Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
Hi Peter Thanks for your reply. I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The editor himself added his name in a post, in one other post another editor refers to him by name. From there, googling his name leads to publications that establish his association with the publisher. Regards, Rui 2015-03-21 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net: Rui, I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending on which Wikipedia is involved. In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the policy against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are mutually incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui Correia Sent: 21 March 2015 04:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests Dear All if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies. If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up username 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those sources? 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real name would be established. 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the publisher. 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet? Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should they come clean and disclose the association? Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will be welcome. Regards, Rui Correia -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9349 - Release Date: 03/21/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
Thanks, Geni I just wanted to hear a few opinions before making it 'official' by taking it up on a notice board. I will try the list you suggest. Regards, Rui 2015-03-21 18:53 GMT+02:00 geni geni...@gmail.com: On 21 March 2015 at 15:22, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter Thanks for your reply. I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The English Wikipedia has an adequate selection of noticeboards where you can ask such a question or alternatively it has its own mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
Hi Rui, I have no idea of the policies of other Wikipedias in this matter, they may be identical for all I know, or may differ considerably. That is why I qualified my response. The possibility exists that more than one person may have the same name, and he may not be the same person associated with the publisher. If he denies that he is the same person, then the policy of privacy and not divulging a user's identity should still apply. It is a difficult problem. I don’t know of a transparent and fair solution that is compatible with the Wikipedia policies. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui Correia Sent: 21 March 2015 05:22 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests Hi Peter Thanks for your reply. I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The editor himself added his name in a post, in one other post another editor refers to him by name. From there, googling his name leads to publications that establish his association with the publisher. Regards, Rui 2015-03-21 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net: Rui, I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending on which Wikipedia is involved. In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the policy against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are mutually incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui Correia Sent: 21 March 2015 04:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests Dear All if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies. If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up username 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those sources? 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real name would be established. 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the publisher. 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet? Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should they come clean and disclose the association? Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will be welcome. Regards, Rui Correia -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9349 - Release Date: 03/21/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
On 21 March 2015 at 15:22, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter Thanks for your reply. I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The English Wikipedia has an adequate selection of noticeboards where you can ask such a question or alternatively it has its own mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
Rui, I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending on which Wikipedia is involved. In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the policy against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are mutually incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui Correia Sent: 21 March 2015 04:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests Dear All if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies. If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up username 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those sources? 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real name would be established. 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the publisher. 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet? Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should they come clean and disclose the association? Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will be welcome. Regards, Rui Correia -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9349 - Release Date: 03/21/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests
Dear All if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies. If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up username 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those sources? 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real name would be established. 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the publisher. 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet? Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should they come clean and disclose the association? Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will be welcome. Regards, Rui Correia -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
