Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings - Commentry
Fellow citizens from Arua, It very disgusting to say the least. It is a reflection of the type of leadership we have in Arua District; from the RDC to LC-V to whoever When services are not delivered we are very quick to blame the Central government. Implementation of government or local government projects requires proper planning and active finance and planning committee comprising the CAO, RDC (overseer of government programmes), and of course the LC-V who is the governor of the district. To begin with one of the them has not been in the office (because he is studying at a univeristy), the other is fighting everbody in the district (the Municpality inclusive) and the CAO is left to handle everything from planning to accounting for funds. What would you expect!!! In my view for any local government system to work, we must have appropriate structures in place and clear headed people in the structures to manage for effective implementation of projects. Proprer project planning is therefore a pre-quisite for effective service delivery, which comprises the following stages; DEFINITION OF THE SCOPE OF WORKS, PREPARATION OF PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS, TENDERING AND AWARD, COMMISSIONING THE CONTRACTOR, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION STAGE, TESTING COMMISSIONING THE PROJECT AND THE FINAL HANDOVER. All these stages have a finite time frame that can not be circumvented. Therefore, if funds are returned like the above situation, it is a reflection of proper planning on the part the part of those charged in the District. It also shows that our District leaders have failed our people. --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Patrick Okuni paok...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Patrick Okuni paok...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 4:30 AM Ori Over to you for as comment... Patrick --- On Fri, 18/6/10, Patrick Ezaga pez...@gmail.com wrote: From: Patrick Ezaga pez...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 23:22 Caleb, Did they provide any reasons for what i would like to term as sheer madness? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted
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Azila fivua bo mi ngonia, just lamenting. Wll give youa call soon. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Joseph Adrapi jadr...@yahoo.com wrote: Mgba Ma-adripi! Ojo mii jo `di tandi ma ani mibe gbolo alu dria. Awania tuu kalasi mi aa alaru. --- On *Wed, 6/16/10, Ejoyi Xavier ejo...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Ejoyi Xavier ejo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 3:16 AM Dear Friends, The issue of analysing budget performance is a bit more complex than meets the eye, spanning into multiple variables. Ejiku has hit the nail on the head, this is not something unique to Arua district or even governmental bodies! In utilising budgetary allocations, there are numerous statutory regulations that need to be complied with to the extent that should one thing delay (e.g the responsible staff is on study leave), the entire chain comes to a halt. In addition, I would not be surprised if the Ushs 1.7B or part of it being returned is from a certain donor who have additional guidelines quite often outside the GoU set procedures. Besides, it would be interesting to find out when the funds intended for specific projects were actually disbursed to the district. In my own assessment, this issue points to the fallacy of decentralisation we now enjoy in Uganda that is a start departure from what it was in the mid to late nineties. The fact that instead of empowering local governments to raise funds to support their priorities articulated in their budgets, we could rather subject them to tightly controlled central government disbursements, appointment of accounting officers, rules and regulations is in itself defeating to the concept of decentralisation. However, in all these there is always a place for responsibility for the local leaders that they may need to own up to. So it is wise to assess the whole extent of the problem. Ndugu Xavier Ejoyi On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, peter odama peter.od...@googlemail.comhttp://us.mc559.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=peter.od...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, This is very unfortunate development, it appears the elites and semi elites and the innocent beneficiaries in Arua don't have capacity to utilize this money, but there was no way to defraud this money as such, these monies were sent back as a result. All the local leaders in the district have pay dearly 1st priority the heads in the district, and we need more dossiers to back further argument and concrete defence, therefore we shall definitely reach the societies in Arua for appropriate action. we have been crying the government is not helping, but when she helps, we even don't know why we are helped, this is a mess, and needs urgent corrective measures Odama On 16 June 2010 11:14, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc559.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.nethttp://us.mc559.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=westnile...@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.nethttp://us.mc559.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=westnile...@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Dear All, This is most unfortunate unfolding. It just beats my understanding how a very poor district, so much lacking in social services, with deplorable livelihood of the residents could ever return such funds unused to the treasury! Can the West Nile Foundation seek explanation from the Authorities in Arua? Do we have CSOs in Arua with backbones strong enough to take on the leadership and ask for accountability on this matter? I think this is a serious issue that needs intervention. I strongly suggest that we obtain an explanation from the respective department heads and see if there is any way we can help to avoid this happening again. I don't think this is the first time we are returning funds to the central government. Stephen Asuma Email: stevoasum...