Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] University project on Wikipedia

[KillerChihuahua]

I think the good people over at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Classroom 
coordination]] might be able to help you set this up and render assistance. 
Sounds like a wonderful project, good luck!

-kc-

- Original Message - 
From: "Maria Fanucchi" 
To: "Wikimedia Translators" ; 
; 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:21 AM
Subject: [Foundation-l] University project on Wikipedia


[Cross-posting this to Translators-l, WikiEN-l and Foundation-l, because
there is a considerable amount of overlap, as you'll see. Volunteers from
several Wikipedias may be needed, and the Foundation could eventually be
involved if the project becomes an annual one. I apologize in advance to
those subscribed all three lists.]

Hello everyone,

(Note: For those who don't know me, I am [[User:Arria Belli]]. Former admin
and arbitrator over at fr:wp, and member of the LangCom. I met some of you
at Wikimania 2008 Alexandria, where I did a presentation called "Translation
in Wikimedia Projects" ex-aequo with [[User:Britty]].)

I've just started a master's degree at the ESIT (Ecole supérieure
d'interprètes et de traducteurs) in Paris, in English/French/Spanish
translation. It's quite a good school; a large percentage of the
interpreters and translators working in international organizations are
graduates of the ESIT.

My French-to-English translation professor has asked me to set up a project
for all the students in her class, translating Wikipedia articles. We're a
small group: there are only about 5 or 6 of us. What we'd be doing is taking
articles from fr: and translating them to en:. Students are free to choose
the articles they'll translate.

Since I'm mostly active over at fr:wp, I will need some help from people on
en:. Most notably, I think it would be wise to set up a small group of en:wp
volunteers who could guide the students on a one-on-one basis in case they
have trouble understanding wiki markup, references, etc. I would be
coordinating the project, but I don't think I could field all the students'
questions at once! Any volunteers?

I want to make this as positive an experience as possible for everyone
involved: the students, the professor and the institution. If the project is
successful enough, it might happen again next year or even next semester,
and become a regular thing.

As a very important aside: My professor told me that professors in other
language combinations might also be interested in Wikipedia projects of
their own. Therefore, there could be an English-to-Russian project, or a
French-to-Spanish one, or French-to-Korean, etc. I'll let you know as soon
as I'm told whether this could happen. Even if no other language
combinations are interested, they might be next year if this one is a
success.

Thank you, and happy editing.

Maria Fanucchi
[[User:Arria Belli]]
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: "a liberal cesspool of fact-checking, sources and citations"

[KillerChihuahua]

It wasn't a distinction. It was intended as a joke.

See also: lead balloon

- Original Message - 
From: "Ray Saintonge" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: "a liberal cesspool of fact-checking, 
sources and citations"


> KillerChihuahua wrote:
>> So if you're verbose in the name of Liberalism, that's "wordy" and bad, 
>> but
>> if you're verbose in the name of Conservatism, that's "strong" and good?
>>
>> check. I'll remember that. I'd hate to be verbose for all the wrong 
>> reasons.
>>
>
> That's not the distinction that I would make. Conservatives don't need
> to be verbose because they believe that they already have God's truth.
> Liberals too easily spend much time on trying to figure out what to
> create in place of God, and figuring out how to avoid stepping on the
> merry-go-round.
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tony Sidaway"
>>> On 10/6/09, Charles Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness" is pretty good though
>>>> (scroll down).
>>>>
>>> That's a doozy.
>>>
>>> Note also that principle 4, "Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms",
>>> links to another of Schlafly's crackpot projects, to prove that since
>>> 1612, "Powerful, insightful new conservative terms have grown at a
>>> geometric rate, roughly doubling every century"
>>>
>>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: "a liberal cesspool of fact-checking, sources and citations"

[KillerChihuahua]

So if you're verbose in the name of Liberalism, that's "wordy" and bad, but 
if you're verbose in the name of Conservatism, that's "strong" and good?

