[Webware-devel] prep for a new release

[Mark Phillips]

I am going to build a new release for the project. The target date for 
a first run through of the work is December 7.

Please finalize and check in any work you would like included by 
Friday, December 3.

Don't hesitate to notify me of any issues you have, or if you need 
additional time to complete your work. In addition, I am open to advice 
and criticism on the release process or other related matters so send 
those thoughts along as well. I may not respond immediately but I will 
review every email and, at the very least, acknowledge receipt.

Should you email me directly, please include "[Webware-devel]" in the 
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[Webware-devel] check-in reminder for new release

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If you have something you would like included in the next release, 
please check it in this week.

Midnight Friday is the deadline. Drop me a note if you have an issue.
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Re: [Webware-devel] appserverpid windows service issue

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On Dec 5, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Jason Hildebrand wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The latest checkins with respect the the new appserverpid code breaks
the windows service code.  when the windows service is shutdown
apparently this file is not removed, consequently the service will not
restart.  Any thoughts as to a workaround?  this would really prevent
me from using this code on a windows production server, especially in
light of the new version being rolled out soon
Thanks for reporting this.  I'm investigating, and should be able to 
resolve
this soon.

Mark:  It probably makes sense to wait until I've fixed this before 
preparing
a release candidate.  I'll send a status report when this has been 
fixed.
Can do, Jason. I will wait until you post a note regarding the 
resolution.

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[Webware-devel] release status

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I have been down with the flu for the past six days. I think I am 
recovering, but then I thought that on Sunday... I have to postpone 
work on the Webware release until next week so I have time to catch up 
on contract work.

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Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit has 10 failures?

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On Dec 13, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Winston Wolff wrote:
Are other people getting failures if they run this?  I get 10 failures 
out of 23 tests.

cd Webware/UserKit/Tests/
python Test.py
-winston
The notes in the UserKit source say that it is unfinished. If the tests 
were written before the implementation of the test target, then my hat 
is off to the author.

Unless you hear otherwise, I suggest using the failures as the basis of 
a to-do list. Is anyone currently using UserKit?

For my part, I will give it try tomorrow.
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Re: [Webware-devel] release status

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On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:06 PM, Matt Feifarek wrote:
After looking at the required changes that we had planned, I believe
that we need to put them "out there" and have people comment, rather
than just sneak them in via a release. They're not controversial to
us, but they may be to some.
This strikes me as a wise decision, Matt. I look forward to the 
addition when you are ready. Good things are always worth the wait.

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[Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Session Riding

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On Dec 23, 2004, at 8:10 AM, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Geoffrey Talvola hat gesagt: // Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
So the most secure solution is indeed to use "URL secrets", like the
incrementing id already proposed (which must not be guessable) or
random secrets (like in Funcs.uniqueId(), but they lead to uglier
URLs), in combination with Cookie based sessions.
It might be nice to add some kind of secrets to Webkit.Page or another
place in WW.
The secret could be automatically placed in the path using a similar
mechanism to the one used for path sessions.  This wouldn't be hard to 
add.
I may take a crack at it sometime in January.
Geoff,
I found the article "Dos and Don'ts of Client Authentication on the 
Web" from MIT to be enlightening when I implemented a security model 
for the XML-RPC project I built upon Webware. Here is a link to the 
abstract on usenix.org:

http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec01/fu.html
The full text can be downloaded from that page. The Cookie Eaters page 
also has this document and several others on topic.

http://cookies.lcs.mit.edu/
I would be interested in links for other documents on this topic, 
should anyone care to share them.

hth,
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Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Session Riding

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oops. sent this to the wrong list...
Sorry about that.
 - Mark

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Re: [Webware-devel] build 0.9 status, and refactoring internals

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On Dec 27, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Winston WOLFF wrote:
I'm wondering what the status of version 0.9 is?  I'm waiting for it 
before I check in my automated tests.  I have half of the existing 
tests converted to unittest.TestCase.  It was pretty easy.

