[Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research Policy

[James Salsman]

After careful review of the wiki-research-l archives, I have found that the
original Wikipedia Research Policy, which was announced in April 2010:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2010-April/000955.html

-- at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research -- was modified in 2010
to remove mention of the "Subject Recruitment Approvals Group" (SRAG):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AResearch&action=historysubmit&diff=382382612&oldid=382338985

Presumably this was done because technical features to support the SRAG
had not been, and are still not implemented:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Research&diff=382263699&oldid=382076735

If I am mistaken about this conclusion, please let me know immediately.

Sincerely,
James Salsman

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[Aaron Halfaker]

The RFC bot takes down RFC tags after 30 days have passed.  The editor who
closed the discussion didn't realize this either.  I replied to his concern
with the relevant links to the RFC here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Research#Making_a_policy_rfc
 It was that post that prompted the switch the closing decision from
invalid RFC to valid RFC and policy.

For what it is worth, I tried to advertise this proposed policy as closely
to the recommendations of WP:Policy and WP:RFC as I could.

We'll keep pushing.  Your participation is invaluable.

-Aaron

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Fred Bauder  wrote:

> The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised
> and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.
>
> Fred Bauder
>
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny  wrote:
> >> Bryan Song wrote:
> >>> The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has
> >>> made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English
> >>> Wikipedia.
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming
> >>> weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the
> >>> starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop
> >>> by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
> >>
> >> Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
> >
> > Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As
> > this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
> >
> > The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot
> > down, fortunately :)
> >
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[Bryan Song]

That would be because it came off of RFC last week. It was posted to
RFC in early March, and the RFCbot removes them after 30 days.

One thing I fail to see however is how it was not well
advertised. There were postings to Village Pump (Policy) made during
drafting and when the RFC was posted, as well as my previous postings
to this list informing all of you.

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:32:25 -0600 (MDT), "Fred Bauder"  
said:
> 
> The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well
> advertised and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.
> 
> Fred Bauder
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny 
>> wrote:
>>> Bryan Song wrote:
 The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia
 has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on
 English Wikipedia.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
 
 Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the
 coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and
 the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals
 Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested
 in helping.
>>> 
>>> Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
>> 
>> Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As
>> this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
>> 
>> The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being
>> shot down, fortunately :)
>> 
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[Fred Bauder]

The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised
and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.

Fred Bauder

> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny  wrote:
>> Bryan Song wrote:
>>> The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has
>>> made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English
>>> Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
>>>
>>> Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming
>>> weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the
>>> starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop
>>> by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
>>
>> Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
>
> Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As
> this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
>
> The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot
> down, fortunately :)
>
> -- Phoebe
>
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[phoebe ayers]

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny  wrote:
> Bryan Song wrote:
>> The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has
>> made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
>>
>> Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming
>> weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the
>> starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop
>> by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
>
> Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group

Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As
this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.

The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot
down, fortunately :)

-- Phoebe

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[Piotr Konieczny]

Bryan Song wrote:
> The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has
> made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English
> Wikipedia.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
> 
> Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming
> weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the
> starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop
> by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.

Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group

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"To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on 
one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Piłsudski

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

[Bryan Song]

The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has
made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research

Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming
weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the
starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop
by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.

--
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GroupLens Research
University of Minnesota


On Tue,  2 Mar 2010 12:50:04 -0600 (CST), s...@cs.umn.edu (Bryan T Song) said:
> 
> After several months of work by WikiProject Research, the research
> policy proposal Wikipedia:Research that we announced earlier has
> been posted at RFC:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines
> 
> We invite your participation as we push forward with turning this
> proposal into a Wikipedia policy.
> 
> --
> Bryan Song
> GroupLens Research
> University of Minnesota
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:21:52 -0600 (CST), s...@cs.umn.edu (Bryan T
> Song) said:
> 
>> Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy
>> on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding
>> the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
> 
>> At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group
>> that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way
>> that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
> 
>> The policy proposal can be found at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
> 
>> The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal
>> is being described at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
> 
>> Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia
>> community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and
>> would welcome additional help improving it.
> 
>> Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
>> 
>> --
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy

[Bryan T Song]

After several months of work by WikiProject Research, the research
policy proposal Wikipedia:Research that we announced earlier has been
posted at RFC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines

We invite your participation as we push forward with turning this
proposal into a Wikipedia policy.

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On Tue,  5 Jan 2010 14:21:52 -0600 (CST), s...@cs.umn.edu (Bryan T Song) said:

> Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy
> on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding
> the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.

> At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group
> that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way
> that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.

> The policy proposal can be found at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research

> The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is
> being described at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group

> Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia
> community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and
> would welcome additional help improving it.

> Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
>
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> GroupLens Research
> University of Minnesota
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy

[Bryan T Song]

I would prefer that discussion about the specific content/wording
of the proposed policies be held on their talk pages. The mailing
list is best suited to higher-level meta-discussion.

