Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Help with an WP outreach event in Gujarat

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Responding to the conduct of WikiAcademy question inline.


 We could have a photography event (which we call Wiki loves monuments) and
 get students to get us images. We already have rules for the event and we
 can arrange a small prize or swags. That way, you don't have to specially
 call people to places or events and same time we start smaller and have
 sure results. What we essentially need is a wiki-geek (or an experienced
 editor as you call it) and someone who can communicate the idea well.


 I think you have touched on a really important point and I've been
 reflecting on it.  I think a pairing of experienced editors and reasonably
 informed newbies would be a very powerful combination.

 Caveat to my follow sentences is that I run the risk of gross
 generalisations - but bear them out as reflective of one perspective out of
 others.  One common refrain I hear from experienced community members is
 that the results from outreach efforts are sub-optimal.  The numbers that
 one gets from outreach are always going to be low (after all, globally,
 ~90k people edit out of 450+m readers so the ratios are always going to be
 low.  Informally, you will also hear that (some) attendees on sessions
 conducted by experienced wikipedians find the sessions passionate but too
 daunting and they find those conducted by newbies to be clear but somewhat
 inadequate.   Can we arrive at a best of breed?  However, there must be
 ways that we can work out how volunteer time in outreach and academies and
 workshops can get better results.  I intend to share my thoughts on this in
 the next few days - but thank you for catalysing something in my head.


It's best to not go prepared for a WikiAcademy. At the first WikiAcademy in
Mumbai, although we had a list of things to show people, we never completed
the list. This was because people wanted to know more about the interface
and the way discussions happen and conversations between user happens (talk
pages) along with the others. Being a bit of an academic crowd, they were
also interested in question of what Wikipedia meant by neutral sources and
the reliability of Wikipedia as a resource. (Thanks to Vickram Crishna for
handling those questions :) ). We were quite happy with the result, in the
end. So, it's pretty important that we do not be stiff about what they need
to learn and what they do not need to learn.

However, each Wikipedian who does a WikiAcademy has his own style and we
cannot and should not try to make these uniform, IMHO.

warm regards,
Pradeep
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Any Wikipedians in Bharuch?

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

In between the conference preparations, I got a job offer and moved to
Bharuch, a town situated in between Surat and Baroda. Just wondering if
there are any Wikipedians from here. Would be lovely to meet up.

I went to the K J Choksi Public Library today. It's like an oasis in the
middle of the Sahara. I fall short of better metaphors to describe the
place. Awesome book collection in English, Hindi and Gujarati. While
becomign a member I broached the idea of a Wikipedia workshop and the folks
at the library are very excited at the prospect. They told me they lack
resource persons who can conduct such programmes for children and members.

While I've offered to conduct the workshop in English and if there is
interest, in Hindi as well, I need help in Gujarati. Any Wikipedian in
Bharuch who is interested in doing a meetup would be great!

warm regards,
Pradeep

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Help with an WP outreach event in Gujarat

2011-12-04 Thread Arnav Sonara
Hisham,

THANKS A LOT 

Headed towards home right now, ll get back to you all with more details as
soon as I get them. Once again, thanks everyone.


On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:



 On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:



 However, each Wikipedian who does a WikiAcademy has his own style and we
 cannot and should not try to make these uniform, IMHO.


 Absolutely agree.  It is essential that individual / collective styles are
 always the basis of anything.   I was thinking of supporting this by
 collating and sharing ideas - that individual Wikipedians can then chose to
 use / not use / adapt at will.


 hisham

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A new mailing list for Wikipedians working on India related content on English Wikipedia related projects.

2011-12-04 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Yes, we shall no longer spam this list.
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks..
 At least now those discussions (talk) related to articles even will not
 come to india mailing list, which is supposed to be in the talk page of the
 article.

 User:Rameshng




 On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear friends,

 A new list has been born.

 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en

 Now, English Wikipedians editing on India-related subjects can debate,
 discourse and discuss to their heart's content without anyone disturbing
 the Wikimedia-I list. We hope this will give rise to much more discourse on
 subjects relevant to cntent to English Wikipedia. This is also the place
 where discussions on Wikimedia Commons, and other English Wikimedia
 Projects such as WikiQuote, Wiktionary, WikiSource etc can be discussed.

