Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Jane Darnell
OK Andy  Gerard, cut it out! I like both of you, but we will never fix
things this way. As you correctly point out Gerard, Wikipedians should
spend more time adding labels and aliases to existing items and creating
new items on Wikidata rather than just making redirects on Wikipedia. As
you correctly pointed out Andy, it IS physically possible to include
categories and templates on redirects (but if you do this in the way Gerard
suggests than it is a small step to create a stub that deserves a sitelink
from Wikidata). More Wikidatans should probably spend more time fixing and
splitting Wikipedia articles, but since the majority of Wikpedians don't
understand Wikidata at all, I think this should NOT be done unless you are
already a Wikipedian in good standing. Personallly I think it is ridiculous
that Robert Havell, Jr. does not have his own Wikipedia article and is only
included in a bundled-up version of a few members of his extended family.

Clearly, Derric's comments indicate that this email thread has not helped
matters any. I am just as frustrated as Gerard and don't know how to
explain why sitelinks to redirects are A REALLY BAD THING because to me
it is so obvious.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hoi,
 When a position is taken that is manifestly wrong, it is worse to desist.
 Andy I like you too but calling someone a dick because he does not agree
 with you and calls bullshit on the points taken, the examples supplied is
 not in the best tradition of our projects.

 Wikidata is NOT there to serve the English Wikipedia  at the expense of
 its own integrity.  A wish has been formulated to support redirects by
 WIkipedians while Wikidata has been EXPLICITLY designed NOT to support
 redirects but more importantly parts of articles.

 If a project does not have or want to have an article on a given subject,
 Wikidata can provide information when used in combination with the
 Reasonator.

 Articles are about a subject and CONSEQUENTLY they should have categories
 and info boxes that are in line with the subject of the article. The
 ARTICLE 2014 ISIL beheading incidents
 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17985279 for instance is NOT about a
 human and it should NOT have a category deaths in 2014 or any other
 information that is particular to one person. The same is true for Death
 of Alice Gross; it is NOT about Alice Gross. When an article is just text
 and nobody cares about such consistencies, fine. However, you want articles
 like this linked and someone else is to clean up such mess. This prevents
 automated processes, it is bad practice and it is part of the same
 practice/school of thought whereby we are to have redirects ...  Hell no!

 Please reconsider your arguments and please do not be a dick yourself..
 Thanks,
GerardM

 On 21 October 2014 21:21, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 21 October 2014 07:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If this Jackson Douglas is the best that you can do, you destroyed the
  argument that it has merit.

 Gerard,

 I like you; but you're being a dick. Please desist.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread svetlana
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
 Wikidata is NOT there to serve the English Wikipedia  at the expense of its
 own integrity.  A wish has been formulated to support redirects by
 WIkipedians while Wikidata has been EXPLICITLY designed NOT to support
 redirects but more importantly parts of articles.

If we have a need in pointing (at Wikibase/Wikidata) to redirects on a regular 
basis, it might be time to rethink the relevant project design. I ideally would 
like the default [[foo]] namespace to be configurable per-wiki, personally, 
seeing that on some wikis foo is not a valid title for main namespace, while 
Category:foo or Portal:foo is (and uglily, [[foo]] is forced to redirect to 
that).

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi Lukas!

That really shouldn't happen...

Can you tell me on which item that happens?
Also, please double-check the namespace and content model of the respective
entry in the dump.

-- daniel

Am 21.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Lukas Benedix:
 Different keys can still be found in the actual xml dump 
 wikidatawiki-20141009-pages-articles.xml.bz2.
 
 This bug/feature is also present in the current dump with history.
 
 page_id   wd_id   keys 111   Q15 ['aliases', 'claims',
 'descriptions', 'id', 'labels', 'sitelinks', 'type'] 137   Q24
 ['aliases', 'claims', 'description', 'entity', 'label', 'links'] 31500
 Q28119  ['aliases', 'description', 'entity', 'label', 'links'] 225144?
 ['entity', 'redirect'] 3916689   P6  ['aliases', 'claims', 'datatype',
 'descriptions', 'id', 'labels', 'type'] 3916937   P10 ['aliases',
 'claims', 'datatype', 'description', 'entity', 'label']
 
 
 Lukas
 
 Am Do 09.10.2014 19:32, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Magnus Manske 
 magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I managed to do the task at hand by switching to JSON dumps (because
 that's the new, officially supported, long-term-stable Wikidata dump
 format, right? Right???), so no hurry there.
 