check. I'll remember that. I'd hate to be verbose for all the wrong reasons.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Sidaway" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: "a liberal cesspool of 
fact-checking,sources and citations"


> On 10/6/09, Charles Matthews  wrote:
>>>
>> "Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness" is pretty good though
>> (scroll down).
>
> That's a doozy.
>
> Note also that principle 4, "Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms",
> links to another of Schlafly's crackpot projects, to prove that since
> 1612, "Powerful, insightful new conservative terms have grown at a
> geometric rate, roughly doubling every century"
>
> http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Best_New_Conservative_Terms
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Classic commentary

[KillerChihuahua]

But I think "tater tot" when I think of you. Crunchy but yummy. :P

so I mis-spell it "Cunctater".


- Original Message - 
From: "The Cunctator" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Classic commentary


> And still people can't spell my username! "cuncTator".
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, stevertigo  wrote:
>
>> stevertigo  wrote:
>> >>> "Show the door to trolls, vandals, and wiki-anarchists, who, if
>> >>> permitted, would waste your time and create a poisonous atmosphere
>> >>> here." - Larry Sanger
>> Steve Bennett  wrote:
>> >> Out of curiosity, on which side of the door do you see yourself, 
>> >> Steve?
>> The Cunctator  wrote:
>> > Ah, the good old days.
>>
>> In case anyone doesn't get the injoke, Cuncator wrote at [[User:The
>> Cuncator/How to destroy Wikipedia]]:  "I'm sick and tired of being
>> attacked by Larry, both verbally and by the deletion and erasure of my
>> work. I'll probably leave Wikipedia soon." That was from seven years
>> ago, and Thə Cuncator is still here. So with certain notable and
>> ironic exceptions, I think things worked out nicely for Wikipedia.
>>
>> IEHO,
>> -Stevertigo
>>


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Re: [WikiEN-l] Imagine if Wikipedia was printed

[KillerChihuahua]

Perhaps the image is intended to be the TOC or INDEX.
-kc-

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Dalton" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Imagine if Wikipedia was printed


> 2009/9/12 Carcharoth :
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>> That's 980 Britannica-sized volumes. Or about 15 sets of Britannica.
>>
>> That's smaller than I thought. We obviously have a lot of very small 
>> articles.
>
> We had a lot of very small articles in 2006, which is when we last got
> statistics on the lengths of articles. That 990 volumes (did we write
> another 10 between when David checked and when I did?) is based on
> current article numbers, but 2006 article lengths. Hopefully we'll get
> a full database dump soon and we'll get accurate length stats.
>
> 


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Re: [WikiEN-l] The best coverage yet of the living bios rule

[KillerChihuahua]

Fabulous. Scarily accurate as well.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Gerard" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: [WikiEN-l] The best coverage yet of the living bios rule


> http://www.cracked.com/blog/ted-kennedy-the-movie/
> 
> 
> - d.
> 

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

[KillerChihuahua]

I agree completely with David, and if David is misunderstaning, please 
explain. Your comment in an earlier email that "Most people seem to fail to 
understand to what I refer." certainly applies to me, as I have no idea what 
you're talking about. I also cannot see why you're being coy rather than 
blunt - *you* certainly know what you're talking about, so please tell us.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Goodman" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model


>A reference that requires payment is still a reference and there is no
> reason to remove it. Almost always, these paid sources are subscribed
> to by libraries to which many hundreds of people here have access, and
> can be accessed at least by those members of that institution, and
> often by public visitors to it.
> Further, the articles will be read by thousands of people who do have
> access, as well as by those who do not. it is no more a problem that
> those books available in only a few dozen libraries.
>
> The only paid references that should be removed are those which merely
> duplicate exactly what is available from other sources.  For example,
> if a story is reprinted  in many newspapers, we should try to find one
> which is free.
>
> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM,  wrote:
>> I think David you have not understood at all what I said.
>> Please explain your objection in a manner highlighting what you think I
>> said, and why you would object to what I said.
>>
>> Will
>> 


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Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

[KillerChihuahua]

Good idea though! What does eeryone think of writing a special Editnotice 
for BLP articles? More effective possibly than the talkpage notice.

