Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[rexx]

Yes, the tool creates a 720p mp4 as the first step of snatching it from
YouTube - it's 751 Kbps video and 112 Kbps audio.

I manually snatched the 720p mp4 from YouTube at the best rate that it
would give - 1135 Kbps video and 192 Kbps audio, and then I manually
converted that to webm and tried to optimise the compression, so it's
somewhat different from the auto-created version on Commons.

As it turns out, my old eyes can't detect any difference in quality between
any of the bitrates, so I reckon that Fireogg and your script turn out just
as good results as me trying to optimise everything. As I said - nice work!

Cheers
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Rexx



On 15 April 2014 13:50, Fæ  wrote:

> On 15 April 2014 13:39, rexx  wrote:
> > Nice work Fae!
> >
> > Hehe - I was converting it to webm at the same time.
> ...
>
> Rexx, I may be wrong (I did not follow the development of this feature
> in any detail), but your webm version is probably the same as the webm
> version included in the different transcoded files that Commons
> generates. Check the bottom section, "Transcode status", of the image
> page at <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv>.
> It gives several handy different types of file that can be downloaded.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

On 15 April 2014 13:39, rexx  wrote:
> Nice work Fae!
>
> Hehe - I was converting it to webm at the same time.
...

Rexx, I may be wrong (I did not follow the development of this feature
in any detail), but your webm version is probably the same as the webm
version included in the different transcoded files that Commons
generates. Check the bottom section, "Transcode status", of the image
page at 
.
It gives several handy different types of file that can be downloaded.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[rexx]

Nice work Fae!

Hehe - I was converting it to webm at the same time.

If anybody wants the webm version which is 13.8 MB, rather than the ogv
which is 17.9 MB (same 1280x720), just let me know.

I think we still need to add the English subtitles, unless I'm missing
something when I play the file from Commons.

Cheers
-- 
Doug




On 15 April 2014 13:29, Jon Davies  wrote:

> Lovely.
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 13:27, Richard Symonds 
> wrote:
>
>> Hurray! Fantastic news.
>>
>> Richard Symonds
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>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>
>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>>
>>
>> On 15 April 2014 13:20, Fæ  wrote:
>>
>>> The video is now uploaded to Commons at:
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Jon Davies]

Lovely.


On 15 April 2014 13:27, Richard Symonds wrote:

> Hurray! Fantastic news.
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 13:20, Fæ  wrote:
>
>> The video is now uploaded to Commons at:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Richard Symonds]

Hurray! Fantastic news.

Richard Symonds
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On 15 April 2014 13:20, Fæ  wrote:

> The video is now uploaded to Commons at:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Toni Sant]

Thanks, Fae!

That's useful.

Best wishes,

Toni

On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Fæ  wrote:
> The video is now uploaded to Commons at:
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

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The video is now uploaded to Commons at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

The original file may have been this large, but the one on Youtube is
not. I'll take a look at it.

