Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[e-mail freezetag]

That would make an interesting project, Tom. I don't know how big the UK
community is (or how we'd define it), but I do try to encourage meetups
around the country as much as I can.

We ought to have a recruitment drive to convert interested editors into
members and try to engage them in a broader range of activities. Ideas for
action and volunteers to help are always appreciated.

-- 
Doug


On 27 July 2012 17:35, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 16:35, e-mail freezetag 
> wrote:
> > Of course another way of looking at the "tedious numbers" discussion is
> that
> > less than 0.5% of the active users on the English Wikipedia bothered to
> vote
> > in the ArbCom elections. Having something like 1 in 200 of the eligible
> > electorate turning out to vote is an interesting comparison with the WMUK
> > elections where about 1 out of every 6 eligible voters made the effort to
> > cast votes.
> >
> > I actually think that's quite healthy. YMMV.
>
> Yes, but what proportion of the UK community has joined WMUK? Not a
> particularly large proportion.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Alert: GLAMcamp 15-16 September 2012, London

[Fae]

Hi,

I would like to confirm that we are holding a GLAMcamp networking
event on the weekend of 15-16 September 2012 in the British Library
conference centre. Please see
 for details and
registration.

The GLAMwiki conference has been deferred until April or May 2013, a
date should be confirmed within the next 10 days by our contacts in
the British Library. With two months to go before the original date,
we realize that the response was insufficient to guarantee an event
attractive to leading GLAM professionals, or an event to be called a
global conference to truly represent GLAM related open knowledge
programmes and innovation.

The two key outcomes from the September GLAMcamp will be to plan a
world class conference that is attractive to cultural sector
professionals and leading open knowledge specialists, and assemble an
international team to ensure logistics, planning and communications
run effectively. If you want to be part of ensuring this critical
event can meet our high expectations for the future of the Wikimedia
GLAM movement, please register now.

Cheers,
Fae
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Michael Peel]

On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:38, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 16:26, David Gerard  wrote:
>> I vaguely recall someone saying the chapter agreement didn't allow it,
>> but I'm sure WMUK would be most pleased for me to be wrong :-)
> 
> The chapters agreement doesn't. It falls under the trademark
> agreement. I'm not sure what WMUK's trademark agreement says. When I
> was on the board, the "agreement" was just an email exchange between
> Mike Godwin and me - did that ever get formalised?

We don't have a specific trademark agreement with the WMF. Our use of the 
trademark falls under the general WMF policy at:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Thomas Dalton]

On 27 July 2012 16:26, David Gerard  wrote:
> I vaguely recall someone saying the chapter agreement didn't allow it,
> but I'm sure WMUK would be most pleased for me to be wrong :-)

The chapters agreement doesn't. It falls under the trademark
agreement. I'm not sure what WMUK's trademark agreement says. When I
was on the board, the "agreement" was just an email exchange between
Mike Godwin and me - did that ever get formalised?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Thomas Dalton]

On 27 July 2012 16:35, e-mail freezetag  wrote:
> Of course another way of looking at the "tedious numbers" discussion is that
> less than 0.5% of the active users on the English Wikipedia bothered to vote
> in the ArbCom elections. Having something like 1 in 200 of the eligible
> electorate turning out to vote is an interesting comparison with the WMUK
> elections where about 1 out of every 6 eligible voters made the effort to
> cast votes.
>
> I actually think that's quite healthy. YMMV.

Yes, but what proportion of the UK community has joined WMUK? Not a
particularly large proportion.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Andy Mabbett]

On 27 July 2012 17:19, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
> On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
>> On 27 July 2012 17:04, Michael Peel  wrote:
>>
>> [Of Wikimedia-UK merchandise]
>>
>>> The question is more, is it worthwhile doing and/or pushing for? Is there
>>> a market, and sufficient benefit for the projects?
>>
>> The charity of which I'm a trustee, the West Midland Bird Club
>>  partners with a supplier of
>> on-demand merchandise (see link & pic on WMBC home page). We supply
>> the artwork, they make up shirts, caps and so on (knickers, if you
>> must!) as and when an order is received and supply them direct to the
>> customer, paying us a commission. No overheads, no stock to hold
>> (though that's an option, should we wish to), no running out of
>> women's style before men's.
>
> The downside is that such suppliers are typically lower quality and always 
> much more expensive compared to buying stock in bulk...

Perhaps; but in this case the comments received on the quality have
been appreciative.

With no outlay and far less inconvenience, I wouldn't expect the same
amount of profit. Costs are viewable on the supplier's website; I've
not made any comparison,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Stevie Benton]

[offlist]

The last sentence, given your knickers comment, is really begging for
humorous interpretation...

