Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
Well, I tried to upload some material in lieu of a full writeup, but I got this: Fatal error: Call to undefined method UploadFromFile::initialize() in /srv/www/www.wikimedia.org.au/html/w/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 17 Are uploads disabled/broken at the moment? Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers ) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that date. Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for an outreach conference they wanted to run because it fell through and didn't end up going ahead. Paying back the funds was a real headache for the committee (especially for Brian as the then-treasurer) and it took a considerable amount of time to resolve with the foundation. I don't want to see this happen again so I'd oppose any moves to rush through any ill-considered applications just to get them in before May 15
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
Yeah, I know. I had the same problem when trying to upload some images from the Berlin meeting but I forgot to mention it to Werdna. There is an alternative, though Craig - you can use InstantCommons. Just upload your file to Commons and link to it on our website in the same way as when linking to Commons material on WP. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, I tried to upload some material in lieu of a full writeup, but I got this: Fatal error: Call to undefined method UploadFromFile::initialize() in /srv/www/www.wikimedia.org.au/html/w/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 17 Are uploads disabled/broken at the moment? Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers ) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
I honestly don't know much about Commons policy so hopefully someone can clarify their scope. They do have WM presentations and such hosted there though (eg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_presentations and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_promotion which both include pdf presentations). Werdna is working on the website problem. Apparently it happened as a result of a failed MediaWiki upgrade when he was trying to fix the upload problems. He said he's working on it now and it should be fixed in the next hour or two. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Forgive me for being clueless, but what’s the Commons policy on meta-useful content though? The media in question is a PDF of the slideshow that I had (it was originally sourced as a .pptx file), I figure that if we make adjustments to make it more generic (which shouldn’t be all that hard), it might be a nice base for people in other states and regions to work off of. I’m not sure if that’s in-scope as far as Commons is concerned. Which is all moot, because the whole chapter website seems to be down at the moment anyway! Cheers, Craig *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Ewart *Sent:* Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:18 PM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Yeah, I know. I had the same problem when trying to upload some images from the Berlin meeting but I forgot to mention it to Werdna. There is an alternative, though Craig - you can use InstantCommons. Just upload your file to Commons and link to it on our website in the same way as when linking to Commons material on WP. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, I tried to upload some material in lieu of a full writeup, but I got this: Fatal error: Call to undefined method UploadFromFile::initialize() in /srv/www/www.wikimedia.org.au/html/w/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 17 Are uploads disabled/broken at the moment? Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
Yeah, I've sort of been a deadbeat in not shouting about the Wiki-in-the-Classroom much project so far. The short version is that we did a session at a high school, presenting to teachers. The pilot presentation went very well and we got fantastic feedback. I've done something of an in-depth dissection of the whole thing, which I'll try and polish and put on the chapter wiki by the end of the weekend (as well as the Powerpoint material that I prepared). I'd also like to point out that I'm by no means the only person who's been working on this, and the contributions from my fellow WMAU members Nicola Hourigan and Andrew Owens to what we've been doing shouldn't be overlooked! Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers ) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that date. Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for an outreach conference
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
Hi, I'll be straight up and state I'm not going to support this, for a variety of reasons. Firstly, I don't think our chapter is capable of producing a grant application to the standard WMF require for such a big area (education) in 10 days that addresses all the things WMF expect us to address. Secondly, this appears to be trying to reinvent the wheel. Craig's project up in Brisbane is already making significant advances, at least three other chapter members have made contacts with (or have been contacted by) educational departments and representative associations, and completed resources already in use in schools exist in other languages from other chapters - I'm presently trying to secure translations of these on behalf of the chapter. Without any attempt to coordinate the various approaches, we're not only less effective but also give the outward appearance of being disorganised to the various educational bodies involved. Thirdly, given your recent conflict with, among other people, Jimbo Wales and various concerns about past occasions when you have undertaken chapter work (in particular the Dictionary of Sydney episode), I do not think you personally should be making any outward representation of our chapter and, if the grant were to be approved, I think someone else should lead it. kindest regards Andrew On 5 May 2010 11:46, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant like this? I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education, hopefully in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in the next week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward it to the grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate? I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to engage with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or opportunities, please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get them going :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working_group:_Volunteers) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that date. Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for an outreach conference they wanted to run because it fell through and didn't end up going ahead. Paying back the funds was a real headache for the committee (especially for Brian as the then-treasurer) and it took a considerable amount of time to resolve with the foundation. I don't want to see this happen again so I'd oppose any moves to rush through any ill-considered applications just to get them in before May 15 or that seem more orientated on getting money for the sake of it or for the simple stated purpose of engaging with the grant process. Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run. If we have to pay back another grant, it's going to reflect very poorly on the chapter so this isn't something that should just be slapped together at the last minute. I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications. On 5/5/10, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'll be straight up and state I'm not going to support this, for a variety of reasons. Firstly, I don't think our chapter is capable of producing a grant application to the standard WMF require for such a big area (education) in 10 days that addresses all the things WMF expect us to address. Secondly, this appears to be trying to reinvent the wheel. Craig's project up in Brisbane is already making significant advances, at least three other chapter members have made contacts with (or have been contacted by) educational departments and representative associations, and completed resources already in use in schools exist in other languages from other chapters - I'm presently trying to secure translations of these on behalf of the chapter. Without any attempt to coordinate the various approaches, we're not only less effective but also give the outward appearance of being disorganised to the various educational bodies involved. Thirdly, given your recent conflict with, among other people, Jimbo Wales and various concerns about past occasions when you have undertaken chapter work (in particular the Dictionary of Sydney episode), I do not think you personally should be making any outward representation of our chapter and, if the grant were to be approved, I think someone else should lead it. kindest regards Andrew On 5 May 2010 11:46, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant like this? I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education, hopefully in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in the next week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward it to the grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate? I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to engage with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or opportunities, please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get them going :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application. One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) was the Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs also undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included petrol, accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and a few others talking along similar lines. I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that some areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from a WA point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm sure anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within reach) which falls into this category. In the past, despite my non-car-ownership, I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians, Mattinbgn and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of things like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our articles and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an appropriate plan. The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars (15-20?) who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time with a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people available made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and do different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot with local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so were able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected audience. Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages the membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of purpose and the goals of WMF, tick. OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think? On 5 May 2010 17:30, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working_group:_Volunteers ) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in. I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my notes are up on the wiki here- http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working _group:_Volunteers ) and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that date. Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for an outreach conference they wanted to run because it fell through and didn't end up going ahead. Paying back the funds was a real headache for the committee (especially for Brian as the then-treasurer) and it took a considerable amount of time to resolve with the foundation. I don't want to see this happen again so I'd oppose any moves to rush through any ill-considered applications just to get them in before May 15 or that seem more orientated on getting money for the sake of it or for the simple stated purpose of engaging with the grant process. Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run. If we have to pay back another grant, it's going to reflect very poorly on the chapter so this isn't something that should just be slapped together at the last minute. I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications. On 5/5/10, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'll be straight up and state I'm not going to support this, for a variety
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
I'm personally not keen on the idea of the wiki-expedition as a grants application. (For informational purposes, according to the Polish chapter reps, the wiki-expedition was originally an Australian idea which they found on Meta, but I'm not sure if the Australians who were discussing the idea ever went ahead with it). Most of us do the Wiki-expedition anyway - taking photos when we go to under-represented areas, even detouring to a place just to take photos. I'd honestly see the Wiki-expedition as a wasted grant for us - I think there are far more important projects we should be looking at for grants, particularly in the areas of education and outreach and even more GLAM work. On 5/5/10, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application. One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) was the Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs also undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included petrol, accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and a few others talking along similar lines. I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that some areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from a WA point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm sure anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within reach) which falls into this category. In the past, despite my non-car-ownership, I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians, Mattinbgn and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of things like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our articles and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an appropriate plan. The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars (15-20?) who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time with a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people available made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and do different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot with local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so were able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected audience. Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages the membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of purpose and the goals of WMF, tick. OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think? On 5 May 2010 17:30, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report card for the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long term and recent controversies throughout WMF universe which culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned, PM is really
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
