[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Stacy Allison-Cassin]

Hello, all.
I also agree with Beat. I do not find this list to be overwhelmed with useless 
content. I appreciate various kinds of calls for contributions and overly 
strict rules and moderation are unnecessary.

I also agree with Peter in that I don’t think an aggressive stance on the 
perception of the openness of the end product is necessary. Oftentimes one can 
make post-prints or other forms of the publications or presentations available 
in on an open platform and reading a particular call without nuance can 
unnecessarily limit research and conversation.

I trust many on this list are able to make informed choices regarding whether 
something aligns with the “values” and needs of the Wikidata and Wikimedia 
community at large in regards to both the appropriateness of the venue and in 
relation to OA.

Stacy

Stacy Allison-Cassin, PhD
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From: David McDonell 
Date: Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?
I agree with Beat’s sentiments. In the grand scheme of things, the noise 
factor is fairly low.


—David

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Estermann Beat 
mailto:beat.esterm...@bfh.ch>> wrote:
Dear Jan,

Personally, I haven’t been particularly annoyed by the amount of “spam” to this 
list.
To me, a “reactive” moderation approach is absolutely fine to me. List admins 
could just let senders know after the fact that off-topic messages are not 
welcome.
Senders known to post mainly unrelated stuff can be put on individual 
moderation.
So, the current practice as you describe it, looks perfect to me.

Cheers,
Beat



From: Jan Ainali mailto:ainali@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 18:21
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
mailto:wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

Beat, do you suggest that all messages should be moderated?

Because right now it is not, and I was hoping that we could keep like that and 
just ask people to not spam the list (and if they do, put them individually on 
moderation).

Jan Ainali


Den sön 19 sep. 2021 kl 18:14 skrev Estermann Beat 
mailto:beat.esterm...@bfh.ch>>:
Dear all,

If there is an obvious thematic link to the topic of the list, then let the 
message through; if not, discard it; if in doubt, ask the sender to clarify the 
link.

This should go for any message sent to the list; there is no need for any 
specific rules regarding CfPs, event announcements, etc.

My 2 cents,
Beat


From: Nicolas VIGNERON 
mailto:vigneron.nico...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 14:09
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
mailto:wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

Hi,

Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least some 
clear rules to avoid these spam.

My 2 cents:
An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this 
mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short timespan. 
We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to blame this 
person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and it's bad 
communication).
Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is 
related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we 
shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] 
mailto:martinellil...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
Back on point, please.

In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?

L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[David McDonell]

I agree with Beat’s sentiments. In the grand scheme of things, the noise
factor is fairly low.


—David

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Estermann Beat 
wrote:

> Dear Jan,
>
>
>
> Personally, I haven’t been particularly annoyed by the amount of “spam” to
> this list.
>
> To me, a “reactive” moderation approach is absolutely fine to me. List
> admins could just let senders know after the fact that off-topic messages
> are not welcome.
>
> Senders known to post mainly unrelated stuff can be put on individual
> moderation.
>
> So, the current practice as you describe it, looks perfect to me.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jan Ainali 
> *Sent:* Sonntag, 19. September 2021 18:21
> *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project <
> wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Subject:* [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?
>
>
>
> Beat, do you suggest that all messages should be moderated?
>
>
>
> Because right now it is not, and I was hoping that we could keep like that
> and just ask people to not spam the list (and if they do, put them
> individually on moderation).
>
>
>
> Jan Ainali
>
>
>
>
>
> Den sön 19 sep. 2021 kl 18:14 skrev Estermann Beat  >:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> If there is an obvious thematic link to the topic of the list, then let
> the message through; if not, discard it; if in doubt, ask the sender to
> clarify the link.
>
>
>
> This should go for any message sent to the list; there is no need for any
> specific rules regarding CfPs, event announcements, etc.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nicolas VIGNERON 
> *Sent:* Sonntag, 19. September 2021 14:09
> *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project <
> wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Subject:* [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least
> some clear rules to avoid these spam.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this
> mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short
> timespan. We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to
> blame this person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and
> it's bad communication).
>
> Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is
> related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we
> shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).
>
>
>
> Cheers, ~nicolas
>
>
>
> Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] <
> martinellil...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Back on point, please.
>
> In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
> set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?
>
> L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Estermann Beat]

Dear Jan,

Personally, I haven’t been particularly annoyed by the amount of “spam” to this 
list.
To me, a “reactive” moderation approach is absolutely fine to me. List admins 
could just let senders know after the fact that off-topic messages are not 
welcome.
Senders known to post mainly unrelated stuff can be put on individual 
moderation.