On 27 July 2012 17:14, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 17:04, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
> [Of Wikimedia-UK merchandise]
>
> > The question is more, is it worthwhile doing and/or pushing for? Is there
> > a market, and sufficient benefit for the projects?
>
> The charity of which I'm a trustee, the West Midland Bird Club
>  partners with a supplier of
> on-demand merchandise (see link & pic on WMBC home page). We supply
> the artwork, they make up shirts, caps and so on (knickers, if you
> must!) as and when an order is received and supply them direct to the
> customer, paying us a commission. No overheads, no stock to hold
> (though that's an option, should we wish to), no running out of
> women's style before men's.
>
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Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No.
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Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United
Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Michael Peel]

On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 17:04, Michael Peel  wrote:
> 
> [Of Wikimedia-UK merchandise]
> 
>> The question is more, is it worthwhile doing and/or pushing for? Is there
>> a market, and sufficient benefit for the projects?
> 
> The charity of which I'm a trustee, the West Midland Bird Club
>  partners with a supplier of
> on-demand merchandise (see link & pic on WMBC home page). We supply
> the artwork, they make up shirts, caps and so on (knickers, if you
> must!) as and when an order is received and supply them direct to the
> customer, paying us a commission. No overheads, no stock to hold
> (though that's an option, should we wish to), no running out of
> women's style before men's.

The downside is that such suppliers are typically lower quality and always much 
more expensive compared to buying stock in bulk...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Andy Mabbett]

On 27 July 2012 17:04, Michael Peel  wrote:

[Of Wikimedia-UK merchandise]

> The question is more, is it worthwhile doing and/or pushing for? Is there
> a market, and sufficient benefit for the projects?

The charity of which I'm a trustee, the West Midland Bird Club
 partners with a supplier of
on-demand merchandise (see link & pic on WMBC home page). We supply
the artwork, they make up shirts, caps and so on (knickers, if you
must!) as and when an order is received and supply them direct to the
customer, paying us a commission. No overheads, no stock to hold
(though that's an option, should we wish to), no running out of
women's style before men's.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> It didn't come to me (not worried; just noting)
>
> Tom
>

Me neither (ditto).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Michael Peel]

On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:26, David Gerard wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 16:20, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>> On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:
> 
>>> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
>>> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
>>> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)
> 
>> Are you sure about that? I remember Mike Godwin saying repeating at
>> the Chapters Meeting in Berlin in 2009 that the WMF wasn't trying to
>> stop chapters selling t-shirts (he seemed to think that was the only
>> use of the trademarks we were interested in...). I'm not aware of that
>> policy changing. (Whether they can be sold for profit, or just at
>> cost, I'm not sure - there are tax issues if the chapter makes too
>> much profit out of trading activies, anyway.)
> 
> 
> I vaguely recall someone saying the chapter agreement didn't allow it,
> but I'm sure WMUK would be most pleased for me to be wrong :-)

I think the situation is changing now, particularly with the global Wikimedia 
shop, and also a number of other chapters (FR, IT, etc.) operating shops. The 
question is more, is it worthwhile doing and/or pushing for? Is there a market, 
and sufficient benefit for the projects?

(I had a quick chat with James Alexander about providing chapter-branded 
merchandise through the main Wikimedia shop, which may well be possible in the 
future.)

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[e-mail freezetag]

Of course another way of looking at the "tedious numbers" discussion is
that less than 0.5% of the active users on the English Wikipedia bothered
to vote in the ArbCom elections. Having something like 1 in 200 of the
eligible electorate turning out to vote is an interesting comparison with
the WMUK elections where about 1 out of every 6 eligible voters made the
effort to cast votes.

I actually think that's quite healthy. YMMV.

