[WISPA] [Fwd: Music Industry Proposes a Piracy Surcharge on ISPs]
Interesting articles regarding file sharing. Who would actually make sure we pay and who would we be paying to? http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2008/03/music_levy?currentPage=all; http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3353387.ece WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the rated output at comparable wind speeds. The curve is probably based on sea level air density. The plus side is that you may be in the clouds part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture. -- Travis Johnson wrote: I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind turbine to keep things running. We had a site that was on a 9500ft mountaintop that showed a 15mph wind average (over the entire year). We put up two 400 watt turbines and had 10 or 12 batteries (100ah). We only had 5 radios total (trango) and a small 5 port 12v switch. The site would stay up for about 3-4 days before we had to go start the generator. I think our total draw was under 80 watts for everything. You need to take a look at the Bergey wind turbines. They are expensive, but they work really well. However, you can NOT mount them on the top of a Rohn type tower... their mounting pipe has to be exact, and if it's off by even 1/8, the whole thing will eventually vibrate itself apart. Spend the extra $500 and buy their recommended mounting tower system. Travis Microserv JohnnyO wrote: Cameron - unless you have CONSTANT wind, you are going to be seriously underpowered. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments. We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango 900 Sector. We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25 watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is like 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power consumption. -Cameron I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a off grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have been looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and solar power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to have a complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere, but in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design. Questions: 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful? 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package would have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not) 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP? 4. Other Comments? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only!
roflmao! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Cliff LeBoeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only! I have compiled a Master Reference binder. Inside this binder you will find solutions to everyday ISPs problems. If you are having problems with the FCC, difficulty dealing with customers, having billing problems, service problems, or any kind of problem, please come and get the red binder and it will help you through your issue. Use the red binder for all issues...it is guaranteed to make you stress-free and relaxed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] waverider power supplies
Im looking for some power supplies for WR eum 3003 and 3004. If you know where I can find some hit me offlist. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
I think Paul Gipe is a respected name in wind. I was looking at his site over the weekend, he has an older review of the Air-X, he seemed to think it should really be rated as a 200 watt generator. http://www.wind-works.org/articles/sm_AirXtest.html (I see the company has a newer model out now called the Air Breeze, rated at 200watts) He also links to another test site: http://www.detronics.net/ airx_report.pdfThey have another report that lists the advantages of running a combination of wind+solar to balance things out over the year. But I think this is highly variable, depending on an area's sunshine and windspeed. -- Lucaya has complicated things for me by requiring 48V on their new radios. (I was just going to run radios directly off 24V batteries) Does anyone know about the Powerstream PST-DC2448 (converts DC 24 - 48V) http://www.powerstream.com/dc12-48.htm Or suggestions on other reasonable ways to keep radios running for several days of no power? All my sites have grid power so far, I've decided that my best investment is in batteries. On March 18, at 11:32 AM March 18, Steve wrote: At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the rated output at comparable wind speeds. The curve is probably based on sea level air density. The plus side is that you may be in the clouds part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture. -- Travis Johnson wrote: I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind turbine to keep things running. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Router Wars '08
Joshua Rowe wrote: This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. Example: For three years, my core router was a cheap rackmount PC running Mikrotik's RouterOS on a flash card. That server cost about $1000 when bought, and replaced a Cisco 3640 that originally cost over $10,000 but couldn't handle the load of my growing network. Despite Cisco's performance claims, the poor thing couldn't really handle more than about 10Mbps of constant traffic with a single BGP peer. The only reason the Mikrotik got replaced was because of CALEA issues (this was early last year, before Mikrotik added a CALEA package to their software). Its replacement was an Imagestream Rebel, which again was about 1/5 the cost of a comparably-specced Cisco 3700 series. (And yes, this was through a Cisco reseller, not list price, we all know that nobody ever pays Cisco list price unless they're mad.) I like Cisco gear, really I do. I love the fact that everything uses essentially the same command set, and that you can do pretty much anything with a Cisco of some sort. I still have a few older routers (for T1s) and a number of their switches in my NOC. However, for many smaller networks on a budget, there are plenty of alternatives that will work just as well, if not better. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
I would trust MT all the way! MT all the way! I know MANY MANY MANY WISPs, with thousands and thousands of clients running on Mikrotik! Joshua Rowe wrote: This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- *Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc WISP/Network Support Solutions +01 314-686-1302* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Joshua Rowe wrote: This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. So what do you run at your core? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. That is usually the argument, but it does beg the question. If money wasn't factor would you prefer Cisco? Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
