[WISPA] Copper Plant
Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. "By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won't," Evslin wrote in his blog. "I don't think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it's] a huge problem for AT&T and Verizon. And an important social issue as well." Those comments provoked quite a reaction from readers, most of which were along the lines of, "Wha-huh?" Most people were eager to bet against Evslin's prediction. At the same time, his words echoed in my mind as I read recent complaints from the Communications Workers of America and the West Virginia Public Service Commission that Verizon Communications is neglecting its copper plant as it focuses on fiber-to-the-home deployment. The CWA told Virginia regulators that Verizon is foregoing preventative maintenance on much of the state's copper lines and ordering "Band-Aid repairs" for major problems. Verizon refutes that charge that copper has, in essence, become its redheaded stepchild. But those complaints highlight the way that copper becomes increasingly onerous for Verizon as its fiber network grows. Copper lines will require more care than passive optical networks and yield less revenue. In some cases, it might behoove Verizon for that copper to fail sooner rather than later to accelerate fiber migration. So I can't help but wonder if Verizon would bet against Evslin. Or on him. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tampa Council To Hear Report On Citywide Wireless
http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB8F4QHW2F.html Tampa Council To Hear Report On Citywide Wireless TAMPA - Making all of Tampa a wireless Internet hotspot is something city officials say they'd like to see happen. But how to do it, and how much it will cost, is something they have yet to determine. The only cost to the city is the time required of its staff to negotiate and sort out the logistical issues of the public-private partnership. Buckner said he is trying to determine which Internet providers would be interested in establishing a wireless service in Tampa. He said Tampa has talked to EarthLink, but that he is unsure whether the company will be in a position to provide the service because they have just signed onto other big projects and have limited money to go around. In St. Petersburg, for example, certain government Web sites will be available without a subscription. "Why should St. Petersburg be ahead of us in technology?" Dingfelder said. "If we move slowly, then by the time we get it installed, it will be obsolete." Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 www.rad-info.net www.marketingideaguy.com + -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
I am guessing this prediction has been made by most anyone I know who has been around for a while. I guess when someone "important" says it though then it is news. I remember many years ago when Steve Stroh told us that the phone companies as we know them and their copper plants were going to die. He said they would fall unless the government stepped in and saved them. Even then I had very little doubt that many people shared that feeling. If you look at what is happening to copper plant use the numbers lead to the same conclusions. People are migrating to other platforms for voice. They use mobile phones and VOIP more and more. I have not used a PSTN phone line now at home for over a year. I don't miss it a bit. Scriv Peter R. wrote: Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. "By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won't," Evslin wrote in his blog. "I don't think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it's] a huge problem for AT&T and Verizon. And an important social issue as well." Those comments provoked quite a reaction from readers, most of which were along the lines of, "Wha-huh?" Most people were eager to bet against Evslin's prediction. At the same time, his words echoed in my mind as I read recent complaints from the Communications Workers of America and the West Virginia Public Service Commission that Verizon Communications is neglecting its copper plant as it focuses on fiber-to-the-home deployment. The CWA told Virginia regulators that Verizon is foregoing preventative maintenance on much of the state's copper lines and ordering "Band-Aid repairs" for major problems. Verizon refutes that charge that copper has, in essence, become its redheaded stepchild. But those complaints highlight the way that copper becomes increasingly onerous for Verizon as its fiber network grows. Copper lines will require more care than passive optical networks and yield less revenue. In some cases, it might behoove Verizon for that copper to fail sooner rather than later to accelerate fiber migration. So I can't help but wonder if Verizon would bet against Evslin. Or on him. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George John Scrivner wrote: I am guessing this prediction has been made by most anyone I know who has been around for a while. I guess when someone "important" says it though then it is news. I remember many years ago when Steve Stroh told us that the phone companies as we know them and their copper plants were going to die. He said they would fall unless the government stepped in and saved them. Even then I had very little doubt that many people shared that feeling. If you look at what is happening to copper plant use the numbers lead to the same conclusions. People are migrating to other platforms for voice. They use mobile phones and VOIP more and more. I have not used a PSTN phone line now at home for over a year. I don't miss it a bit. Scriv Peter R. wrote: Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. "By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won't," Evslin wrote in his blog. "I don't think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it's] a huge problem for AT&T and Verizon. And an important social issue as well." Those comments provoked quite a reaction from readers, most of which were along the lines of, "Wha-huh?" Most people were eager to bet against Evslin's prediction. At the same time, his words echoed in my mind as I read recent complaints from the Communications Workers of America and the West Virginia Public Service Commission that Verizon Communications is neglecting its copper plant as it focuses on fiber-to-the-home deployment. The CWA told Virginia regulators that Verizon is foregoing preventative maintenance on much of the state's copper lines and ordering "Band-Aid repairs" for major problems. Verizon refutes that charge that copper has, in essence, become its redheaded stepchild. But those complaints highlight the way that copper becomes increasingly onerous for Verizon as its fiber network grows. Copper lines will require more care than passive optical networks and yield less revenue. In some cases, it might behoove Verizon for that copper to fail sooner rather than later to accelerate fiber migration. So I can't help but wonder if Verizon would bet against Evslin. Or on him. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on the corner of the house". Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant
Good to see your posts on list Steve - - Glad you are doing better and will continue being with us a while longer!! :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 *-Original Message- *From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On *Behalf Of Steve Stroh *Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:55 AM *To: WISPA General List *Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant * *Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the *radios, *which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing *to *pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on *the *corner of the house". * * *Thanks, * *Steve * * * *On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *> *> I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a *> telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. *> *> At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They *> would put a little antenna on the corner of every house *> *> *> Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? *> *> :) *> *> George *> * *-- * *Steve Stroh *425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com *-- *WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org * *Subscribe/Unsubscribe: *http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless * *Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant
The reply we received from Clearwire is "We are not doing external units anymore because they cause problems with performance at the AP's." We were very glad to hear that... Anyone else hear this or is it just maybe a local thing?? Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on the corner of the house". Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] American Tower
*American Tower Corporation* refinanced its existing $1.6 billion senior secured credit facilities at the American Tower operating company level with a new $1.25 billion senior unsecured revolving credit facility of American Tower Corporation. Boston-based American Tower is an independent owner, operator and developer of broadcast and wireless communications sites. It owns and operates more than 22,000 sites in the United States, Mexico and Brazil. Additionally, American Tower manages approximately 2,000 revenue-producing rooftop and tower sites. At closing, the company says it drew down approximately $1 billion under the new credit facility and used the net proceeds and cash on hand to repay all amounts outstanding under the existing AMT OpCo credit facilities. The new credit facility has a term of five years, maturing in full June 8, 2012. The new senior unsecured revolving credit facility is rated BB+ by *Standard & Poor's*, Ba1 by *Moody's* and BB+ by *Fitch*. The company says the credit facility doesn't require amortization of payments and may be paid prior to maturity in whole or in part at the company's option without penalty or premium. The credit facility allows American Tower to use borrowings for working capital and other general corporate purposes of the company and its subsidiaries (including, without limitation, to refinance or repurchase other indebtedness and, provided certain conditions are met, to repurchase the company's equity securities, in each case without additional lender approval). http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/23710.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
I agree! It's good to hear from you Steve!! :) jack Mac Dearman wrote: Good to see your posts on list Steve - - Glad you are doing better and will continue being with us a while longer!! :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 *-Original Message- *From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On *Behalf Of Steve Stroh *Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:55 AM *To: WISPA General List *Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant * *Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the *radios, *which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing *to *pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on *the *corner of the house". * * *Thanks, * *Steve * * * *On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *> *> I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a *> telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. *> *> At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They *> would put a little antenna on the corner of every house *> *> *> Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? *> *> :) *> *> George *> * *-- * *Steve Stroh *425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com *-- *WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org * *Subscribe/Unsubscribe: *http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless * *Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Tower