@yahoo.com or sas...@awfafrica.org From: Patrick Okuni paok...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Ori Over to you for as comment... Patrick --- On Fri, 18/6/10, Patrick Ezaga pez...@gmail.com wrote: From: Patrick Ezaga pez...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 23:22 Caleb, Did they provide any reasons for what i would like to term as sheer madness? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Its a social tragedy Sa sad On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Patrick Ezaga pez...@gmail.com wrote: Caleb, Did they provide any reasons for what i would like to term as sheer madness? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.comwrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Dear Colleagues, This is very unfortunate development, it appears the elites and semi elites and the innocent beneficiaries in Arua don't have capacity to utilize this money, but there was no way to defraud this money as such, these monies were sent back as a result. All the local leaders in the district have pay dearly 1st priority the heads in the district, and we need more dossiers to back further argument and concrete defence, therefore we shall definitely reach the societies in Arua for appropriate action. we have been crying the government is not helping, but when she helps, we even don't know why we are helped, this is a mess, and needs urgent corrective measures Odama On 16 June 2010 11:14, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Caleb, Did they provide any reasons for what i would like to term as sheer madness? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Dear Colleagues, This is not the first time and it certainly will not be the last time that our local government will return money to the central government. I am not too sure but I seem to remember that about 10 billion of Northern Uganda Social Action Fund (NUSAF) money was returned some time back. The question is why does this happen on regular basis? We don't seem to learn from past mistakes. We know very well the limitations imposed by the bureaucracy set by the central government in release of funds and procurement. Why can't our bureaucrats and politicians plan in a way that the limitations are catered for? It may be incompetence, corruption and greed. Why do they continue with business as usual, yet the requisite services are not delivered? Take the case of NUSAF. These are small grants meant to help locals in northern Uganda start productive ventures that are economically profitable, socially inclusive and ecologically healthy. How many of our people actually know the procedure for accessing those grants. I understand many of the proposals don't get approved because they don't satisfy the guidelines. What do those in authority do to ensure next time people write appropriate proposals so that the funds can reach the people they are meant to? Now that another NUSUF money is around the corner, are we prepared to help our people access these funds? Ben On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Immaculate Bona Maandera ibmaand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christine and members, I have not followed discussions here very closely. However, I got curious about the WN-uni. I suppose those of you closeby are in contact with the persons steering the uni. Otherwise, it might be useful to give make comments from this link as well -- if it works -- http://www.wnu.ac.ug/contacts.html -- still said to be under construction for quite some time now. Since they have placed it there with a please, maybe they do need more heads to join them. Maandera On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University is in this years budget (not sure), we are not hearing what is going on, I hope the money wont be returned also. Thanks Christine -- *From:* Robert Ejiku ejikurob...@gmail.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Wed, June 16, 2010 12:05:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
within the legal frame work of University and other tertiary institutions act. Professor Christine described the proposed public University as a pro-people, addressing common mans needs and termed it as an institution coming to provide a ‘Universal University education’ In reference to the status of West Nile she said much as her geographical location is of advantage, it is sometimes a disadvantage for example in all towns of Uganda you find West Nile women engaging in subsistent survival businesses and the men in local security activities. This to her was very displeasing. The university education should contribute towards changing this negative identity of West Nile. She tasked the people of West Nile to focus beyond ethnicity, constituency politics or district to a bigger and better future for the people of West Nile. *Progress made by the Task force Team.* They interacted with Arua District officials who gave a big welcome and an exciting acceptance which the professor said was very challenging. *They offered the following:* 1. The ICT centre in Arua for immediate start of the programs. 2. Madi Okolo settlement structures and land 3. Urban programs be run in Muni NTC and land of 130.054 hectares was given. 4. The task force has also received individual contributions of computers and books 5. The task force has got the Land given by Yumbe Local Government in Bidibidi. 6. The Task force has created three sub committees who are already working on three programs : BSC Nursing, Information and Communication Technology, and BSC Technical program On scoping of activities the professor remarked that the University is not yet given existence by an act of parliament however she said these processes will now lead to the enactment in parliament. *Approach of the proposed University:* § Students will be clustered into cohorts (groups) § Courses will be competence based § Skills based with an attitude devoted to serve the community. § Community based and participatory All these are aimed at making sure that we work with partners because we need them. Dr. Epiphany termed the University as from the people for the people. He said the purpose of their coming was to carry out a needs assessment of the West Nile region in relation to the Public University. He asked members what is it that we want to see. We want to produce students who can do not only those who know and can’t do. Because of this the University will also run some cross cutting courses like: 1. Communication skills which he said will address the challenge of University graduates ‘making good sentences by accident.’ 