Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[CherianTinu Abraham]

An user, with an account creator flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Account_creator  should be able to
override the account creations per day limit.

But as of now., the permission is only granted to users who are active in
the request-an-account process and experienced with the process.

My personal suggestion is that if the policy is enhanced to grant the flag
for long time and "trusted users" especially for those who conduct similar
WikiAcademies,
through a election process  (similar to Admin election")  OR
a even simple request for rights (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Account_creator
Make this similar to the process of rollback rights access-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Rollback_feature#Requesting_rollback
).

Or like Philippe was saying, admins should be allowed to grant the flag to
trusted users doing outreach for a day or so, whenever needed.


Regards
Tinu Cherian




On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alternatively, you could inform an Account Creator that you are going
> to have a program between this and that time, and all go request
> accounts. Simple.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

On 12/21/11, Subhashish Panigrahi  wrote:
> +1 Sudhanwa.
>
> A bot enabled system would be an ideal approach. Some of the members
> actively involved in Community outreach activities could be given
> authorization to request for an authorization on the day of/before the
> academy.
>
> Subha
>
> On 21 December 2011 15:50, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <
>> sudhanwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Probably some bot mechanism will work better.
>>> People may not know the IP address from the venue before they start
>>> working.
>>>
>>> Just setup a page where such IPs can be put up and a bot checks them
>>> every 1-2 hours or so and enables IPs for 3-4 days. Authorisations for
>>> specific users who are co-ordinating the event can be given well in
>>> advance to add such IP entries.
>>>
>>> That will help reduce communication and delay due to time zone related
>>> things.
>>>
>>
>> This will be the best approach. Pradeep and Pranav (Kundan and I were
>> present, among others) had faced exactly this problem at the first attempt
>> to run the WikiAcademy in Mumbai. For a newbie academy, it is at least an
>> hour or so before one gets around to talking about setting up new
>> accounts.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> -Sudhanwa
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
>>>  wrote:
>>> > hi Phillipe,
>>> >
>>> > How much lead time would you need to enable this? Given that India and
>>> > US are in opposite sides of the world - you guys maybe sleeping while
>>> > we request an unblock.
>>> > What venues can we request an unblock - en email to you? On wiki-tech
>>> IRC?
>>> >
>>> > Pradeep
>>> > Handheld
>>> >
>>> > On 21/12/2011, Nitika  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account
>>> >>> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing
>>> something. :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey Phillipe,
>>> >>
>>> >> I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from
>>> >> this
>>> >> rule. But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach
>>> >> session
>>> >> where we encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very
>>> >> disappointed because they could not create their usernames. There is
>>> another
>>> >> mail from Subhashish which echoes similar experience.
>>> >>
>>> >> By way of working on this document and putting together small tips
>>> >> like
>>> >> these will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd
>>> encourage
>>> >> everyone to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can
>>> benefit
>>> >> out of it and make our outreach sessions more effective.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> Nitika
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Pradeep Mohandas
>>> > How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
>>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Alternatively, you could inform an Account Creator that you are going
to have a program between this and that time, and all go request
accounts. Simple.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

+1 Sudhanwa.

A bot enabled system would be an ideal approach. Some of the members
actively involved in Community outreach activities could be given
authorization to request for an authorization on the day of/before the
academy.

Subha

On 21 December 2011 15:50, Vickram Crishna  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <
> sudhanwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably some bot mechanism will work better.
>> People may not know the IP address from the venue before they start
>> working.
>>
>> Just setup a page where such IPs can be put up and a bot checks them
>> every 1-2 hours or so and enables IPs for 3-4 days. Authorisations for
>> specific users who are co-ordinating the event can be given well in
>> advance to add such IP entries.
>>
>> That will help reduce communication and delay due to time zone related
>> things.
>>
>
> This will be the best approach. Pradeep and Pranav (Kundan and I were
> present, among others) had faced exactly this problem at the first attempt
> to run the WikiAcademy in Mumbai. For a newbie academy, it is at least an
> hour or so before one gets around to talking about setting up new accounts.
>
>
>
>> Regards
>> -Sudhanwa
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
>>  wrote:
>> > hi Phillipe,
>> >
>> > How much lead time would you need to enable this? Given that India and
>> > US are in opposite sides of the world - you guys maybe sleeping while
>> > we request an unblock.
>> > What venues can we request an unblock - en email to you? On wiki-tech
>> IRC?
>> >
>> > Pradeep
>> > Handheld
>> >
>> > On 21/12/2011, Nitika  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account
>> >>> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing
>> something. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Hey Phillipe,
>> >>
>> >> I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from this
>> >> rule. But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach session
>> >> where we encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very
>> >> disappointed because they could not create their usernames. There is
>> another
>> >> mail from Subhashish which echoes similar experience.
>> >>
>> >> By way of working on this document and putting together small tips like
>> >> these will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd
>> encourage
>> >> everyone to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can
>> benefit
>> >> out of it and make our outreach sessions more effective.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Nitika
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Pradeep Mohandas
>> > How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Vickram Crishna]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  wrote:

> Probably some bot mechanism will work better.
> People may not know the IP address from the venue before they start
> working.
>
> Just setup a page where such IPs can be put up and a bot checks them
> every 1-2 hours or so and enables IPs for 3-4 days. Authorisations for
> specific users who are co-ordinating the event can be given well in
> advance to add such IP entries.
>
> That will help reduce communication and delay due to time zone related
> things.
>

This will be the best approach. Pradeep and Pranav (Kundan and I were
present, among others) had faced exactly this problem at the first attempt
to run the WikiAcademy in Mumbai. For a newbie academy, it is at least an
hour or so before one gets around to talking about setting up new accounts.



> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
>  wrote:
> > hi Phillipe,
> >
> > How much lead time would you need to enable this? Given that India and
> > US are in opposite sides of the world - you guys maybe sleeping while
> > we request an unblock.
> > What venues can we request an unblock - en email to you? On wiki-tech
> IRC?
> >
> > Pradeep
> > Handheld
> >
> > On 21/12/2011, Nitika  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account
> >>> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing something.
> :)
> >>>
> >>> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hey Phillipe,
> >>
> >> I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from this
> >> rule. But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach session
> >> where we encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very
> >> disappointed because they could not create their usernames. There is
> another
> >> mail from Subhashish which echoes similar experience.
> >>
> >> By way of working on this document and putting together small tips like
> >> these will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd
> encourage
> >> everyone to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can
> benefit
> >> out of it and make our outreach sessions more effective.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Nitika
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pradeep Mohandas
> > How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Probably some bot mechanism will work better.
People may not know the IP address from the venue before they start working.

Just setup a page where such IPs can be put up and a bot checks them
every 1-2 hours or so and enables IPs for 3-4 days. Authorisations for
specific users who are co-ordinating the event can be given well in
advance to add such IP entries.

That will help reduce communication and delay due to time zone related things.

Regards
-Sudhanwa


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
 wrote:
> hi Phillipe,
>
> How much lead time would you need to enable this? Given that India and
> US are in opposite sides of the world - you guys maybe sleeping while
> we request an unblock.
> What venues can we request an unblock - en email to you? On wiki-tech IRC?
>
> Pradeep
> Handheld
>
> On 21/12/2011, Nitika  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account
>>> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing something. :)
>>>
>>> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
>>>
>>
>> Hey Phillipe,
>>
>> I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from this
>> rule. But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach session
>> where we encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very
>> disappointed because they could not create their usernames. There is another
>> mail from Subhashish which echoes similar experience.
>>
>> By way of working on this document and putting together small tips like
>> these will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd encourage
>> everyone to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can benefit
>> out of it and make our outreach sessions more effective.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nitika
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi Phillipe,

How much lead time would you need to enable this? Given that India and
US are in opposite sides of the world - you guys maybe sleeping while
we request an unblock.
What venues can we request an unblock - en email to you? On wiki-tech IRC?

Pradeep
Handheld

On 21/12/2011, Nitika  wrote:
>
>>
>> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account
>> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing something. :)
>>
>> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
>>
>
> Hey Phillipe,
>
> I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from this
> rule. But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach session
> where we encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very
> disappointed because they could not create their usernames. There is another
> mail from Subhashish which echoes similar experience.
>
> By way of working on this document and putting together small tips like
> these will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd encourage
> everyone to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can benefit
> out of it and make our outreach sessions more effective.
>
> Thanks
> Nitika


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

> 
> but I wanted to be sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account 
> creations per day, if you let me know what day you're doing something. :)
> 
> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
> 

Hey Phillipe, 

I am now aware that there is a possibility of releasing an IP from this rule. 
But I learnt this the hard way! I sat through an outreach session where we 
encountered blocking of IP and the participants were very disappointed because 
they could not create their usernames. There is another mail from Subhashish 
which echoes similar experience. 

By way of working on this document and putting together small tips like these 
will make sure that others don't go through this pain. I'd encourage everyone 
to put their thoughts/learnings here so that all of us can benefit out of it 
and make our outreach sessions more effective.