Fae

On 15 April 2014 10:39, Jon Davies  wrote:
> From Lilet in Armenia - can anyone help her?
>
> lilit.tarkhan...@wikimedia.am
> Hi Jon
> I'm very happy that so many people liked our video. The video is free. We
> wanted to upload it to commons
> but as the video size is 533Mb commons didn't allow to upload such a large
> video.
> Thanks
> Best regards
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 09:31, Fæ  wrote:
>>
>> It would be super if the video were released on a free license,
>> presumably WMAM intended this to be their default but Youtube does not
>> make this easy. Someone may want to contact the Armenian chapter and
>> help them to transcode it and upload it to Commons. Users Vacio or
>> Beko may wish to assist.
>>
>> Photographs related to the making of the video have been released at
>>
>> 
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 15 April 2014 09:14, Toni Sant  wrote:
>> > It's a lovely video indeed, Jon. It's great to see High School students
>> > be
>> > part of a Wikipedia Education Programme.  Lilit is doing a great job in
>> > Armenia.  I would have liked to see more than just the students in the
>> > video
>> > though, by which I mean the teacher/tutor so we can hear how they
>> > prepared
>> > for this project and how other teachers could do it -- that sort of
>> > thing
>> > would make it even more useful. Convincing students is much easier than
>> > convincing teachers of the benefits of using Wikipedia in the classroom
>> > in
>> > this way.
>> >
>> > On a more minor point, I think showing a student holding an iPad is also
>> > a
>> > little misleading because it's not as easy for a newbie to edit
>> > Wikipedia on
>> > an iPad from my experience, but perhaps that's just a very personal
>> > perspective. It may also have to do with personal levels of digital
>> > literacy.
>> >
>> > Anyway, thanks for sharing this video.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Toni
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Jon Davies 
>> > wrote:
>> >> Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video
>> >>
>> >> Wikipedia in Ayb High School
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to
>> >> only being from members. Anyone is welcome if they have something
>> >> constructive to say, member or not.
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
>>  With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
>>  and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
>>  frank discussion on
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> > (who
>> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Jon Davies]

>From Lilet in Armenia - can anyone help her?

lilit.tarkhan...@wikimedia.am
Hi Jon
I'm very happy that so many people liked our video. The video is free. We
wanted to upload it to commons
but as the video size is 533Mb commons didn't allow to upload such a large
video.
Thanks
Best regards


On 15 April 2014 09:31, Fæ  wrote:

> It would be super if the video were released on a free license,
> presumably WMAM intended this to be their default but Youtube does not
> make this easy. Someone may want to contact the Armenian chapter and
> help them to transcode it and upload it to Commons. Users Vacio or
> Beko may wish to assist.
>
> Photographs related to the making of the video have been released at
> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Armenia_in_Ayb_High_School
> >
>
> Fae
>
> On 15 April 2014 09:14, Toni Sant  wrote:
> > It's a lovely video indeed, Jon. It's great to see High School students
> be
> > part of a Wikipedia Education Programme.  Lilit is doing a great job in
> > Armenia.  I would have liked to see more than just the students in the
> video
> > though, by which I mean the teacher/tutor so we can hear how they
> prepared
> > for this project and how other teachers could do it -- that sort of thing
> > would make it even more useful. Convincing students is much easier than
> > convincing teachers of the benefits of using Wikipedia in the classroom
> in
> > this way.
> >
> > On a more minor point, I think showing a student holding an iPad is also
> a
> > little misleading because it's not as easy for a newbie to edit
> Wikipedia on
> > an iPad from my experience, but perhaps that's just a very personal
> > perspective. It may also have to do with personal levels of digital
> > literacy.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for sharing this video.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Toni
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> >> Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video
> >>
> >> Wikipedia in Ayb High School
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana  wrote:
> >>
> >> Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to
> >> only being from members. Anyone is welcome if they have something
> >> constructive to say, member or not.
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
>  With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
>  and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
>  frank discussion on
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> >> tweet @jonatreesdavies
> >>
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> >
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> > toni.s...@wikimedia.org.uk +44 (0)7885 980 536
> >
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> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
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> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

It would be super if the video were released on a free license,
presumably WMAM intended this to be their default but Youtube does not
make this easy. Someone may want to contact the Armenian chapter and
help them to transcode it and upload it to Commons. Users Vacio or
Beko may wish to assist.