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:22:15 -0500, James Howison  scribbled:
> 
> Very interesting. Do you intend the discussion to be on this list or
> on the Discussion page?  I've done both :)
> 
> A brief read raised just a few questions in my mind:
> 
> 1.  Seems to be a little conflict between two sentences in the
> Publication section.
> 
> "or it could mean that the results will be submitted to a scholarly
> publication where the papers can be retrieved for free or a minor
> fee." and "Research published only in for-fee publications will not
> be permitted."  Are you intending a distinction between "minor fee"
> and "for-fee"?  Or is it the case that its ok if it goes to a
> "for-fee" publication (of any amount) as long as it is also freely
> available (known as Green Open Access).  One could imagine
> negotiating that with a "for-fee" journal; in fact this policy might
> give us some minor leverage.
> 
> 2.  Has there been any discussion of how to enforce the one year
> provision?  Just "Expect negative consequences if nothing is
> published/ made available"?
> 
> 3.  There wasn't much discussion of how the deliberation process
> would unfold.  Would it be worth elaborating on that?  Perhaps that
> it be done publicly visibly (as much as possible?
> 
> 4.  Would SRAG ask for a copy of the institutional review board
> certification (human subjects review) or perhaps the other way
> around?
> 
> Cheers, James
> 
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 15:21, Bryan T Song wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy
>> on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding
>> the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
>> 
>> At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group
>> that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way
>> that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
>> 
>> The policy proposal can be found at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
>> 
>> The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal
>> is being described at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
>> 
>> Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia
>> community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and
>> would welcome additional help improving it.
>> 
>> Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
>> 
>> --
>> Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy

[James Howison]

Very interesting. Do you intend the discussion to be on this list or  
on the Discussion page?  I've done both :)

A brief read raised just a few questions in my mind:

1.  Seems to be a little conflict between two sentences in the  
Publication section.

"or it could mean that the results will be submitted to a scholarly  
publication where the papers can be retrieved for free or a minor  
fee." and "Research published only in for-fee publications will not be  
permitted."  Are you intending a distinction between "minor fee" and  
"for-fee"?  Or is it the case that its ok if it goes to a "for-fee"  
publication (of any amount) as long as it is also freely available  
(known as Green Open Access).  One could imagine negotiating that with  
a "for-fee" journal; in fact this policy might give us some minor  
leverage.

2.  Has there been any discussion of how to enforce the one year  
provision?  Just "Expect negative consequences if nothing is published/ 
made available"?

3.  There wasn't much discussion of how the deliberation process would  
unfold.  Would it be worth elaborating on that?  Perhaps that it be  
done publicly visibly (as much as possible?

4.  Would SRAG ask for a copy of the institutional review board  
certification (human subjects review) or perhaps the other way around?

Cheers,
James

On Jan 5, 2010, at 15:21, Bryan T Song wrote:

>
> Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research
> policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a
> policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to
> participate in studies.
>
> At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying
> group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much
> the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
>
> The policy proposal can be found at:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
>
> The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal
> is being described at:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
>
> Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia
> community, we would like additional input about the proposal,
> and would welcome additional help improving it.
>
> Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
>
> --
> Bryan Song
> GroupLens Research
> University of Minnesota
>
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[Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy

[Bryan T Song]

Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research
policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a
policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to
participate in studies.

At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying
group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much
the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.

The policy proposal can be found at:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research

The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal
is being described at:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group

Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia
community, we would like additional input about the proposal,
and would welcome additional help improving it.

Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research

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GroupLens Research
University of Minnesota

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research (policy/guidelines) WikiProject Proposal

[Cary Bass]

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Aaron Halfaker wrote:
> A few of the other attendees of WikiSym and I had a long discussion
> about the problems related to interactions between researchers and
> Wikipedians. It seems to me that the conclusion we came to is that the
> vast majority of the problems could be solved through an organized
> effort to build policy and procedures with the Wikipedia community.
> I've written up a proposal
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Research)
> to create a WikiProject to help organize the effort to construct these
> policies and procedures for the English Wikipedia.
>
> The proposal is short (2 paragraphs and a few examples). Please have a
> look if you have or are planning to interact with Wikipedians during
> your research.
>
> Thanks!
> Aaron Halfaker
> GroupLens Research
> University of Minnesota
I note that this proposal has become an official Wikiproject:
 I would
suggest if you had previously added your name to the proposal page,
you should add it to this page as well.

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[Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research (policy/guidelines) WikiProject Proposal

[Aaron Halfaker]

A few of the other attendees of WikiSym and I had a long discussion
about the problems related to interactions between researchers and
Wikipedians.  It seems to me that the conclusion we came to is that the
vast majority of the problems could be solved through an organized
effort to build policy and procedures with the Wikipedia community. 
I've written up a proposal
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Research)
to create a WikiProject to help organize the effort to construct these
policies and procedures for the English Wikipedia.

The proposal is short (2 paragraphs and a few examples).  Please have a
look if you have or are planning to interact with Wikipedians during
your research.

Thanks!
Aaron Halfaker
GroupLens Research
University of Minnesota

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