[libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, 

 Hi Michael, :-)
 
 On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:48, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
  Hi David,
 
   [...]
         * I would move the download link to the top - and have the
           explanation below it - it takes time to read through that
           text; I can feel my eyes getting tired - and - really, the
           platform / language combination is -really- sweet and simple.
                 + eg. the German tranlation (missing an s) ;-) seems
                   much crisper and prettier as of now.
 
 You're the second person to comment about this - Stefan made similar
 comments, too. I think the solution, therefore, will be to move the
 detailed instructions to a sub-page that will be accessible from the
 side menu (for inexperienced people), and just have a very brief text
 on the actual download page. I'll deal with this.

I support Michael and Stefan (already wanted to include this in my mail about 
the main page, but didn't manage to do so).

Downloading LibreOffice should be as easy as possible, so the download links 
must be the most prominent part of the page IMHO.

The instructions can be placed at the lower part of the page - but I don't mind 
a sub-page, if they are not only referenced from the navigation, but from the 
text  (near the download links) too. 

Best regards

Bernhard




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Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?

2010-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

Le 15/12/2010 06:20, Narayan Aras a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 [...]
 we have a lot of legacy data, so this is very important to take them in 
 consideration. This is an important knowledge base.
 Well, I hope Michael is aware of this data and its old format.
 If the idea is to make is available through Drupal, then this would be an 
 early goal for Drupal team.

Hmm, I think you are missing something : it is not sure that admins of
existing users forums (eg.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr/forum/index.php) will want to
leave OpenOffice.org infrastructure. These forums are intended to
provide assistance to users of each office suite based on OOo : at
this moment OOo, OOO/StarOffice, NeoOffice and LibreOffice. I am sure
they want to keep their freedom to manage their forums as they want.

Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 18.12.2010 12:43, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:

 Please don't subsum all the other projects under Developer.

+1

 In opposition to Sophie and Cor I like the Get involved tab
 very much. In my eyes this attracts developers too.

+1

 Even if we need new developers more than any other contributors
 (I don't really know if this is true, but I believe what I've
 been told), the starting place for contribution should show our
 community in a whole. LibreOffice should try to avoid
 discrimination between code contributors and non-code
 contributors wherever it is possible without negative effects.

+1

 I'm quite sure, that it *is* possible to attract developers with
 prominent information on the Get involved page in (nearly?) the
 same way as with a Developer tab.

+1

Contributing can definitely mean more than code, documentation and
money.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-12-18 06:43, Dr. Bernhard Dippold a écrit :


Please don't subsum all the other projects under Developer.

An artist will never search for a way to contribute under the Developer tab, 
I doubt the same for marketing, webdesign or documentation.

In opposition to Sophie and Cor I like the Get involved tab very much. In my 
eyes this attracts developers too.

What should be done is:
- show the broad area of possible contribution in more graphical way (I know - 
that needs some graphics...)
- attract developers in the most prominent way on the Get involved page.

Even if we need new developers more than any other contributors (I don't really 
know if this is true, but I believe what I've been told), the starting place 
for contribution should show our community in a whole. LibreOffice should try 
to avoid discrimination between code contributors and non-code contributors 
wherever it is possible without negative effects.

I'm quite sure, that it *is* possible to attract developers with prominent information on the 
Get involved page in (nearly?) the same way as with a Developer tab.

And coming back to the two-level navigation on the top: This would allow to move directly 
to a Developer sub-category, if we had (sorry, no graphical devices here at 
work):
(mouse over)
|   HOME   |   DOWNLOAD   |   FEATURES   |   GET HELP   |   *GET INVOLVED*   | 
...
|   DEVELOPMENT   |   DOCUMENTATION   |   USER SUPPORT   |   QA   |
MARKETING   |   DONATE   |

with the second line in lighter green or blue.

Best regards

Bernhard




I would also support the idea of keeping the Get Involved menu title 
as well as the sub-menu detailing the contributing groups to the 
project. The obvious listing of them would be in alphabetical order in 
order to avoid any concerns of showing preference to one group over 
another from a public view perspective -- the Donate button should 
show at the end of the group listing.


Should we not also list the Localisation group here as well as they 
form part of the LibreOffice contributing arms of the distro?


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi Stefan,
On 18/12/2010 16:39, Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

Am 18.12.2010 12:43, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:


Please don't subsum all the other projects under Developer.


+1


In opposition to Sophie and Cor I like the Get involved tab
very much. In my eyes this attracts developers too.


+1


Even if we need new developers more than any other contributors
(I don't really know if this is true, but I believe what I've
been told), the starting place for contribution should show our
community in a whole. LibreOffice should try to avoid
discrimination between code contributors and non-code
contributors wherever it is possible without negative effects.


+1


I'm quite sure, that it *is* possible to attract developers with
prominent information on the Get involved page in (nearly?) the
same way as with a Developer tab.


+1

Contributing can definitely mean more than code, documentation and
money.


