Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

Cool.

I like to be thorough  ( sameAs:
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/300312303-s ).


I'll post a note on the git repo somewhere with some examples when I get to
it.


Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 4:26 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:

> Tim,
>
> You explained what your problem is
>
> "We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered
> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine
> readable. "
>
> I just explained how to solve it.
>
> And yes, your overkilling. :)
>
> Our http://www.schema.org/sameAs property can be pointed to a dictionary
> definition on the internet, or any other identity that gives more meaning
> to a Thing your trying to describe.  We of course of
> http://schema.org/description as well... even
> http://schema.org/disambiguatingDescription so that you can make your own
> definitions without even having to use sameAs.
>
> -Thad
> +ThadGuidry 
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:22 PM Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
>> SameAs is a property rather than a concept?
>>
>> http://schema.org/sameAs
>>
>> Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than
>> schema.org/Thing with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)...
>>
>> Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term.
>>
>> I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician )
>> which is different to the definition someone might be looking for that
>> means "doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?)
>>
>> I hope that helps explain.  Seemed having some high level schema.org
>> term to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property
>> that said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense
>> to bridge the void?
>>
>> Perhaps overkill...
>>
>> The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and
>> important) in its different meanings as agent.
>> Tim.h.
>>
>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:
>>
>>> Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in
>>> any language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata.
>>>
>>> I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around.
>>> There a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search
>>> on the Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that
>>> list.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thad,

 Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?

 Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?

 Tim.h.

 On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, 
 wrote:

> Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you
> need.
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <
> timothy.holb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.
>>
>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/
>>
>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.
>>
>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.
>>
>> Tim.h.
>>
>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, <
>> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet
>>> stuff; and
>>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english
>>> thesaurus or
>>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
>>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
>>> seem to
>>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source
>>> (rather than
>>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>>>
>>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>>>
>>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>>>
>>>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon,
>>> meet
>>> your need:
>>>
>>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Thad Guidry]

Tim,

You explained what your problem is

"We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered
meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine
readable. "

I just explained how to solve it.

And yes, your overkilling. :)

Our http://www.schema.org/sameAs property can be pointed to a dictionary
definition on the internet, or any other identity that gives more meaning
to a Thing your trying to describe.  We of course of
http://schema.org/description as well... even
http://schema.org/disambiguatingDescription so that you can make your own
definitions without even having to use sameAs.

-Thad
+ThadGuidry 

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:22 PM Timothy Holborn 
wrote:

> SameAs is a property rather than a concept?
>
> http://schema.org/sameAs
>
> Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than schema.org/Thing
> with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)...
>
> Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term.
>
> I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician )
> which is different to the definition someone might be looking for that
> means "doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?)
>
> I hope that helps explain.  Seemed having some high level schema.org term
> to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property that
> said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense to
> bridge the void?
>
> Perhaps overkill...
>
> The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and
> important) in its different meanings as agent.
> Tim.h.
>
> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:
>
>> Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any
>> language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata.
>>
>> I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There
>> a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the
>> Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thad,
>>>
>>> Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?
>>>
>>> Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?
>>>
>>> Tim.h.
>>>
>>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you
 need.

 On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn 
 wrote:

> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.
>
> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/
>
> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.
>
> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.
>
> Tim.h.
>
> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, <
> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet
>> stuff; and
>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english
>> thesaurus or
>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
>> seem to
>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source
>> (rather than
>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>>
>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>>
>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>>
>>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
>> your need:
>>
>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

SameAs is a property rather than a concept?

http://schema.org/sameAs

Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than schema.org/Thing
with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)...

Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term.

I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician ) which
is different to the definition someone might be looking for that means
"doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?)

I hope that helps explain.  Seemed having some high level schema.org term
to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property that
said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense to bridge
the void?

Perhaps overkill...

The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and
important) in its different meanings as agent.
Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:

> Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any
> language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata.
>
> I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There
> a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the
> Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list.
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
>> Thad,
>>
>> Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?
>>
>> Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?
>>
>> Tim.h.
>>
>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you
>>> need.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.

 Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/

 The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.

 Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.

 Tim.h.

 On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, <
 a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;
> and
> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english
> thesaurus or
> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
> seem to
> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source
> (rather than
> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>
> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>
>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>
>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
> your need:
>
>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Thad Guidry]

Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any
language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata.

