.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java:171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java: 
259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.o

Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Hello;

Drop the index.htm off the end.   Go to http://web.mac.com/pccdonl

Don
On May 9, 2008, at 4:23 AM, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:


Hi

Followed on url, the page is not available.  Any reason?

Cheers

Cheong Hee



Message: 8
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 03:43:52 -0400
From: Don Lindsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WO Tutorials install on windows
To: Development WebObjects 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial  
at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don





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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Mike Schrag]

Pretty sure you should not be escaping the colon ... When I setup a  
Windows install, i did NOT use that syntax.


On May 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:


Hi Don,

I followed your tutorial only deviating to use the nightly wolips  
instead of stable.


It seems wolips is not picking up the webobjects paths.

I put wobuild.properties at:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties

and its contents are:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C\:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C\:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C\:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C\:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C\:/Apple
eclipse.home=C\:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C\:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

When I create a WO project, I get these errors in eclipse:

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.jdt.ant.UpdateIncludeFiles.(UpdateIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.ant 
.UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles 
.(UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.listener 
.UpdateIncludeFilesJob.runInWorkspace(UpdateIncludeFilesJob.java:88)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java:38)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java: 
178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java:259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.model.ClasspathModel.getFrameworkWithName(ClasspathModel.java:91)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer 
.convertOldClasspathContainer(ContainerInitializer.java:180)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath.ContainerInitializer.initialize(ContainerInitializer.java: 
163)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeContainer(JavaModelManager.java:2220)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaModelManager 
$9.run(JavaModelManager.java:2150)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeAllContainers(JavaModelManager.java: 
2164)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.getClasspathContainer(JavaModelManager.java: 
1544)
at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.getClasspathContainer(JavaCore.java: 
1571)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.resolveClasspath(JavaProject.java:2558)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.getResolvedClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
1848)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.DeltaProcessor.createExternalArchiveDelta(DeltaProcessor.java: 
802)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal.core.DeltaProcessor.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessor.java: 
1897)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.DeltaProcessingState.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessingState.java: 
368)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.NotificationManager 
$2.run(NotificationManager.java:282)

at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:37)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal.events.NotificationManager.notify(NotificationManager.java: 
276)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.events 
.NotificationManager.broadcastChanges(NotificationManager.java:148)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal.resources.Workspace.broadcastPostChange(Workspace.java:311)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core.internal.resources.Workspace.endOperation(Workspace.java:1018)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java:45)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)


On May 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing  
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial  
at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Kieran Kelleher]

Hi Don,

I followed your tutorial only deviating to use the nightly wolips  
instead of stable.


It seems wolips is not picking up the webobjects paths.

I put wobuild.properties at:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Library\wobuild.properties

and its contents are:

#This file stores wo properties
#Fri May 9, 2008
wo.wosystemroot=C\:/Apple
wo.dir.library.frameworks=C\:/Apple/Library/Frameworks
wo.dir.library=C\:/Apple/Library
wo.localroot=C\:/Apple/Local
wo.woroot=C\:/Apple
eclipse.home=C\:/Apple/eclipse
wo.homeroot=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects
wo.dir.reference.api=C\:/Apple/Developer/Documentation/WebObjects/ 
Reference/API/

wo.dir.installdir=C\:/Apple/Library/WebObjects/Applications

When I create a WO project, I get these errors in eclipse:

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java:178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.jdt.ant.UpdateIncludeFiles.(UpdateIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.ant 
.UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles 
.(UpdateOtherClasspathIncludeFiles.java:83)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.listener 
.UpdateIncludeFilesJob.runInWorkspace(UpdateIncludeFilesJob.java:88)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java: 
38)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)

java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.Path.(Path.java:152)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables 
.VariablesPlugin.fixMissingSeparatorAfterDevice(VariablesPlugin.java: 
171)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips.variables.VariablesPlugin.getLocalRoot(VariablesPlugin.java:178)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.variables.VariablesPlugin.getFrameworkRoots(VariablesPlugin.java:259)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt.classpath.model.ClasspathModel.getRoots(ClasspathModel.java:77)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.model.ClasspathModel.getFrameworkWithName(ClasspathModel.java:91)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath 
.ContainerInitializer 
.convertOldClasspathContainer(ContainerInitializer.java:180)
at  
org 
.objectstyle 
.wolips 
.jdt 
.classpath.ContainerInitializer.initialize(ContainerInitializer.java: 
163)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeContainer(JavaModelManager.java:2220)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaModelManager 
$9.run(JavaModelManager.java:2150)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.initializeAllContainers(JavaModelManager.java: 
2164)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.JavaModelManager.getClasspathContainer(JavaModelManager.java:1544)
at org.eclipse.jdt.core.JavaCore.getClasspathContainer(JavaCore.java: 
1571)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.resolveClasspath(JavaProject.java:2558)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.JavaProject.getResolvedClasspath(JavaProject.java: 
1848)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.DeltaProcessor.createExternalArchiveDelta(DeltaProcessor.java:802)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt.internal.core.DeltaProcessor.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessor.java: 
1897)
at  
org 
.eclipse 
.jdt 
.internal 
.core.DeltaProcessingState.resourceChanged(DeltaProcessingState.java: 
368)
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$2.run(NotificationManager.java:282)