So, the current practice as you describe it, looks perfect to me.

Cheers,
Beat



From: Jan Ainali 
Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 18:21
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

Beat, do you suggest that all messages should be moderated?

Because right now it is not, and I was hoping that we could keep like that and 
just ask people to not spam the list (and if they do, put them individually on 
moderation).

Jan Ainali


Den sön 19 sep. 2021 kl 18:14 skrev Estermann Beat 
mailto:beat.esterm...@bfh.ch>>:
Dear all,

If there is an obvious thematic link to the topic of the list, then let the 
message through; if not, discard it; if in doubt, ask the sender to clarify the 
link.

This should go for any message sent to the list; there is no need for any 
specific rules regarding CfPs, event announcements, etc.

My 2 cents,
Beat


From: Nicolas VIGNERON 
mailto:vigneron.nico...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 14:09
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
mailto:wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

Hi,

Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least some 
clear rules to avoid these spam.

My 2 cents:
An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this 
mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short timespan. 
We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to blame this 
person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and it's bad 
communication).
Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is 
related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we 
shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] 
mailto:martinellil...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
Back on point, please.

In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?

L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Jan Ainali]

Beat, do you suggest that all messages should be moderated?

Because right now it is not, and I was hoping that we could keep like that
and just ask people to not spam the list (and if they do, put them
individually on moderation).

Jan Ainali


Den sön 19 sep. 2021 kl 18:14 skrev Estermann Beat :

> Dear all,
>
>
>
> If there is an obvious thematic link to the topic of the list, then let
> the message through; if not, discard it; if in doubt, ask the sender to
> clarify the link.
>
>
>
> This should go for any message sent to the list; there is no need for any
> specific rules regarding CfPs, event announcements, etc.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nicolas VIGNERON 
> *Sent:* Sonntag, 19. September 2021 14:09
> *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project <
> wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Subject:* [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least
> some clear rules to avoid these spam.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this
> mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short
> timespan. We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to
> blame this person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and
> it's bad communication).
>
> Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is
> related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we
> shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).
>
>
>
> Cheers, ~nicolas
>
>
>
> Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] <
> martinellil...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Back on point, please.
>
> In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
> set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?
>
> L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Estermann Beat]

Dear all,

If there is an obvious thematic link to the topic of the list, then let the 
message through; if not, discard it; if in doubt, ask the sender to clarify the 
link.

This should go for any message sent to the list; there is no need for any 
specific rules regarding CfPs, event announcements, etc.

My 2 cents,
Beat


From: Nicolas VIGNERON 
Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 14:09
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
Subject: [Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

Hi,

Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least some 
clear rules to avoid these spam.

My 2 cents:
An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this 
mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short timespan. 
We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to blame this 
person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and it's bad 
communication).
Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is 
related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we 
shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] 
mailto:martinellil...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
Back on point, please.

In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?

L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Maybe not a full ban (or maybe, I wouldn't be against it) but at least some
clear rules to avoid these spam.

My 2 cents:
An example of mail that should absolutely be avoided (and not just on this
mailing list) is when a similar mail is sent several times in a short
timespan. We had almost the same mail sent in 2 days this week ! (not to
blame this person in particular, this is not the first time it happens and
it's bad communication).
Also, senders should strive to make an effort to tell us how the call is
related and/or could benefit to/from Wikidata (very often it's unclear, we
shouldn't have to guess why we are receiving these calls).

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le dim. 19 sept. 2021 à 12:57, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] <
martinellil...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Back on point, please.
>
> In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
> set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?
>
> L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Peter Patel-Schneider]

It is a bit unclear what the policy of this mailing list is.  All that
I can find is from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Mailing_list

1. Wikidata - Discussion list for the Wikidata project.

This doesn't provide much guidance.