I can speak from experience, however, that some will still ignore. However, 
every little bit helps, yes?

I am not speaking of writing policy there, mind you, merely a little notice 
to be aware.

-kc-

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To: ; "English Wikipedia" 

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

>
> Looks like you're right. You know there's a bit of text that appears
> when you're in editing mode between the edit window and the 'submit'
> button? I seemed to remember that it said something different when you
> edit a BLP than when you edit say 'donkey' or 'saucer'. But it
> doesn't. Don't know where I got that idea from.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parody

[KillerChihuahua]

Remember how excited we used to be when Wikipedia was mentioned in the news?

- Original Message - 
From: "Keegan Paul" 
To: "English Wikipedia" 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia 
parody


> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> 2009/7/23 kgnp...@gmail.com :
>>
>> > Parodies are compliments in my book.  Sarcasm to flattery and all that.
>>  Look forward to a US available link.
>>
>> >>The thing to remember is how ridiculously mainstream Wikipedia is
>> these days. When I first got involved, early 2004, it was #500 in the
>> world, and I was *really impressed* by that.
>
>
> Oh I remember, I remember.
>
> ~Keegan
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Stifle on newstalk.ie Saturday 7pm (BST)

[KillerChihuahua]

David Gerard wrote:
> User:Stifle is representing Wikipedia in a live radio debate on
> NewsTalk Radio (Ireland) tonight at 7pm. His first live media
> experience. Wish him luck :-)
>
> You can stream it from http://newstalk.ie/ . (The 32kbps WinAmp stream
> worked fine for me in VLC.)
>
> (forwarding to wmuk-l for interest ... we don't have an .ie list yet, do we?)
>
>
> - d.
>   
So far as I know, we're still pretending they speak English. :-P
Gratz, Stifle, I'm sure you'll do great.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Neutrality enforcement: a proposal

[KillerChihuahua]

SlimVirgin wrote:
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, SlimVirgin  > wrote:
>
>   
>> * That's exactly right. All this group would be looking for are good-faith
>> 
> *>* efforts to edit in accordance with the NPOV policy. It's not an attempt to
> *>* control content, but behaviour. Perhaps we should change the title to
> *>* reflect that.
> *
>
> *stevertigo* wrote:
>
>   
>> You lost me. If you say its all about the content, I'd be on board. You say
>> its about "behaviour[-alism]," and I go now elsewhere to let you rethink the
>> idea entirely.
>> 
>
>
> Controlling content = "this article should or should not say X"
>
> Controlling behaviour = "this editor should or should not do X"
>
> In that sense, this proposal is about behaviour, because it is about
> good-faith editing (behaviour) and not the result of it (content).
>
> However, the whole content v. behaviour thing is something of a false
> distinction. ArbCom prides itself on not controlling content,
> but it does it all the time indirectly by controlling who can edit,
> ruling on what counts as a reliable source, etc.
>
> This is a proposal to enforce behaviour that upholds our own core
> content policy, and there's no problem with that tension.
> In fact, it's quite strange that none of our core content policies are
> currently enforced, except for BLPs.
>
> Sarah
Oh, I wouldn't count on BLPs being enforced.

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[WikiEN-l] It all makes sense at the end

[KillerChihuahua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjC0mYfcrg

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Re: [WikiEN-l] NPOV is a big lie

[KillerChihuahua]

Ye gods. "Propaganda ministry"? I was giving you due respect and reading 
you carefully until you spouted this nonsense.