I'd like to get check them in because then I can look into refactoring 
the internals to make actual unit tests possible.  I'm thinking of 
unit tests for ServletFactory so I can test my CheetahServletFactory, 
and also servlet.serverSidePath() because I feel it doesn't work 
consistently.
Hello, Winston and others,
December turned out to be a tough month for me. As you may recall I was 
pretty ill in the early part of the month. Well, my father passed away 
on 17th and then the holidays...

The upshot is that I haven't moved one inch on the release, but it is 
still on my list. The list has been refactored to include January 
dates. ;-)

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[Webware-devel] a new build, revisited

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I am (finally) catching up on things. So, in a moment of delirium, I 
have put the Webware release back on my calendar.

I will get the latest from the cvs at 12:00 PST (aka "noon") of Friday, 
January 21, 2005.

If you have work to put in, please do so close of business on Thursday. 
Winston, I am particularly interested in your tests and so on.

Happy days,
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[Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Please try my AllTests.py

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On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:31 PM, Winston Wolff wrote:
Hi Mark and others-
Maybe I should take the test out.  The documentation of the localIP 
function says to call it with remote= some website that it can connect 
to.  Then it works 100%.  If you don't want the function to contact 
another machine though, you can say remote=None, and it will do a 
version that is not guaranteed to work 100% of the time.  So for 
developing, it was interesting to them to see how it worked.  But for 
the purpose of our automated tests, maybe it is just confusing.  I 
presume that anybody who uses that function with remote=None is 
expecting it to fail sometimes so they would know.  If nobody objects 
in a few days, I will remove that test.

-winston
I pulled a BDU. I just ran the test suite. Didn't read one thing about 
it, save for the leading comments in AllTests.py.

I tend to appreciate a thorough test suite, Winston. I would say "leave 
it in". Can you use local loop-back successfully? Or perhaps the thing 
to do is to add a warning in the specific test.py file so it alerts the 
user as the test is run. Something like "This test will fail unless you 
modify xyz file with a valid IP address." or similar.

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Re: [Webware-devel] Release Status / Filters

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On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Dan Milstein wrote:
How goes getting out the next release?
I made a stab at it a couple of weeks ago. Being new to the procedure 
and the cvs, I didn't tag the build so I would say "not fast" is the 
answer to your question. Essentially, I am still at step one, except 
that I have walked the procedure with the cvs.

It may be that with all the rest that has been going on, it might be 
worthwhile to make another run at it at some date in the not too 
distant future. Like Friday?

What do you all think?
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[Webware-devel] release once more, with feeling...

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OK, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is the svn repository ready for a 
willing wiseacre to take a shot at building a new release?

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Re: [Webware-devel] release once more, with feeling...

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On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:15:31 -0800, Mark Phillips wrote:
 OK, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is the svn repository ready
 for a willing wiseacre to take a shot at building a new release?
Uh... I have a few minor mods in my old cvs workspace that I want to 
get in. Can you wait until Saturday? I can probably get them in on 
Friday.
Are you kidding? After the many weeks I have made everyone wait?
No worries, Chuck, I won't touch it until Monday night. Just drop me a 
note if you need to give it a nudge beyond that.

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[Webware-devel] No more commits to svn this evening, please

[Mark Phillips]

I am going to start the process at 6 PM PST. Please no more commits 
until I have finished.

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[Webware-devel] release update: test results

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I checked out the files and ran the AllTests.py. Of 64 tests, all but 
four succeeded. The four failures all involve the following:

File "UserKit/UserManagerToFile.py", line 176, in save
self.manager().encoder()(self, file)
PicklingError: Can't pickle UserKit.UserManagerToFile.RoleUser: 
attribute lookup UserKit.UserManagerToFile.RoleUser failed

I recall there was some discussion about UserKit. If no one objects, I 
will continue with these errors in the build.

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[Webware-devel] Release 0.9 in svn

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I have created a snapshot of the svn head in Webware/tags/Release-0_9. 
I am ready to complete the tarball and such but there is something I 
could use some help with. Well, two things really.

