Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Even if the Second radio was turned off, it would still receive the signal from the other radio, if their was a physical connection/circuit in place. Without attennuators in line, I'd assume that over time you'd eventually blow the receiver of the other radio even if it was off. Also possibly some sort of negative effects relating to impedience. I'm wondering why you want to do this? If it is for redundancy, well antennas and cables also fail, so it would be pointless to share cable for redundancy. If for Duplexing two radios on one link, well both would have to be on at the same time, which is why they make Dual Pol/feed antennas. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter Not a good idea... Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 10/4/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] lightning
We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
What a storm in Indiana! We, too, own the radios and have been taking the loss. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WDS PtMP
Background In standard WIFI, a principle exists called hidden note, where two CPEs transmit at the same time andcolidebecause they do not hear each other. There are three ways to get around that, using WIFI between Client and AP. 1) Polling (Karlnet, Nstream, Proprietary), 2) Use Omnis, so radios can hear each other if in close proximity, 3) RTS/CTSwhich effectively solves the problem at asignificant performance degregation. A well know problem with well known solutions. Issue. How does this play our with WDS?AP to AP communication. Sure in PtP its a non-issue, because there are onlytwo radios involved to complete the link. But WDS allows PtMP operation. How does WDS commuication work? Does the Hidden Node problem exist with PtMP WDS? And if so, is there a way to address it? If so, will it help to make the CPE's Omnis, so they hear each other? My confusion is how WDS/WDSworks compared to Station/AP modes. Exampleapplication: Using 802.11a gear. 5 seperate MTUbuildings, spread outwithin 300 yards of each other. 1 is a Master AP Site, with an Omni, and a secondbackhaul radio to the Internet. 4 of the 5 have a direction CPE style antenna pointing to the Master Antenna. WDS is used to allow the radios to operate as true transparent bridges, and to pass per client (5-10 clients per MTU) large packet VLAN traffic. (Note: There is a reason we did not select Nstreme w/ Polling. It may have been an incompatibilty with WDS or inabilty to do transparent bridging with large packets, which standard 802.11 station mode does not support under protocol. May have been early version of Firmware, not sure if still an issue) Why I thought it might be an issue: Surveys show low noise. However, as moreclients have been taken on (2 mbps average sustained throughput all combined),the Link quality started to degregate as if the noise floor was rising. As a tempoirary measure, we switched to 5.2Ghz (indoor only FREQ, which appeared not to have any detectable noise in standard 802.11 based survey tools, and was chosen becausenon-detectable carrier grade gear would not use those channels). Its hard to believe that the noise floor would be that high using that freq. So I'm wondering if the noise that I'm hearing is actually my own CPEs within this project? The symptom was sparatic higher latency, what typically would happen if 802.11ahad frequent retransmissions (native prorocol ARQ). I can look at stats to see if there are re-transmissions, but that data is pointless, as what I want to know is, is the retransmisison because my own noise or someone elses. Its hard to tell with WiFi, as WiFi doesn't transmit when its not in use. So testing in the middle of the night, when clients and users in town are off, may not be meaningful. Its also possible, that I just have a failing radio card or two, and a totally different cause. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Auto rate or Locked rate 802.11b
I almost always let the radios work it out. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Auto rate or Locked rate 802.11b Hi Marshall, My personal advice is to let the radios negotiate the best rate. Just make sure they associate at the 11Mbps rate and you'll be good to go. Anything less and you're going to have un-needed stress. ;-) Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [WISPA] Auto rate or Locked rate 802.11b All, What is the best practice when configuring 802.11b clients. Do you find that locking the client rate to something low (5.5M, 2M) works best, or is it best just to let the radios negotiate the best rate? Thanks marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations
I've done all of our installations so things have been easy, but I'm moving toward contractor installs. As it has been, I have not done site surveys...I go out to install and if I don't get the connection I walk away and the customer doesn't owe us anything. So I'm out a little time and a slot on the schedule...big deal. With contractor installs, how dopeople handle this? Do we do site surveys prior to the installation? I know that there are owners out there that own remote systems so you must pay something for site surveys or pay something for unsuccessful installations??? Mark NashNetwork EngineerUnwiredOnline.Net350 Holly StreetJunction City, OR 97448http://www.uwol.net541-998-541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Rick Smith To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced installations right – but I hand them the EQ, name and number and let them schedule their installs. They pay me $10 back if I hear from a customer that they didn’t make an appointment, and they credit me the install if I get a complaint serious enough from the customer.. J R From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete DavisSent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:15 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations We actually did that for a while. It works out well, except that a contractor must provide his own tools and manage his own time. In other words, I cannot promise that he will be at Mr Smith's house at 2:00p on Wednesday. He has to be the one to schedule installs. It gets real fuzzy there. pdRick Smith wrote: the answer is hire a company to do installations for you. if your employee just happens to own that company, well, oh well… It’s all invoices. Pay them as normal, and you don’t need to worry about taxes, etc. Your employee (or sub’d company J…) does that on their own. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggiSent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations Where the problems come in are, that paying someone peice rate does NOT NEGATE the requirement to pay overtime for Employees. Nor does it Negate the IRS's definition of what an EMployee is and a contractor is. You have to restrict employees to work less than 40 hours or prepair to pay time and a half for your peice rate. If an employee works 60 hours, and completes three installs at in that week, at a peice rate of $100 each you would pay the employee. $300 / 60 hours = $5 per hour. Overtime (20 hours)would be paid on $100 of the pay. Addtional over time pay (half time) would be $50. Total paycheck would be $350. If it took them 60 hours to just get two installs done, they would be less than the minimum wage. So there are two requirements 1) You must have a minimumpay, calcuated on the total number of hours that THEY record working. 2) Must figure out someonesaverage hourly rate on a weekly basis. This complicates the accounting duties, and forces the account to custom pay each employee each month. Two problems that can occur are... What if you want to pay an employee well, because they are really doing a good job, and then one week they decide to go really slow?You end up paying someone a huge amount of overtime unexpectedly! What we learned was that aemployee's record of stated hours worked was accurate. So paying peice rate does NOT NEGATE the need of the management to record and manage the hours worked by an employee. We learned, that an Employer is NOT responsible for their productivity the employer is.So if they go to the movies all day without you knowing it,and work late to get the job done, you still owe them the overtime, regardless of what flat peice rate you negotiated. These are some of the reasons that we chose to put employees on Salary instead of Piece rate. We live in a sue happy county. We just plan on everyone taking way to long for an install, and put very low expectations on what they are expected to accomplish, and we save onmanagement and accounting salaries.If they get done early, we have them do other things. I won't talk about what happens if they don't get their work done, thats handled on a case by case basis. So we chose salary for ease. IF they consistently do well, they get a higher salary and stock options. It creates a team effort, not a what do I get mentality. I don't know if that is the right decission or not, it really takes our guys a long time to get things done. I often consider whether I should migrate
[WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday. Good news for us small guys! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP
- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] WDS PtMP Background In standard WIFI, a principle exists called hidden note, where two CPEs transmit at the same time and colide because they do not hear each other. There are three ways to get around that, using WIFI between Client and AP. 1) Polling (Karlnet, Nstream, Proprietary), 2) Use Omnis, so radios can hear each other if in close proximity, 3) RTS/CTS which effectively solves the problem at a significant performance degregation. A well know problem with well known solutions. mks: Close. It's when two CPE talk at the same time and the AP can't hear one of them because the other one is louder. This is part of why you should never build a network using the same size antennas everywhere. And why more power isn't always better. I try to keep all of my cpe within about 10 dB of each other. mks: It can ALSO be where two cpe talk at the same time because they don't know each other exists. This causes a collision at the ap (it can't understand either one of them) and after a random backoff time they'll each try again. mks: The easy fix to that problem is usually to just add another ap as you've filled up the one you already have :-). Issue. How does this play our with WDS? AP to AP communication. Sure in PtP its a non-issue, because there are only two radios involved to complete the link. But WDS allows PtMP operation. How does WDS commuication work? Does the Hidden Node problem exist with PtMP WDS? And if so, is there a way to address it? If so, will it help to make the CPE's Omnis, so they hear each other? mks: As I understand it, wds is simply a way for a cpe unit to ALSO act as an ap. Much like AdHoc mode. Except this time you can put in WDS units only where needed so that you can go around a corner or two. With AdHoc the whole network would have to be that way. My confusion is how WDS/WDS works compared to Station/AP modes. Example application: Using 802.11a gear. 5 seperate MTU buildings, spread out within 300 yards of each other. 1 is a Master AP Site, with an Omni, and a second backhaul radio to the Internet. 4 of the 5 have a direction CPE style antenna pointing to the Master Antenna. WDS is used to allow the radios to operate as true transparent bridges, and to pass per client (5-10 clients per MTU) large packet VLAN traffic. (Note: There is a reason we did not select Nstreme w/ Polling. It may have been an incompatibilty with WDS or inabilty to do transparent bridging with large packets, which standard 802.11 station mode does not support under protocol. May have been early version of Firmware, not sure if still an issue) Why I thought it might be an issue: Surveys show low noise. However, as more clients have been taken on (2 mbps average sustained throughput all combined), the Link quality started to degregate as if the noise floor was rising. As a tempoirary measure, we switched to 5.2Ghz (indoor only FREQ, which appeared not to have any detectable noise in standard 802.11 based survey tools, and was chosen because non-detectable carrier grade gear would not use those channels). Its hard to believe that the noise floor would be that high using that freq. So I'm wondering if the noise that I'm hearing is actually my own CPEs within this project? The symptom was sparatic higher latency, what typically would happen if 802.11a had frequent retransmissions (native prorocol ARQ). mks: 5.2 gig is also usable outdoors. I use 5.2 and 5.3 anywhere I can! Because most others don't :-). But the smart ones do. It's the 5.1 ghz band that's indoor only. mks: I think what you are probably seeing is indeed the effects of all mesh networks that use single radio systems. They all use the same channel and try to at the same time. That's why I've never liked standard mesh systems. I don't think they (and feedback such as yours seems to uphold this) will ever scale to any real use. Sure, put it in an office and feel free to do email and an occasional print job, but don't do much more than that with mesh. I can look at stats to see if there are re-transmissions, but that data is pointless, as what I want to know is, is the retransmisison because my own noise or someone elses. Its hard to tell with WiFi, as WiFi doesn't transmit when its not in use. So testing in the middle of the night, when clients and users in town are off, may not be meaningful. Its also possible, that I just have a failing radio card or two, and a totally different cause. mks: Well, first, try changing channels around and see if it has any measureable effect. Next, get ahold of a spectrum analyzer (Bob M. isn't that far from you, or I can ship mine out to you). mks: Next, build a proper network! grin. Put in a 5 gig ptmp and/or ptp system to link up all of the buildings back to the internet.