 Maybe the XML dump process was run in the middle of the switch to the
 new format, or got a stale cache for some items?
 
 It looks like the switch happened in the middle of a dump creation so 
 this one is half old and half new format mixed. The ones after that 
 should be all new format. And yay for switching to JSON!
 
 
 Cheers Lydia
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:

 If we have a need in pointing (at Wikibase/Wikidata) to redirects on a
 regular basis, it might be time to rethink the relevant project design.


I think that rethinking the project design is the right approach here. To
link to redirects is as bad as leaving relevant article sections
unconnected. The challenge is to find another way to associate an article
section with an item without using redirects.

I have opened a bug report to gather ideas:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72347

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 22.10.2014 07:29, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
 Hoi,
 Is this dump going to be cleaned up? Will the next dump be good? Why did this 
 go
 wrong? 

Frankly, we have no idea why this is going wrong. I cannot reproduce the problem
locally, and it seems to work fine with Special:Export.

Dump generation is a bit strange and wonderful, and few people actually know in
detail how it works on the live cluster. I vaguely remember that at one point,
only new revisions were dumped, and the result stitched into old dumps. That
would explain the issue - and it would be something we cannot fix on the
Wikibase side. I'm trying to get hold of someone who can confirm/fix this.

I have filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72348 so this gets
tracked. I'll also bring it up in our next call with the foundation.

-- daniel


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 22.10.2014 11:06, schrieb Daniel Kinzler:
 Hi Lukas!
 
 That really shouldn't happen...
 
 Can you tell me on which item that happens?
 Also, please double-check the namespace and content model of the respective
 entry in the dump.

Never mind, I found it in the dump. Can't reproduce, though. Strange.

Filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72348

-- daniel

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I do not consider myself confused. I am speaking plain language.

The article: Death of Alice Gross has information about a living person
while it is NOT a living person. As it is, current practices like with the
Death of Alice Gross are problematic already enough.

When you want redirects, you make the situation worse because you will want
to include many more people who go by a same name. Many of them are already
known to Wikidata. We do not need redirects in Wikipedia to link to them .
What we need is integrated search where results from Wikidata and Wikipedia
are mixed in order to provide the best result. When there is no article
about someone or something, we  can provide a reasonator kinda screen with
information in English. It will refer to all kind of related information
and by having this information in Wikidata, this information is available
to any and all other languages as well.

The point is very much that any Wikipedia does not include all the
information we know about. We know in Wikidata about many more items than
Wikipedia has articles for. We can express this information in a much more
informative way than by having redirects. The examples of redirects given
were really not informative. It is not possible to associate categories and
templates in a way that makes them useful in any other way. It positively
destroys the usability of information from Wikipedia in this way.

For what ?

We can and should do better. It starts by considering all options. Text is
no longer the only game in town.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 22 October 2014 10:03, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:

 Gerard, you seem confused.

 (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way
 -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra
 sitelinks.

 So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's own
 integrity.

 In particular, there would be no change at all to what Reasonator would be
 showing, apart from a few extra badged sitelinks.


 (2) You seem to be worried that Wikidata would pick up and import the
 categories of the article that the redirect redirects to.

 But there's no obvious reason why this should happen.  It would not be
 those articles that Wikidata would sitelink to, but the redirects.  So it
 would be the categories (if any) of the redirect that would be relevant.

 Similarly, it would not be the item sitelinked to the redirect that any
 template on the article that was the target of the redirect would compare
 itself with -- the target article would have its own item, just as it does
 today; so just as it is today, that is the item that any templates on that
 article would compare themselves to; or that any data migration would load
 data into -- just exactly the same as it is today.

 Death of Alice Gross is not the article about Alice Gross.

 But this is not the article that would be sitelinked to Alice Gross.

 Instead Alice Gross (a redirect) is the article that would be sitelinked
 to Alice Gross.

 So none of the problems you foresee should occur.


 (3)  Reasonator is great.  But ultimately, Reasonator and Wikidata can
 only give a summary of the facts.

 In cases like Daniel Havell, and the question of his exact relationship to
 other members of the Havell family, Wikidata/Reasonator can note that
 sources disagree.  Wikidata/Reasonator can identify a preferred value. But
 it is harder for them to present the context as to *why* that value is
 preferred, in the way that can be done in continuous free text.

 It is good to make Wikidata/Reasonator as comprehensive as possible; but
 there is added value in having the ecosystem of text Wikipedia connected to
 them.