 Besides this, discussions on Offline Wikipedia, GLAM or other English
 language events are also welcome.

 A lot of action will come away from Wikimedia-l into this list besides
 the hot new topics we shall be discussing. So if you are an editor who
 edits on English Wikipedia on matters India, besides others, or if you want
 to feel the pulse on whats happening on the main wikipedia as relates to
 our country be sure to click the link above  subscribe.

 Lets make new and great things happen!

 Warm regards,

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Bala,
I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
15th of Jan ???
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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:



 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
 meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.


 Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good. Generally
 people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont return to a room
 and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup happening).  There was
 a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part, and people met, clicked
 pics, but many never came online(30 pics came from 15 people for a whole
 day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore / Mysore, he had a
 better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone had uploaded every pic
 they clicked.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Abhilash
Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload 
pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?


Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop 
application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize 
or is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?


Abhi

On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

Bala,
I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on 
the 15th of Jan ???

--

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
srik@gmail.com mailto:srik@gmail.com wrote:




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
mailto:wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead
of meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.


Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont
return to a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious
meetup happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on
this part, and people met, clicked pics, but many never came
online(30 pics came from 15 people for a whole day of hunt). HPN
did some photowalks in Bangalore / Mysore, he had a better upload
rate, though am not sure if everyone had uploaded every pic they
clicked.

-- 
Regards

Srikanth.L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Any Wikipedians in Bharuch?

2011-12-04 Thread Arun Ramarathnam
Pradeep,

You may want to connect with D S Vyas. He is familiar with the Gujarati
wkimedians.

regards
Arun



On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 hi,

 In between the conference preparations, I got a job offer and moved to
 Bharuch, a town situated in between Surat and Baroda. Just wondering if
 there are any Wikipedians from here. Would be lovely to meet up.

 I went to the K J Choksi Public Library today. It's like an oasis in the
 middle of the Sahara. I fall short of better metaphors to describe the
 place. Awesome book collection in English, Hindi and Gujarati. While
 becomign a member I broached the idea of a Wikipedia workshop and the folks
 at the library are very excited at the prospect. They told me they lack
 resource persons who can conduct such programmes for children and members.

 While I've offered to conduct the workshop in English and if there is
 interest, in Hindi as well, I need help in Gujarati. Any Wikipedian in
 Bharuch who is interested in doing a meetup would be great!

 warm regards,
 Pradeep

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Béria Lima
https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main (still beta, but
works fine)
_
*Béria Lima*
http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*


On 4 December 2011 19:10, Abhilash abhilashu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload
 pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?

 Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop
 application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize or
 is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?

 Abhi


 On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

 Bala,
  I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
 15th of Jan ???
 --

 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
 srik@gmail.comwrote:



  On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
 meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.


  Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
 Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont return to
 a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup
 happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part, and
 people met, clicked pics, but many never came online(30 pics came from 15
 people for a whole day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore /
 Mysore, he had a better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone had
 uploaded every pic they clicked.

  --
 Regards
 Srikanth.L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Yuvi Panda
Source available here
(https://github.com/michiel1972/shareWithCommons) + I've already
contributed some patches to it during the hackathon. I think plan is
to eventually make the official wikipedia app do uploads, but I think
a standalone app will always be necessary.

P.S. You can file issues with this, I'll see if I can help

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
 https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main (still beta, but
 works fine)
 _
 Béria Lima
 (351) 925 171 484

 Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
 acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
 esse sonho.



 On 4 December 2011 19:10, Abhilash abhilashu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload
 pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?

 Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop
 application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize or
 is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?

 Abhi


 On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

 Bala,
 I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
 15th of Jan ???
 --

 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com
 wrote:



 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
 meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.


 Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
 Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont return to
 a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup
 happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part, and
 people met, clicked pics, but many never came online(30 pics came from 15
 people for a whole day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore /
 Mysore, he had a better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone had
 uploaded every pic they clicked.

