Re: Wine license change
A few brief comments: * LGPL may well be legal gibberish. Be sure to consult non-FSF lawyers as well as talking to the FSF. This is problematic because a gibberish license will discourage use. I know that I would be cautious linking source with a value of 100M against something LGPL, if I was worried about the risk that a judge might decide that by so doing I'd created a derived work, and thus had gnuified my entire source. * Creating an LGPL tree will inevitably create public forks, not prevent them. There are many private forks already. These are necessary, because every corporate entity modifying Wine needs to have control over their own destiny. So far, there has been only one public Wine tree, precisely because everyone could do whatever they wanted with it. Creating an encumbered tree would end this state of affairs. Keeping track of the Wine source entirely unencumbered by the Gnu virus is too important to imagine that no one would do it. Whether this is good or bad depends on your point of view on forks. * I don't understand the impetus for change. Is it because some companies are (finally, after many years of encouragement) starting to make use of their right to keep some of their work proprietary? What, exactly, is wrong with proprietary versions anyway? Didn't this all get hashed out years ago when the license was picked in the first place? Allowing proprietary enhacements is the single most important aspect to encouraging use of Wine technology. That's true even if the enhancements are entirely nontechnical, e.g. purely sales and marketing. I encourage anyone who thinks marketing an OS is easy to start selling their own version of Wine under any license and at any price point they choose. Competition is good. Needless to say, assuming that anyone would listen to me anymore, I would oppose the creation of an LGPL fork. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wine developer sponsorship available
GFU, a german IT consultancy, is generously offering to sponsor a Wine developer. Please contact Hagen Cyrus, [EMAIL PROTECTED], directly if you are interested. See the message included below. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:05 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: mail von Wine... [...] GFU (see http://www.gfu.net ) is looking for software developers, who can make a significant contribution to the wine-project (see. http://www.winehq.com ). Wine is an implementation of Windows under Unix preferably Linux. It is one of the best software projects currently in the World. GFU has a great interest, that the project "Wine" succeeds faster. GFU will sponsor 1 developer for his weekly contibutions. GFU will pay about 300-400 US-$ per month for about 3 years. After this period GFU offers a green card if it is desired. Can you help us? The procedure is very simple. I look at the weekly report of wine, where the activities are listed. The persons we sponsor must be listed there. Sometimes we ask Mr. Meissner about the quality of their contributions. As long as it is sufficient, we continue our payments. So please make an appropriate announcement in winehq. Sincerely yours, Hagen Cyrus Hagen, This sounds great. How do you wish to go forward, i.e. how do you wish to identify developers you'd like to work with? Would it make sense to just make an announcement on wine-devel and select from the applications you receive? I'd be glad to help in any way I can. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GFU (see http://www.gfu.net) wants to sponsor devolopers, who can make significant developments for the wine project. This offer is especially interesting for people in USSR and other contries with low salary rates.
Re: Beta test new design for winehq.com
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Uwe Bonnes wrote: Jeremy Newman writes: AFAIK, the logo is the tipped wine glass. I like the logo as it's simple and effective. But it is not a Wine glass at all... Indeed, you are right: a proper red wine glass is wide and short. And hey, while we're on the subject, how about an argument about capitalization? I'm in the "Wine" camp, down to the "WINE" camp :-) doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Andreas Mohr wrote: OK, let's stop bitchin' and flamin' now and let's get back to work ;-) So what to do ? For one, I'd prefer to keep the this discussion on the web-admin list, so that Wine development doesn't get crowded out by administrivia. (I just added you Andreas, and anyone else interested should read the CVS commit info on winehq.com/dev.html and mail me privately.) One of the problems is that we're inside Corel's firewall. This is bad from everyone's point of view (they are exposed to our incompetence / malfeasance, we are exposed to their firewall breakage, etc.) and it's being fixed. Once that's done it should be possible to be much more open. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bug tracking system
Codeweavers has been kind enough to set up a new bug tracking system for Wine using Bugzilla. This will replace the old system. You can see a preview at http://wine.codeweavers.com/bugzilla, which is supposed to be fully live and the official bug database by the end of this week. The old system is currently only accesible at http://ursula.gmcl.com/Bugs/, and has 500+ existing reports. I can't guarantee that this system will remain accesible beyond the end of the week. It might be worthwhile trying to make sure that important reports are copied into the new system before they are lost / made inaccessible. A big thank you to Codeweavers for setting up and maintaining this new system. Good bug tracking is a crucial part of making Wine great, and this system promises to be a significant improvement over what it's replacing. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine-cfg 0.3b available
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Martin Pilka wrote: wine-configuration wizard 0.3beta is now available at http://wine.codeweavers.com/winecfg.shtml i believe it could be a part of wine CVS tree, but it's up to you guys to decide if it is good enough. please have a look on it and send me some feedback. Even if Alexandre doesn't want it as part of Wine, it could be a separately managed module in CVS. Let me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] know if you want to go this way. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Would it be possible...
