Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
Brion Vibber wrote: However, we can't just use a User-Agent check in PHP for this, since 90-something percent of the time the PHP scripts are not being executed: the Squid caches respond to most web requests directly. So what would be required would be some filtering in the caches to check for particular User-Agents or other settings and send them the redirect directly, or send them through to PHP for possible redirection. (Assuming there's no problem with downstream caching, which I think should usually be ok the way we have things marked -- as long as the redirect responses are marked as private-cache or uncacheable.) A JavaScript hack was quicker to put in place than the cache-level logic, but it was only ever meant as a stopgap. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) I was precisely thinking on this the other day. The javascript is just doing a regex on the user agent, and squid is perfectly capable of doing that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
yup, its seem fairly doable and the issue has been raised to our ops team. we're waiting to hear back about what's necessary in order to make it work. --tomasz On Aug 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Platonides wrote: Brion Vibber wrote: However, we can't just use a User-Agent check in PHP for this, since 90-something percent of the time the PHP scripts are not being executed: the Squid caches respond to most web requests directly. So what would be required would be some filtering in the caches to check for particular User-Agents or other settings and send them the redirect directly, or send them through to PHP for possible redirection. (Assuming there's no problem with downstream caching, which I think should usually be ok the way we have things marked -- as long as the redirect responses are marked as private-cache or uncacheable.) A JavaScript hack was quicker to put in place than the cache-level logic, but it was only ever meant as a stopgap. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) I was precisely thinking on this the other day. The javascript is just doing a regex on the user agent, and squid is perfectly capable of doing that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au writes: I think you guys are experiencing the java-script load issues Why is the mobile redirect left to Javascript? Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if the redirect happened before any PHP was loaded? Wouldn't it be better for those older phones with little memory if the redirect happened in PHP? Why is JS even involved in this? http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMobile/MobileRedirect.js?view=markup Mark. -- http://hexmode.com/ Embrace Ignorance. Just don't get too attached. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
On 8/17/10 2:33 PM, David Gerard wrote: ...Wikipedia deliberately broke itself so therefore it's Wikipedia's stupidity. (And this is not an unreasonable description of how it happened.) I'm not sure insulting the people who worked on Vector is the best way to motivated them to fix things. At the last company I worked for (which owns a couple of top 100 websites and has a staff of thousands), they didn't even care about their sites working right on iPhones. Considering the number of cell phones that Vector does work on, and the fact that it was implemented by a small handful of developers, I think they should be commended rather than insulted. But that's just me. (FYI, I had no involvement in Vector development.) A suggestion: post to the techblog with precisely what you need from what classes of users. This can then be spread around the bogosphere and recruit all the help with browser issues you could want. This is a useful suggestion and I'll see if it's doable. Ryan Kaldari ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
On 18 August 2010 19:57, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm not sure insulting the people who worked on Vector is the best way to motivated them to fix things. At the last company I worked for (which owns a couple of top 100 websites and has a staff of thousands), they didn't even care about their sites working right on iPhones. Considering the number of cell phones that Vector does work on, and the fact that it was implemented by a small handful of developers, I think they should be commended rather than insulted. But that's just me. (FYI, I had no involvement in Vector development.) It worked, then it broke, and Wikimedia didn't check beforehand and was slow to act on it. That's the sequence of events as it actually occurred. That doesn't look good to the end users, no matter how little the people who made the change like it. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:29 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: that's it. :) the mobile site works. but i am not going to bother using it. *effort*. it doesn't show up in google results and i have epic cba. Not sure what the bit about Google results means ... I think they mean that when they Google something, it gives them a link to the article on en.wikipedia.org, not the mobile site. You should probably tell them not to worry and that they'll automatically be redirected to the article on the mobile version (m.en.wikipedia.org). -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
A bug has been set up for the IEMobile issue: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24862 Tomasz was unable to reproduce the bug using the same browser version, but different phone. Perhaps K. Peachey is right and it depends on how much memory the phone is allocating to the browser. Ryan Kaldari On 8/18/10 12:29 PM, David Gerard wrote: I got the browser string! Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile 6.0) Vodafone/1.0/HTC_Touch_Pro2/1.14.161.6 (50207) The user adds: that's it. :) the mobile site works. but i am not going to bother using it. *effort*. it doesn't show up in google results and i have epic cba. Not sure what the bit about Google results means ... - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
On 19 August 2010 02:19, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Tomasz was unable to reproduce the bug using the same browser version, but different phone. Perhaps K. Peachey is right and it depends on how much memory the phone is allocating to the browser. That appears to have been the problem with older BlackBerrys, i.e. the browser just ran out of heap. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
Vector is still a miserable failure for mobile phone users. Is there any timescale for this being fixed? At the very least, graceful degradation put into place? Latest bug report (from a friend in a Facebook conversation): mazing. conservapedia still works on my mobile, wikipedia doesn't. htc touch pro 2, windows mobile 6.1 pro, using internet explorer (because opera is a steaming pile of shit). not sure what version of IE... yeah, wikipedia used to work marvelously, i've completely stopped using it since the update - i only... ever used it to look things up in the pub anyways, anywhere else i'd need better cites :P Please. Save our readers from having to use Conservapedia instead, just because Monobook works and Vector doesn't! - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
Aren't most mobile browsers supposed to be redirected to mobile.wikipedia.org anyway? BTW, we are slowly fixing Vector issues for obscure browsers. For example, I just recently fixed Vector for the PS3's browser. To fix these issues we need 2 things: A complete description of the environment and display behavior (preferably with a screenshot or even a photo of your cell phone screen), and a way to test it. For some mobile phones we can use emulators, but for others we have no easy way to test Vector on them. Ryan Kaldari On 8/17/10 1:20 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Vector is still a miserable failure for mobile phone users. Is there any timescale for this being fixed? At the very least, graceful degradation put into place? Latest bug report (from a friend in a Facebook conversation): mazing. conservapedia still works on my mobile, wikipedia doesn't. htc touch pro 2, windows mobile 6.1 pro, using internet explorer (because opera is a steaming pile of shit). not sure what version of IE... yeah, wikipedia used to work marvelously, i've completely stopped using it since the update - i only... ever used it to look things up in the pub anyways, anywhere else i'd need better cites :P Please. Save our readers from having to use Conservapedia instead, just because Monobook works and Vector doesn't! Just switch to Discover :-) http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/08/17/discover-by-cooliris-is-the-slickest-wikipedia-skin-for-ipad/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?
On 17 August 2010 21:39, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: BTW, we are slowly fixing Vector issues for obscure browsers. For example, I just recently fixed Vector for the PS3's browser. To fix these issues we need 2 things: A complete description of the environment and display behavior (preferably with a screenshot or even a photo of your cell phone screen), and a way to test it. For some mobile phones we can use emulators, but for others we have no easy way to test Vector on them. Doubt I can draft this user into such testing - as far as they're concerned, Wikipedia deliberately broke itself so therefore it's Wikipedia's stupidity. (And this is not an unreasonable description of how it happened.) A suggestion: post to the techblog with precisely what you need from what classes of users. This can then be spread around the bogosphere and recruit all the help with browser issues you could want. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