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
why? Who are they? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday. Good news for us small guys! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: why? Who are they? Our two biggest landlords. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
CC is a tower company...but I don't recall them necessarily being wISP friendly. We must assume Blake has had better luck negotiating with CC than Global Signal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal why? Who are they? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday. Good news for us small guys! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
Crown Castle and Global signal are two of the Giants in the tower industry. What it does for the WISP industry is make it tougher to lease from them, historically as they get bigger, if you are not a cellular carrier you are not of interest to them. What it does for the smaller tower owners, is make the WISPS an even more attractive market - as we know how tough it is to deal with the big guys, and we try to make sure we are easy to deal with. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal why? Who are they? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday. Good news for us small guys! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
Crown castle is a tower company, and they own thousands of radio towers. It is probably very bad for little guys like us.. Probably an increase in site fees. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:28:27 -0700 why? Whoarethey? Marlon (509)982-2181Equipmentsales (408)907-6910(Vonage)Consultingservices 42846865(icq)AndIrunmyownwisp! 64.146.146.12(netmeeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-OriginalMessage- From:"BlakeBowers"[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"WISPAGeneralList"wireless@wispa.org Sent:Friday,October06,200610:15AM Subject:[WISPA]CrownCastle/Globalsignal CrownCastleagreedtoacquireGlobalSignal for4billioncashandstockdealasofyesterday. Goodnewsforussmallguys! -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! Get it now! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Brian, This is still a seriously bad idea. Sorry. Unterminated pieces of coax attached to the system will behave as filters. For instance, a piece of coax that is 1/4 wavelength long acts as a DEAD SHORT if the end of it is open. If the end of the coax is shorted then it acts as an infinite resistance (see THE ARRL HANDBOOK on transmission line and filter theory). If you just throw arbitrary length pieces of coax into the system, you'll be adding all kinds of band pass/band reject filters into your system. If the pieces are just the right length, it'll work. At the very least you'll loose a few decibels due to the additional capacitance in the spare coax. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Ya, Blair called and we talked about it. Ok to the next part. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Jason wrote: Brian, This is still a seriously bad idea. Sorry. Unterminated pieces of coax attached to the system will behave as filters. For instance, a piece of coax that is 1/4 wavelength long acts as a DEAD SHORT if the end of it is open. If the end of the coax is shorted then it acts as an infinite resistance (see THE ARRL HANDBOOK on transmission line and filter theory). If you just throw arbitrary length pieces of coax into the system, you'll be adding all kinds of band pass/band reject filters into your system. If the pieces are just the right length, it'll work. At the very least you'll loose a few decibels due to the additional capacitance in the spare coax. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wireless fiber revisited
Hi, Several weeks ago I posted BridgeWave and GigaBeam prices and quick features of wireless Gbps gear. Has anyone tried or know about this option: -- Proxim Gigalink 6451e- 60Ghz; unlicensed; $10,500 complete link; ? 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps Pricing is attractive, isn't it (specially when customer's budget is very constrained)? But is Proxim a reliable company at this point? Thanks. Mario Previous options posted: -- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps -- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes $1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps release by Dec. 2006. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal
ah bummer Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Crown castle is a tower company, and they own thousands of radio towers. It is probably very bad for little guys like us.. Probably an increase in site fees. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:28:27 -0700 why? Whoarethey? Marlon (509)982-2181Equipmentsales (408)907-6910(Vonage)Consultingservices 42846865(icq)AndIrunmyownwisp! 64.146.146.12(netmeeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -OriginalMessage- From:"BlakeBowers"[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"WISPAGeneralList"wireless@wispa.org Sent:Friday,October06,200610:15AM Subject:[WISPA]CrownCastle/Globalsignal CrownCastleagreedtoacquireGlobalSignal for4billioncashandstockdealasofyesterday. Goodnewsforussmallguys! -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! Get it now! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] lightning
Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months. Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's. I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low. Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Put in bulkhead type n-f gender benders. I use them all of the time. No changing the weather sealing. Ever. Just have to use n-m piggys instead of bulkhead ones. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
That doesn't apply to inline pieces does it? Only ones that don't terminate to anything Otherwise every pigtail would be a disaster in the making Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter Brian, This is still a seriously bad idea. Sorry. Unterminated pieces of coax attached to the system will behave as filters. For instance, a piece of coax that is 1/4 wavelength long acts as a DEAD SHORT if the end of it is open. If the end of the coax is shorted then it acts as an infinite resistance (see THE ARRL HANDBOOK on transmission line and filter theory). If you just throw arbitrary length pieces of coax into the system, you'll be adding all kinds of band pass/band reject filters into your system. If the pieces are just the right length, it'll work. At the very least you'll loose a few decibels due to the additional capacitance in the spare coax. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
