[Wicket-user] wicket CMS type components...
Hello all,As some of you may or may not know, we are the two student who are currently working on our grad project. Our assigment is to create a full-blown CMS for Wicket or at least some components. I was reading some old mails from the mailinglist and a lot of people had ideas and suggestions and some were offering to help and make a group effort out of it. We would really like to hear your ideas and suggestions and if you're willing to help it is also very welcome. greetsTed + Rick - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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why not use a dao layer to abstract the persistence - that way it can also be pluggablefor light weight deployments even saving to filesystem might be enough-IgorOn 8/29/06, Troy MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JackRabbit looks very interesting, I'll have to download and play withit. I'm not convinced it's ideal for every application though, maybe letthe plug-in decide what persistence method it wants/needs?Your other points are well taken as well. I assume there will be a lot of rewrites to fix those issues before anything would be finalized.TroyOn Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:39 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote: 4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. http://jackrabbit.apache.org/ looks like a nice implementation of this. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user-Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Sure. What I mean by planning for it, is that people could at least take a look at what you'd need for jsr170 so that you don't design that layer in such a fashion that it shuts you out from jsr170 in the future. Eelco On 8/29/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not use a dao layer to abstract the persistence - that way it can also be pluggable for light weight deployments even saving to filesystem might be enough -Igor On 8/29/06, Troy MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JackRabbit looks very interesting, I'll have to download and play with it. I'm not convinced it's ideal for every application though, maybe let the plug-in decide what persistence method it wants/needs? Your other points are well taken as well. I assume there will be a lot of rewrites to fix those issues before anything would be finalized. Troy On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:39 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote: 4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. http://jackrabbit.apache.org/ looks like a nice implementation of this. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Though... in this case you might even argue that directly using jsr170 is just perfect as it is an abstraction for storage itself. Why add another layer to something that is already specced and pluggable. Eelco On 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. What I mean by planning for it, is that people could at least take a look at what you'd need for jsr170 so that you don't design that layer in such a fashion that it shuts you out from jsr170 in the future. Eelco On 8/29/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not use a dao layer to abstract the persistence - that way it can also be pluggable for light weight deployments even saving to filesystem might be enough -Igor On 8/29/06, Troy MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JackRabbit looks very interesting, I'll have to download and play with it. I'm not convinced it's ideal for every application though, maybe let the plug-in decide what persistence method it wants/needs? Your other points are well taken as well. I assume there will be a lot of rewrites to fix those issues before anything would be finalized. Troy On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:39 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote: 4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. http://jackrabbit.apache.org/ looks like a nice implementation of this. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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* Igor Vaynberg: why not use a dao layer to abstract the persistence - that way it can also be pluggable JCR and Jackrabbit rock, I've been using it with Cocoon, and it's great. However I don't think it's a good idea to have an abstraction of the persistence, because: 1) JCR is already an abstraction of a storage API 2) the JCR nodes can have multi-valued properties, and they can also point to other nodes in the repository... That is not so easy to implement in a RDBMS. I'd be glad if Jackrabbit could make its way into Wicket Stuff! -- Jean-Baptiste Quenot aka John Banana Qwerty http://caraldi.com/jbq/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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I would be willing to help work on such a project. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 19:18 -0300, Alexandre Bairos wrote: Im also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts. On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action. i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author a few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more details sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -Igor On 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am considering to develop reusableContent Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- Philip A. Chapman Desktop and Web Application Development: Java, .NET, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MSSQL Linux, Windows 2000, Windows XP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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you mean you already finished bugme and bugeater?-IgorOn 8/29/06, Philip A. Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be willing to help work on such a project. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 19:18 -0300, Alexandre Bairos wrote: I´m also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts. On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action. i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author a few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more details sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -Igor On 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am considering to develop reusableContent Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- Philip A. ChapmanDesktop and Web Application Development:Java, .NET, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MSSQLLinux, Windows 2000, Windows XP -Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Bugeater, is very usable, but could still still be improved, I am sure. I have a few ideas, but am just rolling them around in my head for now. Bugme has stalled. A few friends and I got busy and it's just layed there. I think it'd still be great to get going. CMS is something that I have been very interested in. I'd love to have such a thing, but have avoided building one myself because, as you say, I do have other projects that I work on. Starting up a CMS by myself would take more time than I could give. But to collaborate on a CMS with others That I can do. :-) Besides. Is a software project *ever* finished? On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 11:18 -0700, Igor Vaynberg wrote: you mean you already finished bugme and bugeater? -Igor On 8/29/06, Philip A. Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be willing to help work on such a project. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 19:18 -0300, Alexandre Bairos wrote: I´m also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts. On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action. i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author a few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more details sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -Igor On 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am considering to develop reusable Content Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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I'm also interested, I've been putting of a similar project for a while now and a group effort may help me put the lazy days of Summer behind me:) On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 13:16 -0500, Philip A. Chapman wrote: I would be willing to help work on such a project. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 19:18 -0300, Alexandre Bairos wrote: I´m also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts. On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action. i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author a few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more details sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -Igor On 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am considering to develop reusable Content Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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CMS is something that I have been very interested in. I'd love to have such a thing, but have avoided building one myself because, as you say, I do have other projects that I work on. Starting up a CMS by myself would take more time than I could give. But to collaborate on a CMS with others That I can do. :-) I would also be willing to help. But just to clarify what I meant, I don't want to develop a CMS, but develop CMS components for use in wicket applications. In other words, what I am looking for are components usable in any wicket application with the only dependency being wicket-core (and possibly wicket-auth). Given the wide choice of CMSs out there, it would not make sense to develop yet another CMS. Eelco wrote: I'd be interested in helping out here and there too. A joint effort would be great. Though we should be careful not to let such a project fall in the 'designed by committee' category. That is my fear as well, especially if we would focus on standards such as JSR-170 too much. In my opinion, the focus should be on a good object-oriented design of the components themselves with friendly interfaces, and on keeping it simple. I intend to write a comments component for my application anyway (because I need it), so that could serve as a starting point for further discussions. Or, slightly rephrased, how do we start? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Hi all! I would also be interested in helping out with a Wicket based CMS solution. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, but haven't really made it too far on my own due to time constraints. It's seems like this is a common problem with others, so I definitely like the idea of pooling our resources! Hugh. On 8/29/06, Troy MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also interested, I've been putting of a similar project for a while now and a group effort may help me put the lazy days of Summer behind me:) On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 13:16 -0500, Philip A. Chapman wrote: I would be willing to help work on such a project. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 19:18 -0300, Alexandre Bairos wrote: I´m also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts. On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action. i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author a few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more details sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -Igor On 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am considering to develop reusable Content Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
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I intend to write a comments component for my application anyway (because I need it), so that could serve as a starting point for further discussions. Or, slightly rephrased, how do we start? It should start like: 1) someone should take the lead; 2) start defining use cases, and preferably an example application/ proof of concept based on that; 3) build - discuss - build - discuss - ... ! :) Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Of cource, we wait for our two students to arrive... I'll try to get them involved earlier though, but their contract only starts next week. Martijn On 8/29/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to write a comments component for my application anyway (because I need it), so that could serve as a starting point for further discussions. Or, slightly rephrased, how do we start? It should start like: 1) someone should take the lead; 2) start defining use cases, and preferably an example application/ proof of concept based on that; 3) build - discuss - build - discuss - ... ! :) Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- Download Wicket 1.2.2 now! New Ajax components: Tree, TreeTable and ModalWindow -- http://wicketframework.org - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Throw in JSR-170 in the mix and have some fun... Troy MacNeil wrote: De-lurking twice in one day, rare indeed;) I'm very much in favour of the toolkit with a capable sample application approach though. When I've used PHP I've found that the concept of a plug-in for a PHP CMS is very informal and undefined. If you want to create a file upload plug-in you write a file upload page. You tie it into the rest of the CMS almost as an afterthought. This lack of rigour leads to some very ugly plug-ins code wise, but makes it very easy to write a plug-in or change existing functionality. I think that is why there is such a community and so many available (often overlapping) plug-ins. The Java response to this (JSR-107) has been to create large monolithic CMSs which use template engines to hide some of the complexity. In practise, it makes does make basic templating simple while extending functionality or adding new functionality actually becomes more daunting. I think this would ultimately be just as true of a large