--
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On 27 July 2012 14:49, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Charles Matthews <
> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27 July 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:>
>> Everybody
>> > on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so
>> does the
>> > entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
>> > ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
>> > Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.
>>
>> 600 is less than the number of "active" administrators, though. But
>> let's not argue about numbers. I have given some context for my remark
>> now, which you could have.
>>
>
>
> I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I meant that each
> individual arbitrator was voted into office with 300 to 600 Wikimedians'
> support votes, vs. three or four dozen for each Wikimedia UK board member.
> ArbCom represents a significantly greater Wikimedia electorate (probably
> even within the UK) than the WMUK board. But no matter. I agree arguments
> about numbers are tedious.
>
>
>
>> > Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
>> > really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.
>>
>> I have certainly not been attacking ArbCom as an institution. I have a
>> long-term problem with the workshop, which I have never liked, but
>> otherwise I think ArbCom in general does pretty well.
>>
>> I sometimes disagree with Arbitration decisions; when I was asked
>> about this particular pending decision by a Board member, I said that
>> ArbCom is fallible, but it tends to know more about the case than we
>> do (i.e. not all the information they have is always public, or fit to
>> be made public).
>>
>> I in fact met three arbs for the first time at Wikimania, with two of
>> whom I had worked. I talked also with Risker, who came onto the
>> committee after me. I am not attacking any of these people, please let
>> me say. There is a half-told story about the Fae case and Wikimania
>> and the ban, clearly, but I am also not going to try to tell that
>> story either.
>>
>> I am not going to say "let's move on", because the topic of the thread
>> is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
>> myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
>> Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
>> extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
>> further contributions, and minimise personalia.
>
>
>
> Fair enough, Charles.
>
> Let me add that, like everyone else, I don't agree with every detail of
> every ArbCom decision either. That's only natural; the arbs don't even
> always agree among themselves. But on the whole I believe the committee as
> a group get it right, and significantly more so than the community average
> as expressed at a free-for-all venue like ANI. If ANI were all Wikipedia
> had, all hope would be lost.
>
> Even where I wish ArbCom had decided differently in a specific case, I can
> still see that the decision they made was made in good faith, and within
> the realm of what's reasonable. One can't ask for more than that.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[David Gerard]

On 27 July 2012 16:20, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:

>> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
>> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
>> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)

> Are you sure about that? I remember Mike Godwin saying repeating at
> the Chapters Meeting in Berlin in 2009 that the WMF wasn't trying to
> stop chapters selling t-shirts (he seemed to think that was the only
> use of the trademarks we were interested in...). I'm not aware of that
> policy changing. (Whether they can be sold for profit, or just at
> cost, I'm not sure - there are tax issues if the chapter makes too
> much profit out of trading activies, anyway.)


I vaguely recall someone saying the chapter agreement didn't allow it,
but I'm sure WMUK would be most pleased for me to be wrong :-)


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Thomas Dalton]

On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:
> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)

Are you sure about that? I remember Mike Godwin saying repeating at
the Chapters Meeting in Berlin in 2009 that the WMF wasn't trying to
stop chapters selling t-shirts (he seemed to think that was the only
use of the trademarks we were interested in...). I'm not aware of that
policy changing. (Whether they can be sold for profit, or just at
cost, I'm not sure - there are tax issues if the chapter makes too
much profit out of trading activies, anyway.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Gordon Joly]

On 27/07/12 15:54, Jon Davies wrote:

Our own ale? I can help with the re-cycling.

I can supply the hops (Fuggles).

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Gordon Joly]

On 27/07/12 15:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Indeed. Perhaps something like "Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia" or
"Wikipedia - supported by Wikimedia UK"?



Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia and The Commons and Wikimania (all over 
the place)?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Jon Davies]

Our own ale? I can help with the re-cycling.

On 27 July 2012 15:48, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 14:02, Stevie Benton 
> wrote:
>
> > I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible.
>
> Indeed. Perhaps something like "Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia" or
> "Wikipedia - supported by Wikimedia UK"?
>
> > The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would
> like
> > one!) are a really good example of this.
>
> And I thought the one conferred on me was a special honour!
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Andy Mabbett]

On 27 July 2012 14:02, Stevie Benton  wrote:

> I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible.

Indeed. Perhaps something like "Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia" or
"Wikipedia - supported by Wikimedia UK"?

> The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like
> one!) are a really good example of this.

And I thought the one conferred on me was a special honour!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Andy Mabbett]

On 27 July 2012 12:15, Daria Cybulska  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and
> notepads to be used at events.

I get a lanyard - effectively single-use - at almost every event,
conference and trade show I go to. Please can we consider less
throw-away, and thus more environmentally-friendly alternatives? I
confess I have no idea what such alternatives might be.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wolvopedia:

[Andy Mabbett]

As part of "Make Shift":

   http://maketheshift.org/

an appeal for ideas to improve community life in Wolverhampton, I've
made a proposal for Wolvopedia, a Monmouthpedia-style project.

People with an interest in that city can express support by voting for it here:


http://maketheshift.uservoice.com/forums/168487-ideas-submission/suggestions/3032206-wolvopedia-make-wolverhampton-a-wikipedia-city

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:>
> Everybody
> > on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does
> the
> > entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
> > ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
> > Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.
>
> 600 is less than the number of "active" administrators, though. But
> let's not argue about numbers. I have given some context for my remark
> now, which you could have.
>


I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I meant that each
individual arbitrator was voted into office with 300 to 600 Wikimedians'
support votes, vs. three or four dozen for each Wikimedia UK board member.
ArbCom represents a significantly greater Wikimedia electorate (probably
even within the UK) than the WMUK board. But no matter. I agree arguments
about numbers are tedious.



> > Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
> > really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.
>
> I have certainly not been attacking ArbCom as an institution. I have a
> long-term problem with the workshop, which I have never liked, but
> otherwise I think ArbCom in general does pretty well.
>
> I sometimes disagree with Arbitration decisions; when I was asked
> about this particular pending decision by a Board member, I said that
> ArbCom is fallible, but it tends to know more about the case than we
> do (i.e. not all the information they have is always public, or fit to
> be made public).
>
> I in fact met three arbs for the first time at Wikimania, with two of
> whom I had worked. I talked also with Risker, who came onto the
> committee after me. I am not attacking any of these people, please let
> me say. There is a half-told story about the Fae case and Wikimania
> and the ban, clearly, but I am also not going to try to tell that
> story either.
>
> I am not going to say "let's move on", because the topic of the thread
> is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
> myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
> Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
> extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
> further contributions, and minimise personalia.



Fair enough, Charles.

Let me add that, like everyone else, I don't agree with every detail of
every ArbCom decision either. That's only natural; the arbs don't even
always agree among themselves. But on the whole I believe the committee as
a group get it right, and significantly more so than the community average
as expressed at a free-for-all venue like ANI. If ANI were all Wikipedia
had, all hope would be lost.

Even where I wish ArbCom had decided differently in a specific case, I can
still see that the decision they made was made in good faith, and within
the realm of what's reasonable. One can't ask for more than that.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Roger Bamkin]

You'll be please to know that Gibrarlarpedia logo is cc by sa

On 27 July 2012 15:44, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 14:35, Richard Symonds 
> wrote:
>
> > Tom and Harry are broadly right though, I think - 'swag for the public'
> > should be largely project-branded, and 'swag for volunteers to use',
>  should
> > be more Wikimedia-UK branded. Does that make sense?
>
>
> It does. Ideally both logos. Though the Wikipedia logo is one colour
> and the WMUK logo is four. The issue does admit of almost unlimited
> bikeshedding.[1]
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[David Gerard]

On 27 July 2012 14:35, Richard Symonds  wrote:

> Tom and Harry are broadly right though, I think - 'swag for the public'
> should be largely project-branded, and 'swag for volunteers to use',  should
> be more Wikimedia-UK branded. Does that make sense?


It does. Ideally both logos. Though the Wikipedia logo is one colour
and the WMUK logo is four. The issue does admit of almost unlimited
bikeshedding.[1]


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks - we're talking to Philippe but there's no movement as yet. I'll get
in touch with Daniel :-)

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On 27 July 2012 14:36, Casey Brown  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
> > We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
> > chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything
> goes
> > fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those
> posts,
> > we can move forward :-)
>
> Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help
> you with that, so if you'd like to speed things up, drop him an
> e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tentative schedule for London WIkinews Workshop

[Brian McNeil]

On 27 July 2012 13:44, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> We've got a camcorder you can borrow for the day? It's HD and has a
tripod...
> 
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 13:55 +0100, Stevie Benton wrote:
> We also have a really handy sound recorder if you fancy doing some
> podcasting, too.

We'll see once I'm back from the US.

Whilst I'm over there I'll be picking up a few components for my media
PC (the really good sound card I want is about 15-20% cheaper over
there). That won't be completed until nearer Christmas, but will have 8
audio inputs and I'll be starting with just a couple of
higher-res/larger sensor webcams.

And as I noted a comment about this now being a closed list, I'll plug
http://wikignomes.com. I bought the domain a couple of years back, and
have done nothing with it. So, I've now set it up as a WordPress
multisite install.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Casey Brown]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
> chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes
> fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those posts,
> we can move forward :-)

Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help
you with that, so if you'd like to speed things up, drop him an
e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Richard Symonds]

I think you visited in the pre-mug era... but I know there's at least one
mug in Hong Kong somewhere!

Harry raises a good point, but there is an issue here that we need to be
promoting ourselves within the movement to some degree. We need to be seen
as a successful chapter, and a chapter which others want to emulate. Over
the past few weeks - thanks in no small part to Monmouth and the other GLAM
events - we've achieved that. The reception of WMUK at Wikimania was very,
very good - even from the arbitrators I went out drinking with.

We also need to make sure that when Wikimedia UK does something fantastic,
people actually attribute it to Wikimedia UK, and not the Wikimedia
Foundation. Merchandise is only a very small part of that, but if UK
volunteers do something fantastic, it should be UK volunteers that get the
credit. Having a low public profile for WMUK means that that is less likely
to happen.

Tom and Harry are broadly right though, I think - 'swag for the public'
should be largely project-branded, and 'swag for volunteers to use',
 should be more Wikimedia-UK branded. Does that make sense?

