Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. Perhaps we could add a front-end proxy check to all connections from previously unknown IPs. If the account isn't on the known proxy users exemption list, then zap the IP... -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
You mean something similar to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgBlockOpenProxies ? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ProcseeBotlooks like the best solution to the proxy part atm. It would be good if we could get it to run with global blocks. - Chris On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. Perhaps we could add a front-end proxy check to all connections from previously unknown IPs. If the account isn't on the known proxy users exemption list, then zap the IP... -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: You mean something similar to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgBlockOpenProxies ? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ProcseeBotlooks like the best solution to the proxy part atm. It would be good if we could get it to run with global blocks. - Chris On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. Perhaps we could add a front-end proxy check to all connections from previously unknown IPs. If the account isn't on the known proxy users exemption list, then zap the IP... Wonders (and poorly-known features) will never cease. Anyone run with that on and got good CPU / net load data on it? -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Its disabled for very good reason If you enable this, every editor's IP address will be scanned for open HTTP proxies. Good luck getting someone to enable it. - Chris On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: You mean something similar to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgBlockOpenProxies ? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ProcseeBotlooks like the best solution to the proxy part atm. It would be good if we could get it to run with global blocks. - Chris On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. Perhaps we could add a front-end proxy check to all connections from previously unknown IPs. If the account isn't on the known proxy users exemption list, then zap the IP... Wonders (and poorly-known features) will never cease. Anyone run with that on and got good CPU / net load data on it? -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
The problem is not so much that he edits from a range as much as he abuses proxies. If you don't know, proxies are a way to appear as if you are posting from a different address. So in reality a determined person like grawp can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) In theory as long as grawp has the motivation, he can keep this game up indefinitely, until he is stopped by someone offline (police, parents) or until we have working programs that reliably detect his behavior and undoes it without human assistance. If it were just the one range we would have blocked it long ago, but it is not. On 1/18/09, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.net wrote: I hav dynamic IP, myself, and it seems that typically, I get the same IP I had last time if it is available, and it is always within the same 64k block. What is more impractical is the manpower demanded by what we are doing now, which is blocking one IP# at a time. Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:7c865bab0901152055r26e14a02r8bbb19127b718...@mail.gmail.com... On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:47 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. Yes, we do have a rule. We also have a rule against vandalism. Hanson does not care for rules. Anonymizer.com is just one proxy. There are thousands of proxies. He also edits through a normal ISP. We can't range block that; it would be impractical. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GRAWPTHEGIANT07 BTW, since this guy has been confirmed as LtWinters, then my suspicion that he is grawp is also confirmed. I will look for the template for placing that suspicion, because I am not sure that the same people are looking at the same records. I see no reason why a different vandal would use the name of a chased vandal. For that matter, there are three spellings of Psychonaut, and the simple one is still active for some reason. The problem with increasing the account age requirements for moving a page is that it penalizes ALL NEW USERS, not just those with verizon who *might* be personally affected, and only at an inconvenience. There are ways around it and I do not see that Grawp is using them extensively. I see one obvious range on his checkuser page that probably *was* blocked. Verizon is big and no RFC that I know of concerns how IP numbers are allotted. The blocks he has direct access to might concern a district or an entire city. Serious editors with an account on wikipedia are only about one in ten thousand. The advantage to blocking verizon, 64k at a time according to their whois records, is that we might actually get a response from them, saying, yes, he is with us, yes, we do hav a policy problem concerning him, and we are concerning his mother. They hav a policy regarding unwanted communication. All they need is feedback from their own users to get it enforced. I do not really *know* that they ignored previous e-mails from me. I suspect that they might actually pay attention to fifty. collateral damage is too strong of a military euphemism for unintended death. Please use unintended delays or requring rudimentarily confirmed channels, because that is all that is entailed. Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote in message news:781c50250901152204q733764aayc1d2758c0201a...@mail.gmail.com... In my experience these kinds of problems need to be dealt with firmly, with a minimum of collateral damage, but in a reactive way that tells the vandal that they can't in general win, in no uncertain terms. Messing around with proxy blocks and filters and stuff- it's much too brittle, it's probably never going to work. I think the easiest and most effective way to handle this GRAWP issue is just to temporarily increase the account age requirement for page moves to (say) 6 months on the wikipedia, and make any account less recent than that go through an admin. If it puts him out of business he'll probably get bored and stop. In a few weeks we could try reducing it again, and if he starts back up, raise it again promptly. The point is, there is no way around that; he can't win. Even if he ages accounts we just raise the requirement, wait a while, and then lower it again. Rinse, lather, repeat. The point is to give them the idea that they're up against an implacable obstacle; which... they are. -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfectly imperfect world. Life in a perfectly imperfect world would be much better. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