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org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal.events.NotificationManager.notify(NotificationManager.java: 
276)
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org 
.eclipse 
.core 
.internal 
.events.NotificationManager.broadcastChanges(NotificationManager.java: 
148)
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org 
.eclipse 
.core.internal.resources.Workspace.broadcastPostChange(Workspace.java: 
311)
at  
org 
.eclipse.core.internal.resources.Workspace.endOperation(Workspace.java: 
1018)
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org 
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.internal.resources.InternalWorkspaceJob.run(InternalWorkspaceJob.java: 
45)

at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55)


On May 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing  
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial  
at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Pascal Robert]

Missing a 'l' after .htm (.html instead of .htm)


Hi

Followed on url, the page is not available.  Any reason?

Cheers

Cheong Hee



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Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial  
at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don





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Re: WO Tutorials install on windows

[Cheong Hee (Datasonic)]

Hi

Followed on url, the page is not available.  Any reason?

Cheers

Cheong Hee



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Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial at 
http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

Don





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WO Tutorials install on windows

[Don Lindsay]

Hello;

I have completed a draft of a install tutorial for installing  
WebObjects and WOLips on Windows.  Feel free to review the tutorial at http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.htm


Thanks,

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Oliver Scheel]

And I thought you have solved the probelms ;-) That is the reason why  
I had to switch WO development to Mac a couple of months ago, too.  
Though I am a real Mac user since 10 years, I never developed with WO  
on a Mac (and never really used Project Builder for WO) ;-)


Strange, but true.

OK, to solve the problem, we have to wait perhaps on Apple to get a  
supported only on a Mac but could run on Windows (or Linux) "tar" ;-)


Oliver

Am 07.05.2008 um 19:54 schrieb Don Lindsay:

Wow, if you can provide the steps on how to do it I will create a  
tutorial.   I am still having trouble with my windows machine  
running apps in eclipse.  I do all of my development on a Mac  
normally, however I could not find a program that was as good as  
Adobe Captivate that ran on the mac.


Don
On May 7, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Oliver Scheel wrote:

I see it's captured under Windows. Suggestion for the next  
tutorial: How to get WO 5.3 on Windows in three steps (only the  
stuff that is needed for basic Development, no wotaskd, no  
monitor) ;-)


Oliver

Am 07.05.2008 um 06:20 schrieb Don Lindsay:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials

[Jeremy Matthews]

Guess I should forget about creating an installer for other platforms,  
eh?


:)

---
Wow, if you can provide the steps on how to do it I will create a
tutorial.   I am still having trouble with my windows machine running
apps in eclipse.  I do all of my development on a Mac normally,
however I could not find a program that was as good as Adobe Captivate
that ran on the mac.

Don

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Pascal Robert]

If you are on Leopard, try Screenflow.  This is what Mike and David  
are using.


Does Captivate can export to Flash with the MP4 codec ?  It would  
allow us to put your podcasts in the iTunes feeds and on the  
wocommunity.org site with the other podcasts.


Wow, if you can provide the steps on how to do it I will create a  
tutorial.   I am still having trouble with my windows machine  
running apps in eclipse.  I do all of my development on a Mac  
normally, however I could not find a program that was as good as  
Adobe Captivate that ran on the mac.


Don
On May 7, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Oliver Scheel wrote:

I see it's captured under Windows. Suggestion for the next  
tutorial: How to get WO 5.3 on Windows in three steps (only the  
stuff that is needed for basic Development, no wotaskd, no  
monitor) ;-)


Oliver

Am 07.05.2008 um 06:20 schrieb Don Lindsay:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don


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Re: WO Tutorials

[Chuck Hill]

My one comment would be to avoid the glitzy effects like the swirling  
text instructions at the start.  I found them more annoying than  
anything.


