Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Instead of repeatedly pointing to Wiki Loves Africa blindly for every
single question, perhaps it would be wise to also look at something closer:
https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/y2z

The Tamil Wiki Media Contest, that was conducted in 2011-2012.
It ran for a period of three months, and generated over 8000  files.
Please have a look at the prizes as well.



On 17 April 2015 at 14:12, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> Thanks Karthik,
>
> I asked similar question a few days ago on commons, but haven't received
> any reply there yet. Organisers can see it @
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Food/Planning#Enrolment_and_Nominations
>
> I and some of my community members  learned from another community member
> who is volunteering for this event that he was approached by phone from
> someone from wikimedia and was asked to get community nomination. This
> sounds weird to me, why "wikimedia" is concerned? Why is there a push for
> community participation? If you care so much why not answer the questions
> raised by people on commons? Why to contact someone offwiki? Why can
> "Wikimedia" not engage themselves on local community discussion
> page/village pumps?
>
> Hope to get answers to some of these here and for the ones i raised on
> commons, there.
>
> Regards,
> Dhaval
>  On 17 Apr 2015 07:33, "Karthik Nadar"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Yohann,
>>
>> What I understand from everybody's query is that how will be participants
>> be enrolled? If you can explain, I think that answer's a big question for
>> the pilot project.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi srikanth
>>>
>>> Regarding your doubt about having high value prizes for Phase 1, this
>>> was discussed about in IRC.
>>>
>>>
>>>- The main reason why we are having prizes  in phase 1, so that
>>>people are attracted to participate in Phase 1. If we have prizes in 
>>> Phase
>>>2 & not phase 1, we might not get the required participants (ie 50) to
>>>participate. Also ppl will feel that they should participate in Phase 2,
>>>since there are prizes & will not be encouraged to participate in Phase
>>>1.If we have too low prizes (as compared to phase 2), then also we might
>>>not get the required participants.
>>>
>>> So to attract particpants to phase 1, so we kept prizes of phase 1,well
>>> within the range of phase 2
>>> I suggest you to go through the link again!!
>>>
>>> Where is it written that Phase 1 is a invite only phase??
>>> Just for your information, i will quote the text from WLF page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *This will be a pilot to understand the dynamics of Commons community
>>> before the contest is launched for the wider Wikimedia India community.
>>> Around 50 participants will be enrolled for this in a first come first
>>> register basis. We will also invite 2 nominations per language community
>>> 
>>> besides these 50 participants.*
>>> I don't see it written anywhere that is it a Invite only??
>>>
>>> Yohann Thomas
>>> yohan...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 My only question is Why are such high value prizes being awarded for
 phase one which is both a trial period as well as invite only.
 Ideally the prizes should go for the next phase.
 On 15-Apr-2015 10:11 pm, "Yohann Thomas"  wrote:

> Hi Sankarshan
>
> I would stick to the original statement of the text. It is not an
> improper usage.
>
> Thanks :) !!
>
> Yohann Thomas
> yohan...@gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM, sankarshan <
> foss.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> > So you can interpret it "as an incentive to increase contribution
>> and
>> > participation or , as an enticement."
>>
>> I am unable to comprehend why it should be based on my interpretation.
>> I visited the link provided in your original email, and quoted a line
>> which uses the specific word . The general usage of the word is in
>> context of "offering something to gain advantage". In relation to the
>> broader intent of this outreach program, it felt out of place. My
>> question was largely limited to whether it was an improper usage of a
>> word, or, conscious choice to impart that specific meaning to this
>> program.
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Arun Ramarathnam]

I also concur that the prize money should  be token for a pilot with 50
participants.

Also I have also suggested on the wiki that this is not related to language
but states.

Please do  take into account  wider feedback from this email trail into
account.

Good luck for the pilot.

Regards
Arun
On 15-Apr-2015 09:29, "Ashwin Baindur"  wrote:

> Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
> money can be spent on better things imho.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas 
> wrote:
> >> You can find all the details related to the event here
> >
> > The link at 
> > states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
> > participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
> > handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
> > or, as an enticement?
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Sanket Oswal]

Hi Dhaval,

We apologize for not responding on your query on commons. If you see the
history on the discussion page, each and every question has been answered
by some or the other volunteer for WLF. I don't know how we missed it.

Regarding your question about why Wikimedia India is concerned, I suggest
you to check the word 'India' in Wikimedia India. As a chapter of India,
WMIN has a focus to involve each and every language community.

I don't see any harm if the organizers of the event calls one of the
volunteers. Also, you should understand that this is a community led event
& we would want the volunteers to initiate discussions in their respective
language groups.

Thanks,
Sanket Oswal

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Arun Ramarathnam 
wrote:

> I also concur that the prize money should  be token for a pilot with 50
> participants.
>
> Also I have also suggested on the wiki that this is not related to
> language but states.
>
> Please do  take into account  wider feedback from this email trail into
> account.
>
> Good luck for the pilot.
>
> Regards
> Arun
> On 15-Apr-2015 09:29, "Ashwin Baindur"  wrote:
>
>> Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
>> money can be spent on better things imho.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> >> You can find all the details related to the event here
>> >
>> > The link at > >
>> > states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
>> > participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
>> > handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
>> > or, as an enticement?
>> >
>> >
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>> > 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

[Arnav Sonara]

Hello everyone,

> As Wikipedians, I'm not sure how many support Net Neutrality, but as
Netizens I'm sure most of them are supporting Net Neutrality.

I'd certainly like to use {citation needed} here, but let's give it a pass
for now ;)

> I do recollect how Wikipedia helped protest against SOPA and PIPA. I
think this kind of protest will help the maximum community of Netizens as
whole. Also, as Indian Wikipedians, we would grab some eyballs which would
have impact on contributions to Wikimedia projects as well.

Firstly, SOPA/PIPA is not equal to net neutrality debate going on in India.
Secondly, sopa/pipa was for the US where WMF is registered and run the
servers from.

And "grab some eyeballs" is certainly not a justification to run site wide
banners misguiding people.
What sort of impact on contributions are you even suggesting of getting out
from this? Do you even have any statistics on the rise of number of
contributions on Wikimedia projects after sopa blackout?

>
> I think Wikipedia, especially the English community should initiate a
discussion on how the community and contribute to create an impact in
India.

Sure, allow the internet to penetrate the Indian market.

>
>
> Please note: Wikipedia Zero and Airtel Zero (just as an example) is all
together a different concept; where the first focuses on on giving
educational right to individuals and later to promote business of their
partners by various means (speeding their partners site, slowing down
competitors site and so on).

I certainly need citation here, which telecom company has slowed down the
competitors site? If they want to speed their partners site, they certainly
could, because its their private property. Also these providers fear the
impact of loosing a customer segment if they start fast laning select sites
and services only.

> "Just imagine a day a paid encyclopedia loads faster in all ISPs then
Wikipedia." Do we want to see such a day?

Seriously? Wikipedia is where it is today because of the successful
disruptive model, everyone (I assume) knows this! Can you even name one
encyclopedia and one isp who would even think to implement what you wrote
above? If any telecom company even did so, they sure would be running out
of business.

Regards,
Arnav.
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