Thanks
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

This sounds very promising to me, the fiasco which I faced during a recent
academy will be ever in my mind :)

Thanks Philippe
Subha

On 21 December 2011 03:53, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

> Nitika,
>
> You folks are doing a great job with this on your own, but I wanted to be
> sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account creations per day, if
> you let me know what day you're doing something. :)
>
> That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...
>
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> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Nitika  wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but 
>> could
>>not give hands-on training*
>>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything
>>productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the
>>participants will actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really
>>want to figure out how to make the best use of it.*
>>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address 
>> -
>>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>>in the session.*
>>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
>> messages.
>>*
>>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and 
>> plagiarism/copyvio.
>>*
>>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs
>>so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not
>>read the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>>*
>>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>>
>>
>> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
>> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
>> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
>> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
>> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
>> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>>
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
>> should inter-linked.)
>>
>> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
>> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
>> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
>> happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be
>> improved.  I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in doing
>> outreach but are often not sure how to do it. I think that we need to
>> figure out what are all the various things we can do to make sure that
>> every minute spent by volunteers on outreach is as productive as
>> possible.   *
>>
>> I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My
>> current (very initial) thinking is as follows:
>>
>>1. Speak to as many more community members as possible who have
>>conducted outreach sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session
>>and learn from them their experiences on outreach.  Document and share 
>> tips
>>and best practices to the entire community.
>>2. Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts,
>>FAQs pages, etc.  (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated
>>to Indic languages).  These presentations must be in distinct module so
>>that there 

[Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Sumana Harihareswara]

On 12/20/2011 10:35 AM, wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:45:31 +0530
> From: Nitika 
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach
> To: Wikimedia India Community list
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> Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs pages, 
> etc.  (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to Indic 
> languages).  These presentations must be in distinct module so that there 
> could be a standard basic introduction section, editing basics and then 
> separate sections for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing, WP:MOS, 
> etc.  These could be accessed at will by any community member and used / 
> edited / adapted at will by them.  I realise there might be some duplication 
> because a lot of this exists in various places - but it will be useful to 
> have them all together in one place.

I think it would be great for all of this to live on the existing
outreach wiki, https://outreach.wikimedia.org  (example:
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf ).  That might be a useful
place to get cross-pollination from other people who are already working
on Wikimedia outreach.

-- 
Sumana Harihareswara
Volunteer Development Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Philippe Beaudette]

Nitika,

You folks are doing a great job with this on your own, but I wanted to be
sure you know that I can lift the cap of 7 account creations per day, if
you let me know what day you're doing something. :)

That's an open offer to anyone doing outreach...

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Nitika  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could
>not give hands-on training*
>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive
>came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will
>actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really want to figure out
>how to make the best use of it.*
>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address -
>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>in the session.*
>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
> messages.
>*
>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio.
>*
>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so
>that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read
>the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>*
>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>
>
> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
> should inter-linked.)
>
> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
> happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be
> improved.  I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in doing
> outreach but are often not sure how to do it. I think that we need to
> figure out what are all the various things we can do to make sure that
> every minute spent by volunteers on outreach is as productive as
> possible.   *
>
> I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My current
> (very initial) thinking is as follows:
>
>1. Speak to as many more community members as possible who have
>conducted outreach sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session
>and learn from them their experiences on outreach.  Document and share tips
>and best practices to the entire community.
>2. Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs
>pages, etc.  (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to
>Indic languages).  These presentations must be in distinct module so that
>there could be a standard basic introduction section, editing basics and
>then separate sections for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing,
>WP:MOS, etc.  These could be accessed at will by any community member and
>used / edited / adapted at will by them.  I realise there might be some
>duplicatio

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 9:50 PM, ansuman wrote:

> It would be great if we can produce a common standard 
> Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet (name it whatever suits) which includes all the 
> important point, "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia" from the 
> repository. 



That's one of the things I'd love to work on. In order to do successful 
outreach we need to have supportive documents that can be used and/or given 
away during the sessions. These documents need to be well thought and 
structured and should be inclusive of various aspects one needs to know about 
Wikipedia. In my opinion, a deck of documents that should be readily available 
to anyone who wants to do an outreach are:

1. Presentations. These presentation should be in different modules and the 
presenter should be able to choose a presentation from the deck depending upon 
the nature of the audience, topic of discussion during the session etc. 
Basic introduction to Wikipedia
Editing basics
Why contribute to Wikipedia?
Neutral point of view
Notability
Manual of Style
Referencing 
Avoiding copyright violations / plagiarism
Introduction to Wikimedia Commons

2. Leaflet/brochure that can be given away to the participants. These leaflets 
can also be used in other outreach programs: like exhibitions, trade fairs etc.

