[Wikitech-l] Wednesday the 26th - styling in templates discussion

2014-03-25 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-03-26

This Wednesday the 26th, at 2100 UTC, in #wikimedia-office , we will be
talking about Jon Robson's Allow styling in templates proposal:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates

Berlin: 10pm
New York City: 5pm
San Francisco: 2pm
Sydney: 8am Thursday

Please do come with comments and suggestions.

We also have room to discuss an additional RfC on Wednesday, in case you
have a favorite.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC proposal for A system for reviewing funding requests

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Hi!

[Again the usual detail I share on this...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a 
formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just 
grants from wmf)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)]

I have made style changes to your gallery on the wiki page. Please also note 
that you may want to be as thorough as possible in your details about past 
experience. I.e. linking to a nice phpmyadmin bugfix is good, but it may also 
be a good idea to link to a complete list and perhaps describe the time span 
over which you were helping that project. I gather there is some merit in 
conveying all of your relevant past experience in the application.

Good luck!
Gryllida.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, at 11:17, Sastry aditya wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My name is AV Aditya Sastry. I am a student at GITAM University, vizag, AP,
 India.
 
 I have four bug patches merged in mediawiki and one waiting review (
 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/117854)
 
 Please review my proposal for this project.
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ganeshaditya1/GSOCproposal
 
 
 Regards,
 Aditya
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC Proposal System for reviewing funding requests

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Hi!

[Again the usual detail I share on this...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a 
formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just 
grants from wmf)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)]

You may want to be more detailed about your past experience. If you have none, 
you might want to try one of the 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs as an exercise, and include 
in your application.

Gryllida.


On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, at 5:16, Prashant G wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I'm Prashant Gurumukhi, Nagpur India. I have made my proposal for the
 project
 A system for reviewing funding request. I would like you to review it and
 please tell If I missed anything. Here's a link to my proposal:
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:ImPacific/GSoC_proposal_2014
 User Page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:ImPacific
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Re: [Wikitech-l] What are you looking for in CodeEditor ?

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Ability to edit sections.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60438

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, at 9:03, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote:
 I've been doing some work on the Lua/CSS/JS CodeEditor to make it and its 
 toolbar a bit more usable, but I'm looking for some input on what YOU want.
 
 I've listed some ideas here:
 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59924
 
 A list of key commands is here:
 https://github.com/ajaxorg/ace/wiki/Default-Keyboard-Shortcuts
 
 And ACE itself has a demo site that shows a few of the options as well:
 http://ace.c9.io/build/kitchen-sink.html
 
 I've now got a button to show invisible characters, and a button to show the 
 find and replace dialog. Of course most options are available already trough 
 key commands but many people are not familiar with those.
 
 If anyone has any specific desires/ideas/feedback etc, I'd love to hear it. 
 Also, if someone can help with making icons for those toolbar buttons, that 
 would also be appreciated.
 
 DJ
 
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for GSoC 2014 - Implementing a To-do list

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Hi Hareesh,

Bookmarking pages, partly with the purpose of leaving notes to self about 
to-dos, is a long wanted feature. Thank you for considering working on 
something closely related.

To ease your work:
 Consider adapting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection for 
users to use a Special:MyUser/My Bookmarks Collection where they can bookmark 
pages and put them into sections, such as to translate, to expand, with 
comments for each.

Feedback on text:
 I don't see what there is about opting in. A to-do should be available, just 
empty in some cases, if people don't like it. A setting could be an 
over-complication.

Gryllida.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, at 5:20, Hareesh wrote:
 Hi,
  I've submitted a proposal to implement a to-do list in the wiki projects.
 [1].
 
 The project aims at:
 * Providing a To-do list to the users who opt in.
 * Facilitating the ease of maintaining records of the tasks to be done by
 an user.
 
 Help me in improving this proposal. Please leave your feedback.
 [1]:*https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Hareesh_Sivasubramanian/GSoC_2014_Implementing_To-do_list
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Hareesh_Sivasubramanian/GSoC_2014_Implementing_To-do_list*
 
 Regards,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014: Project Proposal for A system for reviewing funding request

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Great!

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 3:02, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote:
 @Gryllida
 Thank you for the reply.
 
 Sorry for misunderstanding. As it is mentioned that the Admin person who is
 creating the new grant campaign can create the review criteria, the area
 shown as a text box can be of different sorts. It is just a representation
 of the scoring criteria. Actually I did not have much understanding about
 what would be the scoring criteria. Your explanation really helped me to
 understand the use case.
 
 Regards,
 Maduranga
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  It is a few questions with a score (an integer) on each. Possibly also one
  textbox.
 