Photographs related to the making of the video have been released at


Fae

On 15 April 2014 09:14, Toni Sant  wrote:
> It's a lovely video indeed, Jon. It's great to see High School students be
> part of a Wikipedia Education Programme.  Lilit is doing a great job in
> Armenia.  I would have liked to see more than just the students in the video
> though, by which I mean the teacher/tutor so we can hear how they prepared
> for this project and how other teachers could do it -- that sort of thing
> would make it even more useful. Convincing students is much easier than
> convincing teachers of the benefits of using Wikipedia in the classroom in
> this way.
>
> On a more minor point, I think showing a student holding an iPad is also a
> little misleading because it's not as easy for a newbie to edit Wikipedia on
> an iPad from my experience, but perhaps that's just a very personal
> perspective. It may also have to do with personal levels of digital
> literacy.
>
> Anyway, thanks for sharing this video.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Toni
>
>
> On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Jon Davies  wrote:
>> Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video
>>
>> Wikipedia in Ayb High School
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana  wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to
>> only being from members. Anyone is welcome if they have something
>> constructive to say, member or not.
>> Dan
>>
>> On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
 With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
 and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
 frank discussion on
>>
>> --
>> Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
>> tweet @jonatreesdavies
>>
>> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
>
> --
> ---
> Dr Toni Sant - Education Organiser, Wikimedia UK
> toni.s...@wikimedia.org.uk +44 (0)7885 980 536
>
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> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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>
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> Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Toni Sant]

It's a lovely video indeed, Jon. It's great to see High School students be
part of a Wikipedia Education Programme.  Lilit is doing a great job in
Armenia.  I would have liked to see more than just the students in the
video though, by which I mean the teacher/tutor so we can hear how they
prepared for this project and how other teachers could do it -- that sort
of thing would make it even more useful. Convincing students is much easier
than convincing teachers of the benefits of using Wikipedia in the
classroom in this way.

On a more minor point, I think showing a student holding an iPad is also a
little misleading because it's not as easy for a newbie to edit Wikipedia
on an iPad from my experience, but perhaps that's just a very personal
perspective. It may also have to do with personal levels of digital
literacy.

Anyway, thanks for sharing this video.

Cheers,

Toni

On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Jon Davies  wrote:
> Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video
>
> Wikipedia in Ayb High School
>
>
>
>
> On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana  wrote:
>
> Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to
only being from members. Anyone is welcome if they have something
constructive to say, member or not.
> Dan
>
> On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel 
wrote:
>
> On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
>>> With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
>>> and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
>>> frank discussion on
>
> --
> Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> tweet @jonatreesdavies
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Craig Franklin]

As another lurker on this list, I agree with Theresa; the moderators should
be proactive in making sure that the tone of the list stays constructive.
 This doesn't mean silencing dissent and criticism (which I don't think is
the case here), but it does mean that there should be certain minimum
standards of courtesy and good manners adhered to.  I'm sure that no
rudeness was intended, but sometimes through the medium of email it can
come across that way, and it's worth taking an extra few moments to review
what you write and make sure it can't be taken in the wrong way.

Being a mailing list admin must be a thankless job, so thanks to those who
have taken on the job here for being proactive in this situation.

Cheers,
Craig


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Theresa Knott wrote:

> As someone who reads the list but rarely contributes, may I make a
> suggestion? Moderators absolutely should pull people up for using an
> inappropriate tone in their emails.  However this should be done, in the
> first instance, privately.
>
> Theresa
> On 13 Apr 2014 15:58, "Fæ"  wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
>> moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
>> when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
>> treat all contributors here equally.
>>
>> As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
>> this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar  wrote:
>> > No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky
>> and
>> > bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
>> >
>> > On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
>> >> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
>> >> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
>> >> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
>> >> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
>> >> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
>> >> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
>> >> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
>> >> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
>> >> trustees.
>> >>
>> >> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
>> >> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
>> >> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
>> >> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
>> >> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
>> >> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
>> >> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
>> >> heard.
>> >>
>> >> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
>> >> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
>> >> much of its value as a community sounding board.
>> >>
>> >> Fae
>> >>
>> >> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>> >> > Fae,
>> >> >
>> >> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
>> >> > which is
>> >> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would
>> you
>> >> > mind
>> >> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list",
>> for
>> >> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
>> >> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not
>> to
>> >> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid
>> instead
>> >> > of
>> >> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of
>> everyone
>> >> > else
>> >> > subscribed to this list.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Harry Mitchell
>> >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> >> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
>> >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>> >> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
>> >> > No, I don't get it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is
>> unacceptably
>> >> > rude?
>> >> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
>> >> > include the relevant content."
>> >> >
>> >> > Fae
>> >> >
>> >> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> Hello all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> >> >> second
>> >> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email
>> came
>> >> >> across
>> >> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the
>> general
>> >> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> to change if this list is to stay rele

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Gordon Joly]

On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
> With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
> and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
> frank discussion on essential changes the charity needed and still
> needs from leaking out in my emails.