Bill Carter wrote:
> FT2: You must be a part of Wikipedia's propaganda ministry. I offer you facts 
> about one striking instance in which journalist Alan Cabal has been maligned 
> over and over again. Who knows how many other
> Wikipedia articles are being treated in such a way, and only if people
> come forward will we get a good idea.
>
>
>
> 
> From: FT2 
> To: English Wikipedia 
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:16:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] NPOV is a big lie
>
> This is (when stripped down) basically a "straw man" post. It uses quotes by
> others saying "A"as a rhetoric device in a question where the issue isn't
> "A" at all, and in effect, conflates the two to try and make its point. It
> then presents its point as made when in fact it hasn't made it at all, nor
> even contains any attempt to do so. It's either sloppy logic or a rhetoric
> device. Either way it has no place in honest communication, except as a
> mistake to be retracted when spotted.
>
> 
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

[KillerChihuahua]

George Herbert wrote:
> We have standards, people.
>
>   
{citeneeded}

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Re: [WikiEN-l] So much for the Obama scandal

[KillerChihuahua]

Hah, now WND has scrubbed Jerusalem21's name from their story.

*"Update: March 10, 2009 | 1:40:00 PM*

"This morning the WorldNetDaily story, which is headlined "Wikipedia 
scrubs Obama eligibility,"  was scrubbed clean of the name Jerusalem21, 
who's now referred to only as "one Wikipedia user." Fortunately, Google 
cache never forgets 
<http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:Io3pgFeFfMYJ:www.worldnetdaily.com/%3FpageId%3D91114+Jerusalem21&hl=en>."

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/wikigate-1.html



KillerChihuahua wrote:
> and
> http://washingtonindependent.com/33207/fox-news-gets-punkd-by-obama-birther
>
> David Gerard wrote:
>   
>> http://gawker.com/5167585/right+wing-writer-invents-his-own-obama-wikipedia-scandal
>>
>>
>> - d.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] So much for the Obama scandal

[KillerChihuahua]

and
http://washingtonindependent.com/33207/fox-news-gets-punkd-by-obama-birther

David Gerard wrote:
> http://gawker.com/5167585/right+wing-writer-invents-his-own-obama-wikipedia-scandal
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Interview

[KillerChihuahua]

No need to apologize - if anyone has caused a stir it is myself, for 
being too blunt with my criticism. thank you for taking the time to clarify.


dhruv bhalla wrote:
> I'm sorry for causing such a stir. Let me reiterate: The reason for
> conducting the interview is because I would like the opinion of any
> regular contributor/reader, on what he or she feels are the major
> issues ( those on the lines of reliability etc.) facing Wikipedia
> today. As this piece work requires me to address these issues and
> propose logical solutions ( to the best of my ability) I choose to use
> this forum to gain a knowledgeable perspective on how to combat these
> issues. The 'trivial' questions in the interview were only to help me
> establish trends in my analysis.
> As before any help would be appreciated
> Thanks
>
> 2009/3/11 philippe :
>   
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:30 PM, KillerChihuahua wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Unlikely. If he's not English as a primary language, why would he
>>> email
>>> the EN mailing list?
>>>   
>> 'cuz it's got the most readers?  I'm just guessin' on that
>>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Interview

[KillerChihuahua]

I'm merely stating it is unlikely. The Wikipedia he emailed is EN. The 
language of the survey is EN. If EN is not his native tongue then at the 
very least he believes he is proficient.

philippe wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:30 PM, KillerChihuahua wrote:
>
>   
>> Unlikely. If he's not English as a primary language, why would he  
>> email
>> the EN mailing list?
>> 
>
> 'cuz it's got the most readers?  I'm just guessin' on that
>
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Interview

[KillerChihuahua]

Unlikely. If he's not English as a primary language, why would he email 
the EN mailing list?

Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/3/10 KillerChihuahua :
>   
>> I'm tempted to ask how you managed to get into the International
>> Baccalaureate program, given your inability to clearly and concisely
>> explain what you are doing, but I will presume you're just having a bad
>> day. FYI, not everyone knows what the IB is, so spelling it out in full
>> is helpful.
>>
>> Unless I am mistaken, this is a high-schooler doing a project.
>> 
>
> Did it occur to you that the IB is primarily taken by people that
> aren't native English speakers? You should make allowances.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Interview

[KillerChihuahua]

The criticism was more for the IB educators. There was no personal 
attack in my comments, and indeed, I attempted to assist and clarify.

