Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
I think it's enough to use the runic part of the font. * * Farewell, *Glanthor (= Ákos Szabó :)* On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, I blogged about Junaid and using it for the Runic script. [1] Please comment.. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/05/font-subsets-ii.html On 2 January 2012 06:55, Glanthor glant...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! It would be awesome if we could support some historical writing systems with web fonts, for example runes. There is a great free (GPL) font for this: junicode (http://junicode.sourceforge.net/). It is possible to use it in the future? * * Farewell, *Glanthor (Ákos Szabó)* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Hoi, I blogged about Junaid and using it for the Runic script. [1] Please comment.. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/05/font-subsets-ii.html On 2 January 2012 06:55, Glanthor glant...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! It would be awesome if we could support some historical writing systems with web fonts, for example runes. There is a great free (GPL) font for this: junicode (http://junicode.sourceforge.net/). It is possible to use it in the future? * * Farewell, *Glanthor (Ákos Szabó)* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Also sprach Glanthor: It would be awesome if we could support some historical writing systems with web fonts, for example runes. There is a great free (GPL) font for this: junicode (http://junicode.sourceforge.net/). It is possible to use it in the future? It's certainly technically possible. Here's a small demo page: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2012/runic/ At first glance, it seems like the use of SVG to depict runes on pages like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic can be replaced by using Junicode as a webfont. Cheers, -hkon Håkon Wium Lie CTO °þe®ª howc...@opera.com http://people.opera.com/howcome ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Glanthor glant...@gmail.com writes: It would be awesome if we could support some historical writing systems with web fonts, for example runes. There is a great free (GPL) font for this: junicode (http://junicode.sourceforge.net/). It is possible to use it in the future? Sounds like an interesting idea that might broaden the appeal. I especially like the idea of including some Tolkien[1][2] or Klingon[3] scripts. Now, if only we had some good free fonts... Mark. [1] http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/tengwar.html [2] http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/cirth.html [3] http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Hi! It would be awesome if we could support some historical writing systems with web fonts, for example runes. There is a great free (GPL) font for this: junicode (http://junicode.sourceforge.net/). It is possible to use it in the future? * * Farewell, *Glanthor (Ákos Szabó)* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:38, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/11 22:33, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: Language support teams :- In order to force them, if you don't test this it may break horribly for you when deployed seems way more convincing than no new goodies for you. We tried telling people to test saying the same thing, may be should try telling them more often. Development must continue even if ignored (do not confuse with negative feedback), but blind coding without feedback is a dangerous zone. +1 PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list, but we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert of something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore us, Then they firefight and then we criticize more post the entire thing, you would have been better had you to listened us. This has happened 3rd time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at WikiConference India IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously. It's not that Indian sites are treated worse, see the recent (similar) issues in commons with EXIF. Sorry I didn't quite get you, not sure if you got what i meant as well. I never said / meant / implied Indian sites are treated worse, what I tried to convey was why the criticism on India list is high. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Hi , The WebFonts is a great initiative for the indic wikipedia readers. I have tested this extension for the Bengali wikipedia. I have checked form some of the browsers (Firefox 7 8 from windows 7 and XP, Chrome 15.0 -windows 7 and XP, Firefox 7 form Uubntu 11.10) in different machines and in every case i had to face the same problem, that the page loads twice and takes an extra time for each of the pages. At the very first time the page loads with the system default font and then the whole page became empty and after that the browser shows the content with the selected web font. and the WebFonts did not work with the Android (2.3.6) default browser and in the Opera Mobile browser for android. thanks Nasir Khan Saikat Wikimedia Bangladesh On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:38, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/11 22:33, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: Language support teams :- In order to force them, if you don't test this it may break horribly for you when deployed seems way more convincing than no new goodies for you. We tried telling people to test saying the same thing, may be should try telling them more often. Development must continue even if ignored (do not confuse with negative feedback), but blind coding without feedback is a dangerous zone. +1 PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list, but we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert of something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore us, Then they firefight and then we criticize more post the entire thing, you would have been better had you to listened us. This has happened 3rd time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at WikiConference India IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously. It's not that Indian sites are treated worse, see the recent (similar) issues in commons with EXIF. Sorry I didn't quite get you, not sure if you got what i meant as well. I never said / meant / implied Indian sites are treated worse, what I tried to convey was why the criticism on India list is high. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- *Nasir Khan Saikat http://profiles.google.com/nasir8891* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Hi Nasir, Thanks for the feedback! Please report these issues in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org so we can track them. See inline comments for details. I also cleaned up the cc list. Op 15 dec. 2011 om 19:33 heeft Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: The WebFonts is a great initiative for the indic wikipedia readers. I have tested this extension for the Bengali wikipedia. I have checked form some of the browsers (Firefox 7 8 from windows 7 and XP, Chrome 15.0 -windows 7 and XP, Firefox 7 form Uubntu 11.10) in different machines and in every case i had to face the same problem, that the page loads twice and takes an extra time for each of the pages. This observation is called FOUT, short for flash of unformatted text. It should be as short as possible, but it is usually there for a tenth of a second. Read more about it on http://paulirish.com/2009/fighting-the-font-face-fout/ At the very first time the page loads with the system default font and then the whole page became empty and after that the browser shows the content with the selected web font. and the WebFonts did not work with the Android (2.3.6) default browser and in the Opera Mobile browser for android. This is valuable information. Please create two issue reports and if you can, please also report those issues with the android and opera mobile projects so they can get addressed upstream. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
Dear all, First up, some kudos for i18n team for taking up this project to help Indic communities. I also guess this is probably one of the largest webfonts deployment till date. We also appreciate the team working overtime last couple of days for making a quick progress to solve the open issues. We look forward to better webfonts soon and am eager to get a quality version of it deployed on Tamil Wikiprojects sooner. Having said that, we(critics mentioned in above mail) were indeed unhappy with the enmasse roll out without sufficient testing to a large user base. I agree that some issues like same origin restriction bug may miss any amount of testing if its not done on wmf cluster, but certain others could have been found with more community involvement. I like the concept of dark launch and wish they come sooner and take priority for any and all future deployments. This will solve the major concern of affecting user experience of millions of readers while we try to make the software better. I also look forward to the feedback mechanism update too! Language support teams :- I know that there was very little support from the community, (not many,baring us the critics who gave feedback). I have been hearing the word Language support teams for few months now. If people are not interested to join them, they must be forced to join them(by way of not supporting them/ deploying any component for the language) so as to provide better support. If getting contacts is the issue, Shiju should be able to link people. Deploying things on live which are not certified by language users is a dangerous thing. A lot of us are willing to help to get better support for our language and we hope there shall be more communication. On my part, I will try spending few hours on #mediawiki-i18n , please feel free to bug me to test anything. Regards, Srikanth L PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list, but we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert of something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore us, Then they firefight and then we criticize more post the entire thing, you would have been better had you to listened us. This has happened 3rd time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at WikiConference India IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment
On 14/12/11 22:33, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: Language support teams :- I know that there was very little support from the community, (not many,baring us the critics who gave feedback). I have been hearing the word Language support teams for few months now. If people are not interested to join them, they must be forced to join them(by way of not supporting them/ deploying any component for the language) so as to provide better support. In order to force them, if you don't test this it may break horribly for you when deployed seems way more convincing than no new goodies for you. Development must continue even if ignored (do not confuse with negative feedback), but blind coding without feedback is a dangerous zone. PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list, but we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert of something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore us, Then they firefight and then we criticize more post the entire thing, you would have been better had you to listened us. This has happened 3rd time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at WikiConference India IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously. It's not that Indian sites are treated worse, see the recent (similar) issues in commons with EXIF. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