First, the easy one: Grab a copy and exercise it with some tests.
Second, the release notes for each section are mostly empty. I started 
combing through the mail list archive but the source forge search 
facility is quite slow. What's worse is I can't, or don't know how to, 
constrain the search by date plus keyword "update". Also, it has been a 
long time since the last release. I am certain the number of hits on 
"update" is a large one.

How about a time-saving, catch up approach: Please send me any 
noteworthy updates, enhancements and such, that you know about in a 
condensed form.
	Module: WebKit
	Feature: Drying Duck Feet
	File (if useful): dryduckfeet.py
	Comment: Fixed the problem with wet foot prints on the server room 
floor after running webduckling.py.

Please be concise, so to be easy and quick for you to type and for me 
to collate.

I will update each Release Note. Of course, if you have access you can 
just update the RelNotes file as you see fit.

In about a week or ten days I will sync things up and roll a tarball.
Your help with this is greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Webware-devel] Release 0.9 in svn

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I forgot to mention that I had run the test suite prior to creating the 
tagged version and it all worked fine except for the UserKit. I have 
elected to let the three UserKit errors stand until there is a need in 
the group to resolve them. If anyone is using UserKit, please let me 
know.

Also, I did a tiny bit of work on Overview.html but any contributions 
and suggestions are welcome.

I have learned that, using Subversion, there is little difference 
between a "tag" and a "branch". So treat the tag copy with care as you 
would a branch.

That said, I think Release 0.9 is working fine and is OK as a release 
candidate. If you find otherwise, please alert me.

Happy days,
 - Mark
On Apr 28, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
I have created a snapshot of the svn head in Webware/tags/Release-0_9. 
I am ready to complete the tarball and such but there is something I 
could use some help with. Well, two things really.

First, the easy one: Grab a copy and exercise it with some tests.
Second, the release notes for each section are mostly empty. I started 
combing through the mail list archive but the source forge search 
facility is quite slow. What's worse is I can't, or don't know how to, 
constrain the search by date plus keyword "update". Also, it has been 
a long time since the last release. I am certain the number of hits on 
"update" is a large one.

How about a time-saving, catch up approach: Please send me any 
noteworthy updates, enhancements and such, that you know about in a 
condensed form.
	Module: WebKit
	Feature: Drying Duck Feet
	File (if useful): dryduckfeet.py
	Comment: Fixed the problem with wet foot prints on the server room 
floor after running webduckling.py.

Please be concise, so to be easy and quick for you to type and for me 
to collate.

I will update each Release Note. Of course, if you have access you can 
just update the RelNotes file as you see fit.

In about a week or ten days I will sync things up and roll a tarball.
Your help with this is greatly appreciated.
TIA,
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[Webware-devel] tarball for 0.9

[Mark Phillips]

I have added some time to my calendar at the end of this week to create 
a tarball for the 0.9 revision. If you have issues or items to add to 
this release, please commit them or let the group know.

I can postpone if necessary. Barring any commentary to the contrary 
being posted to this list I will assume we are good to go by close of 
business 20 May 2005. With luck, I should have the 0.9 tarball ready by 
23 May 2005.

As a rank newbie in this game, I am also open to suggestions, words of 
wisdom or even the wild ass guess as to pitfalls or best practice.

FWIW, if anyone residing in the San Diego County, California, area 
wants to meet at a local pub or restaurant to chat about python and 
Webware, etc., please feel free to contact me off list.