Is it good that they appear to be replacing "secured" debt with "unsecured" debt" ? Peter R. wrote: *American Tower Corporation* refinanced its existing $1.6 billion senior secured credit facilities at the American Tower operating company level with a new $1.25 billion senior unsecured revolving credit facility of American Tower Corporation. Boston-based American Tower is an independent owner, operator and developer of broadcast and wireless communications sites. It owns and operates more than 22,000 sites in the United States, Mexico and Brazil. Additionally, American Tower manages approximately 2,000 revenue-producing rooftop and tower sites. At closing, the company says it drew down approximately $1 billion under the new credit facility and used the net proceeds and cash on hand to repay all amounts outstanding under the existing AMT OpCo credit facilities. The new credit facility has a term of five years, maturing in full June 8, 2012. The new senior unsecured revolving credit facility is rated BB+ by *Standard & Poor's*, Ba1 by *Moody's* and BB+ by *Fitch*. The company says the credit facility doesn't require amortization of payments and may be paid prior to maturity in whole or in part at the company's option without penalty or premium. The credit facility allows American Tower to use borrowings for working capital and other general corporate purposes of the company and its subsidiaries (including, without limitation, to refinance or repurchase other indebtedness and, provided certain conditions are met, to repurchase the company's equity securities, in each case without additional lender approval). http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/23710.html -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint On 6/15/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. "By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won't," Evslin wrote in his blog. "I don't think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it's] a huge problem for AT&T and Verizon. And an important social issue as well." Those comments provoked quite a reaction from readers, most of which were along the lines of, "Wha-huh?" Most people were eager to bet against Evslin's prediction. At the same time, his words echoed in my mind as I read recent complaints from the Communications Workers of America and the West Virginia Public Service Commission that Verizon Communications is neglecting its copper plant as it focuses on fiber-to-the-home deployment. The CWA told Virginia regulators that Verizon is foregoing preventative maintenance on much of the state's copper lines and ordering "Band-Aid repairs" for major problems. Verizon refutes that charge that copper has, in essence, become its redheaded stepchild. But those complaints highlight the way that copper becomes increasingly onerous for Verizon as its fiber network grows. Copper lines will require more care than passive optical networks and yield less revenue. In some cases, it might behoove Verizon for that copper to fail sooner rather than later to accelerate fiber migration. So I can't help but wonder if Verizon would bet against Evslin. Or on him. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Tower
It certainly is more impressive! - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Tower Is it good that they appear to be replacing "secured" debt with "unsecured" debt" ? Peter R. wrote: *American Tower Corporation* refinanced its existing $1.6 billion senior secured credit facilities at the American Tower operating company level with a new $1.25 billion senior unsecured revolving credit facility of American Tower Corporation. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] more on 700
A new group of veteran wireless entrepreneurs - the Wireless Founders Coalition for Innovation - sent a letter last week to Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin to provide its "real-world" perspective for why "open access" requirements are critical for the proposed 700 MHz E Block (TelecomWeb news break, June 5), which they say represents just a small portion of this beachfront spectrum to be auctioned later this year. "We are writing as members of the Wireless Founders Coalition for Innovation, which is a group of seasoned wireless industry entrepreneurs who have founded wireless companies that now generate billions of dollars of revenue and have created thousands of jobs," the letter says in part. "We have brought innovation to the wireless industry by creating new business models, launching new services, and addressing pressing consumer needs that were previously ignored by the large wireless carriers." The coalition for is made of up 15 C-level wireless leaders who have been involved in such companies as Virgin Mobile USA, Zingy, Palmsource, Palm, Seven Networks, BitWave Semiconductor and a host of smaller startups. "We write in support of an Open Access E Block, as described in Frontline's proposal. We believe the wireless industry is ripe with opportunities for innovation and economic growth, but the large wireless carriers currently act as gatekeepers to block or deter many of these opportunities. From firsthand experience we know that negotiating with the large carriers for access to their networks can be a difficult and time-consuming process that can add months if not years to the launch of a new venture and hinder the 'trial and error' process intrinsic to the entrepreneurial process," the group continued. "An 'Open Access' framework, by contrast, would enable innovation at 'Internet speed.'" It continues, "As entrepreneurs we are not only visionaries, we are pragmatists. We know it is difficult to for the FCC to force the large carriers to open up their existing networks retroactively. Nor do we ask the FCC to apply Open Access rules to the entire 700 MHz band. However, we think it is eminently reasonable for the FCC to consider setting aside a single 10-megahertz block in the upcoming auction - a small fraction of the 700 MHz spectrum allocated to commercial use - as a sandbox for entrepreneurs. We applaud the Commission for paving the way for the DTV transition and freeing this valuable spectrum for new and exciting services. We believe, however, that this effort will have been wasted if it does not create opportunities for entrepreneurs to freely explore new ideas, services, and business models." The group then points out a significant difference between working with telcos and cablecos and working with celcos. "Wireless entrepreneurship would take a huge step forward if wireless was more like the Internet. What makes the wireline Internet so friendly from an entrepreneur's perspective is its openness. One does not have to ask Comcast or Time Warner Cable or even Verizon 's DSL division for permission to launch a new product, service or device. To borrow the Nike slogan, you can 'just do it,'" they write. The complete text of this story, outlining this group and its goals, is available on Telecom Policy Report at http://www.telecomweb.com/news/tpr. http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/23706.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Voting Day