I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There a
main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the
Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn 
wrote:

> Thad,
>
> Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?
>
> Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?
>
> Tim.h.
>
> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:
>
>> Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.
>>>
>>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/
>>>
>>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.
>>>
>>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.
>>>
>>> Tim.h.
>>>
>>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
 wrote:

 > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;
 and
 > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus
 or
 > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
 > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
 seem to
 > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source
 (rather than
 > simply the use of RDF for SEO).

 We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary

  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
 your need:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF

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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

Thad,

Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?

Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?

Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry,  wrote:

> Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need.
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.
>>
>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/
>>
>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.
>>
>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.
>>
>> Tim.h.
>>
>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;
>>> and
>>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus
>>> or
>>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
>>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
>>> seem to
>>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source
>>> (rather than
>>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>>>
>>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>>>
>>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>>>
>>>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
>>> your need:
>>>
>>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Thad Guidry]

Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn 
wrote:

> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.
>
> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/
>
> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.
>
> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.
>
> Tim.h.
>
> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, 
> wrote:
>
>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem
>> to
>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather
>> than
>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>>
>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>>
>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>>
>>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
>> your need:
>>
>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary.

Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/

The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.

Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration.

Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, 
wrote:

> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
> > dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem
> to
> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather
> than
> > simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>
> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:
>
>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary
>
>  that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
> your need:
>
>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Andy Mabbett]

On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn  wrote:

> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than
> simply the use of RDF for SEO).

We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary

 that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
your need:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF

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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Vladimir Alexiev]

There is an rdf representation of wiktionary. Search for "linguistic linked
data" and LEMON

On Jul 9, 2017 11:31, "Amirouche"  wrote:

>
>
> Le 09/07/2017 à 08:53, Timothy Holborn a écrit :
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  I
>> couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet.  FWIW: i find this useful
>> http://osds.openlinksw.com/
>>
>> Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists
>> in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone.
>>
>
> I think that's the purpose of the 'wiktionary in wikidata' project. I
> started working on importing data from wiktionaries but stopped for some
> reasons.. Otherwise said, it's not readily available.
>
>
>> thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;)
>>
>> Tim.
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase  p...@metaphacts.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Timothy,
>>
>> have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
>> http://wordnet.princeton.edu
>> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu
>>
>> Here is your example “identity”:
>> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet
>>> stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an
>>> english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found
>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
>>> seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological
>>> source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>>>
>>> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
>>>
>>> Project Purpose
>>> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the
>>> purpose of ontological reuse on the web.
>>>
>>> PROBLEM
>>> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human
>>> considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not
>>> necessarily machine readable.
>>>
>>> For Example:  "identity".
>>>
>>> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to
>>> have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts
>>> or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that
>>> of others.   HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which
>>> can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to
>>> say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to
>>> say, they're all consumers.
>>>
>>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity
>>>
>>> This can be further clarified by looking at the different
>>> meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus:
>>> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity
>>>
>>> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness
>>> could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF
>>> dictionary resource.
>>>
>>> SOLUTION
>>> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is
>>> machine-readable.  It makes sense that this may best be done with
>>> wiki technology.
>>>
>>> FEATURES
>>> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the
>>> english language and related dialects. This is expected to
>>> include works in adding latin predicates.
>>> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including
>>> unique identifiers for different uses of the same term
>>> (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of
>>> that term).
>>> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output
>>> in a number of serialisations.
>>> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the
>>> site.
>>>
>>> PRODUCTION METHOD
>>> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to
>>> ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to
>>> populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format;
>>> that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.
>>>
>>> USES
>>> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may
>>> be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to
>>> ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a
>>> basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the
>>> language used.
>>>
>>> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better
>>> orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing
>>>   rather than a 'language' or other form
>>> of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've
>>> missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps
>>> people have been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps 

Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Amirouche]

Le 09/07/2017 à 08:53, Timothy Holborn a écrit :

Hi Peter,

Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  
I couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet.  FWIW: i find this useful 
http://osds.openlinksw.com/


Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what 
exists in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to 
take-on alone.