 --
 Regards
 Srikanth.L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Abhilash
Hey, Thanks all. Will try using this and upload stuff. Abhi

On 05-Dec-2011 12:54 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
 Source available here
 (https://github.com/michiel1972/shareWithCommons) + I've already
 contributed some patches to it during the hackathon. I think plan is
 to eventually make the official wikipedia app do uploads, but I think
 a standalone app will always be necessary.

 P.S. You can file issues with this, I'll see if I can help

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Béria Limaberial...@gmail.com  wrote:
 https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main (still beta, but
 works fine)
 _
 Béria Lima
 (351) 925 171 484

 Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
 acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
 esse sonho.



 On 4 December 2011 19:10, Abhilashabhilashu...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload
 pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?

 Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop
 application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize or
 is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?

 Abhi


 On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

 Bala,
 I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
 15th of Jan ???
 --

 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanansrik@gmail.com
 wrote:


 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17,wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com  wrote:
 I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
 meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.

 Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
 Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont return to
 a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup
 happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part, and
 people met, clicked pics, but many never came online(30 pics came from 15
 people for a whole day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore /
 Mysore, he had a better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone had
 uploaded every pic they clicked.

 --
 Regards
 Srikanth.L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Dear Sudhanwa,

 My sincerest appologies. In my effort to be transparent, I made a mistake. In 
 the report, attribution by name will not occur.

 Thank you for answering the chapter question.

 OSM = open source movement. Thanks for your clarification.


For FOSS guys like us these are the meanings of following acronyms

FSM = Free Software Movement
OSM= Open Street Maps


Anivar


 Best,

 Tory Read

 Sent from my mobile

 On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India, doing in 
 person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk pages, 
 skype, etc.

 Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
 20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication regarding 
 IEP
 Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless 
 otherwise noted):
 - Barry Newstead, WMF SF
 - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
 - Annie Lin, WMF SF
 - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
 - Hisham Mundol, WMF India
 - Nitika Tandon, WMF India
 - Shiju Alex, WMF India
 - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
 - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
 - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in Pune
 - Rashmi Barua, SSE student
 - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA



 - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and Sudhanwa 
 Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over dinner

 Dear Tory,
 It was really nice to meet you again and have some discussions.

 I am not sure what is the context you are referring in those lines in
 the mail. I am very much part of Pune community. and no way related to
 OSM (open street maps)
 All of us mentioned are India chapter members. Ashwin is the first
 member of the chapter !!! and I also happen to be on the India chapter
 EC. (apart from WMF GAC where I am not so active)

 One of the members wanted anonymity that you maintained during last
 visit and was expected this time also. Somehow, that has not happened.

 Anyways,
 Keep up the good work. Will like to see your report soon.

 Best regards,
 -Sudhanwa



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Anivar,

Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
adjust.
Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

Pradeep

On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Dear Sudhanwa,

 My sincerest appologies. In my effort to be transparent, I made a mistake.
 In the report, attribution by name will not occur.

 Thank you for answering the chapter question.

 OSM = open source movement. Thanks for your clarification.


 For FOSS guys like us these are the meanings of following acronyms

 FSM = Free Software Movement
 OSM= Open Street Maps


 Anivar


 Best,

 Tory Read

 Sent from my mobile

 On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India, doing
 in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk pages,
 skype, etc.

 Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
 20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication
 regarding IEP
 Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless
 otherwise noted):
 - Barry Newstead, WMF SF
 - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
 - Annie Lin, WMF SF
 - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
 - Hisham Mundol, WMF India
 - Nitika Tandon, WMF India
 - Shiju Alex, WMF India
 - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
 - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
 - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in Pune
 - Rashmi Barua, SSE student
 - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA



 - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and
 Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over dinner

 Dear Tory,
 It was really nice to meet you again and have some discussions.

 I am not sure what is the context you are referring in those lines in
 the mail. I am very much part of Pune community. and no way related to
 OSM (open street maps)
 All of us mentioned are India chapter members. Ashwin is the first
 member of the chapter !!! and I also happen to be on the India chapter
 EC. (apart from WMF GAC where I am not so active)

 One of the members wanted anonymity that you maintained during last
 visit and was expected this time also. Somehow, that has not happened.