Michael Bimmler wrote:
> I'm tempted to ask why, exactly, needed you do this. I'm even more
> tempted to ask the list moderator to place you on moderation for
> unjustified personal attacks to a good faith student, who (expectedly)
> did not come up with quite as professional a project description as a
> PhD candidate would have.
>
> Really, this was uncalled for.
>
> Michael
>
> (By the way and personal comment: After reading tons of actual IB
> guidelines and approved IB course materials, ie. documents written by
> the IB Organization staff or experienced IB teachers, I cannot blame
> any student for not expressing himself "clearly and concisely"
> anymore...you're kind of immersed into the opposite)
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM, KillerChihuahua
>  wrote:
>   
>> I'm tempted to ask how you managed to get into the International
>> Baccalaureate program, given your inability to clearly and concisely
>> explain what you are doing, but I will presume you're just having a bad
>> day. FYI, not everyone knows what the IB is, so spelling it out in full
>> is helpful.
>>
>> Unless I am mistaken, this is a high-schooler doing a project.
>>
>> dhruvbhalla wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier.
>>> I am currently completing the IB ITGS (IT in a global society) course. For
>>> it I had written a portfolio piece regarding the problems that using
>>> Wikipedia in the academic environment entails.
>>> To substantiate the portfolio it is required that i conduct an interview
>>> with someone who is directly effected by these issues ( accuracy and
>>> reliability).
>>> As per confidentiality is concerned, this is not going to be publicly
>>> published and I only need limited contact information so that a moderator
>>> can judge that the information is genuine.
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> David Goodman wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> It would be interesting to know the general context for your project.
>>>> It would also be good to have some statement about confidentiality of
>>>> the responses.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:30 AM, dhruvbhalla  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, I have to conduct some research about the main problems that
>>>>> wikipedia
>>>>> is facing; those being inaccuracy and vandalisim.
>>>>> I have a questionaire which I've attached below. I would appriciate it if
>>>>> anyone who is experienced with these problems were to answer it.
>>>>> You would be of great help.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do realise that there are a fair amount of questions, thefore please
>>>>> fell
>>>>> free to address only those question that to fell are necessary.
>>>>> Furthermore if you do not have the time to do so, a paragraph describing
>>>>> your opinion of the content on Wikipedia and a vaible method to address
>>>>> the
>>>>> issues of realability and vandalism would be great too
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and regards
>>>>> Dhruv
>>>>>
>>>>> 1)  What is your name, your profession and designation?
>>>>> 2)  How often do you engage in research and for what purpose?
>>>>> 3)  Are you concerned about the authenticity of what you read? If yes
>>>>> why?
>>>>> 4)  What form of research do you prefer using the most (books,
>>>>> magazines,
>>>>> journals, internet etc)?
>>>>> 5)  Have you ever used a free web-based encyclopedia such as
>>>>> Wikipedia
>>>>> before?
>>>>> 6)  If yes
>>>>> a.   could you elaborate on the process with which use it to search
>>>>> for
>>>>> information
>>>>> b.  Do you use articles from Wikipedia as a source for your
>>>>> citations?
>>>>> c.  Please elaborate on your reasons for doing/not-doing so
>>>>> d.  Are you aware Wikipedia is a free- to -edit encyclopedia?
>>>>> e.  Have you ever edited an article on Wikipedia?
>>>>> f.  If yes do you follow the norms suggested by Wikipedia for doing
>>>>> so

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interview

[KillerChihuahua]

I'm tempted to ask how you managed to get into the International 
Baccalaureate program, given your inability to clearly and concisely 
explain what you are doing, but I will presume you're just having a bad 
day. FYI, not everyone knows what the IB is, so spelling it out in full 
is helpful.

