Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 36

[Charles Matthews]

On 15 June 2012 00:57, John Byrne  wrote:

> I agree that accreditation is something we should not worry about for the
> moment at least, until we have had some practice.  But in the future we may
> well find ourselves in situations where other bodies want to give some form
> of credit/CPE points etc for our sessions in partnership with them.

I think we should now concentrate on learning to give cracking
workshops, creating opportunities for workshops, pooling workshop
material on the VLE, and getting to the point where we could seriously
offer courses in areas where they are most needed.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 36

[John Byrne]

On 14/06/2012 13:00, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:

Re: Distance learning project
I agree this has been a good discussion, & I hear excellent reports 
about the event.  But at the same time I notice there were only 10 (?) 
attendees, which I think highlights what is actually our main constraint 
at the moment, and probably for some time ahead - a shortage of active 
members.   All the more reason to prioritize training!  In some cases 
this was due to the clash with the London meetup, where there was at 
least one person who would otherwise have gone & 2 for whom this was a 
factor.  The date was only given a short time ahead also.


I agree that accreditation is something we should not worry about for 
the moment at least, until we have had some practice.  But in the future 
we may well find ourselves in situations where other bodies want to give 
some form of credit/CPE points etc for our sessions in partnership with 
them.


John Byrne/Johnbod

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error

[Thomas Morton]

Yeh I raised this a few weeks ago; and I recall someone else did then.

It's due to misconfigured SSL on the server (setting up a server the handle
multiple SSL certificates can be a pain).

I'm not sure what the status of it being fixed is; but I did offer advice
back then on how to go about it.

Tom

On 14 June 2012 23:22, Tom Morris  wrote:

> If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely.
>
> If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get
> an SSL certificate error.
>
> This seems like a problem.
>
> (Whoops, sent this to Wikimedia-L rather than Wikimediauk-L.)
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[Wikimediauk-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error

[Tom Morris]

If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely.

If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get an 
SSL certificate error.

This seems like a problem.  

(Whoops, sent this to Wikimedia-L rather than Wikimediauk-L.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Academic training workshops

[Daria Cybulska]

Hi Andrew,

We have a brand new fleet of soon to be accredited Wikimedia Trainers that
have attended the training workshop on 9-10 June, and I am sure that they
would love to apply their skills helping you to run the sessions. I am
happy to share the list of these attendees with you.

Best wishes,
Daria



On 14 June 2012 16:39, Andrew Gray  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As many of you know, as part of my work at the British Library I'll be
> organizing a series of training workshops on behalf of AHRC for
> postgraduates and academics, at various institutions around the
> country. These are mostly half-day sessions, giving training to
> specialists who are interested in contributing to Wikipedia or other
> Wikimedia projects, or learning more about engaging and collaborating
> with the Wikimedia community - I'm modelling them on the past sessions
> run by WMUK with, eg, the Institute of Physics.
>
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Physics_Workshop
>
> If they involve more than a small number of people, I'm quite keen to
> have someone else around, since it helps a lot if there's two or three
> people available to answer questions, demonstrate things, etc. If
> you'd be interested in coming along to one of these sessions and
> helping show people the ropes, please let me know and I'll keep you
> informed of future dates & locations - I can cover reasonable travel
> expenses where needed...
>
> Alternatively, if you have contacts who you think might be interested
> in hosting one at their institution, I'd be really interested to hear
> about it - part of the trick with setting these up is finding the
> right person to approach!
>
> Thanks all,
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[Wikimediauk-l] Academic training workshops

[Andrew Gray]

Hi all,

As many of you know, as part of my work at the British Library I'll be
organizing a series of training workshops on behalf of AHRC for
postgraduates and academics, at various institutions around the
country. These are mostly half-day sessions, giving training to
specialists who are interested in contributing to Wikipedia or other
Wikimedia projects, or learning more about engaging and collaborating
with the Wikimedia community - I'm modelling them on the past sessions
run by WMUK with, eg, the Institute of Physics.

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Physics_Workshop

If they involve more than a small number of people, I'm quite keen to
have someone else around, since it helps a lot if there's two or three
people available to answer questions, demonstrate things, etc. If
you'd be interested in coming along to one of these sessions and
helping show people the ropes, please let me know and I'll keep you
informed of future dates & locations - I can cover reasonable travel
expenses where needed...

