[Wikitech-l] RuboCop is now voting
Antoine and I have paired on making the RuboCop[0] Jenkins jobs voting. The details are in Phabricator[1] and Gerrit[2]. If you are not familiar with Rubocop, there is some documentation at mediawiki.org[3] and my blog[4]. If a repository is set up to run RuboCop, all you have to do is to execute this is terminal: gem install bundler bundle install bundle exec rubocop If you have any questions, or if you notice any problems, let me know. Željko -- 0: https://github.com/bbatsov/rubocop 1: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T84979 2: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/191861/ 3: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/Ruby#RuboCop 4: http://filipin.eu/rubocop/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:22 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. Eh? I think Babel templates are from last decade. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preparing Google Summer of Code 2015 and Outreachy
Wikimedia has applied to both programs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2015 (pending on Google's announcement, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T921) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_10 (already confirmed) On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you are interested in proposing a project idea, associate your task to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/ (work-in-progress drafts and other proposals subject to discussion are welcome too) Currently we have ONLY FIVE FEATURED PROJECT IDEAS. Two more are missing mentors. 22 need discussion. 32 are still in the backlog. Your help pushing suitable project ideas and volunteering to mentor them is very welcome! I'm looking for a co-organizer to drive this round. Niharika Kohli (former OPW intern) has volunteered as org admin. Thank you very much! From now on, she will be the primary org admin. I will help her during the rest of the program, of course. My not so secret plan is that Niharika and the mentors will organize both program themselves flawlessly, especially once the interns have been selected. -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. However check it out on my profile. Thanks, GerardM On 20 February 2015 at 11:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Parser tests failing due to clickable anchors for section headers
In I562e437e, clickable anchors for section headers were added to the parser's output, which is causing many extensions' tests to fail . I will try to update some of the extensions' tests, but I'm hoping the extension maintainers will update their tests to reflect this change since I don't think I'll be able to update them all as of now. Sincere apologies for the late notification. Regards, polybuildr ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Parser tests failing due to clickable anchors for section headers
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 19:45 +0530, Vivek Ghaisas wrote: In I562e437e, clickable anchors for section headers were added to the parser's output, which is causing many extensions' tests to fail . For the records, the related ticket is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90018 andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hello, thanks for this, it is a good feature.
Does it work for Wiktionary, Wikisource, etc? Does it show the same
userpage in any sister project? In that case, a trick to show different
content using a switch and the {{SITENAME}} magic word would work?
2015-02-19 2:06 GMT+01:00 Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com:
Hello!
Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
Phabricator[2].
Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
(incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra,
MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
helped with testing it while it was in beta.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?
projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
Il 20/02/2015 22:29, Gergo Tisza ha scritto: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Another alternative is to explicitly support multiple usernames under an umbrella backend account... (Anybody remember AOL screen names? BLAST FROM THE PAST) Or just add a this is my primary account flag, which, when set, clears the same flag from all other accounts with the same email. If we require email confirmation for setting it, that would even take care of concerns about email addresses changing hands over time. I proposed something like that a couple months ago [1] [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079831.html ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Another alternative is to explicitly support multiple usernames under an umbrella backend account... (Anybody remember AOL screen names? BLAST FROM THE PAST) Or just add a this is my primary account flag, which, when set, clears the same flag from all other accounts with the same email. If we require email confirmation for setting it, that would even take care of concerns about email addresses changing hands over time. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] My experiences with PHPCS and PHPMD
Hey, I've written some stuff about my experiences with PHPCS and PHPMD in the context of MediaWiki development, which might be of interest to people here. http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2015/02/20/phpcs-and-phpmd-my-experiences/ Also, in case you want to see how easy it is to add these tools to a MediaWiki extension, see https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMetaTags/pull/25/files Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw - http://www.bn2vs.com Software craftsmanship advocate Evil software architect at Wikimedia Germany ~=[,,_,,]:3 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] My experiences with PHPCS and PHPMD