Before determining the policy for CfPs it appears to me that there
should be a better determination of what posts are acceptable and
unacceptable in general.

My view is that posts to the mailing list should have a connection to
Wikidata.  This would include, for example, CfPs for venues that are
about Wikidata or that cover Wikidata.  (So WikidataCon is in; HIS'21
is out; NaBIC 2021 is out; IAS 2021 is out; the JWS special issue on
community-based KBs and KGs is in; IBICA'21 is out.)  I would not
require that venues are free access (as that would rule out almost
every conference). 

But who is going to bell this cat?


peter



On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 12:56 +0200, Luca Martinelli [Sannita] wrote:
> Back on point, please.
> 
> In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
> set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?
> 
> L.

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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Peter Patel-Schneider]

On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 13:41 +0300, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Il 19/09/21 13:10, Peter Patel-Schneider ha scritto:
> > "In accordance with funding body requirements, Elsevier does
> > offer alternative open access publishing options. Visit our open
> > access
> > page for full information."
> 
> I did read it, and it says "This journal has an embargo period of 24 
> months". Of course one can just ignore such abusive requests and
> archive 
> anyway under a cc-by license the so-called preprint, which will be 99 %
> the same thing, but authors may not know that. Advertising such
> journals 
> on this mailing list might be appropriate if the poster explains how to
> ignore abusive requests from the publisher.

Also from
https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-web-semantics/1570-8268/open-access-options

  Details on gold open access articles
  User rights

  All articles published gold open access will be immediately and 
  permanently free for everyone to read and download. 

It thus appears to me that there is no embargo for these papers.

My understanding, although this should be confirmed with the journal,
is that anyone can pay the open access fee and then the published
version of their paper will open access immediately upon publication. 
It further appears to me that authors funded by a funder that
subscribes to Plan S principles will have their funder pay the free.

> 
> In the specific case, some exceptions are admitted by the publisher
> for 
> Plan S compliance but only to certain authors funded by certain
> funders. 
> The result is a very complicated situation 
>  and a very low open 
> access rate of some 20 % . I don't
> mean to single out JWS as particularly egregious: this is typical of 
> most venues controlled by closed access publishers (including ACM,
> IEEE 
> etc.). I only mentioned JWS because it was recently advertised on
> this 
> list (and Wiktionary-l).

I see that the v2.sherpa.ac.uk page indicates that submitted versions
of paper have no restrictions applied by the journal.  It appears to me
that this allows authors of any paper in the journal to make their
paper available under terms that satify the Wikidata goals, even to the
point of making the version available under a CC0 license.\

> I don't see any benefit in using Wikimedia properties to advertise 
> for-profit endeavours which are clearly incompatible with the
> Wikimedia 
> mission and values, as well as Wikidata's very reason of existence.
> The 
> anti-OA venues usually have enough marketing power to get known
> without 
> our help.

My point here is not to defend the publisher of the journal but to
argue that the journal might not be "bad".

peter


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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Luca Martinelli [Sannita]]

Back on point, please.

In regards to calls for papers, do we want to ban them altogether, to
set standards to allow some of them, or leave them be as they are now?

L.
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Il 19/09/21 13:10, Peter Patel-Schneider ha scritto:

"In accordance with funding body requirements, Elsevier does
offer alternative open access publishing options. Visit our open access
page for full information."


I did read it, and it says "This journal has an embargo period of 24 
months". Of course one can just ignore such abusive requests and archive 
anyway under a cc-by license the so-called preprint, which will be 99 % 
the same thing, but authors may not know that. Advertising such journals 
on this mailing list might be appropriate if the poster explains how to 
ignore abusive requests from the publisher.


In the specific case, some exceptions are admitted by the publisher for 
Plan S compliance but only to certain authors funded by certain funders. 
The result is a very complicated situation 
 and a very low open 
access rate of some 20 % . I don't 
mean to single out JWS as particularly egregious: this is typical of 
most venues controlled by closed access publishers (including ACM, IEEE 
etc.). I only mentioned JWS because it was recently advertised on this 
list (and Wiktionary-l).