Unless I am mistaken, this is a high-schooler doing a project.

dhruvbhalla wrote:
> I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier.
> I am currently completing the IB ITGS (IT in a global society) course. For
> it I had written a portfolio piece regarding the problems that using
> Wikipedia in the academic environment entails. 
> To substantiate the portfolio it is required that i conduct an interview
> with someone who is directly effected by these issues ( accuracy and
> reliability).
> As per confidentiality is concerned, this is not going to be publicly
> published and I only need limited contact information so that a moderator
> can judge that the information is genuine. 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated  
> Thank you
>
> David Goodman wrote:
>   
>> It would be interesting to know the general context for your project.
>> It would also be good to have some statement about confidentiality of
>> the responses.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:30 AM, dhruvbhalla  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, I have to conduct some research about the main problems that
>>> wikipedia
>>> is facing; those being inaccuracy and vandalisim.
>>> I have a questionaire which I've attached below. I would appriciate it if
>>> anyone who is experienced with these problems were to answer it.
>>> You would be of great help.
>>>
>>> I do realise that there are a fair amount of questions, thefore please
>>> fell
>>> free to address only those question that to fell are necessary.
>>> Furthermore if you do not have the time to do so, a paragraph describing
>>> your opinion of the content on Wikipedia and a vaible method to address
>>> the
>>> issues of realability and vandalism would be great too
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> Dhruv
>>>
>>> 1)  What is your name, your profession and designation?
>>> 2)  How often do you engage in research and for what purpose?
>>> 3)  Are you concerned about the authenticity of what you read? If yes
>>> why?
>>> 4)  What form of research do you prefer using the most (books,
>>> magazines,
>>> journals, internet etc)?
>>> 5)  Have you ever used a free web-based encyclopedia such as
>>> Wikipedia
>>> before?
>>> 6)  If yes
>>> a.   could you elaborate on the process with which use it to search
>>> for
>>> information
>>> b.  Do you use articles from Wikipedia as a source for your
>>> citations?
>>> c.  Please elaborate on your reasons for doing/not-doing so
>>> d.  Are you aware Wikipedia is a free- to -edit encyclopedia?
>>> e.  Have you ever edited an article on Wikipedia?
>>> f.  If yes do you follow the norms suggested by Wikipedia for doing
>>> so?
>>> g.  Do you double check what you learn at Wikipedia?
>>> h.  If yes, then why do you use Wikipedia in the first place?
>>> i.  Have you ever come across anomalous/incorrect information on
>>> Wikipedia?
>>> j.  If yes, have you ever thought about doing any thing about it?
>>> 7)  If no
>>> a.  Do you have any particular reason for not doing so? Is it linked
>>> with the
>>> questionable reliability of the articles?
>>>
>>> 8)  In light of the above questions, I’m sure you have come to be
>>> aware of
>>> some of the flaws that using websites such as Wikipedia entails.
>>> Therefore
>>> what changes would you recommend to be made on such websites?
>>> 9)  Further elaborating on the above point, how would you recommend
>>> the
>>> increase in factuality of the articles on Wikipedia?
>>> 10) Would you recommend Wikipedia as a primary source of information
>>> to your
>>> colleagues? Please specify with a reason?
>>>
>>> PS Please leave a name an e-mail address if possible ( for citation
>>> purposes)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Interview-tp22401800p22401800.html
>>> Sent from the English Wikipedia mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
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>> -- 
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
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Re: [WikiEN-l] No English wikipedia in England

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Oh, not some provider with a badsites filter run amok again, surely?