Happy days,
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Re: [Webware-devel] tarball for 0.9

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Great suggestion, Jason. Very sensible. I will do just that.
 - Mark
On May 17, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Jason Hildebrand wrote:
On Mon, 2005-16-05 at 23:33 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote:
As a rank newbie in this game, I am also open to suggestions, words of
wisdom or even the wild ass guess as to pitfalls or best practice.
Hi Mark,
I have no release-cutting experience either, but I know that for past
webware releases, there was a series of beta releases (i.e. 0.8b1,
0.8b2, etc.) which gave people a chance to try things out and uncover
important bugs before the "official" release was produced.  Labelling a
release as 'beta' also lets people know that they might experience
undocumented side effects, etc. when upgrading.  Internally a fair bit
has changed since the 0.8 release, so this is quite possible.
I would therefore suggest that the upcoming release be called 0.9b1, 
and
that when we post it on the website, we add a note encouraging people 
to
post feedback/bugs to the sourceforge bug tracker.  Then we can sit 
back
for a few weeks, fix any issues which are reported and then continue
from there (either with another beta or with 0.9 final).

Thanks for your continued persistence with making this release happen.
Let me know if I can help in any way.
peace,
Jason

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[Webware-devel] v0.9b1 tarball update

[Mark Phillips]

There is an svn tag for it named Release-0_9b1. I haven't committed 
anything to trunk.


I tested the tarball today and no unexpected failures were encountered 
during the AllTests routines.


I am at the point where the Release Procedures say to upload the tgz to 
sourceforge but, being new at this, I have a couple of questions.


1. Is ncftp still the required utility to upload to sf? That is, will 
this still work:

> ncftpput -V upload.sourceforge.net /incoming Webware-VER.tar.gz

2. I notice the 0.8 betas are not on sourceforge, so shall I upload the 
0.9b1 somewhere else?


3. Under "Release on SourceForge", there is an admonition to wait until 
after the final test before sending user notification. I have a notion 
as to what is meant, but would someone clarify that, please.


BTW, on the 'to do' list is updating the Release Procedures doc and 
ReleaseHelper.py to use the svn. It seems to me that svn will simplify 
these two quite a bit. I suspect the commentary in Release Procedures 
about the mirror site at ebad.pair.com be removed or updated. Any 
thoughts?


Happy days,

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[Webware-devel] Webware 0.9 beta 1 available

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A new tarball for Webware is available at 
<http://www.webwareforpython.org>. This includes all the changes 
committed through July 12, 2005.


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I have scheduled time the morning of Tuesday, August 2, to produce a 
0.9 beta 2 tarball.


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[Webware-devel] Release 0.9 beta 2 available

[Mark Phillips]

Download from the web site:
<http://www.webwareforpython.org/>

Or directly with this URL:
<http://www.webwareforpython.org/downloads/webware-0.9b2.tar.gz>

Please let me know if you encounter any problems.

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Re: [Webware-devel] Webware Doco, migration to SVN

[Mark Phillips]

I have added a date on my calendar for another beta cut, presently 
September 7 depending on work loads. I would greatly appreciate help in 
addressing the issues raised by Christoph.


I have notes for changes to ReleaseProcedures.html, and I can clean the 
.cvsignore files out easily enough when I build up the next beta cut.


Help is needed with other items on his list...

Webware/Docs/StyleGuidelines.raw
Webware/bin/MakeAppWorkDir.py
Webware/bin/pystats.py
Webware/bin/ReleaseHelper.py

Volunteers are most welcome.

 - Mark

On Jul 31, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

I went through most of the Webware toplevel doco today and checked in 
lots of html cleanup and cosmetic improvements (I hope it's ok to do 
this directly in the trunk, since it can hardly break anything).


Actually, the whole documentation creation process should be 
overhauled. Currently it's very patchy with a lot of different tools 
and obscure automagic. There's the ".htmlf" header/footer fragment 
processing and there are ".raw" templates which are actually only used 
for one single page of the doco (the style guidelines). The htmlf/raw 
do not mix. There are also other pages that are not processed at all. 
And there are even pages which do not have a proper head and body 
section, e.g. ClassList.html. In the long run, I think we would do 
good to change over to a consistent documentation creation process 
throughout Webware, using one of Webware's featured templating 
languages such as PSP or Kid.


