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2010/1/5 Gordon Joly : > Style guides? A few weeks back, I contacted The Guardian to correct the > spelling of "PARC" quoting a well known online encyclopedia as a > reliable source. I also pointed out that "parc" appeared to be a > registered trademark. > > They were adamant. Their style guide said that it should be "Parc". The BBC's style guide says the same. Acronyms (that is, abbreviations that are pronounced as a word, rather than as individual letters) get only one capital letter, eg. "Nasa" not "NASA". I guess it makes it easier to know how to pronounce an unfamiliar name. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > If > he hadn't just announced that he's going incommunicado until April to > work on his autobiography, I would have suggested contacting him via > Twitter. He won't do any recordings until he's finished the book, > though. Damn, must read to the end of threads before posting. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Brian McNeil wrote: > I contacted Stephen Fry's agent but got no response. It may have been > bad timing given the holidays, perhaps someone else could try and see if > that can be arranged after the fact. Stephen Fry posted on his blog yesterday that he has a book due for completion in April and as such as disappearing from Twitter and keeping his appointments clear. So I fear he'll not be up for this until at least the middle of the year. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Charles Matthews wrote: > Brian McNeil wrote: > >> I don't think WMUK needs a style guide as long as Wikinews' but, it >> might be an idea to note points as we go along that should be >> consistent. >> >> >> >> > Oooh, let's do the endash-hyphen thing right here ... not. The press do > have their own style guides, so the message is more important than the > medium. > > I have moved material around to get the punch into the first para. "Mary > Rose" is good: on everyone's radar, apparently. > > Charles > > Style guides? A few weeks back, I contacted The Guardian to correct the spelling of "PARC" quoting a well known online encyclopedia as a reliable source. I also pointed out that "parc" appeared to be a registered trademark. They were adamant. Their style guide said that it should be "Parc". "One of those who has spent his time studying what happens on Wikipedia is Ed H Chi, a scientist who works at the Palo Alto Research Center (Parc) in California." http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/12/wikipedia-deletionist-inclusionist But elsewhere (Technology Guardian) the spelling is correct:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2004/feb/25/formerxeroxpa Go figure. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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ing the projects of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. > > About the Wikimedia Foundation: > The Wikimedia Foundation Inc. is the US-based non-profit > organisation that operates some of the largest collaboratively- > edited reference projects in the world. These include Wikipedia, > one of the world's ten most-visited websites, and Wikimedia Commons. > > > -- > From: "Michael Peel" > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:24 PM > To: ; l...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: "Steve Virgin" > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ... > >> >> On 2 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Charles Matthews wrote: >> >>> In the end, a story appeared today: >>> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6916596/WB-Yeats- >>> and-Sigmund-Freud-works-posted-on-Wikipedia-as-copyright- >>> expires.html >>> >>> >>> Well done indeed to Mike and Andrew in particular for pushing on >>> past >>> all the obstacles. >> >> Well done Charles and Brian for writing the article, and also >> pushing past your share of obstacles. :-) >> >> I think I've found another addiction thanks to this - I spent most >> of today and yesterday making a book of Yeats available on >> Wikisource... If you haven't already tried proofreading a book on >> Wikisource, then I would thoroughly recommend it. >> >> The next press release, due to go out tomorrow evening, will be >> about a donation of images from the Mary Rose Trust: >> >> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Mary_Rose_Trust_donation >> >> Please help! If this goes down well in the media, then it will be >> a great precedent for getting more organizations to make their >> content available by Wikimedia websites. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 3 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Brian McNeil wrote: >> I have moved material around to get the punch into the first para. >> "Mary >> Rose" is good: on everyone's radar, apparently. > > Are press releases going onto any of the semi-junk freebie pseudo- > wires? > There's several of these turn up in Google News results. > > How are the current recipients of issued press releases managed? Is > there a distribution list? How would, say, a blogger go about > subscribing to WMUK news? At the moment, we just email the press releases to those that we've been in contact with (i.e. they've previously gotten in touch with us to talk to us about a Wikipedia story). We don't have a wider distribution list yet, aside from the blog. Is it worth moving to having a press-releases mailing list that people can subscribe to, in addition to sending them out to appropriate specific journalists? If anyone has any suggestions of contacts/organizations to send press releases to, please let me know offlist. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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2010/1/3 Brian McNeil : > How are the current recipients of issued press releases managed? Is > there a distribution list? How would, say, a blogger go about > subscribing to WMUK news? I would expect all press releases would go on the WMUK blog. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Brian McNeil wrote: > > The rules I saw as important to apply in the press release were: > > * British English spelling (including preferring 'organisation' over > 'organization') > * Consisted, UK-style date formatting with the month spelt out to be > unambiguous. > * Spell out all numbers of twenty or less > > The rest is just preference for active voice where possible and good > grammar. > > Why not post these to the wiki, as [[Recommendations for press release style]] or something? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 09:51 +, Charles Matthews wrote: > Brian McNeil wrote: > > I don't think WMUK needs a style guide as long as Wikinews' but, it > > might be an idea to note points as we go along that should be > > consistent. > > > > > > > Oooh, let's do the endash-hyphen thing right here ... not. The press do > have their own style guides, so the message is more important than the > medium. I was not suggest importing ultra-anal-retentive nitpicking from English Wikipedia. Particularly something as stupid as the ndash one which is a visual issue and for a press release they would look the same 'on the wire'. The rules I saw as important to apply in the press release were: * British English spelling (including preferring 'organisation' over 'organization') * Consisted, UK-style date formatting with the month spelt out to be unambiguous. * Spell out all numbers of twenty or less The rest is just preference for active voice where possible and good grammar. > > I have moved material around to get the punch into the first para. "Mary > Rose" is good: on everyone's radar, apparently. Are press releases going onto any of the semi-junk freebie pseudo-wires? There's several of these turn up in Google News results. How are the current recipients of issued press releases managed? Is there a distribution list? How would, say, a blogger go about subscribing to WMUK news? -- Brian McNeil Wikinewsie.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Brian McNeil wrote: > I don't think WMUK needs a style guide as long as Wikinews' but, it > might be an idea to note points as we go along that should be > consistent. > > > Oooh, let's do the endash-hyphen thing right here ... not. The press do have their own style guides, so the message is more important than the medium. I have moved material around to get the punch into the first para. "Mary Rose" is good: on everyone's radar, apparently. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 00:40 +, Michael Peel wrote: > On 3 Jan 2010, at 00:35, Brian McNeil wrote: > Durova's already done what she can with the image in the release at > the moment. If you can figure out how to best add a mention of > digital restorations, please do... I'd like to work that in, the closest to an appropriate place I see is the "about Commons" section, and I'm stumped for a wording. I had a few edit conflicts making some changes; mostly taken from the English Wikinews' style guide. The repeat one was "spell out all numbers of twenty or less". I also figured the standard date format should be 'daynumber monthname year' - a UK-style/standard. There were a couple of American spellings in there too, mostly on "soft" words that a spell checker will accept either of. I don't think WMUK needs a style guide as long as Wikinews' but, it might be an idea to note points as we go along that should be consistent. -- Brian McNeil Wikinewsie.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 3 Jan 2010, at 00:35, Brian McNeil wrote: > On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 23:24 +, Michael Peel wrote: > >> The next press release, due to go out tomorrow evening, will be about >> a donation of images from the Mary Rose Trust: >> >> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Mary_Rose_Trust_donation >> >> Please help! If this goes down well in the media, then it will be a >> great precedent for getting more organizations to make their content >> available by Wikimedia websites. > > You mention the Tropenmuseum; there's more than just the image > donation > there. They're providing high-resolution images and Wikimedia > volunteers > are carrying out the costly, time-intensive process of digitally > restoring them. > > The Mary Rose pics won't need restored, but Commons offers some > interesting "services" to museums. Durova's already done what she can with the image in the release at the moment. If you can figure out how to best add a mention of digital restorations, please do... Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 23:24 +, Michael Peel wrote: > The next press release, due to go out tomorrow evening, will be about > a donation of images from the Mary Rose Trust: > > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Mary_Rose_Trust_donation > > Please help! If this goes down well in the media, then it will be a > great precedent for getting more organizations to make their content > available by Wikimedia websites. You mention the Tropenmuseum; there's more than just the image donation there. They're providing high-resolution images and Wikimedia volunteers are carrying out the costly, time-intensive process of digitally restoring them. The Mary Rose pics won't need restored, but Commons offers some interesting "services" to museums. -- Brian McNeil Wikinewsie.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 2 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Charles Matthews wrote: > In the end, a story appeared today: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6916596/WB-Yeats- > and-Sigmund-Freud-works-posted-on-Wikipedia-as-copyright-expires.html > > > Well done indeed to Mike and Andrew in particular for pushing on past > all the obstacles. Well done Charles and Brian for writing the article, and also pushing past your share of obstacles. :-) I think I've found another addiction thanks to this - I spent most of today and yesterday making a book of Yeats available on Wikisource... If you haven't already tried proofreading a book on Wikisource, then I would thoroughly recommend it. The next press release, due to go out tomorrow evening, will be about a donation of images from the Mary Rose Trust: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Mary_Rose_Trust_donation Please help! If this goes down well in the media, then it will be a great precedent for getting more organizations to make their content available by Wikimedia websites. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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2010/1/2 Ian A. Holton : > I don't think that contacting him via Twitter would be the most effective > way - you can imagine how many DM and @ he gets per minute at over 1 million > followers ;) How was the agent contacted, E-Mail? I often find the the > traditional telephone call can often work wonders. He frequently replies to people that talk to him on twitter. When I contacted his agent it was by email, a telephone call might work but there is no guarantee you'll get to talk to anyone other than his agent's secretary. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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I don't think that contacting him via Twitter would be the most effective way - you can imagine how many DM and @ he gets per minute at over 1 million followers ;) How was the agent contacted, E-Mail? I often find the the traditional telephone call can often work wonders. Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2010/1/2 Brian McNeil : > > I contacted Stephen Fry's agent but got no response. It may have been > > bad timing given the holidays, perhaps someone else could try and see if > > that can be arranged after the fact. > > I contacted his agent once to see if he would be interested in getting > involved with our bid for Wikimania 2010 and also got no response. If > he hadn't just announced that he's going incommunicado until April to > work on his autobiography, I would have suggested contacting him via > Twitter. He won't do any recordings until he's finished the book, > though. > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > -- Ian A Holton "What the liberal must ask, first of all, is not how fast or how far we should move, but where we should move." -F.A von Hayek ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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2010/1/2 Brian McNeil : > I contacted Stephen Fry's agent but got no response. It may have been > bad timing given the holidays, perhaps someone else could try and see if > that can be arranged after the fact. I contacted his agent once to see if he would be interested in getting involved with our bid for Wikimania 2010 and also got no response. If he hadn't just announced that he's going incommunicado until April to work on his autobiography, I would have suggested contacting him via Twitter. He won't do any recordings until he's finished the book, though. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 20:32 +, Charles Matthews wrote: > joseph seddon wrote: > > "To illustrate the potential, Wikimedia has organised for a range of > > its celebrity backers to record their favourite Yeats poems, which > > will be posted online over the next few days. " > > > > Since when? > Important not to believe everything in the papers, isn't it? > > Charles I contacted Stephen Fry's agent but got no response. It may have been bad timing given the holidays, perhaps someone else could try and see if that can be arranged after the fact. -- Brian McNeil Wikinewsie.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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2010/1/2 Charles Matthews : > In the end, a story appeared today: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6916596/WB-Yeats-and-Sigmund-Freud-works-posted-on-Wikipedia-as-copyright-expires.html > > Well done indeed to Mike and Andrew in particular for pushing on past > all the obstacles. I like the addition at the end of last year / next year. Something to include for next year's one, I think - having an "In the past few years..." line gives the opportunity to cram in some extra names the journalist may recognise. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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joseph seddon wrote: > "To illustrate the potential, Wikimedia has organised for a range of > its celebrity backers to record their favourite Yeats poems, which > will be posted online over the next few days. " > > Since when? Important not to believe everything in the papers, isn't it? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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2010/1/2 joseph seddon : > "To illustrate the potential, Wikimedia has organised for a range of its > celebrity backers to record their favourite Yeats poems, which will be > posted online over the next few days. " > > Since when? I remember seeing it proposed, but it being organised is news to me... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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"To illustrate the potential, Wikimedia has organised for a range of its celebrity backers to record their favourite Yeats poems, which will be posted online over the next few days. " Since when? Seddon > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:27:30 + > From: charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ... > > In the end, a story appeared today: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6916596/WB-Yeats-and-Sigmund-Freud-works-posted-on-Wikipedia-as-copyright-expires.html > > > > Well done indeed to Mike and Andrew in particular for pushing on past > all the obstacles. > > Charles > > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ...
In the end, a story appeared today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6916596/WB-Yeats-and-Sigmund-Freud-works-posted-on-Wikipedia-as-copyright-expires.html Well done indeed to Mike and Andrew in particular for pushing on past all the obstacles. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
