Re: [Wikitech-l] [Bug 60940] Gerrit throwing internal server error with status:closed queries
Hi, On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:56:20PM -0500, MZMcBride wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Reports stopped updating for a few days due to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60940 as far as I can tell. For now I've just disabled checking changes that have a status of closed. The reports should resume updating daily, but some of the reports will likely be incomplete or inaccurate until this bug is fixed. the bug should now be fixed, and re-enabling checks for status:closed should work again. If you still run into problems, please reopen the bug. Best regards, Christian -- quelltextlich e.U. \\ Christian Aistleitner Companies' registry: 360296y in Linz Christian Aistleitner Gruendbergstrasze 65aEmail: christ...@quelltextlich.at 4040 Linz, Austria Phone: +43 732 / 26 95 63 Fax:+43 732 / 26 95 63 Homepage: http://quelltextlich.at/ --- OpenPGP key transition from 0xEF78CCDE to 0x13C1072F: http://quelltextlich.at/openpgp-transition-0xEF78CCDE-to-0x13C1072F.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC discussion Friday 14 Feb: TitleValue
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: The discussion will be in #wikimedia-office at 13:00 UTC on Friday the 14th: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=RFC+reviewiso=20140214T14p1=37ah=1 Cool, now I have something to tell people when they ask what I'll be doing for Valentine's Day. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for Zürich Hackathon - getting close to a production-like Vagrant instance
Argh! Thanks Pavel :) On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Pavel Astakhov pastak...@yandex.ru wrote: aren't you lost this links? :-) 1 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant 2 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014 11.02.2014 06:13, Arthur Richards пишет: A few of us have been discussing how awesome it would be to use MediaWiki-Vagrant[1] to create a portable production-like environment. This would give Mediawiki engineers a common ground from which to develop core code and/or extensions, and by coming close to mimicking Wikimedia's production environment, would hopefully reduce the amount of friction around getting features out to production. Also, this is something that we would be able to pre-package this for new engineers - imagine handing a new MediaWiki engineer a USB stick with an up-to-date MediaWiki-Vagrant instance that closely mimics production at say, a future hackathon. We started chatting about what it would take to get us there, and identified some initial steps that we'd like to tackle at the Zürich Hackathon - namely, turning a few puppetized production services into roles that we could use in MediaWiki-Vagrant. We've created a corresponding 'topic' on the Hackathon's topic page[2] to describe what we'd like to achieve at the Hackathon. Please review, comment, and certainly add yourself as an 'interested person' if this catches your fancy and you plan to attend the hackathon. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Hong-Kong citizens being unable to upload big content to Commons
Hi It seems that people in Hong-Kong are not able to upload big content (for example videos) to Commons due to (what looks like to be) a lack of connectivity between their Internet provider and the Wikimedia datacenters (but Youtube works well). I reported about that on Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60283 Surprisingly (to me), nobody from the WMF ops team has answered to the multiple comments so far and the ticket has been categorized with a low priority. Thus, is that really a minor issue? Or is Bugzilla the wrong place to talk about that? Regards Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for Zürich Hackathon - getting close to a production-like Vagrant instance
A few of us have been discussing how awesome it would be to use MediaWiki-Vagrant[1] to create a portable production-like environment. This would give Mediawiki engineers a common ground from which to develop core code and/or extensions, and by coming close to mimicking Wikimedia's production environment, would hopefully reduce the amount of friction around getting features out to production. Also, this is something that we would be able to pre-package this for new engineers - imagine handing a new MediaWiki engineer a USB stick with an up-to-date MediaWiki-Vagrant instance that closely mimics production at say, a future hackathon. We started chatting about what it would take to get us there, and identified some initial steps that we'd like to tackle at the Zürich Hackathon - namely, turning a few puppetized production services into roles that we could use in MediaWiki-Vagrant. We've created a corresponding 'topic' on the Hackathon's topic page[2] to describe what we'd like to achieve at the Hackathon. Please review, comment, and certainly add yourself as an 'interested person' if this catches your fancy and you plan to attend the hackathon. I am keeping my options open for the hackathon but wanted to support this effort enthusiastically. And to mention that the analytics team loves mediawiki-vagrant and tries to get most of its projects integrated with it as roles. One thing I'd be interested in is to hear how Linux folks are installing vagrant / virtualbox. I've not been able to vagrant up my mediawiki-vagrant since I upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10 and I've heard of at least two other people with the same experience. Maybe 14.04 will just solve all that, but it's worth looking into so we can post any gotchas in the install instructions. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for Zürich Hackathon - getting close to a production-like Vagrant instance