 (4)  One additional point is that by tracking the redirects, specifically
 by adding a property noting what items an item may redirect to in different
 languages, we actually improve Wikidata.

 * We add to the related items that Wikidata can display.

 * We make it possible to ask whether the item can be connected to these
 new additional 'related items' within one, two, three, or ''n'' hops, using
 the item's existing properties.  If it cannot, then there is probably an
 existing property that is missing.  So we can identify ways to build and
 improve the database.


 In summary:  your apparent view that linking to redirects will lead to
 data being migrated onto the wrong items on Wikidata seems to me to be
 mis-founded.

 Instead, allowing sitelinking to redirects that accurately match the
 topic, rather than enforcing that sitelinks can only be to primary articles
 (which may not quite so closely match the topic), is, if anything, likely
 to create a *more* accurate structure, which will make make *less* likely
 any risk of item data pollution through ingestion from a
 not-quite-properly-matched article.

 (ie: if linking to redirects is supported, it will make it *less* likely
 that users will be tempted to sitelink :en:hatmaking directly to
 

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk:
 (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any 
 way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only 
 some extra sitelinks.
 
 So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's 
 own integrity.

Interestingly how no one mentions (or have I missed it?) what to me seems to be
the biggest problem, and that is the possibility that multiple Wikidata items
link to a single Wikipedia article.

If sitelinks to redirects are ever implemented, it would be imperative that it
is checked that no two redirects lead to the same place.



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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk:
 (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any 
 way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only 
 some extra sitelinks.
 
 So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's 
 own integrity.

Interestingly how no one mentions (or have I missed it?) what to me seems to be
the biggest problem, and that is the possibility that multiple Wikidata items
link to a single Wikipedia article.

If sitelinks to redirects are ever implemented, it would be imperative that it
is checked that no two redirects lead to the same place.



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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread James Heald

On 22/10/2014 14:23, Smolenski Nikola wrote:

Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk:

(1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any
way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only
some extra sitelinks.

So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's
own integrity.


Interestingly how no one mentions (or have I missed it?) what to me seems to be
the biggest problem, and that is the possibility that multiple Wikidata items
link to a single Wikipedia article.

If sitelinks to redirects are ever implemented, it would be imperative that it
is checked that no two redirects lead to the same place.


It's no problem if multiple redirects link to the same place.

For example, on en-wiki, we have
   Luke Havell (redirect)-   Havell family
   Robert Havell (redirect)  -   Havell family
   Daniel Havell (redirect)  -   Havell family
etc

It's no problem if we have different items
   Q(Luke Havell)   -   Luke Havell (redirect)
   Q(Robert Havell) -   Robert Havell (redirect)
   Q(Daniel Havell) -   Daniel Havell (redirect)

different items, for different people, sitelinked to different places on 
en-wiki, that happen to be redirects.



But one advantage of having this structure is that if somebody then 
changes Robert Havell into a full article, then Q(Robert Havell) is 
already pointing to the right place.


  -- James.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread James Heald

Gerard, I still don't see a problem.

If somebody wants to search on Reasonator, they can search on 
Reasonator, and they will get exactly the same Reasonator pages as 
before -- the only difference is that those Reasonator pages will 
include more links to relevant Wikipedia pages, with some of them badged 
as redirects.



As for Death of Alice Gross, I don't see the problem there either.

Your complaint appears to be that at the moment people directly sitelink 
Q(Alice Gross) to Death of Alice Gross, causing all sorts of 
mismatches and confusions.


Allowing sitelinks to redirects would actually *solve* this issue, 
because then people could site-link Q(Alice Gross) to Alice Gross (a 
redirect).


Q(Alice Gross) would then no longer be sitelinked to an article about an 
event; but instead would be sitelinked to a redirect.



Wouldn't that be a better state of affairs ?

  -- James.



On 22/10/2014 12:19, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
I do not consider myself confused. I am speaking plain language.

The article: Death of Alice Gross has information about a living person
while it is NOT a living person. As it is, current practices like with the
Death of Alice Gross are problematic already enough.

When you want redirects, you make the situation worse because you will want
to include many more people who go by a same name. Many of them are already
known to Wikidata. We do not need redirects in Wikipedia to link to them .
What we need is integrated search where results from Wikidata and Wikipedia
are mixed in order to provide the best result. When there is no article
about someone or something, we  can provide a reasonator kinda screen with
information in English. It will refer to all kind of related information
and by having this information in Wikidata, this information is available
to any and all other languages as well.

