Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:25:05 +0100, Sean Bride wrote: > On Dec 21, 2007 1:56 PM, Jerome WAGNER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great work has been done by all the parties involved and I am proud of > > this result. > > Proud of what? Letting a very important FOSS project down for a > fortune teller website that is as likely to be profitable as Bush > starting to write Greek poetry? Way to go Jerome WAGNER! You should be sean, while we're all disappointed with the turn of events, there's no need for such language. let's all thank wengo for supporting the project until now. i for one am. like all open source projects, there will be growth and dynamism and because its open source, we can still work on wengophone without wengo. -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0) http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Sean, Sean Bride wrote: > stuff... There's no need for comments like this. Let's keep the project civil, as it has always been. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
On Dec 21, 2007 1:56 PM, Jerome WAGNER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great work has been done by all the parties involved and I am proud of > this result. Proud of what? Letting a very important FOSS project down for a fortune teller website that is as likely to be profitable as Bush starting to write Greek poetry? Way to go Jerome WAGNER! You should be ashamed of that. I hope your business will fail as you deserve it and as it sucks hard anyway, unless you find some MBA guy stupid enough to buy into this. There might be some, it depends on timing, what will come first? Stupid MBA to buy your project or your project going out of money cause that's how it's gonna end anyway even after MBAtard comes around lol. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
I'm ready to provide a mirror hosting space required for all the project files! For sure that is in case all data would be loosed as all are talking about !!! - Original Message - From: "Klaus Darilion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Micha? Andrzej Wo?niak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm Michaإ‚ Andrzej Woإ؛niak schrieb: So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? If not it would be great if one of the developers would mirror the SVN archive to sourceforge. regards klaus ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel __ NOD32 2759 (20080101) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Patrick, Tapioca client is based on Linux platform .. but not for a client that works on windows platform. Please correct me if I'm false ! - Original Message - From: "Patrick Aljord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wengophone Devel" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm for people looking for a well supported free and open source voip solution, I recomend the tapioca framework. It provides a free client with icq MSN yahoo jabber and even jingle! It also comes with free libraries in c#, glib , qt and python so you don't need to know c++ to write your own client. Also its backed by nokia so I don't think there is risk from them switching to hotline business and give up on telephony :-) What's the reason for dumping the wengophone by the way? Was Wengo losing money on it? Or is their new hotline business just more profitable? Or both of the above? ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel __ NOD32 2759 (20080101) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
for people looking for a well supported free and open source voip solution, I recomend the tapioca framework. It provides a free client with icq MSN yahoo jabber and even jingle! It also comes with free libraries in c#, glib , qt and python so you don't need to know c++ to write your own client. Also its backed by nokia so I don't think there is risk from them switching to hotline business and give up on telephony :-) What's the reason for dumping the wengophone by the way? Was Wengo losing money on it? Or is their new hotline business just more profitable? Or both of the above? ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Michał Andrzej Woźniak schrieb: So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? If not it would be great if one of the developers would mirror the SVN archive to sourceforge. regards klaus ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 01:22:36PM +0100, Michał Andrzej Woźniak wrote: > Dnia poniedziałek 24 grudzień 2007, Andreas Schneider napisał(a): > > John Draper wrote: > > > Will it be possible to find a new hosting server for WengoPhone? Wish > > > I could help, I'm having hosting problems myself. > > > > Hosting is not the problem, I already have a git repository for > > wengophone-2.2. The problem is to find a maintainer. I'm not a C++ > > programmer and I don't have the time to do this job. > > > > Aurélien, Dave I hope you will find a new job soon. If you ever plan to > > work again on WengoPhone, let me know :) > > > > All the best and merry christmas, > > > > -- andreas > > Git repo is not all OW needs. What about a homepage? Forums? Mailing-list > archives? > If you need i can offer a trac environment, apache+php homepage, mailing lists and a postgres database on the PLUG's server (i'm the administrator) Ciao -- - |Marco Nenciarini| Debian/GNU Linux Developer - Plug Member | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.prato.linux.it/~mnencia | - Key fingerprint = FED9 69C7 9E67 21F5 7D95 5270 6864 730D F095 E5E4 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Le Wednesday 26 December 2007 12:41:56 Jerome WAGNER, vous avez écrit : > Aurelien, > Please do not speak for Wengo or take wild guesses at what Wengo is doing. I did not intend to speak for Wengo, I just wanted to explain how I felt the project