Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
Which stat don't you like Tom? The PEW Report: http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_Digital_Divisions_Oct_5_2005.pdf As of May-June 2005, 68% of American adults, or about 137 million people, use the internet, up from 63% one year ago. Thirty-two percent of American adults, or about 65 million people, do not use the internet and not always by choice. Certain groups continue to lag in their internet adoption, including Americans age 65 and older, African- Americans, and those with less education. Numbers vary depending on the poll/survey/source. From America's Network: Some 62 million Americans are still using their telephone lines to dial into the Internet, according to recent figures from the Pew Internet and American Life Project. Other figures from research firms like Forrester show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at all! So how come the US is lagging behind most of the developed world in broadband access? Some analysts cite price as a factor, but that seems doubtful. DSL deals from Verizon and ATT often are priced below monthly dial-up rates, and millions of cable television customers can get cable-modem service packaged at a discount with their TV and phone service. So why stick with slow dialup? The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they know best: the slow but reliable telephone. Even the service providers themselves are confused. A plan by the city of West Hollywood, Calif. to install Wi-Fi has stalled for two years because the local utility company can’t decide whether to grant a right-of-way for the equipment on its lampposts. Inevitably, this is going to change, but the change would come much more quickly if a national policy and direction were put into place, consumers knew what to expect and the service providers better focused their efforts. Until then, Americans will have another reason to worry about the rise of China. - Doesn't matter if you like or believe the numbers. The fact is that Broadband growth has stalled. So ISPs have to find out why (fear, tired on PC troubles, too much crap, don't need the internet, no PC to use) in order to have growth in those flattened or no-growth areas. - Peter http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/09/broadband-policy.html Tom DeReggi wrote: Peter, I do not agree with those statistics. Why would anyone prefer DialUp for the same price? Don't think so. A large part of that 68% are DialUp Users NOT by choice. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S.16th Among IndustrializedNations Peter R. wrote: We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has Internet. The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet. Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet. So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up. The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration? The marketing question is: What Remarkable Useful things can you do with broadband (other than entertainment)? That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map - NEW SERVER NEEDED
Technically... umm. i dont know. =) but i do know that I expect about 200-500 visitors a day AND the map WILL be in wikipedia under wisp, isp, internet, and other definitions. it WAS already in there getting tons of traffic but alas.. it started running s slow... that we had to remove it... any ideas? On 9/19/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What exactly are you needing here? Bandwidth? Hardware? What are the requirements? Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Gents, It's been a while and i realize that this topic may have cooled off a bit BUT... it's now MORE Necessary then before... I've spent months trying to speed up our server with my webmaster but NOTHING... so.. i give up... if anybody wants to host the map (currently at http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com )... this is what i propose: 1. I will remove ALL data about EVDO or HSDPA 2. the map will ONLY be a WISP map. 3. the only thing I want to see for my company is a) a paragraph about EVDO and Mobile WIMAX saying that it is ONLY for mobile users. and it will specifially say that a WISP will deliver faster more solid service for fixed locations. b) a paragraph about Satellite saying that it is ONLY appropriate as a LAST Resort due to latency and inconsistency of service. I'm planning on moving the site to http://wireless-internet-coverage.com so that we can put all WISPA members and my stuff in the highest traffic front page possible... All i need to do this is a server that is FAST... and since mobile internet and fixed broadband wis are totally complementary... lets do this... thoughts??? On 4/14/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling... we now finally have a usable LINKABLE google map for WISPS please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP... thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new design... bob kim GOOGLEMAP: http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Internet Advisor Provider http://wireless-internet-access-provider.com http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy on teelcom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements. Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually have failure. - Peter Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this... The biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY Oh, please. Spare us the insane idiocy... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy on telecom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements. Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually have failure. - Peter Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this... The biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY Oh, please. Spare us the insane idiocy... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 radios. I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be inadequate. Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? Any help appreciated. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
Disparaging remarks of this nature are dysfunctional. Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one but nobody wants to hear it. - cw Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this... The biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY Oh, please. Spare us the insane idiocy... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they know best: the slow but reliable telephone. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln
Scriv, very good news and congrats. BTW, I'm still waiting for your update on your BreezeAccess VL upgrade? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln We won an AWS license in our area! :-) Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006 (Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and seventh paragraphs.) WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger rivals. T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going. The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died, said Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. The usual suspects have won. The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to NextWave and invalidating the auction. This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position. Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, although it's unclear what that technology may be. A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for comment. Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. (LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis. Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as Sprint-Nextel and Verizon, Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients. The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts of as much as 25%. http://tinyurl.com/j77nv --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(191). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
I've got an anal sphincter too! http://wimax-coverage.com/wimax-access-wireless-internet-service-why.html two words: Qual-Comm =) -- Robert Q Kim, Internet Advisor Provider http://wireless-internet-access-provider.com http://wimax-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
ps... i guess i shoulda quoted the last post... oops! Disparaging remarks of this nature are dysfunctional. Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one but nobody wants to hear it. - cw On 9/20/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got an anal sphincter too! http://wimax-coverage.com/wimax-access-wireless-internet-service-why.html two words: Qual-Comm =) -- Robert Q Kim, Internet Advisor Provider http://wireless-internet-access-provider.com http://wimax-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- Robert Q Kim, Internet Advisor Provider http://wireless-internet-access-provider.com http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy on teelcom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements. Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually have failure. The notion that the federal government can actually create a policy or program to provide something that is better than free enterprise is absurd on it's face, and evidence suggests that is the worst possible means of attempting to do anything. I will agree that there have been a lot of federal failures, but they relate to over-regulation, the creation of monopolies, and a failure at being good stewards of the public trust. Add this all up, and you have to wonder why on earth people think the federal government should EVER be considered as being responsible for much of anything in our daily lives. - Peter Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this... The biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY Oh, please. Spare us the insane idiocy... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Hello Mark, 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may address that. Barry Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 MK radios. MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the MK same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be MK inadequate. MK Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? MK Any help appreciated. MK +++ MK neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington MK email me at mark at neofast dot net MK 541-969-8200 MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
2 Miles? That's all? The farthest we've gotten is 27 on some old Tranzeo 2.4 gear. It's now been replaced with StarOS, but we're still getting 20 miles, and probably more. What antennas are you using? I'm assuming you've got a really cluttered spectrum? Nick Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Mark, 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may address that. Barry Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 MK radios. MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the MK same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be MK inadequate. MK Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? MK Any help appreciated. MK +++ MK neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington MK email me at mark at neofast dot net MK 541-969-8200 MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- --- | Nick White | | Network Administrator | | Tele-NET Internet | | http://www.tele-net.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
I have customers beyond 20 miles... Last night I installed someone, and couldn't get thier CPE to associate until I called someone and had the distance limit upped to 28 miles on the AP. Anyway, I plotted it in RadioMobile and it's 22.7 miles according to RM. The customer is here behind the trees. http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/cafferkey.jpg And ap is ... I THINK... in the mountains near where this is marked. It's kinda hard to tell from this view, and I couldn't find a better picture. But, those sites are visible to each other. http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/lewispeak.jpg These pictures are taken from one of my AP's. I have picked up a useable signal level at 29.5 miles from one of my AP's while I was doing a site survey. No, I have no amps, and all but one AP is a CM9, with the last holdout being an old Sapphire card, which is going to changed out real soon. All my CPE has 18 db grids. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik Hello Mark, 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may address that. Barry Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 MK radios. MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the MK same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be MK inadequate. MK Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? MK Any help appreciated. MK +++ MK neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington MK email me at mark at neofast dot net MK 541-969-8200 MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