2. Ethics which he said will reverse the challenges among civil servants irresponsive and inhumane attitudes at work. He asked members present to propose on the following *Name of the University* Members chose University of West Nile as the name they would propose as people of Yumbe. *Whether the University should offer Science or Arts* The university should offer both Sciences and Arts *Whether the University should be Unitary or decentralized.* The university should be decentralized but the centre should be situated in Yumbe district. Members said that the university should uphold producing quality, Performers not just people who meet entry requirements. In her closing remarks the Professor said “we take nothing for granted even if it is a minority view” The meeting ended at 6:00pm Please Note that similar meetings are held else where in the Region so if there are any intellectual information you could share to keep the efforts focused you could. Remember it is a consultative process not conclusive yet. Kind Regards Moses Akuma Odims Program Officer MAYANK Development Association (MDA) Secretariat in Yumbe. -- *From:* christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Wed, June 16, 2010 12:36:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University
[WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Dear Colleagues, This is very unfortunate development, it appears the elites and semi elites and the innocent beneficiaries in Arua don't have capacity to utilize this money, but there was no way to defraud this money as such, these monies were sent back as a result. All the local leaders in the district have pay dearly 1st priority the heads in the district, and we need more dossiers to back further argument and concrete defence, therefore we shall definitely reach the societies in Arua for appropriate action. we have been crying the government is not helping, but when she helps, we even don't know why we are helped, this is a mess, and needs urgent corrective measures Odama On 16 June 2010 11:14, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University is in this years budget (not sure), we are not hearing what is going on, I hope the money wont be returned also. Thanks Christine From: Robert Ejiku ejikurob...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 12:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Comrades, These are indicators that there are problems in our region and therefore the more reason WNF gets involved in the affairs regarding the local governance in our area. I think we need to use this case as starting point, but approach it objectively. In my opinion, we would request the local leaders to give their side of the story. I am sure issues like delays in the procurement process, late release of funds by the ministry etc will surface. But I know that local governments work on annual plans and any such issues, especially procurement related could be partly a result of improper planning. Please let us have the accounting officer on board to give us a clip of what happened. From this, we can make contributions for improvement. Sam. _ From: Caleb Alaka [mailto:calebal...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:14 AM To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Subject: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS EMAIL AND/OR ATTACHMENTS IS CONFIDENTIAL AND MAY BE PRIVILEGED. NEW VISION PRINTING PUBLISHING COMPANY LTD MAKES NO WARRANTIES REGARDING THE INFORMATION HEREIN CONTAINED AND ACCEPTS NO LIABILITY FOR ANY LOSS, DAMAGE OR INJURY ARISING THEREFROM. UNINTENDED RECIPIENTS SHOULD DESTROY OR RETURN EMAIL TO SENDER AND DESIST FROM USE, DISTRIBUTION OR STORAGE. NEW VISION MAKES NO WARRANTIES AS TO THE SAFETY, ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS TIMELY DELIVERY OR TIMELINESS OF ANY EMAIL AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO INTERCEPT OR CHECK OUTGOING AND INCOMING E-MAILS. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Dear Friends, The issue of analysing budget performance is a bit more complex than meets the eye, spanning into multiple variables. Ejiku has hit the nail on the head, this is not something unique to Arua district or even governmental bodies! In utilising budgetary allocations, there are numerous statutory regulations that need to be complied with to the extent that should one thing delay (e.g the responsible staff is on study leave), the entire chain comes to a halt. In addition, I would not be surprised if the Ushs 1.7B or part of it being returned is from a certain donor who have additional guidelines quite often outside the GoU set procedures. Besides, it would be interesting to find out when the funds intended for specific projects were actually disbursed to the district. In my own assessment, this issue points to the fallacy of decentralisation we now enjoy in Uganda that is a start departure from what it was in the mid to late nineties. The fact that instead of empowering local governments to raise funds to support their priorities articulated in their budgets, we could rather subject them to tightly controlled central government disbursements, appointment of accounting officers, rules and regulations is in itself defeating to the concept of decentralisation. However, in all these there is always a place for responsibility for the local leaders that they may need to own up to. So it is wise to assess the whole extent of the problem. Ndugu Xavier Ejoyi On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, peter odama peter.od...