CMS using Wicket for presentation as any of the other presentation layers in use. I also think it misses the point. Simplify database access with Hibernate. Simplify the presentation by hiding complex code in components. Ditch templating in favour of some loosely coupled Wicket pages using Wickets own HTML separation. I think you'd end up with something that competes very well with PHP in terms of simplicity and ease of modification while retaining access to the benefits of Java. All this is just my opinion, and a simpler sample application like what I envision could easily grow into a larger CMS with time or co-exist with a more ambitious CMS project. Troy On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 17:24 -0400, Hugh Willson wrote: Hi Erik! I understand your CMS component approach, and it makes a lot of sense. I also, however, do see the benefit of creating a full blown CMS in Wicket. I've used a lot of different open sources CMS', and I really have yet to find one created using Java that I like. PHP holds the crown when it comes to open source CMS' - not because PHP is superior in any way (although it may be in some areas :-), but because of the community surrounding PHP based CMS'. The community is incredible! Third party development for Joomla, Drupal and Typo3 blows my mind! I like writing code in Java, and focusing on really clean OO models. Because of this, I want to use a clean, simple and modular CMS that I can extend easily using Java (and that allows me to take advantage of the enormous amounts of high quality Java libraries available). This is where I see Wicket coming into play - it really helps keep things simple and clean. Oh ya, and it's fun to work with!!! :-) I definitely can see the advantages and situations where the components you've mentioned would come in handy, but I can also see certain situations where a full blown, simple, elegant, and fun to work with CMS would help make our lives easier. Hugh. On 8/29/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CMS is something that I have been very interested in. I'd love to have such a thing, but have avoided building one myself because, as you say, I do have other projects that I work on. Starting up a CMS by myself would take more time than I could give. But to collaborate on a CMS with others That I can do. :-) I would also be willing to help. But just to clarify what I meant, I don't want to develop a CMS, but develop CMS components for use in wicket applications. In other words, what I am looking for are components usable in any wicket application with the only dependency being wicket-core (and possibly wicket-auth). Given the wide choice of CMSs out there, it would not make sense to develop yet another CMS. Eelco wrote: I'd be interested in helping out here and there too. A joint effort would be great. Though we should be careful not to let such a project fall in the 'designed by committee' category. That is my fear as well, especially if we would focus on standards such as JSR-170 too much. In my opinion, the focus should be on a good object-oriented design of the components themselves with friendly interfaces, and on keeping it simple. I intend to write a comments component for my application anyway (because I need it), so that could serve as a starting point for further discussions. Or, slightly rephrased, how do we start? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list
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On 8/29/06, Troy MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: De-lurking twice in one day, rare indeed;) I'm very much in favour of the toolkit with a capable sample application approach though. When I've used PHP I've found that the concept of a plug-in for a PHP CMS is very informal and undefined. If you want to create a file upload plug-in you write a file upload page. You tie it into the rest of the CMS almost as an afterthought. This lack of rigour leads to some very ugly plug-ins code wise, but makes it very easy to write a plug-in or change existing functionality. I think that is why there is such a community and so many available (often overlapping) plug-ins. The Java response to this (JSR-107) has been to create large monolithic CMSs which use template engines to hide some of the complexity. In practise, it makes does make basic templating simple while extending functionality or adding new functionality actually becomes more daunting. I think this would ultimately be just as true of a large CMS using Wicket for presentation as any of the other presentation layers in use. I also think it misses the point. Simplify database access with Hibernate. Simplify the presentation by hiding complex code in components. Ditch templating in favour of some loosely coupled Wicket pages using Wickets own HTML separation. I think you'd end up with something that competes very well with PHP in terms of simplicity and ease of modification while retaining access to the benefits of Java. All this is just my opinion, and a simpler sample application like what I envision could easily grow into a larger CMS with time or co-exist with a more ambitious CMS project. Troy Sounds good to me. My special remarks here would be: 1) Take extra care of scalability. Wicket provides you with tweaking options (like stateless components now) if you need them. A CMS that hosts Wicket components should leave such options open too, and the CMS end-user part should run 'stateless' by default; other parts, that require logging in, wouldn't need this restriction). 2) The basis should be rock solid. Before people would go wild developing all kinds of plugins etc, you want something that works really well (but is still as simple as possible). That's what we tried with Wicket's versions so far, and I hope we did a decent job at that. 3) If plugins are an important part, OSGi (like http://cwiki.apache.org/FELIX/index.html) would be very helpful. This would make it possible to drop in plugins/ components on a running site, and we wouldn't have to built yet another plugin mechanism. 4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. Contrairy to some other JSRs, this JSR has been backed by implementations from the beginning (though personally I'd have loved if that would have moved faster), and it is focussed on functionality especially for CMSses (with nice extra's like WEBDAV access, different deployment models, etc). 5) While we're at it, we could consider portlet support. It helps to - even though it wouldn't be implemented right away - plan for such things so you don't make decisions that'll make it impossible in the future. I think the trick would be to look at these issues in abstraction. Planning for them, and designing the API to fit it wouldn't always mean implementing it. We (or the people that take this task up) could implement something really simple that works without OSGi and JSR 170. But it would be great if such support could be built in later. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. http://jackrabbit.apache.org/ looks like a nice implementation of this. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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JackRabbit looks very interesting, I'll have to download and play with it. I'm not convinced it's ideal for every application though, maybe let the plug-in decide what persistence method it wants/needs? Your other points are well taken as well. I assume there will be a lot of rewrites to fix those issues before anything would be finalized. Troy On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:39 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote: 4) I'm not the greatest standards buff on earth, but in this case, using JSR 170 would make sense imo. http://jackrabbit.apache.org/ looks like a nice implementation of this. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Hi, I am considering to develop reusable Content Management System like components for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently asked questions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted to certain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators would always be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval is required for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by the content itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users). Each component would generate events upon use, allowing other functionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable with Hibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, we could be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170 would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own? Cheers Erik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :)there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action.i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the authora few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more detailssounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -IgorOn 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I am considering to develop reusableContent Management System likecomponents for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently askedquestions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted tocertain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators wouldalways be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval isrequired for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by thecontent itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users).Each component would generate events upon use, allowing otherfunctionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable withHibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, wecould be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own?CheersErik-Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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I´m also interested. Definitely it would be great to coordinate efforts.On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:heh, wicket seems like /the/ framework for writing cms :) there has been a lot of talk but not a whole lot of action.i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the authora few students from Topicus are going to write one as a grad project - martijn has more detailssounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. -IgorOn 8/28/06, Erik Brakkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I am considering to develop reusableContent Management System likecomponents for polls, comments, blogs, news items, frequently askedquestions, and links. Each component would have an interface for users and administrators. Access for regular users would be restricted tocertain roles or totally unrestricted. Access to administrators wouldalways be restricted to certain roles. Whether or not approval isrequired for an item by an administrator would also be configurable. Furthermore, access restrictions could also be narrowed down by thecontent itself. (e.g. only viewable by registered users).Each component would generate events upon use, allowing otherfunctionality to be implemented on top of it (such as notification and statistics). Persistence for components would be pluggable withHibernate as an implementation provided out of the box. Of course, wecould be more ambitious and go directly for JSR-170 but perhaps JSR-170would simply be an implementation of persistence. Does a project like this already exist or should I roll my own?CheersErik-Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author Here's the blog http://www.octonary.com/blog/ sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. I'd be interested in helping out here and there too. A joint effort would be great. Though we should be careful not to let such a project fall in the 'designed by committee' category. Eelco - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Eelco Hillenius wrote: i found this: http://code.google.com/p/cms12/ you might want to get in touch with the author Here's the blog http://www.octonary.com/blog/ sounds like we need to pull the efforts together on this one since there are so many ppl interested. I'd be interested in helping out here and there too. A joint effort would be great. Though we should be careful not to let such a project fall in the 'designed by committee' category. Don't know if I'm off-beam, but using OSGi to give you real-time pluggable bundles would be really cool. Plug in a blog, or a forum, or whatever, without any restarts. I guess you almost need that sort of functionality if you're going to compete with PHP stuff. Regards, Upayavira - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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real-time pluggable bundles Or the Netbeans Runtime Container. http://dvbcentral.sourceforge.net/netbeans-runtime.html - Gustavo. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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i know apache felix (osgi r4/5?) people have done some integration work with wicket.-IgorOn 8/28/06, Gustavo Santucho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: real-time pluggable bundlesOr the Netbeans Runtime Container. http://dvbcentral.sourceforge.net/netbeans-runtime.html-Gustavo.- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Several. For instance http://wiki.ops4j.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=pax:wicket-basics. Read more on http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/OSGi (don't know how up-to-date that is, we had a couple of improvements for classloading the last few versions). Eelco On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know apache felix (osgi r4/5?) people have done some integration work with wicket. -Igor On 8/28/06, Gustavo Santucho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: real-time pluggable bundles Or the Netbeans Runtime Container. http://dvbcentral.sourceforge.net/netbeans-runtime.html - Gustavo. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