I also noticed that there are still a lot of references to CVS as 
opposed to SVN, for instance in:


Webware/Docs/StyleGuidelines.raw
Webware/Docs/ReleaseProcedures.html
.cvsignore files everywhere
Webware/bin/MakeAppWorkDir.py
Webware/bin/pystats.py
Webware/bin/ReleaseHelper.py

Maybe somebody who knows more about the release procedures and 
migration to SVN can adjust these things and get rid of the CVS 
reminiscences.


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Re: [Webware-devel] Webware Doco, migration to SVN

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On Aug 24, 2005, at 12:35 AM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

It's good that there will be another beta. There are still some things 
I want to contribute to the 0.9 release. I'll try to do it before Sep 
7. Do you have set up an approximate date for the actual 0.9 release?


There is, as you have pointed out, a number of things to do to say 
"This is the final release." Others have suggested we clean things up 
and release 1.0. Given how stable the product is, I agree with this 
view. So I am doing the 0.9 series to give the group a chance to polish 
things up.


IOW, no, I don't have a date for a 0.9 release. I am happy to set a 
target date if that helps us get motivated.


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[Webware-devel] beta cut

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Just a reminder: I have time slated for another cut of the beta on 
Tuesday afternoon.


Please check in anything you have.

Also, I would warmly welcome anyone who wants to help update the 
release process files. Please check the thread "Webware Doco, migration 
to SVN" for a bit more detail.


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[Webware-devel] beta cut postponed for DBUtils

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Christoph Zwerschke has new work he would like to check-in, and get 
feedback from the community.


Per his request, I have postponed the next beta cut until September 20.

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Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed

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On Sep 8, 2005, at 4:01 AM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

Mark, how about doing this one week earlier on September 13th? This 
would give me enough time and not cause such a delay. The actual 
release could follow very quickly.


Done. I will make a cut on the 13th.

I have added time on September 27th for the release candidate Chuck 
requested.


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[Webware-devel] next beta

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Due to demands at work, I have to delay the beta cut until Wednesday 
next week, September 21.


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Re: [Webware-devel] When will 0.9 be released? (Re: [Webware-discuss] profiler.starttime problem)

[Mark Phillips]

On Sep 29, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:


Is there any reason we shouldn't dub 0.9 beta 2 as 0.9 final? Further
improvements could go into 0.9.1.


I agree this is a good idea.

As you rightly assumed, deadlines and contracts got the better of me in 
recent weeks. My next opportunity to make run at the release is the 
afternoon of October 6. If someone else wants to jump on it sooner, 
that is OK by me. Until I hear otherwise, I have pencilled in 10/6, 
13:00 to do the 0.9 RC release.


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Re: [Webware-devel] pushing for next release

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Christoph and everyone,

If you have time, please go ahead. As much as I want to help with this, 
I have not been able to make time.


 - Mark

On Oct 21, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

Mark, if you do not find the time, and nobody else volunteers, I can 
try to do it this weekend. Let me know whether I shall do it and which 
things to heed besides the ReleaseProcedures.html which seem to be 
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Re: [Webware-devel] New release?

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On Apr 21, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

Since I did not get much feedback, I'm going to release 0.9.1 final  
this weekend if nobody objects.


FWIW, today I downloaded the 0.9.1b1 and installed it on Mac OS X  
10.4.6 running python 2.4. Ran through the tests without a hitch. Set  
up a working directory, added my app files, and fired it up also  
without a blip.


Thanks for all the great work these past months, Christoph!

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Re: [Webware-devel] New release?

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On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:45 AM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

That's an important feedback since I've run and tested Webware only  
on Linux, Win and Solaris :-) It would be also interesting to know  
whether mod_webkit runs on Mac OS (which has a built in Apache  
server, right)?


Yes. I have Apache2 installed on the target server, and Mac OS X does  
comes with Apache v1 installed in the standard distro. I have set up  
one apache2 mod for developing with another tool set. There are a few  
things left to do so the test users can exercise it.


I will try the two mod_webkits for apache once the users are taken  
care of.