 Anyways,
 Keep up the good work. Will like to see your report soon.

 Best regards,
 -Sudhanwa



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Anivar,

Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
adjust.
Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

Pradeep

On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Dear Sudhanwa,

 My sincerest appologies. In my effort to be transparent, I made a mistake.
 In the report, attribution by name will not occur.

 Thank you for answering the chapter question.

 OSM = open source movement. Thanks for your clarification.


 For FOSS guys like us these are the meanings of following acronyms

 FSM = Free Software Movement
 OSM= Open Street Maps


 Anivar


 Best,

 Tory Read

 Sent from my mobile

 On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India, doing
 in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk pages,
 skype, etc.

 Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
 20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication
 regarding IEP
 Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless
 otherwise noted):
 - Barry Newstead, WMF SF
 - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
 - Annie Lin, WMF SF
 - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
 - Hisham Mundol, WMF India
 - Nitika Tandon, WMF India
 - Shiju Alex, WMF India
 - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
 - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
 - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in Pune
 - Rashmi Barua, SSE student
 - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA



 - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and
 Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over dinner

 Dear Tory,
 It was really nice to meet you again and have some discussions.

 I am not sure what is the context you are referring in those lines in
 the mail. I am very much part of Pune community. and no way related to
 OSM (open street maps)
 All of us mentioned are India chapter members. Ashwin is the first
 member of the chapter !!! and I also happen to be on the India chapter
 EC. (apart from WMF GAC where I am not so active)

 One of the members wanted anonymity that you maintained during last
 visit and was expected this time also. Somehow, that has not happened.

 Anyways,
 Keep up the good work. Will like to see your report soon.

 Best regards,
 -Sudhanwa



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Ashwin Baindur
There is no such thing as FOSS guys and us, Pradeep. Quite a lot of us are
FOSS guys.There is no we vs them. In the event where acronyms are used
loosely without expansion, clarification is always preferable. BTW OSM
(Open Street Maps) is a term which came up in the WikiConference also.

Warm regards,

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 wrote:

 hi Anivar,

 Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
 on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
 adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
 adjust.
 Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
 intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

 Pradeep

 On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
  Dear Sudhanwa,
 
  My sincerest appologies. In my effort to be transparent, I made a
 mistake.
  In the report, attribution by name will not occur.
 
  Thank you for answering the chapter question.
 
  OSM = open source movement. Thanks for your clarification.
 
 
  For FOSS guys like us these are the meanings of following acronyms
 
  FSM = Free Software Movement
  OSM= Open Street Maps
 
 
  Anivar
 
 
  Best,
 
  Tory Read
 
  Sent from my mobile
 
  On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
  Hi Folks,
 
  My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India,
 doing
  in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk
 pages,
  skype, etc.
 
  Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
  20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication
  regarding IEP
  Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless
  otherwise noted):
  - Barry Newstead, WMF SF
  - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
  - Annie Lin, WMF SF
  - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
  - Hisham Mundol, WMF India
  - Nitika Tandon, WMF India
  - Shiju Alex, WMF India
  - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
  - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
  - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in
 Pune
  - Rashmi Barua, SSE student
  - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA
 
 
 
  - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and
  Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over
 dinner
 
  Dear Tory,
  It was really nice to meet you again and have some discussions.
 
  I am not sure what is the context you are referring in those lines in
  the mail. I am very much part of Pune community. and no way related to
  OSM (open street maps)
  All of us mentioned are India chapter members. Ashwin is the first
  member of the chapter !!! and I also happen to be on the India chapter
  EC. (apart from WMF GAC where I am not so active)
 
  One of the members wanted anonymity that you maintained during last
  visit and was expected this time also. Somehow, that has not happened.
 
  Anyways,
  Keep up the good work. Will like to see your report soon.
 
  Best regards,
  -Sudhanwa
 
 
 
  [snip]
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Ashwin,

I only replied in that manner since Anivar made use of the 'in the
FOSS movement' term which implies seperation. Given that, please
advise me in how my email could be worded otherwise. It becomes
difficult to make sentences where a temporary seperation might be
needed to make an argument.

In the wider perspective, the OSM movement has several parts and they
have their acronyms. When Wikipedians want to address all open source
guys, we use the term OSM.