Just a reminder that today, Friday, is WISPA Board of Directors voting day. If you did not get a ballot in your email yesterday and you are a paid WISPA member then you need to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] right away or call 618-244-6868. The election will close early tomorrow morning so make sure you get your votes cast today. Scriv begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Pennsylvania Site for Sale
If you're in my area (NW NJ, NE PA) let me know if you'd be interested. I've decided to back out of my Bangor / Stroudsburg PA coverage locations, and have invested in a bunch of equipment there already installed on towers and building tops. A few customers there as well. Contact me offlist, and we'll chat. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
correct George Rogato wrote: Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues
Anyone out there running radios from Teletronics? We purchased 6 of them in January of this year and to date five of them have had to be replaced because of Ethernet issues... Anyone else having similar issue? -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant
I find that kinda odd... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Kerns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant The reply we received from Clearwire is "We are not doing external units anymore because they cause problems with performance at the AP's." We were very glad to hear that... Anyone else hear this or is it just maybe a local thing?? Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on the corner of the house". Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Report: Sprint looking for WiMAX partner
http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/sprint_wimax_partner_061407/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Sprint looking for WiMAX partner
My take on this is at http://www.bwianews.com/2007/06/clearwire_and_s.html Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/sprint_wimax_partner_061407/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Report: Sprint looking for WiMAX partner
Great to have you back Steve! Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Sprint looking for WiMAX partner My take on this is at http://www.bwianews.com/2007/06/clearwire_and_s.html Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/sprint_wimax_partner_061407/ > > -- > Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > FCC License # PG-12-25133 > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP > Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" > True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting > FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers > Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com > -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
And this is why I planning a fiber roll out in my town. I can see the spectrum - bandwidth limitations of a pure wireless play and would like to be able to "run with the big dogs" When they start cranking up their stuff. George Mike Hammett wrote: BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues
It's a known bug. The new ones don't have this issue. Some kind of hardware problem with a production run or some such thing. I had 2 or three of them do that (our of 5 or 6) and the factory fixed them all for me. No problems since. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Ty Carter " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues Anyone out there running radios from Teletronics? We purchased 6 of them in January of this year and to date five of them have had to be replaced because of Ethernet issues... Anyone else having similar issue? -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
*NODS* I see fiber to business and industrial districts as well as fiber to towers. I see towers serving neighborhoods, not towns. Get those 60* sectors up in 5 gig and push some fiber to them! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant And this is why I planning a fiber roll out in my town. I can see the spectrum - bandwidth limitations of a pure wireless play and would like to be able to "run with the big dogs" When they start cranking up their stuff. George Mike Hammett wrote: BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
oh, by 5 gig, I mean 5.25 - 5.725 (excluding a hole towards the bottom). Plenty of spectrum to use 60* sectors with downtilt set to a mile or two. Not only will you be listening to a smaller horizontal plane, but you're likely to not even see a tower 4 miles away. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant *NODS* I see fiber to business and industrial districts as well as fiber to towers. I see towers serving neighborhoods, not towns. Get those 60* sectors up in 5 gig and push some fiber to them! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant And this is why I planning a fiber roll out in my town. I can see the spectrum - bandwidth limitations of a pure wireless play and would like to be able to "run with the big dogs" When they start cranking up their stuff. George Mike Hammett wrote: BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Atheros and Mikrotik
I have a few spare Atheros AG-621 miniPCI radio cards and was wondering if these where compatible with MikroTik software and Routerboard 133cs. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Sprint looking for WiMAX partner
Big news indeed and good weblink. >From an activist shareholder point of view; the other big factor in the Sprint-Nextel issue is the highly respected activist investor Mr. Ralph Whitworth. http://www.directorsforum.com/Bios/bio_whitworth.html Mr. Whitworth's company Relational Investors has a position of about $500 million or 1% of Sprint-Nextel stock and is a mighty voice in corporate governance and shareholder democracy. You can read about his strategies here: http://webreprints.djreprints.com/1656671510589.html http://gigaom.com/2007/04/12/sprints-own-activist-investor/ hool. The only comment I have is that I still think there is still a place WiMax/WiFi in the U.S. - especially in niche areas where data-centric niche applications are needed. Also in rural areas with NLOS conditions; applications there are rich data centric with voice. Finally, Mr. Whitworth's colleague Mr. David Batchelder is on the board of Washington Group International (an infrastructure engineering company) which just got purchased by URS, based in San Francisco. IN my