Got another one for sale? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08 On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. That is usually the argument, but it does beg the question. If money wasn't factor would you prefer Cisco? Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
Hi Matt, I generally stay out of these things, but I have some questions in order to answer your question: 1. You are referring to used Cisco pricing, right? 2. How much throughput do you require the router to handle? 3. How much are you paying for support? If you need less than 100 Megs (full duplex) of overall throughput, and it's Ethernet only, you can do this with the ImageStream Rebel router with a year of support/warranty for less than $3K. In addition, we offer our CALEA solution (which will become the WISPA CALEA Standard once it is done) on the router for no additional cost. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08 On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. That is usually the argument, but it does beg the question. If money wasn't factor would you prefer Cisco? Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
I have access to a large source. Hit me offlist with what you need. -Matt On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Got another one for sale? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08 On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. That is usually the argument, but it does beg the question. If money wasn't factor would you prefer Cisco? Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by One Ring Networks, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
Matt Liotta wrote: Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? Where are you getting your gear? That's roughly 90% less than any price I've ever been quoted. Heck, that's cheaper than a lot of the used units on eBay - and that's just empty chassis, not even including line cards. Are you sure you didn't leave out a zero in there somewhere? (You wouldn't use the pricing of used gear instead of new to try to make your point, would you? :P ) As an aside, a serious question for those who buy/use used Cisco gear. My understanding is that IOS licenses are tied not just to the hardware, but also to the purchaser thereof, and are non-transferable. Thus, if you buy a used Cisco (anything) you aren't supposed to use it without contacting Cisco and paying for IOS. (Not just for access to updates, but to even boot your chosen device, you're technically required to give Cisco some money.) Did this ever change? (Also, Matt: if you seriously are getting GSR 12000s and IOS for that cheap, email me offlist, I'm genuinely intrigued.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Matt, I generally stay out of these things, but I have some questions in order to answer your question: 1. You are referring to used Cisco pricing, right? Yes 2. How much throughput do you require the router to handle? Gigs 3. How much are you paying for support? No If you need less than 100 Megs (full duplex) of overall throughput, and it's Ethernet only, you can do this with the ImageStream Rebel router with a year of support/warranty for less than $3K. In addition, we offer our CALEA solution (which will become the WISPA CALEA Standard once it is done) on the router for no additional cost. I don't believe you sell a router in the same class as the 12008. Not trying to be mean or anything, but I looked on your site and didn't see anything. Regardless, we have hundreds of Cisco routers in our network and have no plans for changing to another vendor. It is simply easier to hire Cisco engineers than any other brand. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: INNOVATION - The Square Watermelon
Amen Cliff!. When I was in the Navy reserves we used to show up to active duty commands and show them new ways to do things all of the time. In most cases they had been trained by career Navy people before them who had never seen any other way to accomplish something. As a reservist we used to ask Why do you do it this way? and the standard answer was We have always done it this way. Habits are powerful things and can really affect our thought process. Sometimes a group discussion about a problem is a great thing especially when you put the rule out that ANY idea will be considered. While some ideas may start out sounding crazy, they can often be refined to a workable solution. Thanks for posting this. I hope it inspires an already innovative group of people to achieve even better things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cliff LeBoeuf Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FW: INNOVATION - The Square Watermelon Lessons of the Square Watermelon Japanese grocery stores had a problem. They are much smaller than their US counterparts and therefore don't have room to waste. Watermelons, big and round, wasted a lot of space. Most people would simply tell the grocery stores that watermelons grow round and there is nothing that can be done about it. That is how the vast majority of people would respond. But some Japanese farmers took a different approach. If the supermarkets wanted a square watermelon, they asked themselves, How can we provide one? It wasn't long before they invented the square watermelon. http://www.financialhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/square-watermellon s.png The solution to the problem of round watermelons wasn't nearly as difficult to solve for those who didn't assume the problem was impossible to begin with and simply asked how it could be done. It turns out that all you need to do is place them into a square box when they are growing and the watermelon will take on the shape of the box. http://www.financialhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/square-watermelons .png This made the grocery stores happy and had the added benefit that it was much easier and cost effective to ship the watermelons. Consumers also loved them because they took less space in their refrigerators which are much smaller than those in the US meaning that the growers could charge a premium price for them. http://www.financialhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/square-watermelons -2.png What does this have do with anything besides square watermelons? There are a few lessons that can you can take away from this story which help you in all parts of your life. Here are a few of them: Don't Assume: The major problem was that most people had always seen round watermelons so they automatically assumed that square watermelons were impossible before even thinking about the question. Things that you have been doing a certain way your entire life have taken on the aura of the round watermelon and you likely don't even take the time to consider if there is another way to do it. Breaking yourself from assuming this way can greatly improve your overall life as you are constantly looking for new and better ways to do things. Question habits: The best way to tackle these assumptions is to question your habits. If you can make an