This list has members of the charity and non members. Hence, it cannot
be used to discuss the registered charity (Wikimedia UK), since that
could only be done by "members only" to have any validity.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[James Farrar]

As a moderator?
On 13 Apr 2014 15:58, "Fæ"  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
> moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
> when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
> treat all contributors here equally.
>
> As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
> this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar  wrote:
> > No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky
> and
> > bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
> >
> > On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
> >> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
> >> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
> >> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
> >> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
> >> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
> >> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
> >> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
> >> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
> >> trustees.
> >>
> >> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
> >> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
> >> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
> >> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
> >> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
> >> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
> >> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
> >> heard.
> >>
> >> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
> >> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
> >> much of its value as a community sounding board.
> >>
> >> Fae
> >>
> >> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> >> > Fae,
> >> >
> >> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
> >> > which is
> >> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
> >> > mind
> >> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list",
> for
> >> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
> >> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not
> to
> >> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid
> instead
> >> > of
> >> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
> >> > else
> >> > subscribed to this list.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Harry Mitchell
> >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> >> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
> >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
> >> > No, I don't get it.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is
> unacceptably
> >> > rude?
> >> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> >> > include the relevant content."
> >> >
> >> > Fae
> >> >
> >> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> Hello all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
> >> >> second
> >> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
> >> >> across
> >> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
> >> >>
> >> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> >> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
> >> >> That
> >> >> has
> >> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
> >> >> chapter
> >> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
> >> >> might
> >> >> be
> >> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such
> a
> >> >> rule
> >> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
> >> >>
> >> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
> >> >> into
> >> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
> >> >> there's
> >> >> no
> >> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we
> can
> >> >> at
> >> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
> >> >>
> >> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> >> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ___
> >> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> >> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> >> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> >> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >> > Personal and confidential,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

Thanks David.

With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
frank discussion on essential changes the charity needed and still
needs from leaking out in my emails.

I'll consider how to share more of my experience of my time as a
trustee in line with the ethical values of openness and honesty agreed
to in the Trustee Code of Conduct.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 16:07, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 13 April 2014 15:52, Fæ  wrote:
>
>>  I find this
>> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
>> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
>
>
> Fae, speaking as a list mod - your overwhelming bitterness and your
> default assumption of bad faith when you post to this list (or to
> other Wikimedia lists, for that matter) overshadow any substance your
> posts may have under it all. It's incredibly wearying, and we would
> like you to cool it. Thanks.
>
>
> - d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[David Gerard]

On 13 April 2014 16:04, Theresa Knott  wrote:

> As someone who reads the list but rarely contributes, may I make a
> suggestion? Moderators absolutely should pull people up for using an
> inappropriate tone in their emails.  However this should be done, in the
> first instance, privately.


This is far from the first time.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[HJ Mitchell]

I hope they will step in more in future. We should all aim to maintain a level 
of decorum on this list, even when we're criticising one another, and the 
moderators should say something when the decorum slips.
 
Harry Mitchell

http://enwp.org/User:HJ

Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell
On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 15:58, Fæ  wrote:
 
Hi James,

Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
treat all contributors here equally.