opinion, specialized companies such as URS/Washington Group International have the project management wherewithal to deploy large scale WAN type WiMax/WiFi systems. Sprint is bogged down and needs capital for existing voice infrastructure. So maybe URS/WGI can help Clearwire. (Disclaimer: I don't own stock in Relational Investors LLC, or Sprint-Nextel; and all this information gleaned from the public domain). Felix US Citizen --- Steve Stroh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My take on this is at > http://www.bwianews.com/2007/06/clearwire_and_s.html > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > On 6/15/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/sprint_wimax_partner_061407/ > > > > -- > > Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, > Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > > FCC License # PG-12-25133 > > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > > Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying > License-Free Wireless WANs" > > True Vendor-Neutral Wireless > Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting > > FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and > Service Providers > > Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 > www.ask-wi.com > > > > -- > > Steve Stroh > 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > www.stevestroh.com > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/27/technology/broadband_ruling/ Why be a telco and comply with all of those silly tariffs that make you share your infrastructure at wholesale rates when you can just be a "broadband provider" and be the only came in town... like the cable-cos! ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant > Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is > because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? > Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? > > George > > Peter R. wrote: >> The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to >> the neighborhood. >> >> In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing >> it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). >> VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. >> And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy >> to sell. >> >> VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant >> in some areas. >> >> If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper >> replacement being done this year then ever before. >> >> - Peter >> >> Steve Stroh wrote: >> >>> Clint: >>> >>> No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few >>> hundred >>> feet to the premises. While they're not going to do >>> fiber-to-the-premises, >>> they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint >>> >> >> > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rental of Spectrum Analyzer?
Who can I rent a spec analyzer from? Does anyone know of rates? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rental of Spectrum Analyzer?
ElectroComm D. Ryan Spott wrote: Who can I rent a spec analyzer from? Does anyone know of rates? ryan -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rental of Spectrum Analyzer?
Marlon rents one. good price too. Ryan - Original Message Follows - From: Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rental of Spectrum Analyzer? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:37:48 -0400 > ElectroComm > > D. Ryan Spott wrote: > > Who can I rent a spec analyzer from? > > > > Does anyone know of rates? > > > > ryan > > > > > > -- > Scott Reed > Owner > NewWays > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation and Administration > www.nwwnet.net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues
Ty, We have used a number of them, and they have been working flawlessly in the field, with no complaints. Other than the fact that we have decided that we don't plan on installing anymore 2.4Ghz due to the noise floor, and that we do not have many application for basic Wifi gear. If interested, I have 5 more Teletronics units, new in the box, on the shelf, that I'd let go for 50 cents on the dollar. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Ty Carter " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues Anyone out there running radios from Teletronics? We purchased 6 of them in January of this year and to date five of them have had to be replaced because of Ethernet issues... Anyone else having similar issue? -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues
Tom: Thanks for the info and offer; however I may be willing to pay you $.50 on the $1 to take mine off my hands...:-) We have been quite frustrated with these units and their marked poor performance. When they are not rebooting the links work great; however with all the radio (all four of them) spontaneously rebooting and sometimes just simply going to sleep, we are getting ready to license the link and or look for another provider for this solution. Tech support doesn't seem to quite want to address our issues until I get really upset and ask to start talking to management about their products performance and support. They have continually told us, they can't understand why we are having these problems; and they have 100's of these deployed across the world and the only other client that was having these same issues was in Africa. They just sent us two new radios (completely different case and poe) one of the two of those just reboots whenever, even though the watchdog timer was disabled. We are at our wits end here Ty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues Ty, We have used a number of them, and they have been working flawlessly in the field, with no complaints. Other than the fact that we have decided that we don't plan on installing anymore 2.4Ghz due to the noise floor, and that we do not have many application for basic Wifi gear. If interested, I have 5 more Teletronics units, new in the box, on the shelf, that I'd let go for 50 cents on the dollar. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Ty Carter " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Teletronics TT2400X Radios and issues Anyone out there running radios from Teletronics? We purchased 6 of them in January of this year and to date five of them have had to be replaced because of Ethernet issues... Anyone else having similar issue? -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