3. FAQs that can either be handed over to the participants in the session or 
can be mailed to them as a follow up.

We should make sure that each of these documents have just the right amount of 
information - too much of information can be confusing and too little 
information might not be sufficient for a newbie. 

I'm sure we have made some of these documents in the past. We need to update 
them and collate them in a common place. I can track down some of the old 
documents pertaining to these topics and share it with you all. We can then 
collaboratively start working on this deck step-by-step. Please let me know if 
this sounds good or if you'd prefer to work on this in any other way?

Nitika

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

> Do think about it. No matter how
> excellet facilities are provided, how yuai enthusiasm is shown,
> physical outreach programs actually have very little or zero impact on
> getting new people on board. This is an observation that I have made,
> as well as a few others have made.

Thanks for your inputs Srikanth. :)

Outreach is very tough, I agree with.  Globally, we have about 1 lakh editors 
from a reader base of about 500m.  That's works out to roughly 0.02%!  It takes 
a lot of hard work to try and identify editors.  In an outreach session, if we 
get 1 regular editor from a group of 25, that's 4%. The work that I'm proposing 
is to see what we can do to try and improve this because volunteer time is 
limited.  For instance, are there any types of audiences that will make 
volunteer outreach efforts more productive?  Are there ways that we can conduct 
sessions that will improve the chances of getting new editors? Are there things 
we can do after workshops to encourage and support newbies to become regular 
editors.  

Also, there are several examples of outreach efforts resulting in building 
communities.  Odia is a prime example.  They're still small but they've reached 
where they are now through a series of outreach efforts.  They're also 
continuing their outreach efforts.

Outreach does take time and effort and skill and persistence and patience!  
Don't lose faith!

Nitika

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[ansuman]

Thanks Nitika for your brief report. All your points are valid. And all
activities are going on If I am right. I am suggesting something new, don't
know whether possible or not.

It would be great if we can produce a common standard *
Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet* (name it whatever suits)* *which includes
all the important point,* "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia"* from
the repository. And we can spread the leaflet everywhere. Which would be a
common leaflet with *same text * to public or everyone. We can produce it
without Wikipedia or Chapter Logo, would be appropriate according to policy.
It should be cheap, so we can produce as many as we want and distribute
everywhere like a slogan or say Tagline. We can also upload to our
websites, I am sure many have their own websites and blogs. And we can also
distribute those leaflets through News Paper. I don't know If Wikipedia
policy allow us to do that ??  I am sure there are peoples sitting at home
searching constructive works to do. We need to reach to them.

Just a thought It might sounds stupid to you guys. :) or many might have
already tried this before.

And Srikanth I am agree with you. I too observed the same. But We have to
keep trying right. :)

  On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
>> their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1
>>
>> So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.
>>
>> Best
>> Subha
>>
>> On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>>>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but 
>>> could
>>>not give hands-on training*
>>>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything
>>>productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the
>>>participants will actually start editing.  My time is limited and I 
>>> really
>>>want to figure out how to make the best use of it.*
>>>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>>>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>>>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>>>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts
>>>because of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP
>>>address - so the rest of the participants were not able to be more 
>>> actively
>>>involved in the session.*
>>>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>>>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
>>> messages.
>>>*
>>>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>>>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>>>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and 
>>> plagiarism/copyvio.
>>>*
>>>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs
>>>so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not
>>>read the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>>>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my
>>>public speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.
>>>*
>>>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure
>>>many others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of
>>>time.*
>>>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>>>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>>>
>>>
>>> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions,
>>> do these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
>>> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
>>> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
>>> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
>>> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>>>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>>>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>>>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>>>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
>>> should inter-linked.)
>>>
>>> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our
>>> projects to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on
>>> English 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[ansuman]

Thanks Nikita for your brief report. All your points are valid. And all
activities are going on If I am right. I am suggesting something new, don't
know whether possible or not.

It would be great if we can produce a common standard *
Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet* (name it whatever suits)* *which includes
all the important point,* "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia"* from
the repository. And we can spread the leaflet everywhere. Which would be a
common leaflet with *same text * to public or everyone. We can produce it
without Wikipedia or Chapter Logo, would be appropriate according to policy.
It should be cheap, so we can produce as many as we want and distribute
everywhere like a slogan or say Tagline. We can also upload to our
websites, I am sure many have their own websites and blogs. And we can also
distribute those leaflets through News Paper. I don't know If Wikipedia
policy allow us to do that ??  I am sure there are peoples sitting at home
searching constructive works to do. We need to reach to them.

Just a thought It might sounds stupid to you guys. :) or many might have
already tried this before.

