Re: [WikiEN-l] Kafkaesque story on the English Wikipedia

[Sarah Ewart]

To be clear, John is not an OTRS agent. I believe he was saying that
he had checked with people who are agents ("multiple sources") but
he's not one himself (though he is subscribed to the unblock-en-l
mailing list as a former admin).


On 8/30/10, K. Peachey  wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Doe 
> wrote:
>> Ive double checked with multiple sources and cross referenced both
>> unblock-en and OTRS (in case you mixed up your emails) and can find no
>> record of a request or email from you to either group. So Unless your
>> using
>> even more sockpuppets than your claiming, (or used an unknown email
>> address,
>> failed to state your IP address, user account or blocking admin. Which is
>> very unlikely) You are full of bullshit. Please stop lying, or admit to
>> all
>> your sock puppets, because with the information that you have provided,
>> the
>> logs for both unblock-en-l and OTRS prove that you did not send or get a
>> message from either group.
>>
>> John
> As a OTRS member, do you really believe the language you just used in
> that email as appropriate?
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

[Sarah Ewart]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Sarah Ewart wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, George Herbert <
> george.herb...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Where was Robert Corell's article previously?  Perhaps my search was
> >> inadequate but I didn't find it looking quickly...
> >>
> >>
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell
> >
> As of 28 September 2009 when an IP number tagged it for AfD, it was
> unreferenced and CV-like. It was untagged but no further work was done,
> despite it being an unreferenced BLP. The subsequent history doesn't
> show up an actual deletion? Am I supposed to be able to see that it has
> been deleted?
>
>
Yes, it does, check the page log. It was deleted for about five days.


* 14:07, 27 January 2010 The
Cunctator<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Cunctator>
(talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Cunctator> |
contribs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Cunctator>
|
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/The_Cunctator>)
restored "Robert
W. Corell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell>" ‎ (19 revisions
restored: Adding references

* 03:56, 22 January 2010 Scott
MacDonald<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scott_MacDonald>
(talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scott_MacDonald> |
contribs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Scott_MacDonald>
|
block <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/Scott_MacDonald>) deleted
"Robert W. Corell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell>" ‎ (
biography <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP> unreferenced for
nearly 3 years)




> Charles
> **
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

[Sarah Ewart]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, George Herbert wrote:

> Where was Robert Corell's article previously?  Perhaps my search was
> inadequate but I didn't find it looking quickly...
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

[Sarah Ewart]

Getting back Dixon, I've found an article about "offbeat attractions" in
Virginia which was published in the "Roanoke Times and World News" that
says:

Displays lead you from Dixon's birth in Wisconsin in 1904** (she liked to
say it was 1918), through her short singing career, her marriage and her
meetings with presidents and celebrities. You can hear an audio clip of
Dixon making a prediction, view her notes on Nostradamus' forecasts and see
her ornate, gold-crowned bed that once belonged to French Empress Eugenie.

-Sarah
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Re: [WikiEN-l] "Permission required" on copyright expired images...

[Sarah Ewart]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Carcharoth wrote:

> Is that "date taken" or "date published"? This is why provenance of
> photographs (both photographer and publication details, and dates) is
> important. You should also make clear *who* is saying that this
> photograph was taken in 1903. Sometimes publication and photographed
> dates are mixed up. Also, the location where something is published
> can be important.


If the photographer is known, it's 'taken before 1 Jan 1955'.  If the
photographer is not known or they are anonymous or pseudonymous, it's 'taken
or published before 1 Jan 1955'.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] "Permission required" on copyright expired images...

[Sarah Ewart]

Steve, that image is now PD in Australia. In Australia, the copyright of
photographs taken prior to 1 January 1955 has expired and they are now in
the public domain. The template for using PD Australian images on Wikipedia
is here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Australia and Commons -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Australia.

There's some old discussion about the Australian libraries claiming
permission requirements for reuse under the first section on the talk page
of the template on Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-Australia).
It seems to be pretty much standard now for the Australian libraries (and
other cultural institutions) to have similar permission notes on their
websites, but sometimes their permission requirements are just ensuring they
get credit for where the image came from and backlinks to their site.



On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Steve Bennett  wrote:

> Question for the copyright experts. See this image:
> http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/01000/B838.htm
>
> It's over 100 years old, and there is no clear copyright statement
> (ie, the photographer isn't listed). Yet they say "Any other use
> requires permission from the State Library of South Australia."
>
> 1) On what basis can they demand that users ask permission?
> 2) In what circumstances can Commons or Wikipedia ignore such a
> demand, and assert that the image is public domain or copyright
> expired?
> 3) What is the status of an image which is probably copyright, but no
> one knows who owns the copyright?
>
> I realise that this case might be a bit borderline, so if you prefer,
> imagine that the image was old enough that we could reasonably assume
> the photographer has been dead more than 70 years.
>
> Steve
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Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

[Sarah Ewart]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dan Dascalescu <
ddascalescu+wikipe...@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 06:23,  wrote:
>
>
>
> This is similar to the whole "fair use" brouhaha at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Madeleine_close2.jpg#Licence (the
> photo of Madeleine McCann, a child who's been missing for 2 years) -
> as if Madeleine's family wouldn't wholeheartedly agree to that picture
> being plastered on every website in the world.