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On 27 July 2012 14:25, Deryck Chan  wrote:

>
>
> On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>>
>> > Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
>> etc, I
>> > think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
>> merchandise)
>> > over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
>> > Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
>> > successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
>> desirable
>> > and attention-grabbing merchandise.
>>
>>
>> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
>> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
>> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)
>>
>
> Wait - no one told me I was entitled to a mug when I visited!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Jon Davies]

It is absolutely vital to remember, for reasons that are global and legal,
that the Chapter does not have a purview over individual's on-wiki
behaviour.
The board has accepted the Arbcom judgement - it is their business.

I could write up pages of the discussion from last night but we would risk
turning away even more people from these lists and honestly would it really
help?

Finally even though we jealously protect this split between WMUK activities
and individual's on-wiki behaviour, the trustees spent a considerable
amount of time over the last two weeks getting to grip with the details of
the arbcom case.



On 27 July 2012 14:26, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> I am not going to say "let's move on", because the topic of the thread
>> is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
>> myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
>> Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
>> extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
>> further contributions, and minimise personalia.
>
>
> Ok, fair enough - to frame it somewhat differently.
>
> I'm aware that as a party who was subjected to Fae's behaviour on-wiki by
> views are somewhat coloured - but I don't see such a lack of substance in
> the allegations. And certainly the copyright issue is pertinent to the
> chapter activities; enough to make an internal investigation to clear (or
> otherwise) his name important.
>
> With regards to this statement; my concern stems from the fact that the
> statement does not make any notes about the extent to which the board has
> examined the matter. It simply says that they have noted the case and the
> ban, and are happy for  Fae's continued membership/directorship.
>
> They have not:
>
> a) Addressed any of the specific concerns raised by members on this list
> (which seems entirely relevant)
>
> b) Made any attempt to suggest they have examined the case and allegations
> and found them insubstantial enough for action. e.g. "We have spoken with
> the relevant parties and are happy that nothing has occured that makes
> Fae's position untenable"
>
> (I'm not expressing this well; but the point I am making is the statement
> sounds cursory)
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Thomas Morton]

On 27 July 2012 14:14, HJ Mitchell  wrote:

> A reputation for the chapter is only a means to an end, and that end
> should be "to promote and support the widest possible public access to,
> use of and contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational
> nature or of similar utility to the general public, in particular the Open
> Content supported and provided by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc." but in the
> majority of circumstances I really don't think it matters if people have
> never heard of WMUK, because we  can fulfil our charitable objectives
> without the chapter being well known in its own right.
> niser
>

Mostly I agree with Harry here. There should be things like T-Shirts,
Lanyards and so forth saying "Wikimedia UK" for volunteers to wear/use.

Anything to be handed out as "swag" etc. should be branded with the project
names/logos (Wikipedia, Commons, etc.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Thomas Morton]

>
> I am not going to say "let's move on", because the topic of the thread
> is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
> myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
> Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
> extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
> further contributions, and minimise personalia.


Ok, fair enough - to frame it somewhat differently.

I'm aware that as a party who was subjected to Fae's behaviour on-wiki by
views are somewhat coloured - but I don't see such a lack of substance in
the allegations. And certainly the copyright issue is pertinent to the
chapter activities; enough to make an internal investigation to clear (or
otherwise) his name important.

With regards to this statement; my concern stems from the fact that the
statement does not make any notes about the extent to which the board has
examined the matter. It simply says that they have noted the case and the
ban, and are happy for  Fae's continued membership/directorship.

They have not:

a) Addressed any of the specific concerns raised by members on this list
(which seems entirely relevant)

b) Made any attempt to suggest they have examined the case and allegations
and found them insubstantial enough for action. e.g. "We have spoken with
the relevant parties and are happy that nothing has occured that makes
Fae's position untenable"

(I'm not expressing this well; but the point I am making is the statement
sounds cursory)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Deryck Chan]

On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>
> > Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
> etc, I
> > think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
> merchandise)
> > over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
> > Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
> > successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
> desirable
> > and attention-grabbing merchandise.
>
>
> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)
>

Wait - no one told me I was entitled to a mug when I visited!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[HJ Mitchell]

A reputation for the chapter is only a means to an end, and that end should be 
"to promote and support the widest possible public access to, use of and 
contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational nature or of 
similar utility to the general public, in particular the Open Content supported 
and provided by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc." but in the majority of 
circumstances I really don't think it matters if people have never heard of 
WMUK, because we  can fulfil our charitable objectives without the chapter 
being well known in its own right.
 
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 From: Stevie Benton 
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list  
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 14:02
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Hello all,

I hope my comment doesn't count as an influx ;-)

I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible. We do need to promote 
ourselves as a chapter as much as the projects, in some ways. 

The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like 
one!) are a really good example of this.