And Srikanth I am agree with you. I too observed the same. But We have to
keep trying right. :)

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi  wrote:

> Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
> their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1
>
> So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.
>
> Best
> Subha
>
> On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but 
>> could
>>not give hands-on training*
>>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything
>>productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the
>>participants will actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really
>>want to figure out how to make the best use of it.*
>>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address 
>> -
>>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>>in the session.*
>>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
>> messages.
>>*
>>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and 
>> plagiarism/copyvio.
>>*
>>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs
>>so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not
>>read the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>>*
>>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>>
>>
>> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
>> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
>> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
>> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
>> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
>> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>>
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
>> should inter-linked.)
>>
>> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
>> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
>> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
>> happening and that results from the o

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1

So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.

Best
Subha

On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could
>not give hands-on training*
>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive
>came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will
>actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really want to figure out
>how to make the best use of it.*
>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address -
>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>in the session.*
>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
> messages.
>*
>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio.
>*
>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so
>that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read
>the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>*
>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>
>
> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
> should inter-linked.)
>
> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
> happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be
> improved.  I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in doing
> outreach but are often not sure how to do it. I think that we need to
> figure out what are all the various things we can do to make sure that
> every minute spent by volunteers on outreach is as productive as
> possible.   *
>
> I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My current
> (very initial) thinking is as follows:
>
>1. Speak to as many more community members as possible who have
>conducted outreach sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session
>and learn from them their experiences on outreach.  Document and share tips
>and best practices to the entire community.
>2. Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs
>pages, etc.  (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to
>Indic languages).  These presentations must be in distinct module so that
>there could be a standard basic introduction section, editing basics and
>then separate sections for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing,
>WP:MOS, etc.  These could be accessed at will by any community member and
>used / edited / adapted at will by them.  I realise there might be some
>duplication because a lot of this exists in various places - but it will be
>useful to have 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Nitika, thanks for starting a new thread. I'd like to make a single
point first about this matter. Do think about it. No matter how
excellet facilities are provided, how yuai enthusiasm is shown,
physical outreach programs actually have very little or zero impact on
getting new people on board. This is an observation that I have made,
as well as a few others have made.

-- 
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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[Nitika]

Hi Folks,
There were no laptops for the participants or the internet connection was weak 
- so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could not give hands-on 
training
I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive came out of 
it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will actually start 
editing.  My time is limited and I really want to figure out how to make the 
best use of it.
I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun manner - but I 
just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like Wikipedia in a fun 
manner.
I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because of the 7 per 
day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address - so the rest of 
the participants were not able to be more actively involved in the session.
I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm relatively new 
to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right messages.
I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the basics of 
editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the difference 
between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio.
I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so that I 
could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read the 
handwriting of a couple of them.
I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public speaking 
skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.
I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many others would 
have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each participants so 
they could read and refer to them at leisure.

For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do these 
sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community members and 
participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some thoughts with you 
and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread on this because I am 
trying to combine some fantastic points from a series of recent, related (and 
somewhat related) threads

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html 
(Srikanth R's thread on "What's in it for me")
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html 
(Pradeep's thread on improving infrastructure)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html 
(Arnav S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html 
(Noopur's post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach 
should inter-linked.)

Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects to help 
our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English Wikipedia.  I 
also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is happening and that 
results from the outreach that is happening can be improved.  I suspect that a 
lot more people might be interested in doing outreach but are often not sure 
how to do it. I think that we need to figure out what are all the various 
things we can do to make sure that every minute spent by volunteers on outreach 
is as productive as possible.   

I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My current 
(very initial) thinking is as follows:
Speak to as many more community members as possible who have conducted outreach 
sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session and learn from them 
their experiences on outreach.  Document and share tips and best practices to 
the entire community.
Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs pages, etc. 
 (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to Indic languages).  
These presentations must be in distinct module so that there could be a 
standard basic introduction section, editing basics and then separate sections 
for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing, WP:MOS, etc.  These could be 
accessed at will by any community member and used / edited / adapted at will by 
them.  I realise there might be some duplication because a lot of this exists 
in various places - but it will be useful to have them all together in one 
place.
Identify what kind of audience is most receptive to outreach by volunteers - 
and try and help organise more outreach sessions for these.  To illustrate, are 
there interest groups that might hold particular potential like college 
festival or an ornithology society or a language club.  Also, do a lot of 
hands-on outreach in areas where the current volunteer community is 
particularly small, such as in Delhi.
Work closely with community groups (like we did for Pune's recently concluded 
CDMA expo or I am working with the West Bengal community on the upcoming 
Kolkata Book Fair) to help in the planning and organising and cond