Re: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISPWebinar
You are there, of course. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISPWebinar Don't forget to add me to the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar Hello folks, We are conducting a Webinar on February 13 at 12 noon - 1 PM Pacific where we will reveal "What's New, What's Different" at Alvarion regarding the vital WISP business in North America*. It is going to be an exciting year -- perhaps unlike any we've ever had in the unlicensed business. If you'd like to join, send me a direct e-mail OFFLIST and I'll send you the details. With respect to this list, only those who ping me will be activated to join the Webinar at the start time. It will be an hour well spent and I hope to "see" you there. * Please, this Webinar is limited to WISPs based in the U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Respectfully, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. - Dear WISPA leaders, I was looking for the honchos to send a sponsored mail from us, but I have not seen it yet. So, I figured I drop the note and let Scriv bill me as appropriate (though a late Friday mail is less than ideal). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar
Don't forget to add me to the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar Hello folks, We are conducting a Webinar on February 13 at 12 noon - 1 PM Pacific where we will reveal "What's New, What's Different" at Alvarion regarding the vital WISP business in North America*. It is going to be an exciting year -- perhaps unlike any we've ever had in the unlicensed business. If you'd like to join, send me a direct e-mail OFFLIST and I'll send you the details. With respect to this list, only those who ping me will be activated to join the Webinar at the start time. It will be an hour well spent and I hope to "see" you there. * Please, this Webinar is limited to WISPs based in the U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Respectfully, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. - Dear WISPA leaders, I was looking for the honchos to send a sponsored mail from us, but I have not seen it yet. So, I figured I drop the note and let Scriv bill me as appropriate (though a late Friday mail is less than ideal). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar
Hello folks, We are conducting a Webinar on February 13 at 12 noon - 1 PM Pacific where we will reveal "What's New, What's Different" at Alvarion regarding the vital WISP business in North America*. It is going to be an exciting year -- perhaps unlike any we've ever had in the unlicensed business. If you'd like to join, send me a direct e-mail OFFLIST and I'll send you the details. With respect to this list, only those who ping me will be activated to join the Webinar at the start time. It will be an hour well spent and I hope to "see" you there. * Please, this Webinar is limited to WISPs based in the U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Respectfully, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. - Dear WISPA leaders, I was looking for the honchos to send a sponsored mail from us, but I have not seen it yet. So, I figured I drop the note and let Scriv bill me as appropriate (though a late Friday mail is less than ideal). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
They later corrected me that it does 23 mbit throughput max... the 15 was a "real world" example with clients of varying signal strengths and modulations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service) > and actually Aperto has 21 mb throughput on a 7mhz channel > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? >> >> If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to >> other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit >> throughput. >> >> I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's >> AN-80 >> is the only high quality product that actually has throughput >> capabilities. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks >> ToRollout New WiMAX Service) >> >> >> > IIRC, >> > >> > 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 >> > Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 >> > Watts EIRP ... >> > >> > >> > Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why >> > >> > Airspan certification does get really close to it >> > >> > Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) >> > >> > Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels >> > >> > >> > Gino A. Villarini >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> > Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To >> > Rollout New WiMAX Service) >> > >> > As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I >> > switch the subject line to match the tread. >> > >> > Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. >> > However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear >> > certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this >> > reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural >> > markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural >> > market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. >> > Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified >> > for >> > >> > 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not >> > able >> > >> > to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout >> > process. >> > >> > I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the >> > FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity >> > for operators to provide services using 3.65. >> > >> > -Matt >> > >> > Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC >> >> limitations. >> >> >> >> My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear >> > can do >> >> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. >> >> >> >> The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* >> >> sector, only about 5 miles. >> >> >> >> I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it >> > isn't >> >> because the power isn't there. >> >> >> >> The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small >> >> channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support >> > higher >> >> throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets >> > about 15 >> >> megs of throughput with WiMax. >> >> >> >> Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to >> > the >> >> power. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> > >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> > >
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
I thought that was only for being forced to the bottom 25 MHz. If that's the case, why can Airspan's WiMax work at "full power"? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service) > This is due to the fact that they dont have the contention protocol. > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:56:49 -0500, "Mike Cowan" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Not sure why but the FCC dinged Redline 10DB of tx power due average >> vs peak power calculations. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> At 12:26 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >> >IIRC, >> > >> >3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 >> >Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 >> >Watts EIRP ... >> > >> > >> >Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why >> > >> >Airspan certification does get really close to it >> > >> >Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) >> > >> >Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels >> > >> > >> >Gino A. Villarini >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> >tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> Mike Cowan >> Wireless Connections >> A Division of ACC >> 166 Milan Ave >> Norwalk, OH 44857 >> 419-660-6100 >> 419-706-7348 Cell >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.wirelessconnections.net >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] USF