Of course, it's even not a question to my eyes, currently I think that 
there is only dev, doc and money because David didn't have the time to 
add the rest.
However we need developers and need to attract them in a very fast way, 
no more than two clicks from what I've heard. So may be considering have 
a dedicated part for them in a more prominent place could be good?
As said to Bernhard, I'll follow your decision because I'm not sure it 
what I plead is acceptable for every body.


Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi to all,
Am 18.12.2010 12:43, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:

(mouse over)
|   HOME   |   DOWNLOAD   |   FEATURES   |   GET HELP   |   *GET INVOLVED*   | 
...
|   DEVELOPMENT   |   DOCUMENTATION   |   USER SUPPORT   |   QA   |
MARKETING   |   DONATE   |

What do you think about:
|   DEVELOPMENT   |   WORK AROUND   |   DONATE   |
?
The WORK AROUND contains all others:
DOCUMENTATION, USER SUPPORT, QA, MARKETING, L10N, Design etc.
Most of these works are coordinated on the lists and in the wiki and so 
we only need a short description on the page.


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[libreoffice-website] Alta en LibreOffice ES

2010-12-18 Thread Miguel Angel Frías Bonfil
Hola Christian,

El motivo de este correo es para pedirte de favor me des de alta en
Silverstripe de LibreOffice.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Bernhard, all,

Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote (18-12-10 12:43)


Please don't subsum all the other projects under Developer.
[...]
In opposition to Sophie and Cor I like the Get involved tab very
much. In my eyes this attracts developers too.
[...]
|   HOME   | DOWNLOAD   |   FEATURES   |   GET HELP   |   *GET INVOLVED*   | 
... |
DEVELOPMENT   |   DOCUMENTATION   |   USER SUPPORT   |   QA   | MARKETING   |   
DONATE   |

with the second line in lighter green or blue.


Sounds very good to me.
As long as development is easy to find, I am very happy!

Best,
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Marc,
Am 18.12.2010 16:57, schrieb Marc Paré:

Le 2010-12-18 10:25, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi to all,
Am 18.12.2010 12:43, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:

(mouse over)
| HOME | DOWNLOAD | FEATURES | GET HELP | *GET INVOLVED* | ...
| DEVELOPMENT | DOCUMENTATION | USER SUPPORT | QA | MARKETING | DONATE |

What do you think about:
| DEVELOPMENT | WORK AROUND | DONATE |
?
The WORK AROUND contains all others:
DOCUMENTATION, USER SUPPORT, QA, MARKETING, L10N, Design etc.
Most of these works are coordinated on the lists and in the wiki and so
we only need a short description on the page.



I don't particularly like this option as this leaves people thinking
that LibreOffice is a developer-centric distro and everything else
follows from it.  We should not highlight one group more than the other
if we want to create a strong membership-led distro. After all, the
LibreOffice is created/maintained by members who take part in its
development at many different levels.

http://www.libreoffice.org/credits.html
You will get this side in LibreOffice - Help.
The credit points will get only people who develop or do something in 
the wiki.


If the listing of the participating contributing groups does not fit at
the top then let's use the side block and list all of the contributing
groups listed in alphabetical order.
Then the second navbar is canceled and we stay with the sidebar for all 
parts? Only a note for the web-design.


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[libreoffice-website] Re: Download page again

2010-12-18 Thread plino

Here is the output of the script

Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.00
en
en

Even if you are sorting by the iso-code please capitalize the language
names. I don't know the rules in other languages but in English and
Portuguese, language names as well as country names are supposed to be
capitalized.

Thanks!
Pedro
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Download page again

2010-12-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Plino, *,

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:48 PM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is the output of the script

 Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.00

Well, this doesn't help, as you did write opera 11 on linux shows the problem.

Or do you want to say that you get russian sellected with opera 9.x
on windows as well?

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Download page again

2010-12-18 Thread plino

I never mentioned Linux :)

Opera 11 identifies itself as
Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.00

Don't ask me why :)

And yes, it is Opera 11 under Windows that selects russian.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010

2010-12-18 Thread Carl Symons
Thanks to this group for all the work. After working on a Drupal site
for a F/OSS Fest in the U.S., I appreciate how much work this can be.

Carl

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:
 I thought it was about time to share some of the progress that the
 Drupal website development team has made since the last update.
 You can view the progress of the site at www.libreofficeaustralia.org
 (Note that international pages have not yet been setup)

 I would like to express my thanks to everyone who has been
 contributing to the Drupal site development so far, the development of
 the workflows and behind the scenes systems is fantastic.
 Since the last update we have:

 Put together a temporary theme (So people can get a feel for the site)
 Created a video support section, where authorised people can submit
 externally hosted tutorial videos
 Refined some of the forums systems (Still working on the mailing list
 type functionality)
 Created a governance system whereby SC members can propose agendas and
 submit meeting minutes
             The system automatically displays info on the next
 upcoming meeting from proposed agendas and you can play minutes
 recordings without downloading the file
 Setup a facebook support page where anyone can ask questions. We are
 currently working on ways for two way communication with FB and other
 social networks.
 In the process of creating an interactive FAQ section
 Creating the concept for the brainstorm system - This is a big
 undertaking and needs to be planned carefully for integration with
 other systems
 Interactive Project Teams now have their own forums and announcement
 areas (restricted posting to team members only)

 There are many other facets of work which I will not go into right
 now, but suffice to say that I am very proud of the work that the
 Drupal Website Development Team is doing.
 We will soon have more contact with the project teams to refine and
 revise the work we have implemented to suit their UI and workflow
 needs.