Thanks,

Stevie


On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:

On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>
>> Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I
>> think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise)
>> over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
>> Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
>> successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable
>> and attention-grabbing merchandise.
>
>
>We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
>swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
>visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Charles Matthews]

On 27 July 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Charles Matthews
>  wrote:
>>
>> The point really is who actually cares about ArbCom decisions
>
>
> I am really surprised to see a former member of ArbCom say this.

Perhaps you would be less surprised if you had been on ArbCom. Part of
the job is to have some perspective on matters about which quite small
numbers of people care passionately. I mean in an operational sense:
most disputes involve the actions of less than 10 people.

> Everybody
> on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does the
> entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
> ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
> Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.

600 is less than the number of "active" administrators, though. But
let's not argue about numbers. I have given some context for my remark
now, which you could have.

> ArbCom had a number of reasons for their decision to ban Fae.

It would be more accurate to say that there were a number of reasons
to propose sanctions. I'm not sure that the _banning_ was for those
reasons, though. A complex case.



> Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
> really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.

I have certainly not been attacking ArbCom as an institution. I have a
long-term problem with the workshop, which I have never liked, but
otherwise I think ArbCom in general does pretty well.

I sometimes disagree with Arbitration decisions; when I was asked
about this particular pending decision by a Board member, I said that
ArbCom is fallible, but it tends to know more about the case than we
do (i.e. not all the information they have is always public, or fit to
be made public).

I in fact met three arbs for the first time at Wikimania, with two of
whom I had worked. I talked also with Risker, who came onto the
committee after me. I am not attacking any of these people, please let
me say. There is a half-told story about the Fae case and Wikimania
and the ban, clearly, but I am also not going to try to tell that
story either.

I am not going to say "let's move on", because the topic of the thread
is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
further contributions, and minimise personalia.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Stevie Benton]

Hello all,

I hope my comment doesn't count as an influx ;-)

I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible. We do need to
promote ourselves as a chapter as much as the projects, in some ways.

The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like
one!) are a really good example of this.

Thanks,

Stevie

On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>
> > Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
> etc, I
> > think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
> merchandise)
> > over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
> > Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
> > successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
> desirable
> > and attention-grabbing merchandise.
>
>
> We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
> swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
> visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tentative schedule for London WIkinews Workshop

[Brian McNeil]

On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 13:44 +0100, Richard Symonds wrote:
> We've got a camcorder you can borrow for the day? It's HD and has a
> tripod...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[David Gerard]

On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell  wrote:

> Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I
> think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise)
> over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
> Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
> successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable
> and attention-grabbing merchandise.


We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[HJ Mitchell]

Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I 
think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise) 
over the projects which the chapter exists to support.

Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most successful 
project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable and 
attention-grabbing merchandise.
 
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 From: Daria Cybulska 
To: off...@wikimedia.org.uk; UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 12:15
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Dear All, 

I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and 
notepads to be used at events. If you would like to send across any ideas 
concerning the design of these, then please do send them here - ideally by 3 
August. 

Polo shirts:
- These would be stitched on, so the smaller design the better. I have seen a 
couple of chapters having the polo shirts with just the Wikimedia... logo in 
the upper left corner, and that looked quite professional. 

As for the lanyard:
- 4 colour print on one side
- Another option would be to only use one colour, which is much cheaper

As for the notebook, a cost effective way would be to have:
- A5 Wirebound Book with 350gsm Card Cover
- Cover  printed 4 colour (allowing for Wikimedia UK logo)
-  50 insert sheets printed 1 colour both sides

The bigger quantity I order,  the cheaper the items get, so it is best if the 
merchandise designed is of general character and not geared towards a specific 
event. 


I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. You can also jot them down here 

Many thanks, 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

It didn't come to me (not worried; just noting)

Tom

On 27 July 2012 13:52, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> Yes, I have seen that email (as a current member).
>
> Gordo
>
>
> On 27/07/12 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
>
>> I think Jon Davies has done so already.
>>
>> On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mike.
>>>
>>> Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the
>>> Wikimedia UK membership database?
>>>
>>> Gordo
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

 --

 As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van
 Haeften,
 user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration
 Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee
 that
 exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular,
 he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at
 least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.

 The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

 The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
 role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always
 been
 enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity
 governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board
 meetings, have been particularly valuable.

 The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before,
 and
 during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
 discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
 Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
 continues to have the full support of the Board.

 --

 Thanks,
 Mike Peel
 Secretary, Wikimedia UK

 Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
 Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable
 organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
 its contents.

 Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a
 Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

Yes, I have seen that email (as a current member).

Gordo

On 27/07/12 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

I think Jon Davies has done so already.

On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly  wrote:

Thanks Mike.

Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the
Wikimedia UK membership database?

Gordo


On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

--

As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften,
user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration
Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that
exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular,
he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at
least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.