was being considered based on the latest months I spent in the company and on information I collected after my departure. > As I said, we are currently looking at different options to make sure > that the OpenWengo project stays alive and active without a monetary > support from Wengo. Question is: what can Wengo bring without monetary support? Everything Wengo will do will cost the company some money. I don't see why shareholders would approve that, since it won't bring anything back to the company. Don't get me wrong, even if I do not feel like contributing to the project for now, I certainly want it to survive. If Wengo can continue to support the community in other ways than financially, I don't see anything bad in this. I just can't see how it can happen, but I would love to be proved wrong. Aurélien ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Dnia poniedziałek 24 grudzień 2007, Andreas Schneider napisał(a): > John Draper wrote: > > Will it be possible to find a new hosting server for WengoPhone? Wish > > I could help, I'm having hosting problems myself. > > Hosting is not the problem, I already have a git repository for > wengophone-2.2. The problem is to find a maintainer. I'm not a C++ > programmer and I don't have the time to do this job. > > Aurélien, Dave I hope you will find a new job soon. If you ever plan to > work again on WengoPhone, let me know :) > > All the best and merry christmas, > > -- andreas Git repo is not all OW needs. What about a homepage? Forums? Mailing-list archives? Have you guys thought about Sourceforge? Gosh, I wish I was good at C++... Cheers mike ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Wengo created the OpenWengo project and community. The OpenWengo community should be grateful to Wengo for the time and money it invested in this project. But this is the past. It's time to be honest, Wengo has chosen a completely different road and it needs to assume this choice. There is no one working on the OpenWengo project in Wengo anymore. The only remaining support Wengo provides for now is hosting. Considering that: - www.openwengo.org is down at least one time out of three (In these case I get a blank page. The source of the page says: ) - WengoPhone user support has been stopped. - Wengo is currently in the process of cancelling all paid WengoPhone subscriptions. I do not believe Wengo will continue to host this project for a very long time. And I would not blame them: I can't see what interest they would have in continuing to host it. As I said, Wengo created the OpenWengo community and this is a great achievement, but nowadays Wengo is as relevant to the OpenWengo project as Netscape is relevant to the Mozilla project. Aurélien Aurelien, Please do not speak for Wengo or take wild guesses at what Wengo is doing. As I said, we are currently looking at different options to make sure that the OpenWengo project stays alive and active without a monetary support from Wengo. Nevertheless, holidays are holidays, Enjoy your holidays and happy new year to all! Jerome ps: thanks Aurelien for the tip on openwengo.org not working ! it should work now - a bug happening only when your browser's native language is french. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
John Draper wrote: > Will it be possible to find a new hosting server for WengoPhone? Wish > I could help, I'm having hosting problems myself. Hosting is not the problem, I already have a git repository for wengophone-2.2. The problem is to find a maintainer. I'm not a C++ programmer and I don't have the time to do this job. Aurélien, Dave I hope you will find a new job soon. If you ever plan to work again on WengoPhone, let me know :) All the best and merry christmas, -- andreas -- http://www.cynapses.org/ - cybernetic synapses signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Wengo created the OpenWengo project and community. The OpenWengo community should be grateful to Wengo for the time and money it invested in this project. But this is the past. It's time to be honest, Wengo has chosen a completely different road and it needs to assume this choice. There is no one working on the OpenWengo project in Wengo anymore. The only remaining support Wengo provides for now is hosting. Considering that: - www.openwengo.org is down at least one time out of three (In these case I get a blank page. The source of the page says: ) - WengoPhone user support has been stopped. - Wengo is currently in the process of cancelling all paid WengoPhone subscriptions. I do not believe Wengo will continue to host this project for a very long time. And I would not blame them: I can't see what interest they would have in continuing to host it. As I said, Wengo created the OpenWengo community and this is a great achievement, but nowadays Wengo is as relevant to the OpenWengo project as Netscape is relevant to the Mozilla project. Aurélien ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel Will it be possible to find a new hosting server for WengoPhone? Wish I could help, I'm having hosting problems myself. John ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Wengo created the OpenWengo project and community. The OpenWengo community should be grateful to Wengo for the time and money it invested in this project. But this is the past. It's time to be honest, Wengo has chosen a completely different road and it needs to assume this choice. There is no one working on the OpenWengo project in Wengo anymore. The only remaining support Wengo provides for now is hosting. Considering that: - www.openwengo.org is down at least one time out of three (In these case I get a blank page. The source of the page says: ) - WengoPhone user support has been stopped. - Wengo is currently in the process of cancelling all paid WengoPhone subscriptions. I do not believe Wengo will