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.orgwrote: One thing I'd be interested in is to hear how Linux folks are installing vagrant / virtualbox. I've not been able to vagrant up my mediawiki-vagrant since I upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10 and I've heard of at least two other people with the same experience. Maybe 14.04 will just solve all that, but it's worth looking into so we can post any gotchas in the install instructions. I can't comment about Ubuntu, but using Debian Sid I was finally able to get it to work this morning. All I had to do was apt-get install virtualbox-dkms and vagrant. Versions here are 4.3.2-dfsg-1 for virtualbox, 1.4.3-1 for vagrant, and 3.12.9-1 for the kernel. -- Brad Jorsch (Anomie) Software Engineer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Toolserver Error 502
Any idea what is going on with Toolserver? I've noticed several times over the past few days that it's been very slow to run tools, or just non-functional at all, giving a 502 error. With the Steward elections going on, I suspect a lot of people will be trying to make use of the tool at [0] to check their eligibility to vote. Is there a bug in bugzilla that I might be able to watch? Or is this a new issue? Thank you, Derric Atzrott [1] https://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/accounteligibility/?event=31 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Hong-Kong citizens being unable to upload big content to Commons
Le 11/02/2014 19:06, Emmanuel Engelhart a écrit : It seems that people in Hong-Kong are not able to upload big content (for example videos) to Commons due to (what looks like to be) a lack of connectivity between their Internet provider and the Wikimedia datacenters (but Youtube works well). I reported about that on Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60283 Surprisingly (to me), nobody from the WMF ops team has answered to the multiple comments so far and the ticket has been categorized with a low priority. Thus, is that really a minor issue? Or is Bugzilla the wrong place to talk about that? Faidon (who knows about network) replied on the bug asking for more informations. Basically hong-kong is too vague when it comes to internet connectivity. -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Wikimania scholarships - apply by 17 February
Reminder: if you want to come to Wikimania in London this August (where a lot of people will be hacking together), and you need help with money for travel or lodging, apply for a scholarship https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Scholarships by Monday the 17th. You'll get a decision by early April. You are eligible, regardless of age and location. Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolserver Error 502
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Is there a bug in bugzilla that I might be able to watch? Or is this a new issue? The toolserver admins use JIRA not bugzilla so I don't expect you to find anything in bugzilla. I'd check first toolserver-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l and then some IRC channels e.g. #wikimedia-toolserver, #wikimedia-stewards, #wikimedia (also, could see if someone mentioned in #wikimedia-tech, etc. but toolserver is outside their domain) Then check JIRAhttps://jira.toolserver.org/. (note however that in order to login, create an account or reset your password you'll need to submit a sacrifice and roll some dice) -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Registration Open: Wikimedia Hackathon 2014 in Zürich
Dear all, as announced earlier we will have a Hackathon in Zürich May 9th to 11th. Now our registration is open - especially if you come from a country where you need a visa for the Schengen area or if you need a scholarship - register early! Registration Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1nlrQ7cox36xaNK1u9iKP-thogY5TVrilOGJR79DqQ9A/viewform Further information on the event can be found on MediaWiki.org: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014 Regards and see you in Zürich! /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting off with development on Wikimedia for GSOC
Akash, have you gotten the help you need? If not, tell us where you're getting stuck so we can give you advice. :) Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Feb 9, 2014 11:34 AM, Akash Agarwal akash...@gmail.com wrote: especially *Tools for mass migration of legacy translated wiki content*. A good place to start would be asking for help in #mediawiki-i18n @ freenode -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for Zürich Hackathon - getting close to a production-like Vagrant instance
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org wrote: One thing I'd be interested in is to hear how Linux folks are installing vagrant / virtualbox. I've not been able to vagrant up my mediawiki-vagrant since I upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10 and I've heard of at least two other people with the same experience. Maybe 14.04 will just solve all that, but it's worth looking into so we can post any gotchas in the install instructions. I can't comment about Ubuntu, but using Debian Sid I was finally able to get it to work this morning. All I had to do was apt-get install virtualbox-dkms and vagrant. Versions here are 4.3.2-dfsg-1 for virtualbox, 1.4.3-1 for vagrant, and 3.12.9-1 for the kernel. Thanks Brad. Those versions didn't work for me so I finally stopped being lazy and looked into it. It was user error (well, sort of). VT-x was disabled in my BIOS. Added a note in the README: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/112800/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Action Script API client library?