Peter, Other figures from research firms like Forrester show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at all! I do not disagree with those statistics. I disagree with your statement that most DialUp users are DialUp users by choice, and that most people that don't have Internet are doing so by choice. The facts are, 60% of America is under served, which is both embaressing for the US, and a call for opportunity. In todays world, there is justification for every home in America to have broadband and to have a computer. Not having a computer, is no longer a valid arguement. Even the most impoverished homes, can manage to budget to buy a $300 computer from BestBuy, that includes monitor and printer. Or for that matter to get a FREE used donated computer. A pentium pc, does Broadband fine (although slow and problematic). The reason people do not buy broadband, is NOT price. It doesn't need to be cheaper. There is already cost justification, the end user just doesn't always realize it at first. Understanding that the Average DialUp user is paying $35 a month already (line and service). The problem is that broadband is to cheap. So large players can't justify expansion into lower profit centers, by subsidees of higher paying subs. The problem is that users DO NOT HAVE OPTIONS. USERS HAVE NOT BEEN SOLICITED WITH PROPER SALES AND MARKETING TO CONVINCE THEM THEY NEED IT, BECAUE IT IS POINTLESS WHEN IT IS NOT AVAILABLE. One of the biggest mistakes I made in this industry, which I am paying for now dearly, is I did not recognize the market. I was bold, ambitious, and competitive, and wanted to prove I was good as any one else, and hit the competition head on in their prime territory. Its not about win or loose, I often won. The issue is its a hard war and a peric victory. What I didn't realize is that the under served market was actually the larger market over the tier1 prime market. 60% underserved, 40% served. Why in the world did I decide to go after the smaller market with more competition? This is the only reason, that DIAL UP providers still hold half the US's Internet traffic, providers are stupid, and don't properly identify the gravy when its already stearing them in the face at the table. In my defense, I have the excuse that I live in a Urban Tier 1 market. This is why WIRELESS is such an exciting play today. We have a completely different economics and different set of limitations and criteria than wireline providers. We often can do well what they can't, although limited in other areas that they do well. Wireless on the other hand, is still to expensive on a individual level, to replace Dial Up. The cable isn't already there, we need to actually deploy something, and wireless companies do not yet have the same support structure that monopolies and utilities have. I'd argue that under served America is NOT the fault or choice of consumers, it is the CLEAR undisputed failure of Governement officials and legislators and wireless manufacturers. The manufacturers have an excuse, they don't want to risk money on a potential business model, when the industry has zero support by the governement. It important not to confuse what I am saying, this is NOT a request for Muni broadband. The problem is that somewhere along the line, the Governement decided that it is no longer necessary to support small business. Set up programs that gives it all to the goliath companies. They'd rather develop programs to support a super company, than thousands of companies that could work togeather to create a greater more efficient army. Everyone wants Earthlink. Yeah, thats going to be fast, as they all wait in line for the same company. Forgetting that the people that want to bring broadband to the underserved with a vengence are the ones that live their and know the deficiency and market exists. Any way you slice it, a small local company can deliver service more accurately and quickly, and more sincerity for quality, for all the advantages that the local provider possesses. Sometimes I wish our governement was run by Pre-Schoolers, because even they get it, and are tought the principles early on. You don't hire a giant, to crawl into a tiny crawl space, they don't fit, no matter how big and strong they are. Its OK to be small. The truth is a broad statistical survey will never bring out the true feelings of all the people needing served. Small samples do not adequately find the holes full of frustrated people. Your local provider know who these people are. What the country needs is not governements facilitating exclusivity in exchange for incouraging third party investment in their communities, to put their local community professionals in the field out of the business. What this country needs is powerful support for the small local
[WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
As you guys know my company was having some serious speed and reliability issues with our existing Trango backhaul some time back. We have about 25 tower locations in Southern Illinois which until recently were all fed from these Trango radios. We had countless short outages, signal irregularities, bandwidth crunches, etc. The Trangos used to work just fine. In the last year or so the Trango links have become a big problem for us. We tried several things to fix these problems but the Trangos were simply being pushed to do more than they were designed to do. The amount of packet counts, speed, etc. we needed to reliably serve the towers simply was too much for these radios and they were buckling under the strain. I have always thought highly of Alvarion and knew we could probably find a good place for their equipment in our network someday. Previously the trouble with choosing Alvarion had always been that we either needed something they did not offer at the time needed ( as was the case when we selected Trango for multi-point 5 GHz backhaul back in the day) or that they were too expensive. Alvarion finally has a place in our network. In the case of our troubled backhaul links Alvarion's VL product seemed to fit the bill to help us now. We had seen reports of 50,000 packet per second throughput and up to 35 megabit per second capacity with the new Version 4 of the VL firmware. When I asked about the product I was directed to a guy named Mike Cowan of Wireless Connections who is a RF engineer and sells Alvarion VL. Mike spent an incredible amount of time with our staff to look over the issues we were having and help us find ways of correcting it. He never charged us a dime for what I consider to be thousands of dollars worth of support and training. Mike Cowan and Alvarion did more for us to help us build a better WISP network than any vendor ever has since the day I became a WISP. We also had some serious peer to peer traffic issues on our network which were resolved with a Mikrotik box running to slow down that