I think that's the purpose of the 'wiktionary in wikidata' project. I 
started working on importing data from wiktionaries but stopped for some 
reasons.. Otherwise said, it's not readily available.




thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;)

Tim.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase > wrote:


Hi Timothy,

have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
http://wordnet.princeton.edu
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu

Here is your example “identity”:
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n

Cheers,
Peter


On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn
> wrote:

Hi,

I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet
stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an
english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't
seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological
source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO).

thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,

Project Purpose
To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the
purpose of ontological reuse on the web.

PROBLEM
We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human
considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not
necessarily machine readable.

For Example:  "identity".

When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to
have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts
or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that
of others.   HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which
can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to
say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to
say, they're all consumers.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity

This can be further clarified by looking at the different
meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus:
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity

I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness
could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF
dictionary resource.

SOLUTION
Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is
machine-readable.  It makes sense that this may best be done with
wiki technology.

FEATURES
- The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the
english language and related dialects. This is expected to
include works in adding latin predicates.
- The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including
unique identifiers for different uses of the same term
(supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of
that term).
- The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output
in a number of serialisations.
- Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the
site.

PRODUCTION METHOD
It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to
ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to
populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format;
that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.

USES
For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may
be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to
ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a
basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the
language used.

I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better
orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing
  rather than a 'language' or other form
of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've
missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps
people have been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers
exist, that i'm not aware of...

Timothy Holborn.
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 17:00 Peter Haase  wrote:

> Hi Timothy,
>
> > On 9. Jul 2017, at 08:53, Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  I
> couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet.
>
> WordNet RDF supports content negotiation:
> curl -H "Accept: application/n-triples"
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
> curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml"
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
>
> There is also a download link for the entire data set from
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu to
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31.nt.gz
>
> Awesome.  thanks again...


> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
> > FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/
> >
> > Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what
> exists in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on
> alone.
> >
> > thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;)
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase  wrote:
> > Hi Timothy,
> >
> > have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
> > http://wordnet.princeton.edu
> > http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu
> >
> > Here is your example “identity”:
> > http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> >> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;
> and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus
> or dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather
> than simply the use of RDF for SEO).
> >>
> >> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
> >>
> >> Project Purpose
> >> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose
> of ontological reuse on the web.
> >>
> >> PROBLEM
> >> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human
> considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily
> machine readable.
> >>
> >> For Example:  "identity".
> >>
> >> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the
> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which
> to interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER,
> identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for
> organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my
> website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers.
> >>
> >> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity
> >>
> >> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings
> provided to the same word via a thesaurus:
> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity
> >>
> >> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could
> be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.
> >>
> >> SOLUTION
> >> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It
> makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology.
> >>
> >> FEATURES
> >> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english
> language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding
> latin predicates.
> >> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique
> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension
> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
> >> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a
> number of serialisations.
> >> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
> >>
> >> PRODUCTION METHOD
> >> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest
> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the
> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered,
> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.
> >>
> >> USES
> >> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be
> further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties
> are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common
> understanding of the meaning provided to the language used.
> >>
> >> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated
> towards the concept of schema.org/thing  rather than a 'language' or
> other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  Perhaps i've
> missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps people have
> been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not
> aware of...
> >>
> >> Timothy Holborn.
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Peter Haase]

Hi Timothy,

> On 9. Jul 2017, at 08:53, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  I 
> couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet. 

WordNet RDF supports content negotiation:
curl -H "Accept: application/n-triples" 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n

There is also a download link for the entire data set from 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu to http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31.nt.gz