I'm sure thats correct and it also makes it easy to resolve - get
permission.  I think they're fairly accessible through their website, so an
editor could simply email them, explain what's needed and ask them to
release an image under a compatible license or to provide one that's already
been released under a free license. These types of disputes are usually
easier and quicker to actually resolve than it is to complain and argue
about it.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

[Sarah Ewart]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, David Goodman  wrote:

> The nonsense this can lead to is visible in a current AfD,
> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hugo Austin ,   where the nominator's
> argument is that all the articles on all characters of the famous
> australian soap opera Home and Away should be deleted, because they
> are either too long or too short. Most of them are in fact, too long
> or too short , and need to be fixed, but there seems a substantial
> sentiment in favor of deleting rather than fixing.


This is incorrect.

"the nominator's argument is that all the articles on all characters of the
famous australian soap opera Home and Away should be deleted"

No, not all character articles were nominated. Notable characters such as
Sally Fletcher, Pippa Ross, Charlie Buckton, Lance Smart and others were not
nominated.

"should be deleted, because they are either too long or too short. "

This was not the nomination rationale at all. The comment about some being
very long and others being very short was just a description of the
articles, not a deletion rationale (of course, it would be an absurd reason
to delete). The nominator's deletion rationale was based on notability,
reliable sources and written in an "in universe" style.

I'm not going to get into any debate here on en-l but please be more careful
not to misrepresent AFD nominations currently in progress.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

No offense Durova but not all police departments in the world are the same
as yours. As the victim of a serious violent crime (I was shot in the chest
at point-blank range) and a former youth minister who worked in outreach in
a red-light district, I've had plenty of dealings with the police and I can
only say that I'm grateful that not all police departments in the world are
as you have apparently experienced. Even if actual charges are not viable,
there are other ways the police can help that can often have a wake-up call
effect, if not for the young person but for the parent/guardian. If your
police department makes complainants "look foolish" because they are
inexperienced with reporting procedures then I can only sympathise with
people who live in your district but that certainly isn't the case for all
police departments.


On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Durova  wrote:

> As someone who really did open an FBI case last year about a credible
> threat
> that arose from wiki-stuff, some of y'all need a primer on Goin' to the
> Cops
> 101.
>
> 1. Their time and resources are finite.
> 2. They don't like paperwork.
> 3. Part of their job is to quell people who want to misuse the system for
> frivolous complaints.
>
> So you get a series of questions.  Stuff like:
> * Why do you consider this a threat?
> * Are you really scared by that?
> * Have you contacted the ISP?
> * What have they done?
> * Have you contacted the folks who run Wikipedia?
> * What have they done?
> * Why didn't you call us sooner?
>
> And if you don't have good answers to all those questions plus records of
> the doors you knocked on before calling law enforcement, you'll end up
> looking pretty foolish.  And when you think how many people who really deal
> with criminal stalkers have trouble getting rudimentary help from the law
> because they're the needle in a haystack of frivolous complaints, you may
> feel regret.
>
> Grawp targeted me too.  It was an annoyance.  Be reasonable, people.  Start
> up a petition to the ISP.
>
> -Durova
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:02 PM, [[User:Thinboy00]] <
thinboy00+wikipedial...@gmail.com >wrote:

> so are we calling the police or not?
>

No, "we" aren't; it's up to the people who have been targets of death, rape
and violence threats and whose children have been threatened with rape and
murder to decide for themselves if they want to take that step or not. I
would personally support people who wanted to do so and I hope the
Foundation would, too, but it's a decision those people have to make for
themselves.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell  wrote:

>>
> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or more) of
> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal complaint to the
> police.
>
> Marc Riddell

I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this talk about
blocking the ISP, bots and so on would quickly become unnecessary once
a couple of complaints were made to the police and he and his family
were dealing with the FBI or the police on their doorstep

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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

I am not a lawyer so perhaps I say this in ignorance, however, I find it
hard to believe that the best way of handling this is by arguing that Jeremy
Hanson poses a "public or common nuisance" to the people of Virginia and
that we should ask local a judge to "summon a special grand jury" to
investigate the complaint. It seems to me the victims of his death, rape and
violence threats and harassment, who are global, not merely located in
Virgina, should simply start reporting each instance to local law
enforcement and that the Foundation should support this by providing
relevant data and also either pursue a complaint through his ISP or support
administrators doing so. I think a visit from the police/FBI is more likely
to get through to him and his family than this Special Grand Jury stuff.