As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar  wrote:
> No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and
> bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
>
> On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:
>>
>> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
>> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
>> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
>> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
>> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
>> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
>> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
>> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
>> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
>> trustees.
>>
>> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
>> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
>> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
>> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
>> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
>> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
>> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
>> heard.
>>
>> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
>> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
>> much of its value as a community sounding board.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>> > Fae,
>> >
>> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
>> > which is
>> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
>> > mind
>> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
>> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
>> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
>> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead
>> > of
>> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
>> > else
>> > subscribed to this list.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Harry Mitchell
>> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
>> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
>> > No, I don't get it.
>> >
>> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
>> > rude?
>> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
>> > include the relevant content."
>> >
>> > Fae
>> >
>> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> >> second
>> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
>> >> across
>> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>> >>
>> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
>> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
>> >> That
>> >> has
>> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
>> >> chapter
>> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
>> >> might
>> >> be
>> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
>> >> rule
>> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
>> >> into
>> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
>> >> there's
>> >> no
>> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
>> >> at
>> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>> >>
>> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
>> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ___
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>> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[David Gerard]

On 13 April 2014 15:52, Fæ  wrote:

>  I find this
> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue


Fae, speaking as a list mod - your overwhelming bitterness and your
default assumption of bad faith when you post to this list (or to
other Wikimedia lists, for that matter) overshadow any substance your
posts may have under it all. It's incredibly wearying, and we would
like you to cool it. Thanks.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Theresa Knott]

As someone who reads the list but rarely contributes, may I make a
suggestion? Moderators absolutely should pull people up for using an
inappropriate tone in their emails.  However this should be done, in the
first instance, privately.

Theresa
On 13 Apr 2014 15:58, "Fæ"  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
> moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
> when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
> treat all contributors here equally.
>
> As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
> this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar  wrote:
> > No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky
> and
> > bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
> >
> > On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
> >> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
> >> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
> >> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
> >> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
> >> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
> >> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
> >> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
> >> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
> >> trustees.
> >>
> >> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
> >> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
> >> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
> >> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
> >> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
> >> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
> >> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
> >> heard.
> >>
> >> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
> >> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
> >> much of its value as a community sounding board.
> >>
> >> Fae
> >>
> >> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> >> > Fae,
> >> >
> >> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
> >> > which is
> >> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
> >> > mind
> >> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list",
> for
> >> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
> >> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not
> to
> >> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid
> instead
> >> > of
> >> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
> >> > else
> >> > subscribed to this list.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Harry Mitchell
> >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> >> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
> >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
> >> > No, I don't get it.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is
> unacceptably
> >> > rude?
> >> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> >> > include the relevant content."
> >> >
> >> > Fae
> >> >
> >> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> Hello all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
> >> >> second
> >> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
> >> >> across
> >> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
> >> >>
> >> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> >> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
> >> >> That
> >> >> has
> >> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
> >> >> chapter
> >> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
> >> >> might
> >> >> be
> >> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such
> a
> >> >> rule
> >> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
> >> >>
> >> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
> >> >> into
> >> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
> >> >> there's
> >> >> no
> >> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we
> can
> >> >> at
> >> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
> >> >>
> >> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> >> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ___
> >> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> >> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> >> >>

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

Hi James,

Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
treat all contributors here equally.

As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar  wrote:
> No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and
> bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
>
> On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:
>>
>> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
>> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
>> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
>> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
>> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
>> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
>> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
>> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
>> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
>> trustees.
>>
>> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
>> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
>> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
>> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
>> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
>> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
>> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
>> heard.
>>
>> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
>> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
>> much of its value as a community sounding board.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>> > Fae,
>> >
>> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
>> > which is
>> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
>> > mind
>> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
>> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
>> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
>> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead
>> > of
>> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
>> > else
>> > subscribed to this list.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Harry Mitchell
>> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
>> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
>> > No, I don't get it.
>> >
>> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
>> > rude?
>> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
>> > include the relevant content."
>> >
>> > Fae
>> >
>> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> >> second
>> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
>> >> across
>> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>> >>
>> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
>> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
>> >> That
>> >> has
>> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
>> >> chapter
>> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
>> >> might
>> >> be
>> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
>> >> rule
>> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
>> >> into
>> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
>> >> there's
>> >> no
>> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
>> >> at
>> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>> >>
>> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
>> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ___
>> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>> > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
>> > Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[James Farrar]