Cheers,
Peter


> FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/ 
> 
> Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists in 
> Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone. 
> 
> thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) 
> 
> Tim. 
> 
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase  wrote:
> Hi Timothy,
> 
> have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
> http://wordnet.princeton.edu
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu
> 
> Here is your example “identity”:
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
>> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and 
>> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or 
>> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found 
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to 
>> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than 
>> simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>> 
>> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
>> 
>> Project Purpose
>> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of 
>> ontological reuse on the web.
>> 
>> PROBLEM
>> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered 
>> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine 
>> readable. 
>> 
>> For Example:  "identity".
>> 
>> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the 
>> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to 
>> interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER, identity 
>> can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as 
>> website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' 
>> that is to say, they're all consumers.  
>> 
>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity 
>> 
>> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided 
>> to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity 
>> 
>> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be 
>> made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.  
>> 
>> SOLUTION
>> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It makes 
>> sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. 
>> 
>> FEATURES
>> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english 
>> language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding 
>> latin predicates.
>> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique 
>> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension 
>> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
>> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number 
>> of serialisations.
>> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
>> 
>> PRODUCTION METHOD
>> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest 
>> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the 
>> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, 
>> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. 
>> 
>> USES
>> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further 
>> clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are 
>> communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding 
>> of the meaning provided to the language used.
>> 
>> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards 
>> the concept of schema.org/thing  rather than a 'language' or other form of 
>> predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  Perhaps i've missed something 
>> entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps people have been thinking about 
>> it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of...  
>> 
>> Timothy Holborn.
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

Hi Peter,

Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  I
couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet.  FWIW: i find this useful
http://osds.openlinksw.com/

Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists
in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone.

thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;)

Tim.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase  wrote:

> Hi Timothy,
>
> have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
> http://wordnet.princeton.edu
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu
>
> Here is your example “identity”:
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather
> than simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>
> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
>
> Project Purpose
> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of
> ontological reuse on the web.
>
> PROBLEM
> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered
> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine
> readable.
>
> For Example:  "identity".
>
> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the
> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which
> to interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER,
> identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for
> organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my
> website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers.
>
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity
>
> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings
> provided to the same word via a thesaurus:
> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity
>
> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be
> made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.
>
> SOLUTION
> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It
> makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology.
>
> FEATURES
> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english
> language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding
> latin predicates.
> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique
> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension
> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a
> number of serialisations.
> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
>
> PRODUCTION METHOD
> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest
> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the
> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered,
> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.
>
> USES
> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further
> clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are
> communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding
> of the meaning provided to the language used.
>
> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated
> towards the concept of schema.org/thing  rather than a 'language' or
> other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  Perhaps i've
> missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps people have
> been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not
> aware of...
>
> Timothy Holborn.
>
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Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Peter Haase]

Hi Timothy,

have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
http://wordnet.princeton.edu
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu

Here is your example “identity”:
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n 


Cheers,
Peter

> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and 
> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or 
> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found 
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page 
>  but it didn't seem to 
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than 
> simply the use of RDF for SEO).
> 
> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
> 
> Project Purpose
> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of 
> ontological reuse on the web.
> 
> PROBLEM
> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered 
> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine 
> readable. 
> 
> For Example:  "identity".
> 
> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the 
> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to 
> interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER, identity can 
> also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as 
> website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' 
> that is to say, they're all consumers.  
> 
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity 
>  
> 
> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided 
> to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity 
>  
> 
> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made 
> via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.  
> 
> SOLUTION
> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It makes 
> sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. 
> 
> FEATURES
> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language 
> and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin 
> predicates.
> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique 
> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension 
> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number 
> of serialisations.
> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
> 
> PRODUCTION METHOD
> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest 
> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the 
> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, 
> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. 
> 
> USES
> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further 
> clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are 
> communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of 
> the meaning provided to the language used.
> 
> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards 
> the concept of schema.org/thing   rather than a 
> 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  
> Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps 
> people have been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that 
> i'm not aware of...  
> 
> Timothy Holborn.
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[Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Timothy Holborn]

Hi,

I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to
have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather
than simply the use of RDF for SEO).

thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,

Project Purpose
To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of
ontological reuse on the web.

PROBLEM
We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered
meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine
readable.

For Example:  "identity".

When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the
meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which
to interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER,
identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for
organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my
website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity

This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided
to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity

I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be
made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.

SOLUTION
Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It
makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology.

FEATURES
- The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english
language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding
latin predicates.
- The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique
identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension
of the differentiation in the use of that term).
- The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number
of serialisations.
- Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.

PRODUCTION METHOD
It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest
existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the
system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered,
edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.

USES
For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further
clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are
communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding
of the meaning provided to the language used.

I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated
towards the concept of schema.org/thing  rather than a 'language' or other
form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  Perhaps i've missed
something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps people have been
thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware
of...

Timothy Holborn.
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