I don't see any benefit in using Wikimedia properties to advertise 
for-profit endeavours which are clearly incompatible with the Wikimedia 
mission and values, as well as Wikidata's very reason of existence. The 
anti-OA venues usually have enough marketing power to get known without 
our help.


Il 19/09/21 13:24, Dan Brickley ha scritto:
> I guess refining policing wiki rules is what some folks do for fun around
> here, so maybe I should switch to listening mode at this point…

Personally I found everyone's contributions to this discussion useful so 
far. The most effective policy will be one which enjoys consensus among 
researchers and wiki contributors alike.


Federico
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Dan Brickley]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 11:11, Peter Patel-Schneider 
wrote:

> On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 12:17 +0300, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > The Wikidata community also can't benefit from those publications
> > unless
> > they're made (libre) open access, so I think it would be fair to
> > require
> > all the papers will be OA (preferably) or explaining how the authors
> > can
> > archive them (for free) under a free license (libre green OA) à la:
> > https://www.coalition-s.org/rights-retention-strategy/
> > https://cyber.harvard.edu/hoap/How_to_make_your_own_work_open_access
>
> I think this is too strong.  There is no reason that the Wikidata
> community cannot benefit from publications in venues that are not open
> access.  Of course open access makes publications more accessible and
> more in line with Wikidata goals but to my mind a publication that is
> not open access can provide a benefit to the Wikidata community.


While "can't benefit from those publications" over-states the case,
choosing to allow (contextualized, appropriate, etc.) CfPs associated with
events/publications that are in line with Wikidata goals does make sense.
Giving a positive nudge and benefit to likeminded efforts seems fine.

The challenge is that this isn't a strict boolean (eg exclusive elite
expensive events with open proceedings, or more inclusive/accessible
participation but old-style publication…), and policing those grey areas is
work for someone.

I guess refining policing wiki rules is what some folks do for fun around
here, so maybe I should switch to listening mode at this point…

Dan



>
> >  From a search  it's easy to find
> > good and bad examples. Bad is
> > e.g.
> https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-web-semantics/1570-8268/guide-for-authors
> > >
> > (claims embargos and all sorts of restrictions), rather good is e.g.
> > 
> > ( states CC-BY).
>
> I think that you should have searched further and found out more about
> the open access policy of the Journal of Web Semantics.  In
>
> https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-web-semantics/1570-8268/open-access-options
> there is "In accordance with funding body requirements, Elsevier does
> offer alternative open access publishing options. Visit our open access
> page for full information."
>
> > Federico
>
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Peter Patel-Schneider]

On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 12:17 +0300, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

[...]

> The Wikidata community also can't benefit from those publications
> unless 
> they're made (libre) open access, so I think it would be fair to
> require 
> all the papers will be OA (preferably) or explaining how the authors
> can 
> archive them (for free) under a free license (libre green OA) à la:
> https://www.coalition-s.org/rights-retention-strategy/
> https://cyber.harvard.edu/hoap/How_to_make_your_own_work_open_access

I think this is too strong.  There is no reason that the Wikidata
community cannot benefit from publications in venues that are not open
access.  Of course open access makes publications more accessible and
more in line with Wikidata goals but to my mind a publication that is
not open access can provide a benefit to the Wikidata community.

>  From a search  it's easy to find 
> good and bad examples. Bad is
> e.g.https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-web-semantics/1570-8268/guide-for-authors
> >
> (claims embargos and all sorts of restrictions), rather good is e.g. 
>  
> ( states CC-BY).

I think that you should have searched further and found out more about
the open access policy of the Journal of Web Semantics.  In
https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-web-semantics/1570-8268/open-access-options
there is "In accordance with funding body requirements, Elsevier does
offer alternative open access publishing options. Visit our open access
page for full information."

> Federico

peter

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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Il 19/09/21 11:10, Jan Ainali ha scritto:

I would be okay with them if the person mailing introduced it with a
sentence or two why they believe it to be specifically interesting for the
Wikidata community.


I agree.