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Re: [Webware-devel] Required Python version

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On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

> I think I'm now done with this round of bug fixing. Webware should now
> install and run with all Python versions from 2.0 to 2.5 as claimed by
> the Docs and the Property files (at least all the unit tests pass);  
> and
> I tested it on some more platforms.
>
> The 0.9.2 beta release will be available in one or two days. But I  
> feel
> this should be the last release to support such old Python versions.
>
> What do you suggest as the minimum Python version required when Python
> 2.5 is available? I think requiring Python 2.3 would be fair. This  
> would
> allow removing a lot of backward compatibility hacks and more  
> efficient
> and modern coding.
>
> -- Christoph

I would put my two cents on version 2.3, but only because 2.4 does  
not run on older OS's like Fedora Core 1 and 2.

That said, as long a Webware 0.9.2 is kept on the web site for  
downloading, moving to python 2.4 and above may simplify future work.

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Re: [Webware-devel] Webware/Apache Threading Problem, Take II

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On Sep 18, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Dan Milstein wrote:

> So: I was having problems with large file uploads in my dev
> environment (OS X 10.4, Apache 2), and not in my production
> environment (Linux something, Apache 2).
>
> I have a bit more story, and I've resolved the problem.  Here's the
> scoop, if you're interested:
>
>   - I upgraded my apache install from 2.0.52 to 2.0.55 (using fink),
> and the problem went away
>
> No idea what random bug was fixed in apache which made this so, but
> things are working now.

Even with the remaining mystery, that makes for a happy Monday, eh?

  - Mark


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Re: [Webware-devel] Future Webware versions

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On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:

> And btw we all appreciate your efforts, Christoph! You've been great
> for the project.

Allow me to ditto that remark. Your work, Christoph, is a tremendous  
benefit to the Webware project.

Many thanks,

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[Webware-devel] a comment Re: Massive PSP Problems in 1.0.1

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On Mar 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:

> I'm left alone trying to maintain it
> without being an active user

And I, for one, greatly appreciate your effort and dedication to the  
project. I have often wished my time demands would allow me to assist  
you in some fashion. In the meantime, a hearty thanks to you.

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Re: [Webware-devel] Webware 1.1 and beyond

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Perhaps the addition of wsgi, disutils, and so on, calls for a v2  
product.

  - Mark

On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Roger Haase   
wrote:

>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Christoph Zwerschke  wrote:
>
>> From: Christoph Zwerschke 
>> Subject: [Webware-devel] Webware 1.1 and beyond
>> To: webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:50 AM
>> As already announced, I have created
>> a branch for the Webware for Python
>> 1.0.x bugfix releases.
>>
>> Development in the trunk is now for release 1.1.
>>
>> The idea is to slowly modernize and future-proof Webware
>> for Python.
>>
>> The 1.1 version will be the first step in the process with
>> the main goal
>> of trimming all the old cruft that existed to make Webware
>> backward
>> compatible down to Python 2.0, and use some of the newer
>> Python features
>> to simplify and streamline the code and make it a bit more
>> performant.
>> Things that have already been deprecated will be removed.
>>
>> The trimmed version will make development much less
>> painful.
>>
>> Version 1.2 will then make more creative use of newer
>> Python features.
>> For instance, I can imagine converting some of the getter
>> methods into
>> properties. This means you would then be able to write
>> self.request
>> instead of self.request(). This would be done in a backward
>> compatible
>> way (e.g. by making request callable and returning self).
>> Another idea
>> is to use decorators for actions.
>>
>> Later versions will then tackle more involved things like
>> replacing the
>> Webware plugin and documentation system with something more
>> modern and
>> standard (I'm thinking of Distutils, pip, Sphinx etc.).
>>
>> I think we should also support WSGI. We could then replace
>> mod_webkit
>> with mod_wsgi.
>>
>> In the past I had been sceptical about the future of the
>> ThreadedAppServer because it does not scale on multi-core
>> and
>> multi-processor hardware because of the GIL. So I had
>> already suggested
>> getting rid of it in the long run and simply making Webware
>> a thin WSGI
>> layer, and some were disappointed because of that. But
>> there have been
>> interesting developments in the last time - maybe this will
>> be solved
>> for us with the unladen swallow project and
>> ThreadedAppServer will
>> continue to be useful. So let's postpone that discussion.
>>
>> I will also use the new 1.1 version as an opportunity to
>> break the long
>> Webware tradition of using tabs instead of spaces. The
>> thing is that
>> using 4 spaces has become the most popular style and is
>> recommended in
>> PEP8. It's also used in all the other open source Python
>> projects I'm
>> contributing to; and I always forgot switching my editor
>> for Webware.
>>
>> So from now on:
>>
>> "Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four
>> shall be the
>> number of spaces thou shalt indent, and the number of thy
>> indenting
>> shall be four. Eight shalt thou not indent, nor either
>> indent thou two,
>> excepting that thou then proceed to four. Tabs are right
>> out."
>>
>> -- Christoph
>>
>
> Thank you for all your effort Christoph,
>
> I consider replacing tabs with spaces and wsgi support 2 giant steps  
> forward.
>
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Re: [Webware-devel] migration of webware virtual server

