Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed
Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Ian Bicking wrote: To me, Webware's lack of a conventional Python installation process has always been a serious problem. There's no reason to use Webware's distribution mechanism (which clearly is slow and error prone, which has a lot to do with the many-year delay of 0.9) when you have a new piece of code that can easily be distributed by itself. Ok, so by your advice I will make DBUtils an independent package on the top level of the repository. Is there a way for me to put a tarball in the download section that I can refer to from the wiki? Do you just need to edit pages on the site? We can hook you up with ssh access; just send me a username. For actual file downloading, I might suggest just uploading it to the Cheese Shop/PyPI -- if you use setuptools instead of distutils, you can do python setup.py register to list it, then python setup.py sdist upload to upload it there. It's less annoying to work with than SF, IMHO. But if you want to upload it to SF that would be fine too; you'd probably need developer permissions there to do that. I will only make some minor changes to MiscUtils/DBPool.py and add a note about the existence of DBUtils. Speaking about Webware installation, how difficult do you think would it be to change Webware to use a standard distutils or setuptools installer? Everything except bin would go to the site-packages directory. MakeAppWorkDir could be the same as always. It could be distributed with distutils. There were concerns about the number of top-level packages it provides (e.g., MiscUtils, WebUtils, PSP, WebKit, etc), but in the end I don't think it's so bad. Especially if you use setuptools, so that people can install Webware so it won't clash even if another package uses the same top-level package names. So it might not be that hard to convert; if it works out, I think that's definitely a worthwhile change to make before going to 1.0. -- Ian Bicking / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://blog.ianbicking.org --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed
Actually it was not only DBUtils why I asked to postpone, but I still hadn't tested the last beta with my main application and had only time to do it this week. So I thought it would be a better timing to have the next beta cut one week later. Also, before the 0.9 release, CVS reminescensces should be removed from: Webware/Docs/StyleGuidelines.raw Webware/bin/MakeAppWorkDir.py Webware/bin/pystats.py Webware/bin/ReleaseHelper.py Since nobody volunteered to do this, I wanted to work on that before cutting the next beta. I also support Chuck's suggestion to cut a release candidate 1 instead of a beta 3. Mark, how about doing this one week earlier on September 13th? This would give me enough time and not cause such a delay. The actual release could follow very quickly. Ian Bicking wrote: Is there any reason that should be part of the main Webware release? The DBUtils package is actually completely independent from Webware. It could be used as well by other application servers or other multi-threading environments. But since nearly all Webware applications need database access and in view of the batteries included paradigm, I thought it would be a good idea to make it a Utils plug-in similar to MiscUtils. Actually, it replaces the MiscUtils/DBPool.py module completely. -- Christoph --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed
On Sep 8, 2005, at 4:01 AM, Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Mark, how about doing this one week earlier on September 13th? This would give me enough time and not cause such a delay. The actual release could follow very quickly. Done. I will make a cut on the 13th. I have added time on September 27th for the release candidate Chuck requested. - Mark --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed
Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Is there any reason that should be part of the main Webware release? The DBUtils package is actually completely independent from Webware. It could be used as well by other application servers or other multi-threading environments. But since nearly all Webware applications need database access and in view of the batteries included paradigm, I thought it would be a good idea to make it a Utils plug-in similar to MiscUtils. Actually, it replaces the MiscUtils/DBPool.py module completely. To me, Webware's lack of a conventional Python installation process has always been a serious problem. There's no reason to use Webware's distribution mechanism (which clearly is slow and error prone, which has a lot to do with the many-year delay of 0.9) when you have a new piece of code that can easily be distributed by itself. -- Ian Bicking / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://blog.ianbicking.org --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed
Ian Bicking wrote: To me, Webware's lack of a conventional Python installation process has always been a serious problem. There's no reason to use Webware's distribution mechanism (which clearly is slow and error prone, which has a lot to do with the many-year delay of 0.9) when you have a new piece of code that can easily be distributed by itself. Ok, so by your advice I will make DBUtils an independent package on the top level of the repository. Is there a way for me to put a tarball in the download section that I can refer to from the wiki? I will only make some minor changes to MiscUtils/DBPool.py and add a note about the existence of DBUtils. Speaking about Webware installation, how difficult do you think would it be to change Webware to use a standard distutils or setuptools installer? Everything except bin would go to the site-packages directory. MakeAppWorkDir could be the same as always. -- Christoph --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
[Webware-devel] beta cut postponed for DBUtils
Christoph Zwerschke has new work he would like to check-in, and get feedback from the community. Per his request, I have postponed the next beta cut until September 20. Mark Phillips --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed for DBUtils
Christoph's work looks very interesting, but I don't think it should be tied to 0.9 at all. We've always faced this same situation with past Webware releases where there are some enhancements some of us would like to include--therefore, let's postpone the release. One problem with this is that there's no end to it. By the time we've decided on the details of including Christoph's work, there will be something else to consider. Another problem is that people will continue to download the old 0.8.1 release in place of any 0.9 beta even though the current beta is a much better product. Finally, releasing a 0.9 final does not preclude making a 0.9.1 or 1.0 just weeks later. I strongly prefer we make an 0.9 release candidate 1 and include Christoph's work (and some of my own upcoming ideas) in the release after that. -Chuck On 9/7/05, Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christoph Zwerschke has new work he would like to check-in, and get feedback from the community. Per his request, I have postponed the next beta cut until September 20. Mark Phillips --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
Re: [Webware-devel] beta cut postponed for DBUtils
Mark Phillips wrote: Christoph Zwerschke has new work he would like to check-in, and get feedback from the community. Is there any reason that should be part of the main Webware release? It seems like it should just be an independent package -- Chris can move it to the top level of the repository, write a little setup.py script for it, and it can be distributed on a its own schedule. It can still go on the website or whatever; there's no reason webwareforpython.org can't feature several packages. Ian --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
[Webware-devel] beta cut
Just a reminder: I have time slated for another cut of the beta on Tuesday afternoon. Please check in anything you have. Also, I would warmly welcome anyone who wants to help update the release process files. Please check the thread Webware Doco, migration to SVN for a bit more detail. Mark Phillips --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Webware-devel mailing list Webware-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-devel