Alternatively, if you have contacts who you think might be interested
in hosting one at their institution, I'd be really interested to hear
about it - part of the trick with setting these up is finding the
right person to approach!

Thanks all,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

[Jon Davies]

Train the Trainers Budget is actually 20K.

The bulk is for the weekend training sessions then some for setting up the
Virtual Learning Environment, some for organising sessions requested by
external organisations and the change goes for paying travel, accommodation
(hostel OR hotel!) etc.

Our aim is to get three tranches of trainers trained in this financial year
and, if we can, hold training out of London which would be
good.(Suggestions for location that would attract people please).  If we go
a bit over budget Martin and I will grovel to the board but I think this is
s important if we are to grow new editors and enthusiastic
Wikiepedians.

Jon

PS Agree with Charles that this has been a useful discussion.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> 15k for the whole project, I believe?
>
> Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK
> On Jun 13, 2012 5:52 PM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:
>
>> On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing
>>> to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it.
>>>
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>>
>> What is the current budget?
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

[Gordon Joly]

On 14/06/12 08:39, Charles Matthews wrote:

  I'd like to
say that I'm not currently thinking of the VLE project as a vehicle
for accreditation.

Fine.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

[Charles Matthews]

On 14 June 2012 08:31, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> On 14/06/12 08:28, Charles Matthews wrote:
>>
>> I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting
>> factor in building the online community: I think "some things money
>> can't buy" is a really good general explanation of Wikimedia's
>> success.
>
> Indeed. But not in the complex task of distance learning with accreditation.
>
> Spend the money on people in rooms! More bangs for the buck!

I do value your input; and this thread seems me at the very least one
of the most constructive we have ever had on this list. I'd like to
say that I'm not currently thinking of the VLE project as a vehicle
for accreditation. The WMUK plan to accredit trainers is an input to
the VLE idea; I think perhaps regarding accreditation as a significant
output of the project ought to wait just a little while. Presumably
the trouble with accreditation systems is that they are only as good
as their weakest link.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

[Gordon Joly]

On 14/06/12 08:28, Charles Matthews wrote:

I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting
factor in building the online community: I think "some things money
can't buy" is a really good general explanation of Wikimedia's
success.

Indeed. But not in the complex task of distance learning with accreditation.

Spend the money on people in rooms! More bangs for the buck!

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

[Charles Matthews]

On 14 June 2012 07:41, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> On 13/06/12 18:05, Charles Matthews wrote:
>>
>> On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote:

 This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing
 to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the current budget?
>>
>> I'm making business cases for deliverables individually. The overall
>> training budget is 20K?
>>
>> Charles
>>
>
> So the distance learning is a fraction of £20K?
>
> I believe you said that there would be volunteer effort, but in any case, I
> would not expect much from such a small budget for such a difficult and
> technical area (that is distance learning).

That comment being written in an expectation-lowering way, and also
not being within my remit to answer, I'll make some remarks. Firstly I
held off sending Jon Davies any concrete and costed proposals until I
had attended the "Training for Trainers": I thought it was premature.
I then hit the ground running about 74 hours ago; and posted to this
list as soon as I had figured out what I called the "interlocking" in
my first post.

I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting
factor in building the online community: I think "some things money
can't buy" is a really good general explanation of Wikimedia's
success.

And the other point is this: the genesis of this project was my
unsuccessful tender to train WMUK's trainers. In it I basically
suggested WMUK clone the Open University's OpenLearn project. I
consulted two people associated with the OU before doing that. The OU
are world leaders in distance learning. Against precedent, as I have
noted, my direction is to assume we can lift and adapt what they do,
conditional only on making sure that our community values are placed
front and centre.

I could go on, but we don't have necessarily to buy in advice except
the trainer-training. There is a Moodle community who may take it very
well if WMUK endorses Moodle rather than saying someone should
reverse-engineer it and write a MediaWiki extension, even if that
means junking years of development of the features that educators have
actually asked for. The OU possibly do not see WMUK as a rival, but as
on the same side. Who knows.

Charles

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