The point is very much that any Wikipedia does not include all the
information we know about. We know in Wikidata about many more items than
Wikipedia has articles for. We can express this information in a much more
informative way than by having redirects. The examples of redirects given
were really not informative. It is not possible to associate categories and
templates in a way that makes them useful in any other way. It positively
destroys the usability of information from Wikipedia in this way.

For what ?

We can and should do better. It starts by considering all options. Text is
no longer the only game in town.
Thanks,
   GerardM


On 22 October 2014 10:03, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:


Gerard, you seem confused.

(1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way
-- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra
sitelinks.

So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's own
integrity.

In particular, there would be no change at all to what Reasonator would be
showing, apart from a few extra badged sitelinks.


(2) You seem to be worried that Wikidata would pick up and import the
categories of the article that the redirect redirects to.

But there's no obvious reason why this should happen.  It would not be
those articles that Wikidata would sitelink to, but the redirects.  So it
would be the categories (if any) of the redirect that would be relevant.

Similarly, it would not be the item sitelinked to the redirect that any
template on the article that was the target of the redirect would compare
itself with -- the target article would have its own item, just as it does
today; so just as it is today, that is the item that any templates on that
article would compare themselves to; or that any data migration would load
data into -- just exactly the same as it is today.

Death of Alice Gross is not the article about Alice Gross.

But this is not the article that would be sitelinked to Alice Gross.

Instead Alice Gross (a redirect) is the article that would be sitelinked
to Alice Gross.

So none of the problems you foresee should occur.


(3)  Reasonator is great.  But ultimately, Reasonator and Wikidata can
only give a summary of the facts.

In cases like Daniel Havell, and the question of his exact relationship to
other members of the Havell family, Wikidata/Reasonator can note that
sources disagree.  Wikidata/Reasonator can identify a preferred value. But
it is harder for them to present the context as to *why* that value is
preferred, in the way that can be done in continuous free text.

It is good to make Wikidata/Reasonator as comprehensive as possible; but
there is added value in having the ecosystem of text Wikipedia connected to
them.


(4)  One additional point is that by tracking the redirects, specifically
by adding a property noting what items an item may redirect to in different
languages, we actually improve Wikidata.

* We add to the related items that Wikidata can display.

* We make it possible to ask whether the item can be connected to these
new additional 'related items' 

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk:
 On 22/10/2014 14:23, Smolenski Nikola wrote:
  Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk:
  (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any
  way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only
  some extra sitelinks.
 
  So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's
  own integrity.
 
  Interestingly how no one mentions (or have I missed it?) what to me seems
 to be
  the biggest problem, and that is the possibility that multiple Wikidata
 items
  link to a single Wikipedia article.
 
  If sitelinks to redirects are ever implemented, it would be imperative that
 it
  is checked that no two redirects lead to the same place.
 
 It's no problem if multiple redirects link to the same place.
 
 For example, on en-wiki, we have
 Luke Havell (redirect)-   Havell family
 Robert Havell (redirect)  -   Havell family
 Daniel Havell (redirect)  -   Havell family
 etc
 
 It's no problem if we have different items
 Q(Luke Havell)   -   Luke Havell (redirect)
 Q(Robert Havell) -   Robert Havell (redirect)
 Q(Daniel Havell) -   Daniel Havell (redirect)
 
 different items, for different people, sitelinked to different places on 
 en-wiki, that happen to be redirects.

All right, that may not be a big problem. However, it would be a big problem if
we have:

Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) - Coat of Arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad
Q(something) - Coat of arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad
Q(something) - Coat of arms of novi sad - Novi Sad



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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
FORGET ABOUT REASONATOR, FORGET ABOUT WIKIPEDIA, FORGET ABOUT WIKIDATA

It is about sharing information. That is what this is all about. The
information is NOT in Wikipedia, only the data is in Wikidata,  there are
plenty examples of that. Redirects are something you come up with because
it completely focuses on Wikipedia while actually it is VERY much in the
way when you want to inform people.

You do not see the problem. You do not even understand why your solution
is imperfect, not even halfway sane. When you forget about Wikipedia for a
moment, you will agree that Wikidata has tons of data Wikipedia does not.
Consequently, it would make sense to provide our readers with information
when Wikipedia does not have it. Wikidata is NOT informative, it takes
something like Reasonator to make the data informative.

I do not want anything less for Wikipedia.

When we approach our customers with the sum of all the information we have
available to us, you will find that Wikidata knows about something like 50%
more subjects. It impacts everything from search results, categories, red
links and disambiguation pages.From such a perspective linking redirects
to Wikidata is an awful idea for all the reasons I presented.