Yeah, this sounds like the sort of thing there should be a CVS module for. Contact me / [EMAIL PROTECTED] to help get it set up. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, David Howells wrote: Would it be possible for me to store a copy of my kernel module code on winehq? Or should I find somewhere else (eg: sourceforge)? Cheers, David Howells
Mailing list cutover
Folks, We're going to try to cut over the mailing lists from the old server to the new server today. Hopefully, we will be able to not lose subscription info etc. The current plan is to change over to using majordomo at the same time -- I'll provide some details once it's done. If we end up breaking everything, [EMAIL PROTECTED] won't work either. Here are some other ways to contact me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 780 993 0987 (cell) Langley Rock is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sources of information
Don't forget Windows 95 System Programming Secrets: it also has a few tidbits. Now out of print, unfortunately. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, James Sutherland wrote: Alternatively, there's the Win2k source code, which could be of interest if you can get your hands on it :-) Windows source code isn't that hard to get -- there are many licensees, including various universities. It's never been clear to me precisely what you'd use it for, but I'd be glad to be enlightened. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fonts (fwd)
HanSon, I believe that Korean fonts are supported under both X and Windows. I'm not sure if all the pieces are in place in Wine so that things will just work, perhaps someone else can comment? doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:49:34 -0400 From: Hanson Tieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fonts Does WINE support Korean fonts? Or more precisely, does X support Korean fonts to be displayed from a WINE window? HanSon Tieu Product Specialist AIT Northrop Grumman-Canada, Ltd. 777 Walker's Line Burlington, Ontario (905)333-6075 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printing Summit (fwd)
This looks relevant to Wine as well. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:23:19 -0700 From: David Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Printing Summit (fwd) Some people at VA Linux are organising a "printing summit", and they've asked if XFree86 would like to be prepresented there. If anyone here is interested in representing XFree86, please let me know soon. The details are included below. David -- Currently we have lined up from the development side CUPS, LPRng, GPR, libppd, printing HOWTOs, GNOME, KDE, IBM and the efforts within VA Linux. On the manufacturing side we have HP, Okidata, AGFA, set to come, as well as many of the GNU/Linux distribution vendors. As you can tell this is a pretty substantial representation of all of the efforts within the Linux printing environment. The dates are July 27th and 28th, the location is the Sheraton hotel in Sunnyvale California. The agenda is somewhat open by design, and as such we suggest the following schedule: - July 27th Opening comments - Introductions from each effort *Provide a 10-15 presentation of efforts, vision, and issues surrounding each of your efforts. - BoF After all efforts are outlined, a large portion of the agenda is open to allow the group to address those issues that they perceive as being the most important. The rest of the summit will consist mainly of BoF sessions to allow people to tackle specific issues in smaller, more focused groups. To help facilitate this conversation I have created a Printing Summit mailing list at: http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/printing-summit You are encouraged to subscribe, either by using the form accessible at the above URL, or by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "subscribe" in the subject or body of the message. It is a discussion list where some fine tuning of the agenda and other logistical information will be discussed , and all are encouraged to participate. I know this seems to be a fairly open agenda but we feel it is imperative that the meeting be a working group with the only hidden agenda to be a sharing of visions, ideas, and issues. We can always hope that there will be a great epiphany and a single future vision of Linux/*nix printing can be realized, but realistically we feel that building the relationships and communication channels among the various groups will be a huge step in the right direction. More information on the organization and goals of this summit will be available on the mailing list. Latecomers who may wish to catch up on the list discussion may wish to visit the above URL for a pointer to the archives.