You should apply for a small grant for your photography, Bidgee (either to subsidise travel or for the flash you need). On 5/5/10, bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: I just signed up to this mail list yesterday (didn't know it had existed until yesterday). I had photographed most of the Top End of the NT but lost 80% (unrecoverable) of my photos during the move down south. When I returned back to NSW my aim was to cover as much cities, suburbs, towns, villages and locality not just in NSW but other states and territories. Locations in my local (within 15km) area have been covered by walking or riding a push bike (yes it is possible) and other locations used coaches (as I don't have a car nor license [I'll get one someday]) which has meant I've needed to stay overnight and I pay out of my own pocket (My most recent Canberra trip cost me $50 [return coach ticket], $120 for overnight accommodation and $8.80 for an ACTION off-peak bus ticket [two days]) and I plan the places to photograph and map them but even then you only cover 20% in a day. In the next few weeks (sometime in June) I will be visiting Point Cook and then it will be back to Canberra (date is yet to be set) but I'm hoping to do a two or three day trip to Albury/Wodonga and Temora this year. There are so many importance and historic places (not just buildings, statues, trees ect) that have only a few photographs or none at all over Australia and the earthquake in Kalgoorlie-Boulder just proves that they can be lost forever. Maybe we should look at forming groups to cover remote areas and in areas no so remote area. I would even put out the challenge to cover some areas by public transport and push bikes. ;) Robert On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:08:03 +0800, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application. One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) was the Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs also undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included petrol, accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and a few others talking along similar lines. I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that some areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from a WA point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm sure anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within reach) which falls into this category. In the past, despite my non-car-ownership, I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians, Mattinbgn and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of things like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our articles and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an appropriate plan. The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars (15-20?) who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time with a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people available made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and do different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot with local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so were able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected audience. Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages the membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of purpose and the goals of WMF, tick. OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think? On 5 May 2010 17:30, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
This all reminds me that I really, really need to go through and upload all my southern Melbourne, Newcastle, Perth, Mandurah, Geraldton and Bunbury shots going back four years. Amazing how many you collect fully intending to upload to commons and it just never happens for one reason or another. And Bidgee, re things being lost forever - had the same idea re Marysville when that happened. kindest regards Andrew On 5 May 2010 19:18, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, Probably not the place for this but since you have brought the topic up ... I have about 50-60 photos from Temora taken last weekend that are almost ready to upload. Some beautiful churches and public buildings there. These go with the ones from Ariah Park (a very attractive town), Beckom, Mirrool (Home of the Silo Kick!) and Barmedman already uploaded and some of Ardlethan and Morundah yet to upload. Hay, Carrathool, Goolgowi (maybe Hillston) etc. are on the list for a future weekend (when sunny weather permits). Matt On 5 May 2010 20:55, bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: I just signed up to this mail list yesterday (didn't know it had existed until yesterday). I had photographed most of the Top End of the NT but lost 80% (unrecoverable) of my photos during the move down south. When I returned back to NSW my aim was to cover as much cities, suburbs, towns, villages and locality not just in NSW but other states and territories. Locations in my local (within 15km) area have been covered by walking or riding a push bike (yes it is possible) and other locations used coaches (as I don't have a car nor license [I'll get one someday]) which has meant I've needed to stay overnight and I pay out of my own pocket (My most recent Canberra trip cost me $50 [return coach ticket], $120 for overnight accommodation and $8.80 for an ACTION off-peak bus ticket [two days]) and I plan the places to photograph and map them but even then you only cover 20% in a day. In the next few weeks (sometime in June) I will be visiting Point Cook and then it will be back to Canberra (date is yet to be set) but I'm hoping to do a two or three day trip to Albury/Wodonga and Temora this year. There are so many importance and historic places (not just buildings, statues, trees ect) that have only a few photographs or none at all over Australia and the earthquake in Kalgoorlie-Boulder just proves that they can be lost forever. Maybe we should look at forming groups to cover remote areas and in areas no so remote area. I would even put out the challenge to cover some areas by public transport and push bikes. ;) Robert On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:08:03 +0800, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application. One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) was the Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs also undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included petrol, accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and a few others talking along similar lines. I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that some areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from a WA point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm sure anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within reach) which falls into this category. In the past, despite my non-car-ownership, I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians, Mattinbgn and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of things like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our articles and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an appropriate plan. The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars (15-20?) who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time with a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people available made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and do different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot with local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so were able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected audience. Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages the membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of purpose and the goals of WMF, tick. OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think? On
[Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
G'day all, does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant like this? I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education, hopefully in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in the next week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward it to the grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate? I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to engage with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or opportunities, please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get them going :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