yeah, I carry TWO each of n-m/m and n-f/f connectors in my laptop case. Do the adapters in a bigger lower loss connector. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter Ya, Blair called and we talked about it. Ok to the next part. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Jason wrote: Brian, This is still a seriously bad idea. Sorry. Unterminated pieces of coax attached to the system will behave as filters. For instance, a piece of coax that is 1/4 wavelength long acts as a DEAD SHORT if the end of it is open. If the end of the coax is shorted then it acts as an infinite resistance (see THE ARRL HANDBOOK on transmission line and filter theory). If you just throw arbitrary length pieces of coax into the system, you'll be adding all kinds of band pass/band reject filters into your system. If the pieces are just the right length, it'll work. At the very least you'll loose a few decibels due to the additional capacitance in the spare coax. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
Marlon, Correct, it only applies to open coax (or shorted as in the second part of my example). Normally all the impedances must match for a good power transfer, ie, 50ohm transmitter, 50ohm coax, 50ohm antenna. Then everyone's happy. In line coax has little affect on the signal other than attenuation when it's hooked up correctly. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That doesn't apply to inline pieces does it? Only ones that don't terminate to anything Otherwise every pigtail would be a disaster in the making Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter Brian, This is still a seriously bad idea. Sorry. Unterminated pieces of coax attached to the system will behave as filters. For instance, a piece of coax that is 1/4 wavelength long acts as a DEAD SHORT if the end of it is open. If the end of the coax is shorted then it acts as an infinite resistance (see THE ARRL HANDBOOK on transmission line and filter theory). If you just throw arbitrary length pieces of coax into the system, you'll be adding all kinds of band pass/band reject filters into your system. If the pieces are just the right length, it'll work. At the very least you'll loose a few decibels due to the additional capacitance in the spare coax. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Either I am a bad explainer or there are some bad readers here. Lets start again. Lately I have had issues because WiFi sucks (wish I could afford proprietary) moving on.I have been using different radio cards and have ended up having to switch the pigtails from u.fl to mmcx or visa versa. It sucks to cut away mastic and reseal these n female connectors on the bottom of my enclosure. I would like to leave two pigtails attached to my lmr400 n male antenna cable. Then inside the enclosure I could grab whatever pigtail I want to use with the next greatest card that I hope will fix everything. Probably what I should find is a u.fl to mmcx adapter and a mmcx to u.fl adapter so I can adapt. Expanding from that, is there any such WISP emergency include all cable adapter kit that exists? Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've been told to never do this. The output of the transmitting radio will totally deafen the receiving one. It might work for just a few customers at a time (or with something that would sinc like the Moto products) but I think that much usage on the network would kill it pretty fast. I've used splitters for two antennas per radio, that seems to work ok. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter I want to go from two cards to one antenna (wouldn't both be on at same time).. I guess I want a y, to go from 2 n male to 1 n female. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
The real issue here is that Brian needs to figure out why he has to change radio cards and pigtails frequently. Fix that issue and skip the splitter would be my advice. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
Since I own the gear, my insurance company will actually cover under equipment located offsite. We had a bad one here too about a month ago. Direct hit on a 5.8 omni on the tip of my tower. Disintegrated that antenna, blew the front off the Tranzeo 6000 it was connected to. Took out 2 radios, a couple of switches, and a couple of routers. Could have been worse, but it was bad enough. - Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months. Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's. I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low. Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] lmr 400 splitter
We have had some nasty lightening up here the last few weeks I've had several deafened radio cards from it... But, I've been using the n-male pigtails and n-female-2-n-female bulkheads for years Much easier. George Rogato wrote: The real issue here is that Brian needs to figure out why he has to change radio cards and pigtails frequently. Fix that issue and skip the splitter would be my advice. George -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
I guess it was actually a Tranzeo TR5a the 5.8 omni was connected to...doh!!! Killed a 6000 as well though. - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning Since I own the gear, my insurance company will actually cover under equipment located offsite. We had a bad one here too about a month ago. Direct hit on a 5.8 omni on the tip of my tower. Disintegrated that antenna, blew the front off the Tranzeo 6000 it was connected to. Took out 2 radios, a couple of switches, and a couple of routers. Could have been worse, but it was bad enough. - Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months. Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's. I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low. Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