 The main area which we will concentrate on after the new year will be
 internationalisation and working with the native language teams to
 adapt our website design to suit their needs and incorporate
 suggestions from those teams across all languages.

 Again, a huge thankyou to all of those who have been involved with the
 development so far. There is still a lot of development to go for the
 resulting community site ,I encourage you to get more involved (time
 permitting) now, or after LibreOffice 3.3 has been released into the
 wild.

 Michael Wheatland

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Download page again

2010-12-18 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi,
On 18/12/2010 21:15, Sebastian G. bastik wrote:

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Am 18.12.2010 18:48, schrieb plino:


Here is the output of the script

Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.00
en
en

Even if you are sorting by the iso-code please capitalize the language
names. I don't know the rules in other languages but in English and
Portuguese, language names as well as country names are supposed to be
capitalized.

Thanks!
Pedro


Just to support the capitalized names. In German the language names and
country names are capitalized.


ah, just out of curiosity how do you identified German spoken in Austria 
or Belgium for example ? for me, English speaking in United States would 
en_US and in Great Britain would be en_GB.


Kind regards
Sophie

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[libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-12-18 12:46, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Marc,
http://www.libreoffice.org/credits.html
You will get this side in LibreOffice - Help.
The credit points will get only people who develop or do something in
the wiki.


Hmm, yes, maybe we should expand this to credit those who have 
contributed in other groups? Not sure how this would be done.




If the listing of the participating contributing groups does not fit at
the top then let's use the side block and list all of the contributing
groups listed in alphabetical order.

Then the second navbar is canceled and we stay with the sidebar for all
parts? Only a note for the web-design.



If the second navbar is OK for the rest of the site design, perhaps we 
could have the sidebar for just this particular page?


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Download page again

2010-12-18 Thread Sebastian G. bastik
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Am 18.12.2010 19:40, schrieb Sophie Gautier:
 Just to support the capitalized names. In German the language names and
 country names are capitalized.
 
 ah, just out of curiosity how do you identified German spoken in Austria
 or Belgium for example ? for me, English speaking in United States would
 en_US and in Great Britain would be en_GB.
 
 Kind regards
 Sophie

I got something wrong. It's just about the language codes, not about the
names. I agree with you that the language code would be en_US / en_GB.
Depending on the ISO that's used German should be de_DE or ger_DE for
Germany and de_AT / ger_AT for example.

bastik

18 Dec 2010, 19:58 (+0100)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements

2010-12-18 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Marc,
Am 18.12.2010 19:54, schrieb Marc Paré:

If the listing of the participating contributing groups does not fit at
the top then let's use the side block and list all of the contributing
groups listed in alphabetical order.

Then the second navbar is canceled and we stay with the sidebar for all
parts? Only a note for the web-design.



If the second navbar is OK for the rest of the site design, perhaps we
could have the sidebar for just this particular page?
I don't think that this is UX: Must I look on the left side or upside 
for the second level? The user will be confused.

We should be consequent.
Either we have
a navbar and a sidebar (maybe with a third level) with long ways for eye 
and mouse/finger

or we have
two navbars (and no third level) with limited content (max. ca. 8 per 
line) but with shorter ways for eye and mouse/finger.


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[libreoffice-website] Hi,

2010-12-18 Thread Miguel Angel Frías Bonfil
Hi,

Could you give access to Silverstripe :
http://es.test.libreoffice.org/admin please.

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[libreoffice-website] Fwd: thedocmumentfoundation.org/libreoffice.org Error

2010-12-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Seems some more people experience this problem ;(

 Original Message 
Subject: thedocmumentfoundation.org/libreoffice.org Error
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:49:48 +0100
To: i...@documentfoundation.org

Hello!
I browsed the internet lately to find something out about
'LibreOffice'. As a result of that I got to the hompeage of The
Document Foundation.
I just wanted to inform you that I got an error multiple times with my
Firefox(es) (3.6 on Ubuntu 10.10// 4.0b on Microsoft Win XP SP3).

Maybe it is just my problem but I thought it would be worth telling.

Error message:

Content Encoding Error
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an
invalid or unsupported form of compression.
*   Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.

I hope this is the right mail adress/mailing-list to contact. I couldn't
find an extra webmaster mail adress or something comparable.

Thank you for your time,

P.S.: LibreOffice is great, just installed the RC1 on my Ubuntu.



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