Redirects will harm Wikidata, there is no doubt in my mind. There will be
not be much of a benefit.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 22 October 2014 15:58, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:

 Gerard, I still don't see a problem.

 If somebody wants to search on Reasonator, they can search on Reasonator,
 and they will get exactly the same Reasonator pages as before -- the only
 difference is that those Reasonator pages will include more links to
 relevant Wikipedia pages, with some of them badged as redirects.


 As for Death of Alice Gross, I don't see the problem there either.

 Your complaint appears to be that at the moment people directly sitelink
 Q(Alice Gross) to Death of Alice Gross, causing all sorts of mismatches
 and confusions.

 Allowing sitelinks to redirects would actually *solve* this issue, because
 then people could site-link Q(Alice Gross) to Alice Gross (a redirect).

 Q(Alice Gross) would then no longer be sitelinked to an article about an
 event; but instead would be sitelinked to a redirect.


 Wouldn't that be a better state of affairs ?

   -- James.




 On 22/10/2014 12:19, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

 Hoi,
 I do not consider myself confused. I am speaking plain language.

 The article: Death of Alice Gross has information about a living person
 while it is NOT a living person. As it is, current practices like with the
 Death of Alice Gross are problematic already enough.

 When you want redirects, you make the situation worse because you will
 want
 to include many more people who go by a same name. Many of them are
 already
 known to Wikidata. We do not need redirects in Wikipedia to link to them .
 What we need is integrated search where results from Wikidata and
 Wikipedia
 are mixed in order to provide the best result. When there is no article
 about someone or something, we  can provide a reasonator kinda screen with
 information in English. It will refer to all kind of related information
 and by having this information in Wikidata, this information is available
 to any and all other languages as well.

 The point is very much that any Wikipedia does not include all the
 information we know about. We know in Wikidata about many more items than
 Wikipedia has articles for. We can express this information in a much more
 informative way than by having redirects. The examples of redirects given
 were really not informative. It is not possible to associate categories
 and
 templates in a way that makes them useful in any other way. It positively
 destroys the usability of information from Wikipedia in this way.

 For what ?

 We can and should do better. It starts by considering all options. Text is
 no longer the only game in town.
 Thanks,
GerardM


 On 22 October 2014 10:03, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:

  Gerard, you seem confused.

 (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way
 -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some
 extra
 sitelinks.

 So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's own
 integrity.

 In particular, there would be no change at all to what Reasonator would
 be
 showing, apart from a few extra badged sitelinks.


 (2) You seem to be worried that Wikidata would pick up and import the
 categories of the article that the redirect redirects to.

 But there's no obvious reason why this should happen.  It would not be
 those articles that Wikidata would sitelink to, but the redirects.  So it
 would be the categories (if any) of the redirect that would be relevant.

 Similarly, it would not be the item sitelinked to the redirect that any
 template on the article that was the target of the redirect would compare
 itself with -- the target article would have its own 

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Derric Atzrott
 All right, that may not be a big problem. However, it would be a big problem 
 if
 we have:
 
 Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) - Coat of Arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad
 Q(something) - Coat of arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad
 Q(something) - Coat of arms of novi sad - Novi Sad

This is an argument against redirects that I am able to understand.  I'm not
sure what the best solution for this is.  Perhaps we could lowercase the name of
the page and compare that to other items (similar to what we currently do to
ensure that no page is site-linked to more than one item).  There would be
exceptions, but we could warn them at least that they look like they are
linking to something that may already be linked to.

There are other redirects that are similar that may cause problems.  Items
with more than a single name that are conceptually the same thing might fall
into this.

I do think though that having something like what you describe happen is more
of a user error though.  Can you think of any possible Q(something) that would
work for their of those Q(somethings).  I.e. can you find a set of items where
this problem might actually manifest.  Coat of Arms of Novi Sad is a single
concept and I can't imagine that we are likely to find too many cases where
folks link it accurately to another Wikidata item.

Perhaps a report could be put together regularly of possible conflicts?

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com:
 I do think though that having something like what you describe happen is
 more
 of a user error though.  Can you think of any possible Q(something) that

Right now, since only linking to articles is allowed, and only one article can
be linked from anywhere on Wikidata, such errors are difficult to make, and
easy
to find and rectify. If linking to redirects is allowed, such errors will
become
easier to make, and more difficult to find and rectify.



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