Al Tally wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Magnus Manske
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Trying to access en.wikipedia from the UK fails. Other wikipedias are OK.
>>
>> Error message (extremely helpful):
>>
>>
>>
>> ERROR
>> The requested URL could not be retrieved
>>
>> While trying to retrieve the URL:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate/Group
>>
>> The following error was encountered:
>>
>>* Access Denied.
>>
>>  Access control configuration prevents your request from being
>> allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel
>> this is incorrect.
>>
>> Your cache administrator is nobody.
>> Generated Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:48:16 GMT by knsq11.knams.wikimedia.org
>> (squid/2.7.STABLE6)
>>
>> 
>
> Works fine for me.
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] 6 months later: Knol update

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Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Anyway, I think it's important to realise that Knol has just published
> its 100,000th Knol, but since it has multiple Knols on each topic it
> has far less than 100,000 topics. It is meaningless to compare number
> of Knols to number of Wikipedia articles.
concur. Comparison is apples/oranges, or rather Phyla / apple orchard.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

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Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/1/16 Alvaro García :
>   
>> There is no widespread support. There are some people to which you can
>> say something they don't agree with and back the argument up by saying
>> it's on Wikipedia, and they will say "Anyone can edit Wikipedia".
>> 
>
> Have you looked at the donation statistics? And the page view
> statistics? Plenty of people complain about Wikipedia, but far more
> people use it and support it on a regular basis.
>   
I have to agree with Thomas. Its the #4 site. Not the #4 information 
site. #4, overall. I'm guessing that people are using it; call me crazy 
but I think a few people are actually looking things up here.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

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Please specify which three words, thanks.

Phil Sandifer wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:26 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
>
>   
>> Link me the essay Derida wrote and I will summarize it.
>> Then your problem will disappear and we won't have to hear any more  
>> about
>> him :) (or her or it or goat).
>>
>> 
>
> Derrida is a good example, but he's not the extent of the problem.
>
>   
>> By the way, you are aware Phil, that subject's speaking about  
>> themselves,  in
>> their own articles, have a wide latitude.  Right?
>> 
>
> They do. Except for this idiotic three word phrase, inserted into NOR  
> three years ago without discussion by a single editor looking to win a  
> content dispute.
>
> Remove the phrase, problem solved.
>
> -Phil
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Re: [WikiEN-l] The Times on Wikipedia

[KillerChihuahua]

+1

Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote:
> I'm an incredibly tedious nerd in real life, so that saves time.
>
> Newyorkbrad
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>   
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article5371572.ece
>>
>>
>> I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns
>> into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
>>
>>
>> - d.
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[WikiEN-l] Australia declines censorship filtering

[KillerChihuahua]

Of possible interest to this list, although I would not have thought so 
before the IWF pulled their little stunt:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081211-aussie-isps-refuse-to-join-governments-filtering-test.html
 


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Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[KillerChihuahua]

David Gerard wrote:
> 2008/12/8 KillerChihuahua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>   
>> Oh, I loved the "Amazon has money and will sue, and (WP) is an
>> educational charity.." - so pleased you were able to wedge that in, David!
>> 
>
>
> Yes. It stops them from pointing out they're a charity too (which they
> are, legally).
>
>
> - d.
That may well be a charity, but they're not educational, they're 
repressive, which gives us very much the moral high ground here. Nicely 
done, for both (and probably sundry other) reasons. Not the least of 
which is that people occasionally give  when they hear the words 
"educational charity".

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Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[KillerChihuahua]

Oh, I loved the "Amazon has money and will sue, and (WP) is an 
educational charity.." - so pleased you were able to wedge that in, David!

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Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[KillerChihuahua]

Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:

>
> It's like that Voltaire-quote. You know which one I'm talking about
> (I'm not gonna actually say it, because only douchebags actually say
> it).
>
> --Oskar
>
>   

Does that mean I have to defend to the death your right /not/ to say it, 
so as to assist you in your quest for non-douchebagness?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[KillerChihuahua]

Lemme know when its on youtube so I can give it a listen.

:-D

David Gerard wrote:
> It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward
> to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]])
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to sabotage Wikipedia, for SEO spammers

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Simplest to find that (almost trivially simply) with a db query - I 
suggest seeing if there is a developer who doesn't mind running one.