  I.e.
 
  budget ok?
  1 2 3 4 5 6
  X
 
  scope / multi project impact?
  1 2 3 4 5 6
  X
 
  impact substantial?
  1 2 3 4 5 6
X
 
  impact to continue after grant ends?
  1 2 3 4 5 6
  X
 
  ok to fund?
  0 1
  X
 
  comments (posted to grant applications talk pages after reviewing ends,
  but anonymous)
  
  |
  | (a text box)
  |
  
 
  I have forwarded your initial message to one of the mentors, so I think
  they'd hand you some small test tasks to check your skills and add you in
  to the GSOC project. (I have found 3-4 students interested and forwarded
  them all so I hope you'll all make it to completion!)
 
  Gryllida.
 
  On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, at 22:35, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote:
   @Gryllida,
   Previously I checked the page [1]. But I couldn't find much details about
   how the scoring is done. So can you please elaborate how the scoring is
   done so that I can design how the scoring form should look like?
  
   [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox
  
   Regards,
   Maduranga.
  
  
   On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:
  
The score really should be something different from a textbox imo.
   
See more detail I could locate about this idea:
   
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system-roles
   and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants,
ie GSoC things can also go there)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked
  from
the idealab thing)
   
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, at 7:10, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote:
 Hi all,
 I'm Maduranga Siriwardena, 3rd year Computer Science and Engineering
 undergraduate of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I have applied
  for the
 project *A system for reviewing funding request* and the project
proposal I
 submitted to google-melange can be found in [1].

 I have created a wiki page containing my project proposal and you can
find
 it from [2].

 And also my user page can be found from [3].

 [1]

   
  https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/madurangasiriwardena/5629499534213120
 [2]

   
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests

 [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga

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 University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2014: project proposal for a system for reviewing funding request.

2014-03-25 Thread Gryllida
Hi Rahul,

[Again the usual detail I share on this...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a 
formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just 
grants from wmf)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)]

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests

Great proposal! I see some relevant bug fixing background and spec. (I'm not 
mentoring the thing, but I'm one of the people who is interested in using it.)

Regarding your time plan: Please include means for implementing feedback from 
the Grant Committees on *each* *step* as it could improve your output. Your 
mentors would give such feedback to you.

Regards
Gryllida.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 20:07, Rahul Mishra wrote:
 On 03/20/2014 01:36 PM, Rahul Mishra wrote:
  Hi,
 
 
  Please ignore my earlier mail, i have done some editing in my draft 
  and mailing it again.
 
  I am Rahul Mishra,final year undergraduate and pursuing
  my B-Tech form Netaji Subhash Engineering College having
  majors Computer Sciences  Engineering.
 
  I am very much interested in the project of A system for reviewing 
  funding
  requests and proposed a draft titled A system for reviewing funding 
  requests.
 
  Please review my draft and please give your valuable 
  advise/suggestions, so that
  i can further improve my proposal and make it better.
 
  Link to my Userpage.
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rahulmishra22
 
  Link to the project.
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests
   
 
 
  Link to the Proposal.
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests
   
 
 
 
  Thank you,
  Rahul Mishra.
  Dept. of CSE,
  NSEC.
 
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 Just an edit in above
 
 Link to the proposal :
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests
 
 
 
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[Wikitech-l] GSoC proposal:upload tool

2014-03-25 Thread Rohit Dua
Hi,
I've submitted a proposal to automate the process of uploading books from
libraries like Google-Books to the internet archive, which could further be
used on commons.

Please help me improving the proposal and adding and other features that
might be of interest. Please leave you feedback

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:8ohit.dua/GSoC_proposal_2014

Regards
Rohit Dua
(8ohit.dua)
8ohit@gmail.com
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Update on HHVM

2014-03-25 Thread Daniel Zahn
This sounds all exiciting but let me remind you that if we want to get out
of Tampa we need to move the current _Apache_ deployment. Sync
scripts,-gracefull all etc away from fenari to something in eqiad. Is there
anyone working on this? Just making sure that we don't fall into the usual
trap - everybody wants to build new stuff - nobody wants to migrate old
boring stuff.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC Office Hour on Project Management Tools Review: Friday 28th, 17:00UTC

2014-03-25 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Alolita Sharma asha...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Are you planning to do a walkthrough of your findings on Phabricator in
 this review. I am interested in the tool's project management and roadmap
 functionality if any :-)

The IRC discussion will be mostly that: a discussion. We'll briefly
provide some context about the project management tools review, but we
won't be doing a demo or walkthrough of Phabricator.