continue to host this project for a very long time. And I would not blame them: I can't see what interest they would have in continuing to host it. As I said, Wengo created the OpenWengo community and this is a great achievement, but nowadays Wengo is as relevant to the OpenWengo project as Netscape is relevant to the Mozilla project. Aurélien ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Hello all, As CTO of wengo, I feel I should intervene in this thread to avoid letting people mis-interpret the recent evolutions. Wengo is the current "Benevolent dictator" of the openwengo project. We have invisted a lot of time, money, and most of all energy in this projet to make it a real alternative to proprietary voip solutions. After 3 years, I think that * wengophone 2.1 is mature and stable on all 3 platforms * wengophone 2.2 is near completion and allows easy re-branding for anyone who needs it * The CoIP manager / python QT version is a major breakthrough in the engeneering of a plugin based, skinnable, brandable communication platform * phapi/wifo is the most advanced and agile SIP stack for easy network interoperability and firewall/nat traversal Great work has been done by all the parties involved and I am proud of this result. Recently, a shift in wengo's business model has lead me : - to maintain my interest and belief in the openwengo community, which is a mature and nearly adult community - to not be able to pay with real money some of the community members, which has an impact on their short-term involvment, and on the short-term responsiveness of the community As Dave said, we are currently solving this difficulty and the new year will give one more brightful year to our community ! The technical focus stays on the release of WengoPhone 2.2. Cheers, Jerome Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, Aurélien: Thanks for letting people know what's happening. It's been very difficult for me to keep silence on this issue over the past few weeks (for reasons which I hope will become clear soon). I'm heading home for the Christmas holidays right now, but I just wanted to reassure everyone that I hope to have an announcement about the project when I return in mid January. Sorry to be so enigmatic, I really can't say much else right now. Let me just say that ensuring that the project was in a state where the withdrawl of Wengo would not be the end of the project was my primary goal for this year, and I believe that I've achieved that. This project will continue, and I have full confidence in this community to overcome this difficult time. The first priority, in my opinion, is the stabilisation of the code for the 2.2 release. Then we will need to make a decision on what comes next - specifically, in relation to CoIP Manager and the feature set for WP 3.0. Cheers, Dave. Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Hi all, Aurélien: Thanks for letting people know what's happening. It's been very difficult for me to keep silence on this issue over the past few weeks (for reasons which I hope will become clear soon). I'm heading home for the Christmas holidays right now, but I just wanted to reassure everyone that I hope to have an announcement about the project when I return in mid January. Sorry to be so enigmatic, I really can't say much else right now. Let me just say that ensuring that the project was in a state where the withdrawl of Wengo would not be the end of the project was my primary goal for this year, and I believe that I've achieved that. This project will continue, and I have full confidence in this community to overcome this difficult time. The first priority, in my opinion, is the stabilisation of the code for the 2.2 release. Then we will need to make a decision on what comes next - specifically, in relation to CoIP Manager and the feature set for WP 3.0. Cheers, Dave. Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Hello, > > You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed > down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. > > There is a reason for that situation. > > You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last > months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the > WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge > market place. > > For a while the company has been able to financially support both the > marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For > financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, > all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to > leave the company. > > A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone > activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. > > I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. > > As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and > continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so > I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. > > In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can > discuss > this privately if you want to. > > Regards, > Aurélien > ___ > Wengophone-devel mailing list > Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com > http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel > -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Michał Andrzej Woźniak wrote: Dnia czwartek 20 grudzień 2007, John Draper napisał(a): giopas wrote: Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to openly support the Macintosh. We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up the cause. Wait a minute - are the devs just being laid-off, or is the whole community being laid-off? Are the webpages, the repositories, the documentation, etc., being pulled back and sent to oblivion, or is Wengo just ending the financial support to the devs? If the community stays, it should be viable to continue the project. Maybe not so fast, maybe not so well-designed and roadmapped, ect., but hey, we have the repos, we have the docs and wikis, let's get messy with the code, shall we? So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? Cheers mike Gosh - I would hope so.Say, you aren't related to my good friend Steve Wozniak are you? I'm almost in daily contact with him. Crunchman - The Capt... en2go Entertainment, Hollywood, ca. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Dnia czwartek 20 grudzień 2007, John Draper napisał(a): > giopas wrote: > > Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably > >> slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. > >> > >> There is a reason for that situation. > >> > >> You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in > >> the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any > >> reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on > >> creating an online knowledge market place. > >> > >> For a while the company has been able to financially support both the > >> marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. > >> For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As > >> a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the > >> WengoPhone had to leave the company. > >> > >> A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the > >> WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. > >> > >> I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. > >> > >> As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on > >> and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say > >> never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. > >> > >> In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We > >> can discuss this privately if you want to. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Aurélien > > > > Salut Aurélien, > > > > I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo > > could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online > > knowledge market place"! > > > > That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than > > a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for > > a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a > > "clairvoyanceonline" service! > > > > I'm astonished! :-! > > > > You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market > > share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to > > loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an > > illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! > > > > At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... > > > > Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) > > interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the > > voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, > > ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a > > Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? > > > > No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... > > > > But, what about a new project? > > > >> A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the > >> WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. > > > > What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that > > everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your > > (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. > > community and all related companies and their willingness to help you > > going ahead. > > > > Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) > > claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will > > see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... > > > > Just my 2€cs. > > > > Best regards, ;-) > > giopas (just a useless user) > > > > > > ps: bonnes fetes... > > > > [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html > > [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html > > yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this > totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to > openly support the Macintosh. > > We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to > look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the > place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the > hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up > the cause. Wait a minute - are the devs just being laid-off, or is the whole community being laid-off? Are the webpages, the repositories, the documentation, etc., being pulled back and sent to oblivion, or is Wengo just ending the financial support to the devs? If the community stays, it should be viable to continue the project. Maybe not so fast, maybe not so well-designed and roadmapped, ect., but hey, we have the repos, we have the docs and wikis, let's get messy with the code, shall we? So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? Cheers mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinf
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
giopas wrote: Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to openly support the Macintosh. We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up the cause. regards John D -en2go Entertainment, Hollywood, ca. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
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Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html -- "The paradigm of competition is a race: by rewarding the winner, we encourage everyone to run faster. When capitalism really works this way, it does a good job; but its defenders are wrong in assuming it always works this way. If the runners forget why the reward is offered and become intent on winning, no matter how, they may find other strategies--such as, attacking other runners. If the runners get into a fist fight, they will all finish late." (GNU manifesto/R. Stallman) ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