Here's your chance to actually do something about it: Universal Service at the Commission Word on the street is that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) will soon put out for comment the Joint Board's Recommendation on Long-Term USF Reform. You may recall, the Joint Board submitted its recommendation to the FCC last November. Highlights of the recommendation were the creation of three separate funds - Broadband Fund, Mobility Fund, and Provider of Last Resort (POLR). The Joint Board also recommended eliminating the identical support rule. The FCC is also expected to release two other items for comment as well - a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on eliminating the identical support rule and a second NPRM on reverse auctions. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution
We personally use Merakmail, a Windows based product, and love it. But before we selected it, we had worked with "Surgemail" that operates on Linux systems, which we felt was excellent. It was a good compromise for someone wanting a commercially supported product, but with the benefits and costs of open source. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution > If you are not a Linux guru, this script set is very easy to follow: > >www.qmailrocks.org > > It gets you Qmail, virtual email domains, squirrel mail, domain email > controls, spamassassin, clamav, etc, etc. > > David > > On 1/24/08 11:00 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Postfix >> Cyrus IMAP or Courier IMAP >> amavisd with ClamAV and SpamAssassin >> The only webmail I have messed with is Squirrelmail and while it works >> the stable version is non-javascript by design so it is very plain Jane. >> >> Sam Tetherow >> Sandhills Wireless >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all >>> of >>> my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me and >>> I'd >>> like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd >>> integrate >>> Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server recommendations from him, but I >>> come >>> here looking for recommendations for a mail system to include things >>> like >>> SMTP, IMAP, SSL, webmail, antivirus, antispam, etc. >>> >>> I currently use QMail and it would be nice if I could migrate old mail >>> and >>> mail accounts over. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
Jeff, This is incorrect about Airspan joining as a vendor member. I do however invite their participation in WISPA and I hope that they do join. I have not even seen a request for membership or an invoice sent to them yet. If they are interested in joining, have the "person in the know" contact me or go on the WISPA homepage and fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org/wispa-newacct.html. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeffrey thomas Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service) All, Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in 3.65. I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your coverage area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible, according to their calculator tool. outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single piece qty- talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that sent me private mails asking them to join. - Jeff On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? > > If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to > other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit > throughput. > > I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's > AN-80 > is the only high quality product that actually has throughput > capabilities. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks > ToRollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > IIRC, > > > > 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 > > Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 > > Watts EIRP ... > > > > > > Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why > > > > Airspan certification does get really close to it > > > > Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) > > > > Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To > > Rollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I > > switch the subject line to match the tread. > > > > Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. > > However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear > > certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this > > reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural > > markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural > > market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. > > Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for > > > > 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able > > > > to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout > > process. > > > > I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the > > FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity > > for operators to provide services using 3.65. > > > > -Matt > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC > >> limitations. > >> > >> My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear > > can do > >> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. > >> > >> The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* > >> sector, only about 5 miles. > >> > >> I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it > > isn't > >> because the power isn't there. > >> > >> The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small > >> channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support > > higher > >> throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets > > about 15 > >> megs of throughput with WiMax. > >> > >> Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to > > the > >> power. > > > > > > -
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
I'm sorry guys. Price was not discussed. A quote will be delivered to me shortly. I will post cost as soon as I see it. I'm hoping early next week. I do have a sales order for one Redline RedMAX base station with outdoor CPE if anyone is interested...offlist. FYI...I'm not in any shape or form affiliated with Airspan or Redline. We are an Internet Service Provider serving the greater Midwestern Kansas. Eric Muehleisen Sr. Internet Technology Specialist Nex-Tech - Lightning Jack 785.625.7070 office 785.621.2980 voip George Rogato wrote: > Only thing I want to know is the price range, offlist if you must. But > I'm sure everyone is curious. > > Thanks > > George > > Eric Muehleisen wrote: > >> We just completed a demo of Airspan's Hipermax in Emporia, Kansas >> yesterday. Stutler Technologies hosted us as they are one of the largest >> systems integrators for Airspan. I must say that I was very impressed >> with it's NLOS performance. We tested both the indoor self install and >> the outdoor ST Pro CPE. We achieve 6mb/s indoor at 2 miles NLOS. The >> base station was a 1 sector install using diversity at approximately. >> 50ft up on tower using 120 degree sectors. >> >> Email me offlist if you'd like more info and whitepapers from our testing. >> >> -Eric >> >> jeffrey thomas wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> >>> Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in >>> 3.65. >>> I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their >>> "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. >>> >>> Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your >>> coverage >>> area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible, >>> according >>> to their calculator tool. outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single >>> piece qty- >>> talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. >>> >>> BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that >>> sent me private mails asking them to join. >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> >>> So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit throughput. I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's AN-80 is the only high quality product that actually has throughput capabilities. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service) > IIRC, > > 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 > Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 > Watts EIRP ... > > > Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why > > Airspan certification does get really close to it > > Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) > > Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To > Rollout New WiMAX Service) > > As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I > switch the subject line to match the tread. > > Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. > However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear > certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this > reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural > markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural > market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. > Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for > > 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able > > to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout > process. > > I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the > FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity > for operators to provide services using 3.65. > > -Matt >>>
Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central
Don't get suckered into giving that number to anybody... If you want to use the service forward a number you actually control, otherwise they've got you hooked when they finally start charging. Also, Beta + Free = "not guaranteed to work" so if you control the number you can route it somewhere else. Michael Prachar - COO Voice: (1) 510-758-2002 PST (GMT -8 Hrs.) Fax: (1) 402-392-7585 (Anytime) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central So is anyone using Grand Central? I just signed up and they gave me a free local number. George Rogato wrote: > http://www.grandcentral.com/ > -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
Only thing I want to know is the price range, offlist if you must. But I'm sure everyone is curious. Thanks George Eric Muehleisen wrote: > We just completed a demo of Airspan's Hipermax in Emporia, Kansas > yesterday. Stutler Technologies hosted us as they are one of the largest > systems integrators for Airspan. I must say that I was very impressed > with it's NLOS performance. We tested both the indoor self install and > the outdoor ST Pro CPE. We achieve 6mb/s indoor at 2 miles NLOS. The > base station was a 1 sector install using diversity at approximately. > 50ft up on tower using 120 degree sectors. > > Email me offlist if you'd like more info and whitepapers from our testing. > > -Eric > > jeffrey thomas wrote: >> All, >> >> >> Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in >> 3.65. >> I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their >> "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. >> >> Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your >> coverage >> area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible, >> according >> to their calculator tool. outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single >> piece qty- >> talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. >> >> BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that >> sent me private mails asking them to join. >> >> >> - >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >>> So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? >>> >>> If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to >>> other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit >>> throughput. >>> >>> I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's >>> AN-80 >>> is the only high quality product that actually has throughput >>> capabilities. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks >>> ToRollout New WiMAX Service) >>> >>> >>> IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service) As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I switch the subject line to match the tread. Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout process. I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity for operators to provide services using 3.65. -Matt Mike Hammett wrote: > The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC > limitations. > > My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear > can do > coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. > > The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* > sector, only about 5 miles. > > I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it > isn't > because the power isn't there. > > The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small > channels. If there were larg
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
We just completed a demo of Airspan's Hipermax in Emporia, Kansas yesterday. Stutler Technologies hosted us as they are one of the largest systems integrators for Airspan. I must say that I was very impressed with it's NLOS performance. We tested both the indoor self install and the outdoor ST Pro CPE. We achieve 6mb/s indoor at 2 miles NLOS. The base station was a 1 sector install using diversity at approximately. 50ft up on tower using 120 degree sectors. Email me offlist if you'd like more info and whitepapers from our testing. -Eric jeffrey thomas wrote: > All, > > > Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in > 3.65. > I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their > "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. > > Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your > coverage > area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible, > according > to their calculator tool. outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single > piece qty- > talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. > > BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that > sent me private mails asking them to join. > > > - > > Jeff > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? >> >> If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to >> other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit >> throughput. >> >> I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's >> AN-80 >> is the only high quality product that actually has throughput >> capabilities. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks >> ToRollout New WiMAX Service) >> >> >> >>> IIRC, >>> >>> 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 >>> Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 >>> Watts EIRP ... >>> >>> >>> Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why >>> >>> Airspan certification does get really close to it >>> >>> Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) >>> >>> Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To >>> Rollout New WiMAX Service) >>> >>> As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I >>> switch the subject line to match the tread. >>> >>> Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. >>> However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear >>> certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this >>> reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural >>> markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural >>> market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. >>> Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for >>> >>> 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able >>> >>> to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout >>> process. >>> >>> I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the >>> FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity >>> for operators to provide services using 3.65. >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC limitations. My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear >>> can do >>> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* sector, only about 5 miles. I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it >>> isn't >>> because the power isn't there. The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support >>> higher >>> throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets >>> about 15 >>> megs of throughput with WiMax. Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due t
Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central
So is anyone using Grand Central? I just signed up and they gave me a free local number. George Rogato wrote: > http://www.grandcentral.com/ > -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
correct On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:15:18 -0400, "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I thought it was > > Airspan 5 mhz channel: 4.07 w > 10 mhz channel 7.24 w > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > Wow- Thats a huge difference. > For those that don't want to pull up the link... > > Redline: 25Mhz ch: 1.3w > AirSpan: 20Mhz ch: 4.07 w > AirSpan: 15Mhz ch: 7.24 w > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > and the Redline grant: > > > > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP > Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=549096&fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA > > > > So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > > >> Airspan grant: > >> > >> > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP > >> Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=686827&fcc_id=O2J-365T > >> > >> Gino A. Villarini > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > >> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >> > >> Mike, > >> > >> Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your > >> position. > >> I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my > >> mind > >> the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. > >> > >> To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar > >> with, do > >> not have that same limitation. > >> Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond > >> accurately. > >> > >> But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor > by > >> > >> 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their > designs. > >> > >> Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power > >> for > >> wider channels? > >> > >> I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, > which > >> > >> could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. > >> But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array > antennas, > >> that > >> rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and > >> interfere less. > >> In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those > >> who > >> strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being > more > >> > >> efficient. > >> There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum > >> ediquete. > >> > >> Tom DeReggi > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >> > >> > >>> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed > >> documents. > >>> It just doesn't have the power. > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >>> > >>> > Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. > You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS > features. > In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. > > I think its important to define country. If you are talking about > >> Idaho > with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less > is > >> the > better option. > But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where > 3 > >> 6Mhz > channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to > acheive > high modulati
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
Bear in mind everyone- the Airspan product is also about 2x the price of redline on base. Its ultimately designed for zero truck roll mobility for indoor 2km cells ( and works, Im actually sitting in Airspan's boca facility right now, getting training on Hipermax ) You could as well use it for fixed NLOS. Personally I would wait on the mobility until they release software version 8 which includes 2x2 mimo matrix A / B / S0FDMA 1024. it looks pretty damn sweet. ill keep everyone posted as we have 4-5 customers rolling networks this quarter. ( we dont however sell direct, via channel partners ) I love their new USB modems, sub 200.00 in massive QTY I AM ultimately excited the most about the fixed oppty, with super rad long range fixed coverage in NLOS. - Jeff On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:28 -0600, "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > and the Redline grant: > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=549096&fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA > > So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > Airspan grant: > > > > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP > > Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=686827&fcc_id=O2J-365T > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > Mike, > > > > Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your > > position. > > I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my > > mind > > the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. > > > > To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar > > with, do > > not have that same limitation. > > Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond > > accurately. > > > > But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by > > > > 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. > > > > Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power > > for > > wider channels? > > > > I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which > > > > could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. > > But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, > > that > > rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and > > interfere less. > > In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those > > who > > strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more > > > > efficient. > > There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum > > ediquete. > > > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > > >> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed > > documents. > >> It just doesn't have the power. > >> > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >> > >> > >>> Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. > >>> You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. > >>> In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. > >>> > >>> I think its important to define country. If you are talking about > > Idaho > >>> with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is > > the > >>> better option. > >>> But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 > > 6Mhz > >>> channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to > >>> acheive > >>> high modulations because its noise free. > >>> > >>> Tom DeReggi > >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One R
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