No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and
bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ"  wrote:

> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
> trustees.
>
> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
> heard.
>
> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
> much of its value as a community sounding board.
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> > Fae,
> >
> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
> which is
> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
> mind
> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead
> of
> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
> else
> > subscribed to this list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
> > No, I don't get it.
> >
> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
> > rude?
> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> > include the relevant content."
> >
> > Fae
> >
> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
> >  wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
> >> second
> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
> >> across
> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
> >>
> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
> >> has
> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
> chapter
> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
> might
> >> be
> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
> >> rule
> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
> >>
> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
> into
> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
> >> no
> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
> at
> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
> >>
> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Wikimedia UK mailing list
> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Wikimedia UK mailing list
> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>
>
>
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
trustees.

The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
heard.

This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
much of its value as a community sounding board.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> Fae,
>
> I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is
> that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you mind
> including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
> example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
> unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
> point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of
> Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else
> subscribed to this list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> Phone: 024 7698 0977
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
> No, I don't get it.
>
> Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
> rude?
> "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> include the relevant content."
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> second
>> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
>> across
>> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>>
>> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
>> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
>> has
>> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter
>> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might
>> be
>> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
>> rule
>> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>>
>> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
>> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
>> no
>> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
>> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>>
>> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
>> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>
>
>
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
>
>
> ___
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[HJ Mitchell]

Fae,

I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is 
that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you mind 
including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for 
example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as unnecessarily 
hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to point out Jon's 
omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of Richard's), just to 
tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else subscribed to this list.

Thanks,  
 
Harry Mitchell

http://enwp.org/User:HJ

Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell
On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ  wrote:
 
No, I don't get it.

Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude?
"If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
include the relevant content."

Fae

On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second
> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came across
> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>
> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That has
> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter
> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might be
> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a rule
> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>
> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no
> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>
> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
> ___
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[rupert THURNER]

Two other possibilities:
1. Drop a private mail to jon
2. Send the link yourself, as enock did when this happened to me a week ago

Fae, you seem to have a tendency to reply "yes" to the question "you ve got
a watch", instead of telling the time, hehe.

Imo dealing with imperfection is one of the most important properties of
humans and their communication ... The world does not end with weitzenbaum
s eliza :)

Rupert
Am 13.04.2014 09:45 schrieb "Fæ" :

> No, I don't get it.
>
> Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
> rude?
> "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> include the relevant content."
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
> second
> > there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
> across
> > as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
> >
> > The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> > editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
> has
> > to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
> chapter
> > and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
> might be
> > necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
> rule
> > holds true on an internet mailing list.
> >
> > A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
> > being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
> no
> > problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
> at
> > least keep a friendly face on most emails.
> >
> > Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> > wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Wikimedia UK mailing list
> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
>
>
>
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Jon Davies]

Make a proposal! These are great reminders about what the difference we are
making.


On 13 April 2014 09:58, Harry Burt  wrote:

> What a fabulous video Jon! Can haz one for the UK?
>
> Harry
>
> --
> Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Damokos Bence  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing this, Jon.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bence
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jon Davies 
>> wrote:
>> > Damn! Not enough coffee yet
>> >
>> > Here it is
>> >
>> > Here is the link of the video made with high-school students.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 13 April 2014 07:59, Fæ  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
>> >> include the relevant content.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Fae
>> >>
>> >> On 13 April 2014 07:17, Jon Davies 
>> wrote:
>> >> > Lovely video from Armenia
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
>> >> > Best regards
>> >> > Lilit Tarkhanyan
>> >> > Wikimedia Armenia
>> >> > Board Member
>> >> > Wikipedia Education Program Leader
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505
>> 169
>> >> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
>> >> >
>> >> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
>> and
>> >> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
>> Registered
>> >> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
>> EC2A
>> >> > 4LT.
>> >> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> >> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
>> >> > (who
>> >> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>> >> >
>> >> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
>> >> >
>> >> > Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
>> >> >
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>> >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
>> >
>> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
>> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
>> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
>> 4LT.
>> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
>> (who
>> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>> >
>> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
>> >
>> > Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Harry Burt]

What a fabulous video Jon! Can haz one for the UK?