@googlemail.comwrote: Dear Colleagues, This is very unfortunate development, it appears the elites and semi elites and the innocent beneficiaries in Arua don't have capacity to utilize this money, but there was no way to defraud this money as such, these monies were sent back as a result. All the local leaders in the district have pay dearly 1st priority the heads in the district, and we need more dossiers to back further argument and concrete defence, therefore we shall definitely reach the societies in Arua for appropriate action. we have been crying the government is not helping, but when she helps, we even don't know why we are helped, this is a mess, and needs urgent corrective measures Odama On 16 June 2010 11:14, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Dear Freinds I have been reading many of your discussions on this net and i have never participated in the discussions, coz i always don't want to discuss on issues where i have very little or no information. members on this particular topic of discussion, i would advice that we go slow in reacting to this matter. we need to understand how and why local governments can not absorb monies sent to them for the intended service delivery in their areas of jurisdiction. We know that these reaons range from late releases to complications in the procurement procedures. Dear freinds we also need to interest our selves in the harsh working condition in Arua under the leadership of Rtd. Major Ibrahim Abiriga where staffs are beaten, jailed and threatened every other time. Freinds remember this financial year Engineer Pario and his three other collugues were jailed and yet this was a period when they were to produce bis documents, inspect and certify works and produce payment certificates among others. these collegues suffered in the hands of police being arrested, released and re arrested this kind of suffering to me is the major couse of non absorption of funds. Friends the law is very clear that when funds are committed they are not to be returned and a local government only needs to seek the authority of the accountant general to use this funds. we only need to find out from the technical wing weather these funds are commited. Bada Fred From: christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, 16 June, 2010 2:36:00 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University is in this years budget (not sure), we are not hearing what is going on, I hope the money wont be returned also. Thanks Christine From: Robert Ejiku ejikurob...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 12:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found
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Dear all, Thanks you for the info on Arua Budget perfirmance 2009/10. I would like to thank Bada Fred for the insight into the possible causes of the unspent balances FY 2009/10. I want to add that where commitments can be ascertained to have been entered into by the Local Government in time and request to spend the unspent balances sent in time to PS/ST MOFPED the unspent balances may not be returned. As long as the accounting officer has attached the required documents for verification , authority will be granted to the District to spent the unspent balances by end of the year. Hopefully Arua has done so and submitted the request to spend the unspent balances. According to the LGFAR 2007, the required documents to enable any LG get authority from PS/ST are; Bank Reconciliation statements for the month of june for the affected account,Cash book extract for the month of june,Certificates of bank account balances,interiment certificates of completion for the works constituting the commitments,Contract agreements,LPOs and invoices were applicable, list of contractors constituting the obligations (with status of payments), procurement reports,contract committee minutes and any other relevant supporting documents for the commitments made prior to end of june. All applications for retention of unspent balances should be approved if the above documents are assembled for verification by the accounting officer of the affected District. Hopefully Arua has applied to retain the unspent funds . The questions we should ask the Secretary of finance, Hon Sam Nyakua and the accounting officer is whether they have applied to retain the unspent balances so that surely our people donot suffer. Otherwise we may surely loose the 1.7 Bn if the regulations regarding unspent balances are not complied with. We may have to interest our selves with the recently passed 2010/11 Arua budget ESTIMATES speech tabled on Monday 14th June 2010 to ascertain whether the council has sent a request to retain the funds. Normally the application for retention of the funds must reach the PS/ST by 25th July following the end of the financial year to which they relate. Otherwise thank you all for your genuine concerns.Our Political leaders must answer and be accountable as to why there were delays in the procurement process since drums for 2011 are being sounded. Tom Aliti ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Hi Christine and members, I have not followed discussions here very closely. However, I got curious about the WN-uni. I suppose those of you closeby are in contact with the persons steering the uni. Otherwise, it might be useful to give make comments from this link as well -- if it works -- http://www.wnu.ac.ug/contacts.html -- still said to be under construction for quite some time now. Since they have placed it there with a please, maybe they do need more heads to join them. Maandera On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University is in this years budget (not sure), we are not hearing what is going on, I hope the money wont be returned also. Thanks Christine -- *From:* Robert Ejiku ejikurob...@gmail.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Wed, June 16, 2010 12:05:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in terms of development, our local leaders are obdurately failing us. what are your comments ladies and gentlemen. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them