The Wikidata community also can't benefit from those publications unless 
they're made (libre) open access, so I think it would be fair to require 
that the announcements include a mention or link clearly showing that 
all the papers will be OA (preferably) or explaining how the authors can 
archive them (for free) under a free license (libre green OA) à la:

https://www.coalition-s.org/rights-retention-strategy/
https://cyber.harvard.edu/hoap/How_to_make_your_own_work_open_access

From a search  it's easy to find 
good and bad examples. Bad is e.g. 
 
(claims embargos and all sorts of restrictions), rather good is e.g. 
 
( states CC-BY).


Recently I've started nudging frequent posters who neglect to explain 
how a CfP is relevant to the list. Most do not respond, so in practice 
the only option is placing them on moderation.


If there are no objections, I'd also like to experiment with Mailman 
topics. We could place all obvious CfP in their own topic, and 
subscribers would then be able to set their preferences to not receive 
them. A more drastic alternative would be to discard all such messages 
as spam, but that might end up having quite some collateral damage.


Federico
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Antonin Delpeuch (lists)]

I agree with you, Jan!

Antonin

On 19/09/2021 10:10, Jan Ainali wrote:
> I find all these academic call for papers/abstracts/submissions emails
> on this mailing list a bit spammy. 
> 
> I would be okay with them if the person mailing introduced it with a
> sentence or two why they believe it to be specifically interesting for
> the Wikidata community. 
> 
> Am I just grumpy and should delete and ignore, or do you too think we
> should introduce some guidelines for this?
> 
> /Jan Ainali
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Dan Brickley]

Re-reading a second after hitting send, I realise my misinterpretation of
these conclusions, which were not jumbled. The result was that one list is
more tolerant of certain cfps, the other is no-cfps. Apologies for the
extra noise.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 09:38, Dan Brickley  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 09:18, Jan Ainali  wrote:
>
>> I find all these academic call for papers/abstracts/submissions emails on
>> this mailing list a bit spammy.
>>
>> I would be okay with them if the person mailing introduced it with a
>> sentence or two why they believe it to be specifically interesting for the
>> Wikidata community.
>>
>> Am I just grumpy and should delete and ignore, or do you too think we
>> should introduce some guidelines for this?
>>
>
> We had this debate on some w3c lists,
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2016Mar/0108.html
>
> compromise-conclusion:
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2016May/0032.html
>
> (the posts jumble up names of 2 related lists but the result was same
> onboth)
>
> """ Following that survey, the majority view is that:
>
> 1. CfPs are not welcome on this (public-...@w3.org 
> )
>  list.
>
> 2. *Some* CfPs are tolerable on semantic-...@w3.org 
> ,
>  especially if the
> string '[CfP]' appears in the subject line (for personal filtering).
>
> I will write to the semantic-web list separately but for this list the
> rule is simple:
>
> Calls for participation are not allowed on this list.
>
> No exceptions.
>
> None.
>
> This is in line with other lists maintained by W3C that do not allow
> such posts.
>
> Any future calls for participation posted to this list will be treated
> as spam"""
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> /Jan Ainali
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[Wikidata] Re: Change list policy for call for papers postings?

[Dan Brickley]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 09:18, Jan Ainali  wrote:

> I find all these academic call for papers/abstracts/submissions emails on
> this mailing list a bit spammy.
>
> I would be okay with them if the person mailing introduced it with a
> sentence or two why they believe it to be specifically interesting for the
> Wikidata community.
>
> Am I just grumpy and should delete and ignore, or do you too think we
> should introduce some guidelines for this?
>

We had this debate on some w3c lists,

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2016Mar/0108.html

compromise-conclusion:

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2016May/0032.html

(the posts jumble up names of 2 related lists but the result was same
onboth)

""" Following that survey, the majority view is that:


1. CfPs are not welcome on this (public-...@w3.org
)
list.

2. *Some* CfPs are tolerable on semantic-...@w3.org
,
especially if the
string '[CfP]' appears in the subject line (for personal filtering).

I will write to the semantic-web list separately but for this list the
rule is simple:

Calls for participation are not allowed on this list.

No exceptions.

None.

This is in line with other lists maintained by W3C that do not allow
such posts.

Any future calls for participation posted to this list will be treated
as spam"""






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