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I have been off line for a while, and so I am rather late to this thread.Has anyone responded to you, Jason? Have you found a volunteer? - MarkOn Aug 4, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Jason Hildebrand wrote:Hi folks,I received the following notification from tummy.com, who has been providing the VPS for use by the webware for python project.I was involved in initial setup of the VPS, however, since I have not been actively involved with the project in recent years, I am wondering if someone else is willing to become tummy.com's contact person, and look after migration to the new VPS.Is anyone able to take this on?peace,Jason- Forwarded Message -From: "Kristen Shuemaker" To: "Jason Hildebrand" Cc: i...@colorstudy.comSent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:22:17 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada CentralSubject: Re: Please sign up for new 'webware' virtualOn Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 02:20:38PM -0400, Jason Hildebrand wrote:Hi Kristen,One question: is tummy still able to provide this virtual to the Webware for Python project free of charge?  Or is this changing?Hi Jason.No change.  It would still be complimentary.  Would the Enhanced virtual work for you - 80GB disk, 1000MB RAM?Kristenpeace,Jason--Jason HildebrandPeaceWorks Computer Consulting#1 - 396 Assiniboine Ave, Winnipeg204 480 0314 --or-- 519 725 7875, ext 6020.- "Kristen Shuemaker"  wrote:Hi Jason and Ian.  We are nearing the completion of moving all of ourvirtual machine customers from our old Xen host servers to our new ESXhost servers and we need your help.We would like you to sign up for one of these new virtuals using our Virtual Server Signup form at: https://secure.tummy.com/hostingOur new virtual host machines that can support CentOS 5.x (currently CentOS 5.5), CentOS 4.x (currently CentOS 4.8), and Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), and Debian Lenny.  Other OSes can also be supported.  Ifyou'd like a different OS, please let us know and we may be able to accommodate you.The new Base service offering increases the memory up to 500MB, disk space to 40GB, and bandwidth quota to 100GB/month, so there are big improvements there as well.When filling out the Virtual Server Signup form, please select the Base service level.  Or if you need more than the 500MB RAM or 40GB disk, please select the Enhanced level.If you'd like an operating system that's not listed in the drop-down menu please specify your OS choice in the Comments box.You will still be able to use 'webware' as your virtual name, since your new virtual will be on a completely different type of shared hostor you can choose a different name.Please record the Password you enter on the form as this will be the root password of your new virtual machine.Your virtual will have a new IP address, so you will have to migrateyour applications to it.Please also include a hostname to assign to your new virtual.  We canset up reverse DNS to point the IP address at this new hostname.We can give you 30 days to get your data moved from your old virtual to your new one.  We'd then shut down your old virtual and keep a copyof it around for 30 days after that in case you find that you've missed some data and need us to bring it back online.  We'd check in with you before to make sure you're ready for the shutdown.Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.Kristen-- tummy.com, ltd.5400 Fossil Court NorthFort Collins, CO 80525Tel: 970-494-0355Fax: 970-377-2320http://www.tummy.com/-- tummy.com, ltd.5400 Fossil Court NorthFort Collins, CO 80525Tel: 970-494-0355Fax: 970-377-2320http://www.tummy.com/--The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use thePlug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a shareof $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details:http://p.sf.net/sfu/dev2dev-palm___Webware-devel mailing listWebware-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
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[Webware-devel] make mod_webkit errors out