Also, be assured, I had nothing against the clarification - which was
asked and given. I think the matter should have ended there. I
expressed my opinion on that fact.

warm regards,
Pradeep
Handheld

On 05/12/2011, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is no such thing as FOSS guys and us, Pradeep. Quite a lot of us are
 FOSS guys.There is no we vs them. In the event where acronyms are used
 loosely without expansion, clarification is always preferable. BTW OSM
 (Open Street Maps) is a term which came up in the WikiConference also.

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
 --


 On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 hi Anivar,

 Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
 on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
 adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
 adjust.
 Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
 intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

 Pradeep

 On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
  Dear Sudhanwa,
 
  My sincerest appologies. In my effort to be transparent, I made a
 mistake.
  In the report, attribution by name will not occur.
 
  Thank you for answering the chapter question.
 
  OSM = open source movement. Thanks for your clarification.
 
 
  For FOSS guys like us these are the meanings of following acronyms
 
  FSM = Free Software Movement
  OSM= Open Street Maps
 
 
  Anivar
 
 
  Best,
 
  Tory Read
 
  Sent from my mobile
 
  On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Tory Read t...@toryread.com wrote:
  Hi Folks,
 
  My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India,
 doing
  in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk
 pages,
  skype, etc.
 
  Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
  20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication
  regarding IEP
  Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person,
  unless
  otherwise noted):
  - Barry Newstead, WMF SF
  - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
  - Annie Lin, WMF SF
  - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
  - Hisham Mundol, WMF India
  - Nitika Tandon, WMF India
  - Shiju Alex, WMF India
  - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
  - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
  - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in
 Pune
  - Rashmi Barua, SSE student
  - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA
 
 
 
  - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and
  Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over
 dinner
 
  Dear Tory,
  It was really nice to meet you again and have some discussions.
 
  I am not sure what is the context you are referring in those lines in
  the mail. I am very much part of Pune community. and no way related to
  OSM (open street maps)
  All of us mentioned are India chapter members. Ashwin is the first
  member of the chapter !!! and I also happen to be on the India chapter
  EC. (apart from WMF GAC where I am not so active)
 
  One of the members wanted anonymity that you maintained during last
  visit and was expected this time also. Somehow, that has not happened.
 
  Anyways,
  Keep up the good work. Will like to see your report soon.
 
  Best regards,
  -Sudhanwa
 
 
 
  [snip]
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Hari Prasad Nadig has uploaded a few pcitures using this app. You can ask
him if you need help.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Abhilash abhilashu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, Thanks all. Will try using this and upload stuff. Abhi

 On 05-Dec-2011 12:54 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
  Source available here
  (https://github.com/michiel1972/shareWithCommons) + I've already
  contributed some patches to it during the hackathon. I think plan is
  to eventually make the official wikipedia app do uploads, but I think
  a standalone app will always be necessary.
 
  P.S. You can file issues with this, I'll see if I can help
 
  On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Béria Limaberial...@gmail.com  wrote:
  https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main (still beta,
 but
  works fine)
  _
  Béria Lima
  (351) 925 171 484
 
  Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
 livre
  acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
  esse sonho.
 
 
 
  On 4 December 2011 19:10, Abhilashabhilashu...@gmail.com  wrote:
  Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload
  pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?
 
  Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop
  application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I
 customize or
  is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?
 
  Abhi
 
 
  On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
 
  Bala,
  I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
  15th of Jan ???
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  On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan
 srik@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17,wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com  wrote:
  I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
  meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.
 
  Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
  Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont
 return to
  a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup
  happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part,
 and
  people met, clicked pics, but many never came online(30 pics came
 from 15
  people for a whole day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore
 /
  Mysore, he had a better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone
 had
  uploaded every pic they clicked.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Anivar,

 Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
 on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
 adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
 adjust.

Pradep, I pointed it because that acronym created confusion in this list
Sudhavana understood OSM as Open street Maps, in the same way as i understood.
I feel your mail is adding further noise to thread

 Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
 intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

en:wp does not have a page on Open source Movement
It is FSM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement

Anivar

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Since I am creating noise on the list, I apologise and resign from the
list. Hope the signal levels go back up.
If there is no article on OSM, please WP:BEBOLD and create one.
Wikipedian vocabulary is not limited by the content of Wikimedia
projects but rather by day to day usage.