Our goal is to raise awareness about the tools review, to make sure as
many people as possible can look at the options, test them and provide
feedback. Another goal will be to polish the upcoming RfC that we're
drafting.

If you'd like to learn more about Phabricator's project management and
roadmap functionality, I invite you to test it live on the test
instance at http://fab.wmflabs.org/ . Alternatively, you can also
peruse http://phabricator.org/ and http://phabricator.org/tour/ . I
strongly encourage everyone to do so before the IRC discussion, so we
can all have a more informed chat about Phabricator and the other
options currently under consideration.

 Also how long does this irc session run? 1 hour?

We'll be there for an hour at least, yes, although the session may end
before that if there are no more questions/comments. If we need to go
longer, we'll address that then :)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC Office Hour on Project Management Tools Review: Friday 28th, 17:00UTC

2014-03-25 Thread Dan Andreescu
looking forward to attending this, thanks for organizing


 If you'd like to learn more about Phabricator's project management and
 roadmap functionality, I invite you to test it live on the test
 instance at http://fab.wmflabs.org/ . Alternatively, you can also
 peruse http://phabricator.org/ and http://phabricator.org/tour/ . I
 strongly encourage everyone to do so before the IRC discussion, so we
 can all have a more informed chat about Phabricator and the other
 options currently under consideration.


I've taken a look but I think it would be awesome if we could set up
repositories and do a mock code review.  I'd love to see how that
integrates with tasks (so we can compare with gerrit - bugzilla for
example).
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[Wikitech-l] Encoding (Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.)

2014-03-25 Thread Jon Robson
Now MobileFrontend is using JSON for languages, I jumped on this to
create a script to make language addition easier - basically a command
line interface called `make message` that edits the JSONs to add an
English message and QQQ code and maintains alphabetical ordering [1].

Recently this was used and some updates came from translatewiki.net

I ran my `make message` script and noticed it made some changes to
those from translation updator bot [2].
I was wondering - what would be the correct way to store these messages?
Do I need to update my script or should Translator bot being doing
things differently?

아라 or \uc544\ub77c
\u003Ccode\u003E or code ?

Thanks in advances for your opinions!

[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119637/
[2] https://gist.github.com/jdlrobson/9767604

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Encoding (Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.)

2014-03-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 25, 2014 3:11 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now MobileFrontend is using JSON for languages, I jumped on this to
 create a script to make language addition easier - basically a command
 line interface called `make message` that edits the JSONs to add an
 English message and QQQ code and maintains alphabetical ordering [1].

 Recently this was used and some updates came from translatewiki.net

 I ran my `make message` script and noticed it made some changes to
 those from translation updator bot [2].
 I was wondering - what would be the correct way to store these messages?
 Do I need to update my script or should Translator bot being doing
 things differently?

 아라 or \uc544\ub77c
 \u003Ccode\u003E or code ?

 Thanks in advances for your opinions!

 [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119637/
 [2] https://gist.github.com/jdlrobson/9767604

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Lets not escape unicode characters unnessarily - humans read those files
too.

JSON files are allowed to have most characters as unescaped utf8

-bawolff
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2014: project proposal for a system for reviewing funding request.

2014-03-25 Thread Rahul Mishra

On 03/25/2014 04:12 PM, Gryllida wrote:

Hi Rahul,

[Again the usual detail I share on this...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a 
formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just 
grants from wmf)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)]


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests

Great proposal! I see some relevant bug fixing background and spec. (I'm not 
mentoring the thing, but I'm one of the people who is interested in using it.)

Regarding your time plan: Please include means for implementing feedback from 
the Grant Committees on *each* *step* as it could improve your output. Your 
mentors would give such feedback to you.

Regards
Gryllida.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 20:07, Rahul Mishra wrote:

On 03/20/2014 01:36 PM, Rahul Mishra wrote:

Hi,


Please ignore my earlier mail, i have done some editing in my draft
and mailing it again.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rahulmishra22

Link to the project.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests


Link to the Proposal.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests

Thank you,
Rahul Mishra.
Dept. of CSE,
NSEC.

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Just an edit in above

Link to the proposal :
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests



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Hi,

Thank you for your review, i have made some changes as suggested by you 
and also brought some other little changes,  if you could take another 
look at it, it would further help me improve my proposal.