The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been
enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity
governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board
meetings, have been particularly valuable.

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
continues to have the full support of the Board.

--

Thanks,
Mike Peel
Secretary, Wikimedia UK

Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
its contents.

Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> The point really is who actually cares about ArbCom decisions
>

I am really surprised to see a former member of ArbCom say this. Everybody
on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does
the entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.

ArbCom had a number of reasons for their decision to ban Fae. These
included that he operated about a dozen different accounts, refused to
disclose all of them to ArbCom, and had in their view attempted to deceive
both the Wikipedia community and ArbCom itself.

Fae used commercial porn sites as biographical sources in Wikipedia. In one
case in June last year, he linked directly to a video clip showing the
biography subject, a black woman author, having sex (these were scenes from
a video she had tried to suppress), and vigorously defended that BLP
sourcing. He has since apologised for this error in judgment, but this must
be seen against the backdrop that it was Fae who, only a few weeks later,
told Parliament and the Charity Commission that the English Wikipedia had
an effective BLP policy, which was being effectively maintained by the
site's administrators, such as himself.

Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Unsubscribe

[Fiona Hunt-Taylor]

Hi there - I'm sorry, but I must very reluctantly unsubscribe, since I am 
simply being overwhelmed with all the emails . .  

Kind regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Inspirator . no]

http://www.copytrader.net



On Thu Jul 26 17:14 , geni sent:


On 26 July 2012 21:48, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> On 26 July 2012 15:39, geni  wrote:
>
>> Fae is banned from wikipedia.
>
> No he isn't.


“Fæ is indefinitely banned from the English Language
Wikipedia. He may request reconsideration of the ban six months after
the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.”

If you are going to quibble over my missing the word "english" when we
all know which wikipedia I'm referring to could you at least have the
decency to use Wesh or your preferred version of Gaelic.

-- 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Craig Franklin]

At the risk of overloading this thread with Australians, I subscribed
a couple of weeks ago to this list (nothing special about the UK
though, I subscribed to most of the English-language regional lists to
keep abreast of what's going on globally GLAM-wise), with no problems.
 So anyone who might be interested could potentially come here,
although I'm sure this statement will be of interest beyond just the
subscribers to this mailing list.

Cheers,
Craig Franklin

On 27/07/2012, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> On 27 July 2012 00:26, John Vandenberg  wrote:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l says its a
>> private list
>
> It says: "This is a private list, which means that the list of members
> is not available to non-members."
>
> That is a very specific meaning of "private". It only refers to the
> list of members and, since anyone can subscribe and then see the list,
> it really isn't very private at all. (I don't know why the list is
> private - it should be made public since there is no purpose served by
> having it be private.)
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile site

[Richard Symonds]

Have just taken it to the general chapters list :-)

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On 27 July 2012 12:14, Richard Symonds  wrote:

> I spotted that the other day... it redirects to uk.m.wikimedia.org...
>
> I'll drop an email to the other chapters and see if anyone else is having
> similar problems, then we can approach the WMF together.
>
>
> On 27 July 2012 08:05, Thomas Morton  wrote:
>
>> Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(
>>
>> Tom Morton
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

Feel free to circulate. The key issues for me are openness and transparency
plus timeliness.

Do I need to put 'margerine' in the title to get people interested?


On 27 July 2012 12:21, Richard Symonds wrote:

> It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or
> privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who
> are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership
> list would exclude them :-)
>
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>
>
> On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
>> On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
>>
>>> I think Jon Davies has done so already.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or
>> just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.
>>
>> KTC
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or
privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who
are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership
list would exclude them :-)

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On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan  wrote:

> On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
>
>> I think Jon Davies has done so already.
>>
>>
> I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or
> just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.
>
> KTC
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[Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[Daria Cybulska]

Dear All,

I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and
notepads to be used at events. If you would like to send across any ideas
concerning the design of these, then please do send them here - ideally by
3 August.

Polo shirts:
- These would be stitched on, so the smaller design the better. I have seen
a couple of chapters having the polo shirts with just the Wikimedia... logo
in the upper left corner, and that looked quite professional.

As for the lanyard:
- 4 colour print on one side
- Another option would be to only use one colour, which is much cheaper

As for the notebook, a cost effective way would be to have:
- A5 Wirebound Book with 350gsm Card Cover
- Cover  printed 4 colour (allowing for Wikimedia UK logo)
-  50 insert sheets printed 1 colour both sides

The bigger quantity I order,  the cheaper the items get, so it is best if
the merchandise designed is of general character and not geared towards a
specific event.

I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. You can also jot them down
here


Many thanks,
Daria

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile site

[Richard Symonds]

I spotted that the other day... it redirects to uk.m.wikimedia.org...