I asked *where*, as in a link. Even suspected sockpuppets are fine, because checkuser is not a crystal ball, and I am not too shabby at patterns. The standard for reporting to police is common assault. That means an explicit threat of violence against a specific individual, organization or group. It is a lot more common in bars where you can read how serious they are. Hence the question to Durova about How did that make you feel?. (It makes the written medium more difficult, and not impossible). The transaction must be accessible to police if not me. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarrukhdiff=prevoldid=186083986 That counts as a personal attack on wikipedia. It does not count as common assault, so I do not see any visits from the F.B.I. prompted by the R.C.M.P., for Jeremy Hanson, today. Maybe some phone calls from vocal wikipedians...'What was the point of that comment you made to , saying ..., no wonder some people want to block Verizon... Why don't you spend time in news://alt.flame ? ... Lotsa room for a potty mouth in there. For that matter, there is room for people who want to make serious accusations against high and ancient religious figures. From the latin it is Of the dead, only good. Following that standard, Hitler will be forgotten. Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:7c865bab0901151825h326d3189jbcd577b410c19...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:40 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: a.. 2007-09-05T20:26:03 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Muhammad ? (moved Talk:Muhammad to Talk:Muhammad raped little children, and he was a known prostitute, aka male whore. He worshiped Satan and sacrificed babies in his name.) Okay...This is about the worst I hav found, and it does not go under the heading of common assault. So, where is this stuff where Jeremy Hanson makes threats about doing things like this? Overall, he seems like a bot that likes moving things to HAGGER. Under verizon's acceptable use policy, if they were enforcing it, yes, he could find himself and his mother disjoined from the internet. Under the law though, it is not common assault, so that hoped-for visit from feds is not likely. Hate-crimes? I did not look there, yet. They are not big in the western world. Remember the cartoons published? So, in total, I think range blocks are the best way to go. People with IDs will still be able to edit from verizon, and in fact people can obtain IDs via-e-mail, so I think collateral damage is a strong term for unintentional and temporary blocks. This will let the clerks nail down all of Grawp's accounts before he creates new ones. In a world of rampant excellence, verizon's users will ask verizon why, and verizon will ask someone at wikipedia in turn. Where is the common assault? You clearly haven't looked very far then. He's made hundreds of attacks on editors in page moves and username creations. I won't say what they are, but I assure you, they are nasty. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Then I think the thing to do is urge the developers to provide some sort of global block list... Perhaps this is an issue to discuss on meta. From what you describe, wikimedia would have to take a hsefline against *all* proxies on *all* wikimedia foundation wikis. This would then have to be enforced by a global IP block list... On 1/18/09, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- Sent from my mobile device ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Hsefline should be hardline... Sorry about the double post. On 1/18/09, Wilhelm Schnotz wilh...@nixeagle.org wrote: Then I think the thing to do is urge the developers to provide some sort of global block list... Perhaps this is an issue to discuss on meta. From what you describe, wikimedia would have to take a hsefline against *all* proxies on *all* wikimedia foundation wikis. This would then have to be enforced by a global IP block list... On 1/18/09, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get comprimised daily... So new open proxies are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like http://www.1freeproxy.com/feed/atom/ (rss feed for just proxies) in so that they are automatically blocked, which i believe is Wikipedia's policy anyway. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- Sent from my mobile device -- Sent from my mobile device ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