Re: Wine jobs
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Jeremy White wrote: Or, if you're interested in hiring, feel free to drop me a line. I'll try to put you in touch with people who might be appropriate. Doug, would it be possible to formalize this process on winehq, perhaps with a mailing list or an official place for such requests? A couple of people have suggested this. However, employment ads are particularly volatile pieces of information, and they are useless if stale, so you have to make sure that they are up to date. The big jobs sites do this, along with providing good search capabilities. Given the current size of the industry, it's probably fine for job ads to just get posted to wine-devel. If the noise gets too high, that will have to change, but this isn't a danger just yet. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wine jobs
If anyone is potentially interested in Wine-related jobs, please let me know. Please specify your location, and, if relocation is an option, any restrictions on location. Or, if you're interested in hiring, feel free to drop me a line. I'll try to put you in touch with people who might be appropriate. There are also wonderful volunteer positions available: * Run the Wine bug database A valuable, important job! And because it's volunteer, you have complete freedom as to how you do it. * Graphic redesign for WineHQ Make pretty stuff which will be seen by hundreds of thousands of people. High profile. * Run the party fund Requires an ongoing committment to partying. If anyone is interested in taking one of these on, let me know. Thank you! doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
unsupported functions (fwd)
As forwarded. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:49:15 -0500 From: Matthew Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unsupported functions are these functions on a to-do list somewhere? they are the remaining functions missing to compleat the port of our product to linux. StartDocPrinter StartPagePrinter EndDocPrinter EndPagePrinter Netbios itoa ListView_SetColumn ListView_SetTextColor ListView_SetTextBkColor ListView_SetExtendedListViewStyleEx ListView_GetColumn ListView_GetExtendedListViewStyle ListView_DeleteColumn OleAutoGetPropOne OleAutoReleaseRoute HtmlHelp
Re: CVS Errors
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Jason Mawdsley wrote: Hi- We seem to be getting these errors again. cvs server: failed to create lock directory in repository `/home/wine/wine/dlls/kernel': Permission denied Should be fixed, at least temporarily. If it happens again, let me know, and I'll try and figure out what's going on. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LOCAL_GetBlock not enough space in GDI local heap
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Ove Kaaven wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Jacques Gelinas wrote: We came to the following conclusion (and we are no windows expert). Anyone may comment ? It is a limitation in wine. Its GDI library is still using a lot of 16 bits object. It is a limitation in win32. Is has to use 16 bits heap objects (then why our app is working correctly in windows and windows NT) Something odd is happening somewhere and confuse wine, so the error above does not mean much. Where is the "memory/object/resource leak in Wine" option? See http://www.winehq.com/patches970914/ for one way of trying to find such a leak. The required patch probably won't apply without modification. There might also be a more recent or better way to find such a leak. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings and invitation (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:46:27 -0600 From: "[iso-8859-1] Rafael de Jesús Fernández M." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Greetings and invitation To everyone involved in the WINE project, Congratulations. Your effort will allow people to switch to Open Source projects as GNU/Linux without sacrificing their inherited bond to Win32 applications. I would like to invite a member of the WINE project to a conference we're putting up for November 1-4, 2000 in San Luis Potosí, México. We will have a special interest in Open Source lecturers, since we are orienting the conference to multi-platform development and management. Please, let me know if you're interested so we can send you proper information and documentation. Regards, Rafael Fernández.
WineHQ to be Hosted by Corel
For Immediate Release WineHQ to be Hosted by Corel May 30, 2000 WineHQ, www.winehq.com, a Web site which provides information about using and developing Wine technology, today announced Corel Corporation (NASDAQ: CORL, TSE: COR) will become its new host. Wine is an open source project aimed at creating an environment that will allow Windows® applications to run directly on non-Windows operating systems, including Linux®. The Wine project, initiated by Bob Amstadt in 1993 and maintained by Alexander Julliard since 1994, has grown to over 540,000 lines of code written by more than 300 developers worldwide. "WineHQ is more than just a Web site. It's the center of a community. I wanted to work with people who were already a part of that community and who understand the code," said Douglas Ridgway, founder and maintainer of WineHQ. "WineHQ needs to go further to help Wine achieve its full potential. I investigated a number of options and decided on Corel, not only for its higher bandwidth and greater resources, but more importantly because of its commitment to WINE." "Corel has been a major contributor to Wine development, and I'm happy to see them taking on this role. With their help, we will be able to take WineHQ to the next level," said Alexandre Julliard, leader of the Wine project. "Corel has been working with the Wine community since late 1998. We are thrilled to help the Wine community by providing servers and developers to WineHQ," said Derek J. Burney, executive vice president of engineering and chief technology officer at Corel Corporation. "The Wine technology has made a huge contribution to Corel's venture into the Linux market and we will continue to contribute to it. However, we feel it is important that all decisions and direction remain in the hands of the Wine community. Currently, an independent board is being established, consisting of Wine community members and chaired by Douglas Ridgway, to ensure community management of the site remains." Corel has already gone to great lengths to demonstrate its support for the open