Harry

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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Damokos Bence
wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this, Jon.
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> > Damn! Not enough coffee yet
> >
> > Here it is
> >
> > Here is the link of the video made with high-school students.
> >
> >
> > On 13 April 2014 07:59, Fæ  wrote:
> >>
> >> If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> >> include the relevant content.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Fae
> >>
> >> On 13 April 2014 07:17, Jon Davies  wrote:
> >> > Lovely video from Armenia
> >> >
> >> > From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Lilit Tarkhanyan
> >> > Wikimedia Armenia
> >> > Board Member
> >> > Wikipedia Education Program Leader
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> >> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
> >> >
> >> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
> and
> >> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> Registered
> >> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> >> > 4LT.
> >> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> >> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> >> > (who
> >> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >> >
> >> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
> >> >
> >> > Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
> >> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
> >
> > Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Damokos Bence]

Thanks for sharing this, Jon.

Best regards,
Bence

On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jon Davies  wrote:
> Damn! Not enough coffee yet
>
> Here it is
>
> Here is the link of the video made with high-school students.
>
>
> On 13 April 2014 07:59, Fæ  wrote:
>>
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>> Thanks,
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>> On 13 April 2014 07:17, Jon Davies  wrote:
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>> >
>> > From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
>> > Best regards
>> > Lilit Tarkhanyan
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Richard Symonds]

I'll reply around lunchtime privately. I won't have time before then.
On 13 Apr 2014 08:46, "Fæ"  wrote:

> No, I don't get it.
>
> Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
> rude?
> "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> include the relevant content."
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
> second
> > there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
> across
> > as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
> >
> > The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> > editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
> has
> > to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
> chapter
> > and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
> might be
> > necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
> rule
> > holds true on an internet mailing list.
> >
> > A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
> > being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
> no
> > problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
> at
> > least keep a friendly face on most emails.
> >
> > Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> > wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

No, I don't get it.

Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude?
"If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
include the relevant content."

Fae

On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second
> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came across
> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>
> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That has
> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter
> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might be
> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a rule
> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>
> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no
> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>
> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Richard Symonds]

Hello all,

I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second
there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
across as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.

The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
has to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
chapter and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
might be necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that
such a rule holds true on an internet mailing list.

A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no
problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
least keep a friendly face on most emails.

Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Jon Davies]

Damn! Not enough coffee yet

Here it is

Here is the link  of the video
made with high-school students.


On 13 April 2014 07:59, Fæ  wrote:

> If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> include the relevant content.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 07:17, Jon Davies  wrote:
> > Lovely video from Armenia
> >
> > From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
> > Best regards
> > Lilit Tarkhanyan
> > Wikimedia Armenia
> > Board Member
> > Wikipedia Education Program Leader
> >
> > --
> > Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
> >
> > Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
> >
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Fæ]

If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
include the relevant content.

Thanks,
Fae

On 13 April 2014 07:17, Jon Davies  wrote:
> Lovely video from Armenia
>
> From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
> Best regards
> Lilit Tarkhanyan
> Wikimedia Armenia
> Board Member
> Wikipedia Education Program Leader
>
> --
> Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK.  Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169
> tweet @jonatreesdavies
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
>
> Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[Jon Davies]

Lovely video from Armenia

From: Lilit Tarkhanyan 
Best regards
Lilit Tarkhanyan
Wikimedia Armenia
Board Member
Wikipedia Education Program Leader




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tweet @jonatreesdavies

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
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Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.

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