traffic. The combination of this box and the new more robust Alvarion VL backhaul has led customers to remark, It's like the difference between night and day. We have zero downtime on our backhaul now. We were getting countless reports of downtime from our network monitoring system before. Now it just works. I don't think I can overstate the impact Alvarion VL has had on my network. If you are having problems with your network then you need to at least call Alvarion and give them a shot. In the last three months or so we have migrated about 40% of our backhaul links over to Alvarion VL. Since that time outages on those most troubled links have vanished. Throughput has tripled. People have gone from screaming and yelling to sending their friends to us to hookup. If you guys want to compare the numbers out there I am sure you will find a few different systems that will give comparable umbers to what we are seeing with Alvarion VL. What you do not see in those numbers is the quality and the reliability of the system. I have always been a tinkerer and I will continue to tinker. What I believe though is that there is something to be said for buying a high-quality, engineered system and that is what you get with Alvarion VL. If you have tower locations and/or enterprise customers who cannot afford to be a test subject for your tinkering then consider calling Alvarion for those links. There is no shame in admitting you cannot possibly build a system as reliable as a company who has spent millions of dollars and hired countless designers to research and build a better data radio. I am certainly not ashamed to admit it. For the record, I publicly announced that I would report these findings after I bought some Alvarion VL some time back. This was prior to Alvarion joining WISPA as a vendor. While my report here is almost like reading an Alvarion advertisement I can tell you that it is not. I have not been paid to give this shining recommendation and Alvarion has earned my personal support outside of my relationship with them through WISPA. Thank you, Alvarion, for giving me a better network. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
I hereby certify that I have not taken over Scriv's body or keyboard. ...Hey John, have my guys finished painting your house for you, grooming your dogs, cleaning your boots and darning your socks? Patrick -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links As you guys know my company was having some serious speed and reliability issues with our existing Trango backhaul some time back. We have about 25 tower locations in Southern Illinois which until recently were all fed from these Trango radios. We had countless short outages, signal irregularities, bandwidth crunches, etc. The Trangos used to work just fine. In the last year or so the Trango links have become a big problem for us. We tried several things to fix these problems but the Trangos were simply being pushed to do more than they were designed to do. The amount of packet counts, speed, etc. we needed to reliably serve the towers simply was too much for these radios and they were buckling under the strain. I have always thought highly of Alvarion and knew we could probably find a good place for their equipment in our network someday. Previously the trouble with choosing Alvarion had always been that we either needed something they did not offer at the time needed ( as was the case when we selected Trango for multi-point 5 GHz backhaul back in the day) or that they were too expensive. Alvarion finally has a place in our network. In the case of our troubled backhaul links Alvarion's VL product seemed to fit the bill to help us now. We had seen reports of 50,000 packet per second throughput and up to 35 megabit per second capacity with the new Version 4 of the VL firmware. When I asked about the product I was directed to a guy named Mike Cowan of Wireless Connections who is a RF engineer and sells Alvarion VL. Mike spent an incredible amount of time with our staff to look over the issues we were having and help us find ways of correcting it. He never charged us a dime for what I consider to be thousands of dollars worth of support and training. Mike Cowan and Alvarion did more for us to help us build a better WISP network than any vendor ever has since the day I became a WISP. We also had some serious peer to peer traffic issues on our network which were resolved with a Mikrotik box running to slow down that traffic. The combination of this box and the new more robust Alvarion VL backhaul has led customers to remark, It's like the difference between night and day. We have zero downtime on our backhaul now. We were getting countless reports of downtime from our network monitoring system before. Now it just works. I don't think I can overstate the impact Alvarion VL has had on my network. If you are having problems with your network then you need to at least call Alvarion and give them a shot. In the last three months or so we have migrated about 40% of our backhaul links over to Alvarion VL. Since that time outages on those most troubled links have vanished. Throughput has tripled. People have gone from screaming and yelling to sending their friends to us to hookup. If you guys want to compare the numbers out there I am sure you will find a few different systems that will give comparable umbers to what we are seeing with Alvarion VL. What you do not see in those numbers is the quality and the reliability of the system. I have always been a tinkerer and I will continue to tinker. What I believe though is that there is something to be said for buying a high-quality, engineered system and that is what you get with Alvarion VL. If you have tower locations and/or enterprise customers who cannot afford to be a test subject for your tinkering then consider calling Alvarion for those links. There is no shame in admitting you cannot possibly build a system as reliable as a company who has spent millions of dollars and hired countless designers to research and build a better data radio. I am certainly not ashamed to admit it. For the record, I publicly announced that I would report these findings after I bought some Alvarion VL some time back. This was prior to Alvarion joining WISPA as a vendor. While my report here is almost like reading an Alvarion advertisement I can tell you that it is not. I have not been paid to give this shining recommendation and Alvarion has earned my personal support outside of my relationship with them through WISPA. Thank you, Alvarion, for giving me a better network. Scriv This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(191).