and actually Aperto has 21 mb throughput on a 7mhz channel On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? > > If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to > other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit > throughput. > > I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's > AN-80 > is the only high quality product that actually has throughput > capabilities. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks > ToRollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > IIRC, > > > > 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 > > Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 > > Watts EIRP ... > > > > > > Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why > > > > Airspan certification does get really close to it > > > > Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) > > > > Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To > > Rollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I > > switch the subject line to match the tread. > > > > Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. > > However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear > > certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this > > reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural > > markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural > > market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. > > Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for > > > > 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able > > > > to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout > > process. > > > > I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the > > FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity > > for operators to provide services using 3.65. > > > > -Matt > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC > >> limitations. > >> > >> My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear > > can do > >> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. > >> > >> The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* > >> sector, only about 5 miles. > >> > >> I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it > > isn't > >> because the power isn't there. > >> > >> The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small > >> channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support > > higher > >> throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets > > about 15 > >> megs of throughput with WiMax. > >> > >> Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to > > the > >> power. > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
All, Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in 3.65. I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your coverage area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible, according to their calculator tool. outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single piece qty- talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that sent me private mails asking them to join. - Jeff On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)? > > If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to > other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit > throughput. > > I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's > AN-80 > is the only high quality product that actually has throughput > capabilities. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks > ToRollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > IIRC, > > > > 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 > > Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 > > Watts EIRP ... > > > > > > Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why > > > > Airspan certification does get really close to it > > > > Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) > > > > Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To > > Rollout New WiMAX Service) > > > > As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I > > switch the subject line to match the tread. > > > > Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. > > However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear > > certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this > > reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural > > markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural > > market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. > > Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for > > > > 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able > > > > to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout > > process. > > > > I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the > > FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity > > for operators to provide services using 3.65. > > > > -Matt > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC > >> limitations. > >> > >> My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear > > can do > >> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. > >> > >> The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* > >> sector, only about 5 miles. > >> > >> I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it > > isn't > >> because the power isn't there. > >> > >> The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small > >> channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support > > higher > >> throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets > > about 15 > >> megs of throughput with WiMax. > >> > >> Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to > > the > >> power. > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Sub
Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution
We LOVE courier. Talon CC set up a very user friendly gui for us too. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution > Postfix > Cyrus IMAP or Courier IMAP > amavisd with ClamAV and SpamAssassin > The only webmail I have messed with is Squirrelmail and while it works > the stable version is non-javascript by design so it is very plain Jane. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all >> of my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me >> and I'd like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd >> integrate Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server recommendations from >> him, but I come here looking for recommendations for a mail system to >> include things like SMTP, IMAP, SSL, webmail, antivirus, antispam, etc. >> >> I currently use QMail and it would be nice if I could migrate old mail >> and mail accounts over. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
This is due to the fact that they dont have the contention protocol. On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:56:49 -0500, "Mike Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Not sure why but the FCC dinged Redline 10DB of tx power due average > vs peak power calculations. > > Mike > > > > At 12:26 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: > >IIRC, > > > >3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 > >Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 > >Watts EIRP ... > > > > > >Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why > > > >Airspan certification does get really close to it > > > >Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) > > > >Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels > > > > > >Gino A. Villarini > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > Mike Cowan > Wireless Connections > A Division of ACC > 166 Milan Ave > Norwalk, OH 44857 > 419-660-6100 > 419-706-7348 Cell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.wirelessconnections.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution
If you are not a Linux guru, this script set is very easy to follow: www.qmailrocks.org It gets you Qmail, virtual email domains, squirrel mail, domain email controls, spamassassin, clamav, etc, etc. David On 1/24/08 11:00 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Postfix > Cyrus IMAP or Courier IMAP > amavisd with ClamAV and SpamAssassin > The only webmail I have messed with is Squirrelmail and while it works > the stable version is non-javascript by design so it is very plain Jane. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all of >> my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me and I'd >> like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd integrate >> Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server recommendations from him, but I come >> here looking for recommendations for a mail system to include things like >> SMTP, IMAP, SSL, webmail, antivirus, antispam, etc. >> >> I currently use QMail and it would be nice if I could migrate old mail and >> mail accounts over. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