Link to the proposal: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rahulmishra22/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests


Thank you,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC Office Hour on Project Management Tools Review: Friday 28th, 17:00UTC

2014-03-25 Thread Gilles Dubuc
You can add external repos, people have already added a bunch:
http://fab.wmflabs.org/diffusion/ This allows you to comment/raise issue on
commits that have already been pushed. Example:
http://fab.wmflabs.org/rMMV49bc5edd9384ecc22a05a22a88bc70cd2439c5b3

And I'm pretty sure the phabricator command line tool (arcanist) should
just work to upload diffs for review:
https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/arcanist_diff/


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 looking forward to attending this, thanks for organizing


  If you'd like to learn more about Phabricator's project management and
  roadmap functionality, I invite you to test it live on the test
  instance at http://fab.wmflabs.org/ . Alternatively, you can also
  peruse http://phabricator.org/ and http://phabricator.org/tour/ . I
  strongly encourage everyone to do so before the IRC discussion, so we
  can all have a more informed chat about Phabricator and the other
  options currently under consideration.
 

 I've taken a look but I think it would be awesome if we could set up
 repositories and do a mock code review.  I'd love to see how that
 integrates with tasks (so we can compare with gerrit - bugzilla for
 example).
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Encoding (Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.)

2014-03-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 25, 2014 7:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mar 25, 2014 3:11 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Now MobileFrontend is using JSON for languages, I jumped on this to
  create a script to make language addition easier - basically a command
  line interface called `make message` that edits the JSONs to add an
  English message and QQQ code and maintains alphabetical ordering [1].
 
  Recently this was used and some updates came from translatewiki.net
 
  I ran my `make message` script and noticed it made some changes to
  those from translation updator bot [2].
  I was wondering - what would be the correct way to store these messages?
  Do I need to update my script or should Translator bot being doing
  things differently?
 
  아라 or \uc544\ub77c
  \u003Ccode\u003E or code ?
 
  Thanks in advances for your opinions!
 
  [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119637/
  [2] https://gist.github.com/jdlrobson/9767604
 
 

I recentish looked at json encoding for a different project. The conclusion
there too pretty much was to never use Unicode escapes except when demanded
by the spec.

As often, non bmp stuff may be painful. Composite pairs of Unicode escapes
may be used to describe a codepoint in json. Whether you prefer to believe
that the json encoder of your consumer is less likely to choke on astral
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 Lets not escape unicode characters unnessarily - humans read those files
 too.

 JSON files are allowed to have most characters as unescaped utf8

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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-03-25 Thread Quinn
addshorewiki wrote
 en.wiki
 data.wiki
 meta.wiki
 media.wiki
 en.books.wiki
 en.voyage.wiki

I plead with anyone willing to listen: do not jump on the temptation to have
a dozen vanity domains for one person, project, or organization. One
delegated zone from the top level zone is good enough.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-03-25 Thread Quinn
Jeremy Baron wrote
 Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
 starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
 place?)

Duplicate the zone and add additional resource requirements (a slew of new
server virtual host configurations) just for vanity?



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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-03-25 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Quinn wood.quin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jeremy Baron wrote
 Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
 starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
 place?)

 Duplicate the zone and add additional resource requirements (a slew of new
 server virtual host configurations) just for vanity?

Your quote could use some more context. Whether it should be
registered is irrelevant. That was about whether it *could* be. (or if
it would be prevented because of the use of a trademark)

-Jeremy

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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-03-25 Thread Quinn Wood
Jeremy Baron wrote
 Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
 starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
 place?)

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote:
 Your quote could use some more context. Whether it should be
 registered is irrelevant. That was about whether it *could* be. (or if
 it would be prevented because of the use of a trademark)

If you were delegated authority for startwars.wiki. by the operators
of wiki. and added
starwars.wiki.INCNAMEstarwars.wikia.com.
to your zone file, George Lucas and friends may attempt to prevent you
from using the zone/record. I'd assume the closer your zone/record
gets to the root the more of a chance they would have of convincing a
judge that they needed to defend the trademark.

WMF wouldn't have a say in the matter.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-03-25 Thread Jasper Deng
Ultimately, registering .wiki names for Wikimedia wikis might improve
accessibility to our wikis and further the concept of wikis in general, but
(second-level) domain names aren't free (with few exceptions), so the
foundation would have to take it up as an additional cost.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Quinn Wood wood.quin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jeremy Baron wrote
  Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
  starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
  place?)

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com
 wrote:
  Your quote could use some more context. Whether it should be
  registered is irrelevant. That was about whether it *could* be. (or if
  it would be prevented because of the use of a trademark)
 
 If you were delegated authority for startwars.wiki. by the operators
 of wiki. and added
 starwars.wiki.INCNAMEstarwars.wikia.com.
 to your zone file, George Lucas and friends may attempt to prevent you
 from using the zone/record. I'd assume the closer your zone/record
 gets to the root the more of a chance they would have of convincing a
 judge that they needed to defend the trademark.

 WMF wouldn't have a say in the matter.

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