a.. 2007-09-05T20:26:03 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Muhammad ? (moved Talk:Muhammad to Talk:Muhammad raped little children, and he was a known prostitute, aka male whore. He worshiped Satan and sacrificed babies in his name.) Okay...This is about the worst I hav found, and it does not go under the heading of common assault. So, where is this stuff where Jeremy Hanson makes threats about doing things like this? Overall, he seems like a bot that likes moving things to HAGGER. Under verizon's acceptable use policy, if they were enforcing it, yes, he could find himself and his mother disjoined from the internet. Under the law though, it is not common assault, so that hoped-for visit from feds is not likely. Hate-crimes? I did not look there, yet. They are not big in the western world. Remember the cartoons published? So, in total, I think range blocks are the best way to go. People with IDs will still be able to edit from verizon, and in fact people can obtain IDs via-e-mail, so I think collateral damage is a strong term for unintentional and temporary blocks. This will let the clerks nail down all of Grawp's accounts before he creates new ones. In a world of rampant excellence, verizon's users will ask verizon why, and verizon will ask someone at wikipedia in turn. Where is the common assault? ___ Nobody can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com wrote in message news:c7c66430812141923r3605e9a3s175d1dcb3418...@mail.gmail.com... Grawp has been a problem for a very long time and not only on the english wikipedia but on every single wikimedia wiki as well as about 200 other wikis and wikia and even though most of his edits were just page moves with links to shocksites, but quite recently within the last 6 month, he has started to randomly attack users both on their sex and religion and quite recently he has stoop so low as to attack the users family members and children which is most definitely the nail to the coffin. This has gone far enough and since the mother does not want to take matters to her own hands, we may have to take this one step further and go to the feds because internet bullying and harassment is a CRIME and its about time he paid the price..we have had enough !! -- Cometstyles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:40 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: a.. 2007-09-05T20:26:03 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Muhammad ? (moved Talk:Muhammad to Talk:Muhammad raped little children, and he was a known prostitute, aka male whore. He worshiped Satan and sacrificed babies in his name.) Okay...This is about the worst I hav found, and it does not go under the heading of common assault. So, where is this stuff where Jeremy Hanson makes threats about doing things like this? Overall, he seems like a bot that likes moving things to HAGGER. Under verizon's acceptable use policy, if they were enforcing it, yes, he could find himself and his mother disjoined from the internet. Under the law though, it is not common assault, so that hoped-for visit from feds is not likely. Hate-crimes? I did not look there, yet. They are not big in the western world. Remember the cartoons published? So, in total, I think range blocks are the best way to go. People with IDs will still be able to edit from verizon, and in fact people can obtain IDs via-e-mail, so I think collateral damage is a strong term for unintentional and temporary blocks. This will let the clerks nail down all of Grawp's accounts before he creates new ones. In a world of rampant excellence, verizon's users will ask verizon why, and verizon will ask someone at wikipedia in turn. Where is the common assault? You clearly haven't looked very far then. He's made hundreds of attacks on editors in page moves and username creations. I won't say what they are, but I assure you, they are nasty. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
He uses proxies, rangeblocks won't help. - Chris On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Range blocks are ridiculous overkill. Hey let's black out Illinois just for the fun of it! See if anyone complains! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62 ) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Range blocks are ridiculous overkill. Hey let's black out Illinois just for the fun of it! See if anyone complains! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. ___ No one can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote in message news:725b770d0901151828j6c7d87ffkb90d5a52288d8...@mail.gmail.com... He uses proxies, rangeblocks won't help. - Chris On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Range blocks are ridiculous overkill. Hey let's black out Illinois just for the fun of it! See if anyone complains! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62 ) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:47 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. Yes, we do have a rule. We also have a rule against vandalism. Hanson does not care for rules. Anonymizer.com is just one proxy. There are thousands of proxies. He also edits through a normal ISP. We can't range block that; it would be impractical. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
With all due respect, you appear to have no idea what you're talking about. Nathan On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. ___ No one can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Grawp doesn't just do page moves. Also good luck finding consensus for such a change. - Chris On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.comwrote: In my experience these kinds of problems need to be dealt with firmly, with a minimum of collateral damage, but in a reactive way that tells the vandal that they can't in general win, in no uncertain terms. Messing around with proxy blocks and filters and stuff- it's much too brittle, it's probably never going to work. I think the easiest and most effective way to handle this GRAWP issue is just to temporarily increase the account age requirement for page moves to (say) 6 months on the wikipedia, and make any account less recent than that go through an admin. If it puts him out of business he'll probably get bored and stop. In a few weeks we could try reducing it again, and if he starts back up, raise it again promptly. The point is, there is no way around that; he can't win. Even if he ages accounts we just raise the requirement, wait a while, and then lower it again. Rinse, lather, repeat. The point is to give them the idea that they're up against an implacable obstacle; which... they are. -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfectly imperfect world. Life in a perfectly imperfect world would be much better. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