Hi, Does anyone know a MediaWiki API library written in Action Script? I have an AS developer willing to start learning about MW and I wanted to make it easy for him. If not, what would be a near language that we do have a library for? JS? Java? Thanks, Strainu ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for Zürich Hackathon - getting close to a production-like Vagrant instance
On 02/10/2014 04:13 PM, Arthur Richards wrote: A few of us have been discussing how awesome it would be to use MediaWiki-Vagrant[1] to create a portable production-like environment. We recently started a push on this by packaging Parsoid and other services (rt test server, mathoid, ..) as Debian packages. This makes the installation in a Debian/Ubuntu environment as easy as 'apt-get install parsoid'. An important advantage is that these packages are also directly usable for hosted virtual machines commonly used by third party wiki installs. It also avoids duplicating standard packaging tasks like startup scripts, user setup, logging etc between packages and puppet, and lets puppet concentrate on managing just the differences in configurations. Gabriel ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Action Script API client library?
Both ActionScript and JavaScript are ECMAScript languages and are thus pretty similar. I last did AS coding about 4 years ago but I don’t think the language has changed significantly since then. I’d be surprised if there was an ActionScript library for MediaWiki, so your best bet is JavaScript. On Feb 11, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know a MediaWiki API library written in Action Script? I have an AS developer willing to start learning about MW and I wanted to make it easy for him. If not, what would be a near language that we do have a library for? JS? Java? Thanks, Strainu ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Action Script API client library?
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Both ActionScript and JavaScript are ECMAScript languages and are thus pretty similar. I last did AS coding about 4 years ago but I don't think the language has changed significantly since then. I'd be surprised if there was an ActionScript library for MediaWiki, so your best bet is JavaScript. When I used ActionScript it was fairly easy to communicate back and forth with JavaScript. I'd use the JavaScript API and talk to it from ActionScript. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Action Script API client library?
2014-02-11 23:35 GMT+02:00 Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Both ActionScript and JavaScript are ECMAScript languages and are thus pretty similar. I last did AS coding about 4 years ago but I don't think the language has changed significantly since then. I'd be surprised if there was an ActionScript library for MediaWiki, so your best bet is JavaScript. When I used ActionScript it was fairly easy to communicate back and forth with JavaScript. I'd use the JavaScript API and talk to it from ActionScript. Thanks for the suggestions guys. Strainu ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/7/14, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: If feel like I should reiterate why I proposed this change. Maybe no one cares, but I think it might help convince folks this is NOT an argument for let's reduce user freedom in the name of security. I didn't worked on the RFC because I love tinkering with password security in my spare time and know lots about it. Far from it. I did it because I think we're failing MediaWiki users on *all installations* by inviting them to sign up for an account, and then failing to set default requirements that help them adequately secure those accounts. Users tend to follow defaults and do the minimum effort to reach their goals -- in this case to sign up and then get editing. It's our job as the MediaWiki designers and developers to set good defaults that encourage account security without being excessively annoying. In addition to just being sane about security defaults, there is more. Allow me to wax poetic a moment... If you can edit anonymously, why do we allow and encourage registration at all? Many reasons of course, but one of them is because it is a rewarding experience to have a persistent identity on a wiki. We all know how real that identity becomes sometimes. When I meet Krinkle or MZMcbride in real life, I don't call them Timo and Max. Or if I do, I don't think of them as those names in my head. When wiki users start an account, they might think that they are just creating something unimportant. They may actually have bad intentions. But part of this is that we're offering people an account because it gives them a chance to be recognized, implicitly and explicitly, for the work they do on our wikis. I think setting a default of 1 character passwords required doesn't reinforce the idea that an account is something you might actually come to cherish a bit, and that it might even represent you in some important way to others. By signaling to new users that an account is so worthless that it's cool if you have a one character password... well, is that really such a good thing? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:44 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: P.S. I also casually wonder whether there's a reasonable argument to be made here that requiring longer passwords will hurt editor retention more than it helps, but this thought is still largely unformed and unfocused. I think that's a canard. There are many many sites that do not have user acquisition or retention problems, while also having sane password length requirements. Yes, this is a potential extra roadblock, which may slightly reduce conversion rates on the signup form by slowing people down. However, one of the clear arguments in favor of doing this now (as opposed to say, back in 2001) is that users will largely expect an account on a popular website to require them to have a password longer than 1 character. If we really are scared about the requirements in our signup form driving people away from editing, we can make many user experience improvements that would, like every other site, offset the terrible awful horrible evil of requiring a six character password. I'd be happy to list specifics if someone wants, but this email is already too long. Steven ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Thanks for the background, I think its important to know the why for a change, not just a what. However it doesn't address what I see as the main concern being raised about this proposal - the lack of a threat model. Who is the enemy we're concerned about breaking into accounts? What is the enemy's resources? Anything done for security should be in reference to some sort of threat model. Otherwise we will probably end up implementing security that does not make sense, things that protect one aspect without protecting the important aspect, etc. Well most people think having distinct identities on wiki is important, what we need to protect them from is going to vary wildly from person to person. It wouldn't surprise me if the hard-core SoftSecurity people would argue for an honour system... Totally agree, and I added a first pass for it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Passwords#Threats Users tend to follow defaults and do the minimum effort to reach their goals -- in this case to sign up and then get editing. 'password' is probably less secure than most one letter passwords. --bawolff p.s. I don't think stronger password requirements will have much of an affect on user retention assuming the requirements aren't insane (e.g. Don't require a password min 9 max 13 characters long with exactly 7 symbols and no more than 2 numbers)
Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy
Chris Steipp wrote: Totally agree, and I added a first pass for it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Passwords#Threats Thanks for this. I think it's a good start. I think it's reasonable to say that you've established that there are threats. In my opinion, now it's a matter of demonstrating that any counter-measures proposed will directly mitigate those threats. And it's also a matter of demonstrating that the threats are substantial (dangerous) enough to warrant a response. There are nearly a limitless number of threats in life, so figuring out how much energy to invest in securing free and unprivileged accounts versus administrator or steward accounts is important. Just to give a better understanding, for the English Wikipedia as of about Wed Feb 12 03:44:04 UTC 2014: MariaDB [enwiki_p] select user_editcount, count(user_id) from user group by user_editcount order by user_editcount asc limit 11; +++ | user_editcount | count(user_id) | +++ | 0 | 13814964 | | 1 |2406240 | | 2 |1151354 | | 3 | 664263 | | 4 | 436915 | | 5 | 309483 | | 6 | 231616 | | 7 | 178952 | | 8 | 143525 | | 9 | 116164 | | 10 | 96053 | +++ 11 rows in set (38.93 sec) Pastebin: http://p.defau.lt/?4QMxue_aRSm1eK9CEK_wDw There are approximately 20,740,377 user accounts total, so roughly 66.61% of accounts have zero edits and roughly 94.26% of accounts have ten or fewer edits on the English Wikipedia. A few thousand of these users are likely involved in substantial work on other wikis, but that's probably a nearly insignificant percentage. The convenience versus security trade-off is still a serious consideration, in my opinion. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] bits.wikimedia.org returns an incomplete css for all wikis except wikipedia
Hi. Sorry for the email, but I believe this issue occurred recently
and could affect other bits.wikimedia.org users as well.
I've listed the reproduction steps below and filed a bug report here:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61249
If anyone has any details (such as whether or not this is deliberate,
or when it will be fixed), I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks.
REPRODUCTION
* Go to the following link for it.wiktionary.org:
http://bits.wikimedia.org/it.wiktionary.org/load.php?debug=truemodules=ext.gadget.Edittools,WmfProjectStatusHelper,collapsibleTables,site|ext.rtlcite,wikihiero|ext.uls.nojs|mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint,shared|mw.PopUpMediaTransform|skins.vectoronly=stylesskin=vector*
* Search for portal. No results will be found.
* Go to the following link for it.wikipedia.org:
http://bits.wikimedia.org/it.wikipedia.org/load.php?debug=truemodules=ext.gadget.Edittools,WmfProjectStatusHelper,collapsibleTables,site|ext.rtlcite,wikihiero|ext.uls.nojs|mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint,shared|mw.PopUpMediaTransform|skins.vectoronly=stylesskin=vector*
* Search for portal. The first result will be: #mw-panel.collapsible-nav
.portal {
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