On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Jay Litwyn  wrote:

> Notice that it doesn't say "country". It says "county". That means all five
> plaintiffs must be from Virginia. The phrase "Special Grand Jury" sounds
> hard to my ears, too. I would love to say that laws back up our editorial
> policy, and in this case, his phone number or sock puppets that have not
> yet
> been officially confirmed, but are about to be and are in operation, are
> about the best channels, ATM.
>
> His activity does violate TOS or AUP, and I do not see Verizon enforcing it
> anytime soon. Anybody else try to raise interest from secur...@verizon.net
> ?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Soxred93" 
> To: "English Wikipedia" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
>
>
> I don't think it'll be hard to get 5 people...
>
> X!
>
> On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:01 AM [Dec 24, 2008 ], FT2 wrote:
>
> > :)
> >
> >
> > FT2
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jay Litwyn 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal
> >> law,
> >> because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to
> >> being very
> >> slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well
> >> for
> >> their
> >> taking action on snail mail.
> >>
> >> § 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
> >>
> >> When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the
> >> corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more
> >> citizens
> >> of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a
> >> public or
> >> common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation,
> >> shall summon
> >> a
> >> special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term
> >> of such
> >> court, to specially investigate such complaint.
> >>
> >> (Code 1919, § 1520.)
> >>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Jay Litwyn  wrote:

> From: "Sarah Ewart" :
> > I think the only options remaining are to start reporting him to the
> > police.
>
> If anyone else wants to know which police to contact, then these few things
> might be useful. Basically, you would start with...Is this legal?...I don't
> want him on my project, because...and this is how I know who he is. You
> might get some help with that from verizon's abuse contact or their abuse
> phone number. Sometimes, I'll warn ya, you can get more help from abuse
> contacts than cops, just because they're equipped to verify that e-mail
> directed at you came through them.


I agree that sometimes it can be more effective going through the ISP and if
they were able to confirm to the mother that, yes, in fact, this was done
from your IP address, it might help snap her out of her obvious denial.
However, in reference to the police, it's not just a matter of not wanting
him on the project - he's making death threats and threats of sexual
violence against not only our editors and admins but their children as well.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Sarah Ewart]

I think the only options remaining are to start reporting him to the police.
It's easy to dismiss complaints received online from strangers and believe
her precious son isn't capable of making death threats and threats of sexual
violence but if she starts getting visits from the police and/or FBI it
might wake her up from her own naiveté. I can understand her being upset
about receiving an email about her son from someone she doesn't know but if
she really believes that Grawp is someone else who is just poking fun at her
son then she's got her head in the sand and won't be convinced by any
evidence we can present her with no matter how compelling. So I think it's
at the stage where we decide we're going to just accept it or we take it to
the next level and involve law enforcement.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Fran Rogers  wrote:

> You all may remember [[User:JarlaxleArtemis]], who has been "editing" the
> English Wikipedia since 2004, at age 15. Originally he was an apparently
> good-faith editor, but was sanctioned by ArbCom in early 2005 for somewhat
> immature outbursts, copyright violations, and erratic behavior; eventually
> he pulled such stunts as putting his teacher's e-mail address on his
> userpage encouraging people to harass the "fucking bitch," e-mail bombing
> people who deleted his copyvios, and finally impersonating users and
> vandalizing with what would come to be hundreds of sockpuppets, all while
> claiming to be the victim. He was banned:
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/JarlaxleArte
> mis_2
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Linuxbeak/Admin_stuff/Jarlaxl
> eArtemis
> <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Linuxbeak/Admin_stuff/Jarlax
> leArtemis&action=edit&oldid=117471376>
> &action=edit&oldid=117471376
>
>
>
> He sockpuppeted and vandalized for a while after that, but apparently
> disappeared in 2006. One would have hoped maybe he grew out of his teenage
> phase and decided to get on with doing something productive instead.
>
>
>
> But sadly, the story doesn't end there. In mid-2007, he reappeared with a
> new "persona"... the move-vandal "Grawp." Unlike his ostensible predecessor
> Willy on Wheels, who at least had a harmless light-hearted flair to him, as
> "Grawp" Jarlaxle relished in specifically targeting users and sticking
> their
> personal information (usually gleaned from Daniel Brandt's website) in his
> page-move titles along with death threats and rape threats. Eventually we
> discovered that Grawp was in fact JarlaxleArtemis, and he only got more
> persistent and venomous (probably because as Jarlaxle, he was very open
> about his real-life identity and location himself.)
>
>
>
> About a week ago, having been one of Jarlaxle's recent targets, I decided
> to
> take matters into my own hand, and found his mother's contact information
> and wrote to her to inform her of the awful misdeeds her son's been up to.
> (While Jarlaxle is 19, he lives with his mother, and performs most of his
> vandalism from her Internet connection.) Instead of replying to me,
> however,
> she complained to OTRS that I was falsely accusing her son, who she
> insisted
> was JarlaxleArtemis but not Grawp. Jarlaxle then proceeded to prove her
> wrong... by vandalizing multiple wikis as "Grawp" later that night from the
> same IP address his mother sent her e-mail from. The ticket was handed to
> ArbCom, who replied to her with this evidence and the assurance that her
> son
> was in fact the one responsible... but received a response that she didn't
> believe them, didn't care, and was blocking all further e-mail from
> Wikimedia. (Though it's been suggested that Jarlaxle himself may have
> written that mail.) And he's continued to vandalize as recently as tonight.
>
>
>
> Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old and in
> college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. Yet he
> still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the Internet,
> even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his identity is
> known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them to him,
> and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. And he
> still
> soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to titles "I
> will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be running
> through his mind? And how can he be stopped?
>
>
>
> -Fran
>
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