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
Wow, if they really believe that, I wonder how they expect the American public to buy a car? Gee, Ford, Chevy, GMC, KIA, Toyota, Subaru ... Econo, Sedan, Van, SUV, Pickup ... Sheesh, I guess I'll just walk to work. Buying groceries oh Lord I'm suprised we haven't starved to death in the canned goods aisle trying to decide what type of tomato sauce to buy, roasted garlic, low salt, herb and butter ... I can't speak for Urban areas as I don't live in one or serve one, but in BFE where we have 3 ISPs. I know several people that don't have internet, don't have a computer and don't want one (don't know how they function, just saying I see it regularly). I also know several people that only have dialup, and know that they pay $20/mo for dialup when they can get my bottom end wireless for $25/mo and not tie up their phone line. They are not interested, they use it to send the occasional email and that is it. I've tried marketing to them, I've laid it out, but they persist in not spending the extra $5 dollars. I doubt they would spend an extra $2. I have a $30 plan for 390K and a $40 plan for 2M, more than 80% of my customers are on the $30 plan because it meets their needs. It doesn't matter to them that for only $10 more a month they can get 5 times the speed. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this... The biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY Oh, please. Spare us the insane idiocy... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they know best: the slow but reliable telephone. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iTunes movie downloads announced
Good, maybe I can see some upgrades on my cheapo accounts. Of course, in Valentine, 30 minutes you can go to the video store rent the movie, come home, make popcorn and be 20 minutes into the movie in the same amount of time ;) I'm sure we'll see an uptick while it is new though. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: I expect we will be seeing an uptick in download traffic following the availability of this service. -Matt a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,4506f2ff81868362916074;!DSPAM:16,4506f2ff81868362916074!/a -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iTunes movie downloads announced
They have already sold 125,000 movies. See http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060919/disney_online_movies.html -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: Good, maybe I can see some upgrades on my cheapo accounts. Of course, in Valentine, 30 minutes you can go to the video store rent the movie, come home, make popcorn and be 20 minutes into the movie in the same amount of time ;) I'm sure we'll see an uptick while it is new though. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: I expect we will be seeing an uptick in download traffic following the availability of this service. -Matt a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,4506f2ff81868362916074;!DSPAM:16,4506f2ff81868362916074!/a -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Mark Koskenmaki: Am I missing something? YES!! No doubt! Is this just a setting problem or ??? Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference between a RB532 a RB112. Were these vital links? Were they mission critical links? Do you have residual money coming in off these links? If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to pass through them all at once. I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and this complaint is along those lines. You get what you pay for!! Mac +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition
Tom DeReggi wrote: Peter, Other figures from research firms like Forrester show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at all! I do not disagree with those statistics. I disagree with your statement that most DialUp users are DialUp users by choice, and that most people that don't have Internet are doing so by choice. I think you are inferring there, but I know several people who keep dial-up (mostly with AOL) because of the pain of change, including my sister, who could get SBC DSL by Yahoo for less than her AOL account. So yeah many are on it on purpose. A buddy keeps dial-up at home so his kids will not get addicted and be on MySpace all night. Again on purpose he has dial-up. The facts are, 60% of America is under served, which is both embaressing for the US, and a call for opportunity. In todays world, there is justification for every home in America to have broadband and to have a computer. Not having a computer, is no longer a valid arguement. Even the most impoverished homes, can manage to budget to buy a $300 computer from BestBuy, that includes monitor and printer. Yeah. People on welfare buy PC's. They buy Xbox. It's a status and social thing. But I won't write a thesis on it. Again this is from personal experience. Or for that matter to get a FREE used donated computer. A pentium pc, does Broadband fine (although slow and problematic). The reason people do not buy broadband, is NOT price. It doesn't need to be cheaper. There is already cost justification, the end user just doesn't always realize it at first. Understanding that the Average DialUp user is paying $35 a month already (line and service). The problem is that broadband is to cheap. So large players can't justify expansion into lower profit centers, by subsidees of higher paying subs. The problem is that users DO NOT HAVE OPTIONS. USERS HAVE NOT BEEN SOLICITED WITH PROPER SALES AND MARKETING TO CONVINCE THEM THEY NEED IT, BECAUE IT IS POINTLESS WHEN IT IS NOT AVAILABLE. I think the duopoly is doing a great job of marketing and lowering the ARPU to get everyone on the internet. But I am still amazed when I ask people for an email - and they don't have one! - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Mac! Let's turn the temperature of this debate down a few degrees. You guys are taking a quick trip to Flamesville here. You can drive your point home without driving it into someone's backside. Let's be civil here. Thanks, Scriv Mac Dearman wrote: Mark Koskenmaki: Am I missing something? YES!! No doubt! Is this just a setting problem or ??? Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference between a RB532 a RB112. Were these vital links? Were they mission critical links? Do you have residual money coming in off these links? If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to pass through them all at once. I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and this complaint is along those lines. You get what you pay for!! Mac +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