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I've written some stuff about my experiences with PHPCS and PHPMD in the context of MediaWiki development, which might be of interest to people here. http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2015/02/20/phpcs-and-phpmd-my-experiences/ Also, in case you want to see how easy it is to add these tools to a MediaWiki extension, see https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMetaTags/pull/25/files Good stuff Jeroen. Thanks for sharing your hard learned lessons. I think it would be interesting to develop a basic PHPMD ruleset for use as a starting point for new projects or projects looking to tighten their automated checks. There is of course a lot of room for bikeshedding in something like this and each project should have the freedom to tweak the rules as they see fit. For any of you who haven't seen it yet, there is a bit of documentation on using the unmodified mediawiki-codesniffer rules via Composer on Manual:Developing_libraries [0]. Hashar and Krinkle are also working on a standard for setting up test entry points for various languages typically used in WMF hosted projects that should make moving from project to project a bit easier and let they simplify many of the current Jenkins jobs. I'm excited to more and more people thinking about how we can make testing easier and more automatic in our projects. [0]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Developing_libraries#Code_style_guidelines [1]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/Test_entry_points Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] post project funding
does anyone know if there is a method for applying for post project funding within the wikiverse or if there is a committee that awards a project after it has proven itself useful? with kind regards, dan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
Hi. Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] MediaWiki currently has constraints requiring that user IDs and user names be unique. Why make user e-mail addresses unique? As you note, it's a fairly low bar for users to bypass such a constraint and there are use-cases for allowing multiple accounts to share an e-mail address. Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it shouldn't hold up work on making the login/reset form accept email addresses for the common case. I believe password reset via e-mail address is already implemented. :-) [1] I personally have a bunch of test accounts that probably have the same email, and I'm sure some folks have bots and other things set up similarly. Note that many email providers including Gmail allow email aliases with + and something else after your mailbox name, such as 'johndoe+testing99 at wikimedia.org'; I've used this in the past to have separate accounts on one email for Apple and other providers as well. It's probably difficult to estimate, but I wonder what percentage of users are currently using a mail provider that supports this type of behavior. On the one hand, I thought Gmail/Google Apps was alone in supporting account+someth...@example.com functionality, but on the other hand, nearly everybody seems to be using Gmail/Google Apps these days. I also wonder how many users would be affected by making e-mail addresses unique on a large wiki. That is, how many instances are there of two or more accounts using the same confirmed e-mail address on the German or French or English Wikipedia? We should be able to query this information, which I think would provide useful context and understanding. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
On 20 February 2015 at 08:52, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: I disagree. This is not an easy problem. We know that. The reason there's been so much talk and so little action on this because we insist on repeating all the reasons why this is hard every time this point is raised, and everyone gets put off. Build something that works for some subset of the use cases first, then we can worry about edge cases and scaling. Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
We should consider some edge cases like: * More than two accounts with exactly same email and password. - In this case, which account should be chosen for logged-in? Maybe account selector could be one of the answers. * If there's a 42 accounts with same email. - Should mediawiki try to check password forty two times? It will takes _very_ long time as enough to cause gateway timeout. Which means nobody can log in to that account. - To avoid timing attack completely, should mediawiki calculate hash of all users forty two times as same as above user? 2015-02-20 8:58 GMT+09:00 phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com: Hi all, I'm the one who started that bug-now-task a while back, and for context, it was based directly on user feedback. What MzM says above is right. I was working with a casual (but quite good) editor who said to me well, I'd edit that Wikipedia page, but I don't edit very often and I can never remember what my login is, since my usual login was taken. But if I could enter my email address, it would be a lot easier and I'd be more likely to just do it. Struck by the idea that this was a barrier to editing, I asked around and got similar feedback from other people, for both public and private mediawikis. So I submitted the bug for consideration. I know it's difficult and there's been a lot of discussion on how to technically do it, but I think the underlying need definitely still exists. thanks, Phoebe On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Tony Thomas 01tonytho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Before someone starts with a proposal for the proposed-tech-project 'Allow user login with e-mail address'[1], is there still community consensus for the same ? I personally think its a must-have for MediaWiki, as e-mail address is easy to remember than a complex username. Currently multiple users can sign-up with the same e-mail id - which would possibly be a blocker, and can be fixed. Thanks to MzMcbride, we have an RFC[2] too on the same. [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30085 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Login_via_e-mail_address Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.wordpress.com/ FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in *where there is a wifi, there is a way* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hi Legoktm, Thanks for doing this great work! I tried to follow the instructions at [1], and discovered that GlobalPreferences hasn't been deployed yet, so I don't think it's possible to enable a global user page yet. Please keep us posted when that happens, I'm looking forward to abusing this new feature :D -Adam [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it shouldn't hold up work on making the login/reset form accept email addresses for the common case. [1] I personally have a bunch of test accounts that probably have the same email, and I'm sure some folks have bots and other things set up similarly. Note that many email providers including Gmail allow email aliases with + and something else after your mailbox name, such as 'johndoe+testing99 at wikimedia.org'; I've used this in the past to have separate accounts on one email for Apple and other providers as well. -- brion On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 20 February 2015 at 08:52, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: I disagree. This is not an easy problem. We know that. The reason there's been so much talk and so little action on this because we insist on repeating all the reasons why this is hard every time this point is raised, and everyone gets put off. Build something that works for some subset of the use cases first, then we can worry about edge cases and scaling. Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding
i’m thinking of projects that have already proven useful on the labs tool server or elsewhere that help move the wiki community forward. i may be wrong, but it seems that many developers volunteer their time and create some amazing projects for the wiki domain without being paid. they may not have the skill or time to properly apply for grants or other sources of funding. so i’m wondering if there is a way to turn this around or if something like already exists ... instead of having to write a grant requests and/or seeking other forms of funding, establish a grant or funding committee that looks for projects and developers that have proven helpful and have added value to the community. then award them with funding without them having to ask for it. o dan On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: That depends on what kind of project you have in mind, and I'm not sure what you mean by post-project funding. If you are thinking about continuing or expanding an existing program that has proven useful then there may be funding available. Try https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start to get some ideas. You could also consider applying for funding from Wikimedia thematic organizations. Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.* *—Catherine Munro* On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:44 PM, dan entous dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone know if there is a method for applying for post project funding within the wikiverse or if there is a committee that awards a project after it has proven itself useful? with kind regards, dan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding
In general WMF has a conservative grant policy (with the exception of IEG, grant funding seems to be getting more conservative every year, and some mission-aligned projects can't get funding because they don't fit into the current molds of the grants programs). Spontaneous cash awards for previous work are unlikely. However, if there is an existing project that could use some developer time, it may be possible to get grant funding for future work. Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.* *—Catherine Munro* On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:00 PM, dan entous dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: i’m thinking of projects that have already proven useful on the labs tool server or elsewhere that help move the wiki community forward. i may be wrong, but it seems that many developers volunteer their time and create some amazing projects for the wiki domain without being paid. they may not have the skill or time to properly apply for grants or other sources of funding. so i’m wondering if there is a way to turn this around or if something like already exists ... instead of having to write a grant requests and/or seeking other forms of funding, establish a grant or funding committee that looks for projects and developers that have proven helpful and have added value to the community. then award them with funding without them having to ask for it. o dan On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: That depends on what kind of project you have in mind, and I'm not sure what you mean by post-project funding. If you are thinking about continuing or expanding an existing program that has proven useful then there may be funding available. Try https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start to get some ideas. You could also consider applying for funding from Wikimedia thematic organizations. Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.* *—Catherine Munro* On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:44 PM, dan entous dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone know if there is a method for applying for post project funding within the wikiverse or if there is a committee that awards a project after it has proven itself useful? with kind regards, dan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
.
Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces.
Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Kunal, Erik and All, So great! How will Linked Data be added to, and develop with, these interlingual Global User Pages - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage ? Cheers, Scott http://worlduniversityandschool.org/ http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages (planned for all 7,870 languages) On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hooray! This is so cool. /goes to edit her meta userpage... -- phoebe p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Scott MacLeod http://scottmacleod.com http://worlduniversityandschool.org/ This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this email message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and destroy/delete all copies of the transmittal. Thank you. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding
That depends on what kind of project you have in mind, and I'm not sure what you mean by post-project funding. If you are thinking about continuing or expanding an existing program that has proven useful then there may be funding available. Try https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start to get some ideas. You could also consider applying for funding from Wikimedia thematic organizations. Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.* *—Catherine Munro* On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:44 PM, dan entous dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone know if there is a method for applying for post project funding within the wikiverse or if there is a committee that awards a project after it has proven itself useful? with kind regards, dan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: * More than two accounts with exactly same email and password. - In this case, which account should be chosen for logged-in? Maybe account selector could be one of the answers. * If there's a 42 accounts with same email. - Should mediawiki try to check password forty two times? It will takes _very_ long time as enough to cause gateway timeout. Which means nobody can log in to that account. - To avoid timing attack completely, should mediawiki calculate hash of all users forty two times as same as above user? Minimum viable product assumption: Given that authentication is attempted with an (email, password) pair When more than one account matches email Then perform one data load and hash comparison to mitigate timing attacks and fail authentication attempt A community education campaign could easily be launched to notify users that this invariant will hold for email based authentication and give instructions on how to change the email associated with an account. The target audience for email based authentication (newer users who think of email addresses as durable tokens of their identity) will not be likely to be effected or even aware of the multiple account disambiguation problem. Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I have been at Meta ... I do not see it, I do not understand it .. What should I do to enable this ? Thanks, GerardM This thread is basically a discussion of a proposed MediaWiki feature. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30085 for additional context. On 20 February 2015 at 18:53, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: * More than two accounts with exactly same email and password. - In this case, which account should be chosen for logged-in? Maybe account selector could be one of the answers. * If there's a 42 accounts with same email. - Should mediawiki try to check password forty two times? It will takes _very_ long time as enough to cause gateway timeout. Which means nobody can log in to that account. - To avoid timing attack completely, should mediawiki calculate hash of all users forty two times as same as above user? Minimum viable product assumption: Given that authentication is attempted with an (email, password) pair When more than one account matches email Then perform one data load and hash comparison to mitigate timing attacks and fail authentication attempt A community education campaign could easily be launched to notify users that this invariant will hold for email based authentication and give instructions on how to change the email associated with an account. The target audience for email based authentication (newer users who think of email addresses as durable tokens of their identity) will not be likely to be effected or even aware of the multiple account disambiguation problem. Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
On 20/02/15 17:28, Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it shouldn't hold up work on making the login/reset form accept email addresses for the common case. [1] I personally have a bunch of test accounts that probably have the same email, and I'm sure some folks have bots and other things set up similarly. Note that many email providers including Gmail allow email aliases with + and something else after your mailbox name, such as 'johndoe+testing99 at wikimedia.org'; I've used this in the past to have separate accounts on one email for Apple and other providers as well. -- brion Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Legitimate_uses for a non-comprehensive list of use cases for alternate accounts. Requiring separate emails, or expecting users to know that particular trick, would be problematic for many of these, and may even encourage some users to not use an email address at all. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Build something that works for some subset of the use cases first, then we can worry about edge cases and scaling. Before starting code, is this project have no chance to selection for GSoC 2015? I want to attend the GSoC 2015 with this project if available. 2015-02-21 3:00 GMT+09:00 Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I have been at Meta ... I do not see it, I do not understand it .. What should I do to enable this ? Thanks, GerardM This thread is basically a discussion of a proposed MediaWiki feature. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30085 for additional context. On 20 February 2015 at 18:53, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: * More than two accounts with exactly same email and password. - In this case, which account should be chosen for logged-in? Maybe account selector could be one of the answers. * If there's a 42 accounts with same email. - Should mediawiki try to check password forty two times? It will takes _very_ long time as enough to cause gateway timeout. Which means nobody can log in to that account. - To avoid timing attack completely, should mediawiki calculate hash of all users forty two times as same as above user? Minimum viable product assumption: Given that authentication is attempted with an (email, password) pair When more than one account matches email Then perform one data load and hash comparison to mitigate timing attacks and fail authentication attempt A community education campaign could easily be launched to notify users that this invariant will hold for email based authentication and give instructions on how to change the email associated with an account. The target audience for email based authentication (newer users who think of email addresses as durable tokens of their identity) will not be likely to be effected or even aware of the multiple account disambiguation problem. Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
Hoi, I have been at Meta ... I do not see it, I do not understand it .. What should I do to enable this ? Thanks, GerardM On 20 February 2015 at 18:53, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, devunt dev...@gmail.com wrote: We should consider some edge cases like: * More than two accounts with exactly same email and password. - In this case, which account should be chosen for logged-in? Maybe account selector could be one of the answers. * If there's a 42 accounts with same email. - Should mediawiki try to check password forty two times? It will takes _very_ long time as enough to cause gateway timeout. Which means nobody can log in to that account. - To avoid timing attack completely, should mediawiki calculate hash of all users forty two times as same as above user? Minimum viable product assumption: Given that authentication is attempted with an (email, password) pair When more than one account matches email Then perform one data load and hash comparison to mitigate timing attacks and fail authentication attempt A community education campaign could easily be launched to notify users that this invariant will hold for email based authentication and give instructions on how to change the email associated with an account. The target audience for email based authentication (newer users who think of email addresses as durable tokens of their identity) will not be likely to be effected or even aware of the multiple account disambiguation problem. Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback
Another alternative is to explicitly support multiple usernames under an umbrella backend account... (Anybody remember AOL screen names? BLAST FROM THE PAST) I don't know whether that's something to encourage, but it would simplify those cases. -- brion On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/15 17:28, Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it shouldn't hold up work on making the login/reset form accept email addresses for the common case. [1] I personally have a bunch of test accounts that probably have the same email, and I'm sure some folks have bots and other things set up similarly. Note that many email providers including Gmail allow email aliases with + and something else after your mailbox name, such as 'johndoe+testing99 at wikimedia.org'; I've used this in the past to have separate accounts on one email for Apple and other providers as well. -- brion Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry# Legitimate_uses for a non-comprehensive list of use cases for alternate accounts. Requiring separate emails, or expecting users to know that particular trick, would be problematic for many of these, and may even encourage some users to not use an email address at all. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page. The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Regards,
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Another alternative is to explicitly support multiple usernames under an umbrella backend account... (Anybody remember AOL screen names? BLAST FROM THE PAST) Making umbrella backend account could be one of the answers. But implementation of umbrella backend account requires massive user/authentication code updates, table schema changes and massive auto account merges(which accounts have same emails) than other ways. Anyway I think umbrella idea is the most nice one. 2015-02-21 3:51 GMT+09:00 Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org: Another alternative is to explicitly support multiple usernames under an umbrella backend account... (Anybody remember AOL screen names? BLAST FROM THE PAST) I don't know whether that's something to encourage, but it would simplify those cases. -- brion On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/15 17:28, Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it shouldn't hold up work on making the login/reset form accept email addresses for the common case. [1] I personally have a bunch of test accounts that probably have the same email, and I'm sure some folks have bots and other things set up similarly. Note that many email providers including Gmail allow email aliases with + and something else after your mailbox name, such as 'johndoe+testing99 at wikimedia.org'; I've used this in the past to have separate accounts on one email for Apple and other providers as well. -- brion Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry# Legitimate_uses for a non-comprehensive list of use cases for alternate accounts. Requiring separate emails, or expecting users to know that particular trick, would be problematic for many of these, and may even encourage some users to not use an email address at all. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
This is awesome! When do we get a global language pref? ;) On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/? projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hooray! This is so cool. /goes to edit her meta userpage... -- phoebe p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
