Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support (was: MediaWiki security release 1.16.4)
*For reading*, we aim to support any browser with 0.1%[1] use or more. This has both culled things out, like IE 5.5, and surfaced things like NetFront (Sony Playstation Browser). *For security*, if it's possible to protect the site or our users, and we have money in the bank, we should be doing what it takes to protect them. *For everything else*, we support various browsers based on a variety of factors: * Whether the browser can ever support the feature at all * Level of difficulty getting the feature to work in the browser * Level of resources dedicated to the project We normally knock out the most commonly-used and easy-to-get-working browsers first, and then sort out details on other browsers in order of use. There's no base percentage here, just hopes and dreams. - Trevor [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm On Apr 14, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > On 14-04-11 10:02 Daniel Kinzler wrote: > > >> Wow, seriously? IE6 should be taken out the back and shot... > > You're in luck. These days, even Microsoft agrees with you: > > http://www.ie6countdown.com/ > > So when will we be able to drop IE6 support in MediaWiki completely? What > metrics/thresholds can we use? > > I would suggest to set a percentage of worldwide usage as reported by some > "trusted" statistics reported, or possibly a percentage of Wikimedia > pageviews. 3% or 4%? > > Any thoughts? > > Siebrand > > > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support (was: MediaWiki security release 1.16.4)
2011/4/14 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > The people with IE6 have disproportionally problems with reading Wikipedia > in their mother tongue and IE6 can be found particularly in the "global > south". Also CommScore numbers are unlikely to see this potential. > > The question is not should we support IE6, it is just that I wonder about > what our numbers show. According to http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm , IE6 is 3.65% of our traffic. There is no per-country breakdown of browsers that I know of, though, maybe Erik Z could be talked into making one. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support (was: MediaWiki security release 1.16.4)
Hoi, The people with IE6 have disproportionally problems with reading Wikipedia in their mother tongue and IE6 can be found particularly in the "global south". Also CommScore numbers are unlikely to see this potential. The question is not should we support IE6, it is just that I wonder about what our numbers show. Thanks, GerardM On 14 April 2011 11:14, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2011/4/14 Siebrand Mazeland : > > So when will we be able to drop IE6 support in MediaWiki completely? What > > metrics/thresholds can we use? > > > IMO there's a difference between no longer supporting IE6 and no > longer protecting IE6 users from XSS attacks. > > > I would suggest to set a percentage of worldwide usage as reported by > some > > "trusted" statistics reported, or possibly a percentage of Wikimedia > > pageviews. 3% or 4%? > > > At least for JavaScript feature development, our unofficial cutoff for > "we're not gonna spend any time on this browser, if it works, great, > if it doesn't, tough luck" is 0.5%. However, that's just for JS > enhancements; it's my opinion that at least reading Wikipedia should > be possible (i.e. not severely broken) in almost every browser. > > Roan Kattouw (Catrope) > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support
On 14.04.2011 11:46, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi, >>> You're in luck. These days, even Microsoft agrees with you: >>> >>> http://www.ie6countdown.com/ >> >> Aw man, someone please spoof this website and replace "Internet Explorer 6" >> with just "Internet Explorer", and make the download link point to >> firefox. >> >> msiecountdown.com is still free... > > On a related note: http://theie9countdown.com > hahaha thank you! -- daniel ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support
Hi, Le jeudi 14 avril 2011 11:21:57, Daniel Kinzler a écrit : > On 14.04.2011 11:10, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > > On 14-04-11 10:02 Daniel Kinzler wrote: > >> Wow, seriously? IE6 should be taken out the back and shot... > > > > You're in luck. These days, even Microsoft agrees with you: > > > > http://www.ie6countdown.com/ > > Aw man, someone please spoof this website and replace "Internet Explorer 6" > with just "Internet Explorer", and make the download link point to > firefox. > > msiecountdown.com is still free... On a related note: http://theie9countdown.com -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support
On 14.04.2011 11:10, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > On 14-04-11 10:02 Daniel Kinzler wrote: > >> Wow, seriously? IE6 should be taken out the back and shot... > > You're in luck. These days, even Microsoft agrees with you: > > http://www.ie6countdown.com/ Aw man, someone please spoof this website and replace "Internet Explorer 6" with just "Internet Explorer", and make the download link point to firefox. msiecountdown.com is still free... -- daniel ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support (was: MediaWiki security release 1.16.4)
2011/4/14 Siebrand Mazeland : > So when will we be able to drop IE6 support in MediaWiki completely? What > metrics/thresholds can we use? > IMO there's a difference between no longer supporting IE6 and no longer protecting IE6 users from XSS attacks. > I would suggest to set a percentage of worldwide usage as reported by some > "trusted" statistics reported, or possibly a percentage of Wikimedia > pageviews. 3% or 4%? > At least for JavaScript feature development, our unofficial cutoff for "we're not gonna spend any time on this browser, if it works, great, if it doesn't, tough luck" is 0.5%. However, that's just for JS enhancements; it's my opinion that at least reading Wikipedia should be possible (i.e. not severely broken) in almost every browser. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping IE6 support (was: MediaWiki security release 1.16.4)
On 14-04-11 10:02 Daniel Kinzler wrote: >Wow, seriously? IE6 should be taken out the back and shot... You're in luck. These days, even Microsoft agrees with you: http://www.ie6countdown.com/ So when will we be able to drop IE6 support in MediaWiki completely? What metrics/thresholds can we use? I would suggest to set a percentage of worldwide usage as reported by some "trusted" statistics reported, or possibly a percentage of Wikimedia pageviews. 3% or 4%? Any thoughts? Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