[Mark Phillips]

I would greatly appreciate advice on how to work around or through this. 

Installing on Centos 6, with gcc and apxs installed.

[root mod_webkit2]# make
/usr/sbin/apxs -c -Wc,"" -o mod_webkit.la  mod_webkit.c marshal.c 
/usr/lib64/apr-1/build/libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -prefer-pic -O2 -g 
-pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector 
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wformat-security 
-fno-strict-aliasing  -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -pthread 
-I/usr/include/httpd  -I/usr/include/apr-1   -I/usr/include/apr-1-c -o 
mod_webkit.lo mod_webkit.c && touch mod_webkit.slo
mod_webkit.c: In function ‘wksock_open’:
mod_webkit.c:265: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments
mod_webkit.c: In function ‘webkit_handler’:
mod_webkit.c:596: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments
/usr/lib64/apr-1/build/libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -prefer-pic -O2 -g 
-pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector 
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wformat-security 
-fno-strict-aliasing  -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -pthread 
-I/usr/include/httpd  -I/usr/include/apr-1   -I/usr/include/apr-1-c -o 
marshal.lo marshal.c && touch marshal.slo
/usr/lib64/apr-1/build/libtool --silent --mode=link gcc -o mod_webkit.la  
-rpath /usr/lib64/httpd/modules -module -avoid-versionmarshal.lo 
mod_webkit.lo
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Re: [Webware-devel] make mod_webkit errors out

[Mark Phillips]

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Christoph Zwerschke  wrote:
> Can you try with the latest version from trunk?
> I think this has been fixed already:
> 
> http://svn.w4py.org/Webware/trunk/WebKit/Adapters/mod_webkit2/

I copied two lines from the file in trunk into the file mod_webkit.c. Both 
“make” and “make install” completed normally without warnings. 

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Re: [Webware-devel] make mod_webkit errors out

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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Christoph Zwerschke  wrote:
> 
> Am 28.11.2015 um 17:30 schrieb Mark Phillips:
>> I would greatly appreciate advice on how to work around or through this.
>> 
>> Installing on Centos 6, with gcc and apxs installed.
>> 
>> [root mod_webkit2]# make
> 
> Can you try with the latest version from trunk?
> I think this has been fixed already:
> 
> http://svn.w4py.org/Webware/trunk/WebKit/Adapters/mod_webkit2/
> 
> A new release of Webware is still somewhere on my todo list…

Yes, I will give that a try.

I do have a gcc related question. I see a file named mod_webkit.so in the 
directory .libs and the “make install” terminated normally. Given that gcc 
issued warnings, is it risky to assume the mod_webkit.so file produced will 
function as desired?

 - Mark


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Re: [Webware-devel] make mod_webkit errors out

[Mark Phillips]

On Nov 28, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Christoph Zwerschke  wrote:
> 
> Am 28.11.2015 um 18:49 schrieb Mark Phillips:
>> I do have a gcc related question. I see a file named mod_webkit.so in
>> the directory .libs and the “make install” terminated normally. Given
>> that gcc issued warnings, is it risky to assume the mod_webkit.so
>> file produced will function as desired?
> 
> The warnings are normal. mod_webkit2 works fine for me even on modern 
> Linux versions like openSUSE Leap 42.
> 
> — Christoph

Thank you, Christoph.

Regards,

 - Mark


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