Chuck

On May 7, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

I wanted to create a sample tutorial first to ensure I was on  
track.  I was then gong to create:


How to Install WOLips
How to Install the runtime on Windows
Creating a first WO Application (worldhello) W/O EO Model Static  
content
Creating a first WO Application (worldhello1) W/O EO Model Dynamic  
content
Creating a first WO Application (worldhello2) W EO Model Dynamic  
content

Working with EO Models
Working with EO Models primary keys
Working with EO Models foreign keys (relationship)
Working with EO Models procedures
Creating a first WO Framework
Working with Custom Components and Bindings
Working with WO Repitition

These were the items I was going to start with.  We could then  
continue on and add other tutorials for Wonder and D2W.  I did not  
want to go into too much detail on how to use Eclipse.  I believe  
instructions on using eclipse (such as compiling, cleaning, running  
updates, installing, etc) is better served by the Eclipse team.


Don

On May 7, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:



On May 6, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don


Is there a reason not to put this up on the site, with the other  
tutorials that show how to do WO stuff with WOLips?


http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Tutorials

This is, after all, a wiki. So anyone can write to it. And better  
yet, anyone can find stuff on it.


cheers - ray

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Don Lindsay]

Wow, if you can provide the steps on how to do it I will create a  
tutorial.   I am still having trouble with my windows machine running  
apps in eclipse.  I do all of my development on a Mac normally,  
however I could not find a program that was as good as Adobe Captivate  
that ran on the mac.


Don
On May 7, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Oliver Scheel wrote:

I see it's captured under Windows. Suggestion for the next tutorial:  
How to get WO 5.3 on Windows in three steps (only the stuff that is  
needed for basic Development, no wotaskd, no monitor) ;-)


Oliver

Am 07.05.2008 um 06:20 schrieb Don Lindsay:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials

[Don Lindsay]

Hello;

I wanted to create a sample tutorial first to ensure I was on track.   
I was then gong to create:


How to Install WOLips
How to Install the runtime on Windows
Creating a first WO Application (worldhello) W/O EO Model Static content
Creating a first WO Application (worldhello1) W/O EO Model Dynamic  
content

Creating a first WO Application (worldhello2) W EO Model Dynamic content
Working with EO Models
Working with EO Models primary keys
Working with EO Models foreign keys (relationship)
Working with EO Models procedures
Creating a first WO Framework
Working with Custom Components and Bindings
Working with WO Repitition

These were the items I was going to start with.  We could then  
continue on and add other tutorials for Wonder and D2W.  I did not  
want to go into too much detail on how to use Eclipse.  I believe  
instructions on using eclipse (such as compiling, cleaning, running  
updates, installing, etc) is better served by the Eclipse team.


Don

On May 7, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:



On May 6, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don


Is there a reason not to put this up on the site, with the other  
tutorials that show how to do WO stuff with WOLips?


http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Tutorials

This is, after all, a wiki. So anyone can write to it. And better  
yet, anyone can find stuff on it.


cheers - ray

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Ray Kiddy]

On May 6, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don


Is there a reason not to put this up on the site, with the other  
tutorials that show how to do WO stuff with WOLips?


http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Tutorials

This is, after all, a wiki. So anyone can write to it. And better  
yet, anyone can find stuff on it.


cheers - ray

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Oliver Scheel]

I see it's captured under Windows. Suggestion for the next tutorial:  
How to get WO 5.3 on Windows in three steps (only the stuff that is  
needed for basic Development, no wotaskd, no monitor) ;-)


Oliver

Am 07.05.2008 um 06:20 schrieb Don Lindsay:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the kind  
of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials

[Alexander Spohr]

Select WOLips Goodies Win?
Hm...
Select WOLips Goodies Mac!

;)
atze


Am 07.05.2008 um 06:20 schrieb Don Lindsay:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the kind  
of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don

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Re: WO Tutorials

[Don Lindsay]

I am using Captivate, Which exports to Flash.

Don
On May 7, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote:


Don,

Nicely done! I'm all up for tutorials that a 3 year old could  
follow. It doesn't hurt :)


Btw., what software did you use for UI -> Flash? It seems a very  
bandwidth friendly way of screencasting...


F

On May 07, 2008, at 00:20, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials

[Florijan Stamenkovic]

Don,

Nicely done! I'm all up for tutorials that a 3 year old could follow.  
It doesn't hurt :)


Btw., what software did you use for UI -> Flash? It seems a very  
bandwidth friendly way of screencasting...


F

On May 07, 2008, at 00:20, Don Lindsay wrote:


Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the  
kind of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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Re: WO Tutorials

[Lachlan Deck]

Nice Don.

ps probably a little overkill with the pop instruction for pressing  
the space bar :-)

But otherwise, very clear.

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Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a  
short installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the kind  
of thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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WO Tutorials

[Don Lindsay]

Hello;

Please visit http://web.mac.com/pccdonl/index.html, I created a short  
installation tutorial as an example.  I think this is the kind of  
thing we need for beginner users of WOLips/WebObjects.


Please give me your feedback.

Don
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