FT2 wrote:
> Out of interest, do any edit summaries actually say "Trim internal links to
> reduce overlinking. You can help, see [[WP:Overlinking]]"? :)
>
> FT2
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Steve Summit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Durova wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone stopped to ask whether this is really worth it to the SEO?
>>> In terms of labor and cost/benefit?
>>>   
>> In that world, it's a non-issue.  For one thing, neither the
>> SEO's nor the suckers who buy their services are the sharpest
>> knives in the drawer.  (If they were sharper, they wouldn't have
>> to be bottom-feeders.)
>>
>> And if an SEO can say, "I guarantee to improve your search engine
>> rankings", and if he can convince suckers to pay him to do so,
>> then it *is* worth it to him, regardless of whether he actually
>> improves his customers' hit rates (or even whether he actually
>> improves their rankings).
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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

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Michael Everson wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2008, at 15:51, Puppy (KillerChihuahua) wrote:
>
>   
>> Take it back to the 'pedia, via talk pages and dispute resolution,  
>> as whatever happens on this list it cannot by definition resolve any  
>> content dispute on wiki.
>> 
>
> I was hoping you folks could help more helpfully. :-( I came here  
> because it isn't working there.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
Well as I said that was merely my opinion - David Gerard and several 
others are putting forth considerable effort to make a logical 
determination based upon usage statistics, if my scanning of their 
emails is correct, so you may receive the help you were hoping for from 
others here. I merely wished to note that few things on Wikipedia are 
ever solved or settled completely, and any solution must pass muster on 
the wiki itself after being proposed here.

-kc-

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Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

[Puppy (KillerChihuahua)]

We could call them both Eyre (Papist) and Eyre (Damned) and annoy 
everyone even more thoroughly, although I sincerely doubt anything will 
work in the opposite direction and calm the situation. Someone said at 
the beginning of this that this is one of those longstanding 
disagreements; I concur it will not be easily or even perhaps ever 
resolved. Take it back to the 'pedia, via talk pages and dispute 
resolution, as whatever happens on this list it cannot by definition 
resolve any content dispute on wiki.

One puppy's opinion.

Andrew Gray wrote:
>
> Maybe we should compromise on calling the country [[Secessionist
> Ireland]], and rename [[Northern Ireland]] to [[Occupied Ireland]].
> Annoy and mislead both sides equally :-)
>
> More seriously, what I don't understand here is why there's opposition
> to primary disambiguation at [[Ireland]], at least as a temporary
> measure - I get the impression there's not any broad support for the
> current approach as the best option, and almost everyone seems to
> concur "Republic of Ireland" isn't very good. You seem to be the one
> with experience of the fight...
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to sabotage Wikipedia, for SEO spammers

[Puppy (KillerChihuahua)]

Several odious personages, actually. I scanned some of the comments, and 
they are all ethically challenged:

- - - comment from article - - -
Comment by Melanie Phung 
- 2008-11-06 12:19:37

I’ll take that one step further. Start by spamming the crap out of the 
Wikipedia page in question with internal Wiki links — add links to as 
many Wikipedia pages as quickly as you can, they should be barely relevant.

In my experience, adding a huge volume of internal links all at once can 
trip a Google filter and make the page disappear from the SERP (at least 
for a little while).

Then in a day or so you can go back (obviously from a different 
IP/account) and remove all those links PLUS many of the original legit 
links in the name of cleaning up after “the spammer”. Just make sure you 
don’t look too obvious.

This accomplishes two things: 1) you might succeed in knocking the page 
off Google’s front page for appearing to have gained a spammy link 
profile and 2) it gives you a legit looking reason to remove existing 
links on powerful Wiki pages.

- - - end comment from article - - -

Notice the stated aim is not to be ethical at all, the aim is to have a 
legit "looking" reason. The only concerns raised at all were either "But 
how do you prevent being caught?" and one very weak comment that "That's 
why this is blue hat, not white hat".

Meh.


David Gerard wrote:
> http://www.bluehatseo.com/how-to-overthrow-a-wikipedia-result/
>
> What an odious person.
>
>
> - d.
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