I'll drop an email to the other chapters and see if anyone else is having
similar problems, then we can approach the WMF together.

On 27 July 2012 08:05, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Katie Chan]

On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

I think Jon Davies has done so already.



I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, 
or just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.


KTC

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Deryck Chan]

I think Jon Davies has done so already.

On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike.
>
> Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the
> Wikimedia UK membership database?
>
> Gordo
>
>
> On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:
>>
>> --
>>
>> As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften,
>> user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration
>> Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that
>> exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular,
>> he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at
>> least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.
>>
>> The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.
>>
>> The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
>> role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been
>> enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity
>> governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board
>> meetings, have been particularly valuable.
>>
>> The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
>> during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
>> discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
>> Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
>> continues to have the full support of the Board.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike Peel
>> Secretary, Wikimedia UK
>>
>> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
>> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable
>> organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
>> its contents.
>>
>> Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a
>> Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
>> No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at
>> 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT,
>> United Kingdom.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[HJ Mitchell]

Tom, you know I respect your opinion, but I think you're trying to read more 
into the board's statement than is there and you're misinterpreting it in a way 
that supports your view.

The issues surrounding Fae on enwiki were well known at the time of the AGM, 
and the membership re-elected Fae by a healthy margin. It is disingenuous to 
pretend that the issues were significantly less mature at the AGM than they 
were days later when the arbitration case in question (the second on the issue 
- of which the first was declined) was filed.

It is not within the remit of the board to investigate half-baked allegations 
of on-wiki misconduct, especially when nobody making the allegations appears 
(and do correct me if I've missed something) to have substantiated them with 
conclusive evidence. Nor is it within its remit to determine what sort of 
editing instruction Fae can undertake. He can ask for help if he's running an 
event that requires editing, and if the line between training and proxying for 
a banned user, he can seek clarification from ArbCom or the community.
 

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 From: Thomas Morton 
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list  
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 8:23
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van 
Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
 

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and 
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly 
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a 
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to 
have the full support of the Board.
>
>

Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic 
behaviour prior to the election?

Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what 
ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations 
- which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.

Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able 
to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. 
obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help 
feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, 
rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes
fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those
posts, we can move forward :-)

Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK
On Jul 27, 2012 5:08 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Dalton 
> wrote:
> > On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> >> It isn't public.  The software considers it private.  Emails to the
> >> list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it
> >> isn't going to be published on the web.
> >
> > Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get
> > instant access. It's public
> >
> >> This was previously discussed in thread "List archives" from March 29
> >> to April 11
> >
> > I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...
>
> I'm more interested in why, three and a half months later, the list is
> still private?
>
> And when this will be rectified?
>
> Andrew Turvey quit as list admin on 31 May, according to thread
> 'Listadmin wanted for wikimediauk-l', making the list admins David
> Gerard, James Forrester, Mike Peel and Richard Symonds.
>
> thehelpfulone replaced Andrew Turvey as list admin.
>
> Between 31 May and today, Mike Peel has also stopped being a list admin.
>
> The list admins are currently James Forrester, David Gerard, Richard
> Symonds and thehelpfulonewiki.  At least one of them hold a full time
> position to tackle tasks that benefit the UK chapter, and I think that
> fixing the private status of this list should be considered one of
> them.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

Thanks Mike.

Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the 
Wikimedia UK membership database?


Gordo


On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

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As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user 
name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the 
English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide 
binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from 
editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after 
which he can appeal the ban.

The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as 
a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic 
and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his 
ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been 
particularly valuable.

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and 
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly 
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a 
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to 
have the full support of the Board.

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Thanks,
Mike Peel
Secretary, Wikimedia UK

Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable 
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its 
contents.

Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company 
Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 
Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, 
Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Charles Matthews]

On 27 July 2012 08:23, Thomas Morton  wrote:
>> The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
>> during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
>> discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
>> Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues
>> to have the full support of the Board.
>>
>
> Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic
> behaviour prior to the election?
>
> Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?
>
> What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what
> ultimately led to the Arbcom case?
>
> Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright
> allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.
>
> Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be
> able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia
> (i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).
>
> Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't
> help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans
> here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

OK, you can properly pursue this matter here, or offline with Board
members, or in conjunction with the next Board elections and AGM, and
so on. But I suggest you assume good faith in so doing.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

>
> The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
> during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
> discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
> Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
> continues to have the full support of the Board.
>
>
Just to be clear; is the board here *admitting *knowledge of Fae's
problematic behaviour prior to the election?

Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what
ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright
allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM & WMUK.

Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be
able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia
(i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't
help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans
here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

Tom
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[Wikimediauk-l] Mobile site

[Thomas Morton]

Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(

Tom Morton

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