source community. Earlier this year, it established an open source development community Web site at opensource.corel.com. The site is a central location where members of the development community can access code. It also serves as a discussion forum through the use of development mailing lists and informs visitors about Corel's open source projects. -30- Corel Corporation Corel Corporation is an internationally recognized developer of award-winning business productivity, graphics and operating system solutions on the Windows®, Linux®, UNIX®, Macintosh® and Java platforms. Corel also develops market-leading, Web-based solutions including applications, contents, e- commerce and online services. For access to these services and more information go to www.corel.com or www.corelcity.com. Corel is headquartered in Ottawa, Canada. Corel's common stock trades on the NASDAQ Stock Market under the symbol CORL and on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol COR. This press release contains statements that are forward looking as that term is defined by the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results will differ due to factors such as shifts in customer demand, product shipment schedules, product mix, competitive products and pricing, technological shifts and other variables. Readers are referred to Corel's most recent reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Corel and the Go further logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Corel Corporation or Corel Corporation Limited. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. All other products, fonts, company names and logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. Corel Press Contacts: Janet Chen 613-728-0826 ext.1285 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SourceForge
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: I am glad to see that Corel will host winehq from now on. Not knowing this, and wanting to secure the project name of SourceForge, I registered wine on SF: http://sourceforge.net/project/?group_id=6241 Anyway, I don't know what we can do with it, but keep it in mind. It's not a bad idea to develop a relationship with them. For example, they've got a giant compile farm which might come in handy for regression testing someday. (the mailing list stuff is better there -- the archives are much nicer, etc) Fixing this stuff up is definitely on the list. And now, there's going to be a bit of help doing it. Maybe we can mirror the CVS tree into SF's CVS? The CVS tree can be mirrored anywhere one wants, it's just a matter of setting it up. My hope is that once we're cut over, the demand for mirrors will drop a bit. Of course, it's always faster to work with a source control system which is local rather than over the net, but we might have to go to Bitkeeper to set up a system that distributed. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GDI heap
M.W., 1. You need to be subscribed in order to post. It helps keep the spam down. This means that your message did not go out to the list. 2. Although the Wine GDI heap is only 64K, it's not as bad as it looks. The Wine GDI heap, unlike Win16, does not store large objects (fonts, palettes, etc.) but only structures which hold flat pointers to the objects themselves. So, although the heap is of a limited size, the number of objects which can realistically be stored is large and not much different from Microsoft implementations. If you're running out of space on the GDI heap, then Wine is probably leaking GDI objects. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 May 2000, M.W. wrote: Hi there, Let me ask a question about the range of GDI heap area. It seems that the current Wine uses a GDI heap area of 64KB as not only Win16 but also Win32. If it's true, are there any ways to expand the GDI heap area from 64K bytes to more ? Thanks in advance, M.W.
Font rasterizing support Re: RFC: Wine 1.0
On Fri, 12 May 2000, michael cardenas wrote: Also, we need more font support. Is there any kind of font rasterizer in wine? We implemented some code to read font data and curve data out of truetype fonts that we're willing to contribute, but since there's no rasterizer, it would be mostly useless. My opinion is that the X server is the place for the font rasterizer. Wine needs additional interfaces beyond what X provides, which means either extending the X Font Protocol or using a custom font server. I don't know how this interacts with printing, however. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server issue [Fwd: An Opportunity]
On Wed, 3 May 2000, David Elliott wrote: Original Message ^^ Notice that received line... a source IP and whatnot is missing, so we have no idea from what service this person sent this message. Might wanna check the server logs and see if it's in there so you can contact the ISP this person is using and get their account terminated. If only for the fun of it ;). Judging by the signature, it came from Michele Petrovsky, who's evidently using Tom Parkinson's voicenet account. Not a whole lot of sleuthing required. The original source IP is stripped by slist, but the From: line is valid. Michele is certainly a legitimate member of the community, and her Wine book has recently appeared (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764546309/). It looks like she's working on a new project, and is interested in finding collaborators. Believe me, I see all the attempted spam, and there's a lot of it. So far as I can tell, very little or none gets through to the list. This messaage isn't spam. It's perhaps off-topic, but that just comes with the territory of running an unmoderated list. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q re: Video codecs
Can anyone help this gentleman? doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: 12 Apr 00 03:00:58 PDT From: Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: question Hi, I have a question concerning emulation of Win32 code, perhaps you could help me or point me in the right direction. I am trying to understand how the video codecs for Windows work, and what they need to function. Since you have written a Win32 emulation system, I thought perhaps you could help. I assume that a codec doesn't need to make an API calls, so it seems like it would be relatively easy to write a program to interpret and execute it. Any ideas? Get Free Internet Access and WebEmail at http://www.address.com Click on this link http://www.address.com/giveaways/free.asp for great offers.