Again, apologies. I am sorry to see this mailing list also getting as
divided as things are in the OSM.

warm regards,
Pradeep
User:Prad2609
Handheld.

On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Anivar,

 Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
 on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
 adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
 adjust.

 Pradep, I pointed it because that acronym created confusion in this list
 Sudhavana understood OSM as Open street Maps, in the same way as i
 understood.
 I feel your mail is adding further noise to thread

 Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
 intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.

 en:wp does not have a page on Open source Movement
 It is FSM.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement

 Anivar

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Update on City/language SIG

2011-12-04 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
-- Forwarded message --
From: Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Update on City/language SIG
To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com


Dear Members,

I am glad to inform you  about further  updates to City/Language SIGs.  The
following  members have volunteered and/or accepted the nomination from
fellow members to lead  the  SIG.  EC  has decided to appoint them as the
Chairpersons for the  respective SIGs  as given below.

User:AshLin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AshLin,  English SIG

Rahimanuddin 
Shaikhttp://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A1%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%95%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%BF:%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%B9%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AE%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A8%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%A6%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%A6%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A8%E0%B1%8D,
Telugu SIG

 A Radhakrishna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna,  Bangalore
SIG

Please  extend your support to them  in all SIG activities.


We are continuing to discuss with other city/language members and  will keep
you updated on the developments.

Cheers
Arjuna Rao Chavala
President, Wikimedia India.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Ashwin Baindur
My dear Pradeep,

Please accept my apolodies. My intention was just to bring to your notice
that many of us who you may consider Wikipedians and not FOSS are also FOSS
guys. This is just a small issue which I did not want to snowball. Please
dont quit from the list. Your hard work speaks for you. My apologies if I
have hurt you unintendedly.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Since I am creating noise on the list, I apologise and resign from the
 list. Hope the signal levels go back up.
 If there is no article on OSM, please WP:BEBOLD and create one.
 Wikipedian vocabulary is not limited by the content of Wikimedia
 projects but rather by day to day usage.

 Again, apologies. I am sorry to see this mailing list also getting as
 divided as things are in the OSM.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep
 User:Prad2609
 Handheld.

 On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
  pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi Anivar,
 
  Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
  on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
  adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
  adjust.
 
  Pradep, I pointed it because that acronym created confusion in this list
  Sudhavana understood OSM as Open street Maps, in the same way as i
  understood.
  I feel your mail is adding further noise to thread
 
  Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
  intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.
 
  en:wp does not have a page on Open source Movement
  It is FSM.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement
 
  Anivar
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

2011-12-04 Thread Vickram Crishna
Relax, Pradeep. The confusion/noise is only from the fact that OSM has been
a longstanding acronym for Open Street Maps, which is an important facet of
Open Knowledge Culture. To be very frank, I was completely unaware of the
term OSM for Open Source Movement, and also read Tory's acronym as Open
Street Maps, and while being very pleased to learn that Sudhanwa was a
contributor to it, was confused in equal measure by (what I assumed was)
his shyness to being identified with Wikimedia.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Pradeep Mohandas 
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Since I am creating noise on the list, I apologise and resign from the
 list. Hope the signal levels go back up.
 If there is no article on OSM, please WP:BEBOLD and create one.
 Wikipedian vocabulary is not limited by the content of Wikimedia
 projects but rather by day to day usage.

 Again, apologies. I am sorry to see this mailing list also getting as
 divided as things are in the OSM.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep
 User:Prad2609
 Handheld.

 On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
  pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi Anivar,
 
  Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all
  on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to
  adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and
  adjust.
 
  Pradep, I pointed it because that acronym created confusion in this list
  Sudhavana understood OSM as Open street Maps, in the same way as i
  understood.
  I feel your mail is adding further noise to thread
 
  Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good
  intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF.
 
  en:wp does not have a page on Open source Movement
  It is FSM.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement
 
  Anivar
 
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