effort to question the way you do things on a consistent basis, you will find that you can continually improve the way that you live your life. Forming habits when they have been well thought out is usually a positive thing, but most of us have adopted our habits from various people and places without even thinking about them. It's a never ending process, but by doing this, you can consistently strive toward making all aspects of your life more enjoyable instead of defaulting to what you have now. Be creative: When faced with a problem, be creative in looking for a solution. This often requires thinking outside the box. Most people who viewed this question likely thought they were being asked how they could genetically alter water melons to grow square which would be a much more difficult process to accomplish. By looking at the question from an alternative perspective, however, the solution was quite simple. Being creative and looking at things in different ways in all portions of your live will help you find solutions to many problems where others can't see them. Look for a better way: The square watermelon question was simply seeking a better and more convenient way to do something. The stores had flagged a problem they were having and asked if a solution was possible. It's impossible to find a better way if you are never asking the question in the first place. Get into the habit of asking yourself, Is there a better way I could be doing this? and you will find there often is. Impossibilities often aren't: If you begin with the notion that
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:11 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Where are you getting your gear? That's roughly 90% less than any price I've ever been quoted. Heck, that's cheaper than a lot of the used units on eBay - and that's just empty chassis, not even including line cards. Are you sure you didn't leave out a zero in there somewhere? That is a real number. I'm a savvy shopper. ;) (You wouldn't use the pricing of used gear instead of new to try to make your point, would you? :P ) Of course it is used. Cisco EOLed the 12008 some time ago. As an aside, a serious question for those who buy/use used Cisco gear. My understanding is that IOS licenses are tied not just to the hardware, but also to the purchaser thereof, and are non-transferable. Thus, if you buy a used Cisco (anything) you aren't supposed to use it without contacting Cisco and paying for IOS. (Not just for access to updates, but to even boot your chosen device, you're technically required to give Cisco some money.) Did this ever change? That is a complicated question. The simplest answer I can give you is that we don't use the IOS that comes with the used gear. I would say in general that if your shop doesn't have significant experience with Cisco in general you can likely get burned buying used Cisco gear. There is even the whole counterfeit problem you have to watch out for. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] White label voip
Someone was just offering whaite label voip for 12.00 per month here at wispa. Who? I'm interested in learning more WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
Yes, I would. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: INNOVATION - The Square Watermelon
Square Watermelons? What about square pumpkins? Think of the Jack O' Lantern possibilities. If the average American family is 3.14 people, that same family need only buy one pumpkin and everybody gets to carve their own side. That's it - this year Im plowing up all my towers and planting square pumpkins... c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need Access
I have a customer that has moved to the Tulas, OK area and needs access. She is just outside western Tulsa near Sapulpa. She is just outside the range Cable and DSL is unhappy with Satellite. If anyone services this area or know of someone that does please contact me and I will refer her to you. Jory Privett WCCS WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
We already do. Imagestream and Mikrotik for over 2 years. 0 downtime and hot spares in the rack. :) Travis Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I would. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- --- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
I think it also depends on your application. The people asking and answering these questions may be apples and oranges. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS We already do. Imagestream and Mikrotik for over 2 years. 0 downtime and hot spares in the rack. :) Travis Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I would. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- --- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
I think it also depends on your application. The people asking and answering these questions may be apples and oranges. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS We already do. Imagestream and Mikrotik for over 2 years. 0 downtime and hot spares in the rack. :) Travis Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I would. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the pretty GUI would make a good impression, but then 24hours later I had to pull it because there was no way for me to test the performance of the link remotely, easilly for my specific situation. I needed Iperf on the router. It was a better choice to use a standard Linux system, basic native routing, because it also enabled Iperf. MT and STAROS are two nice products, but this discussion doesn't stop there. For example ImageStream, even though a bit more expensive, they provide an Open system. Their OS is maintained and preloaded with a few bells and whistles. But you CAN LOAD your own code ALSO. Then there is Voyeta. Its based on 2.6 Kernal of Linux, and its 100% open source, and give the security of using a maintained OS (for example BGP and QUAGGA fixes). But you can pay extra for maintenance and quicker updates. MT and STARTOS, will stay winners for high end WIFI Radio CPE and APs. But when it comes to Core Routers, to stay competitive, they really need to open the platform, and allow third party modules to be loaded by owners or developers. Sure, there is the arguement that CISCO DOESNT DO THAT, but they aren't Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- --- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
FYI we had a 11-28vDC input to 48vDC output unit made for the wind/solar power design: http://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_34/product s_id/247 While there is some energy loss in the conversion the overall cost and quality of a 12vDC works out better than using a pure 48vDC when you consider one could use this design to power other non-48vDC systems. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments. I think Paul Gipe is a respected name in wind. I was looking at his site over the weekend, he has an older review of the Air-X, he seemed to think it should really be rated as a 200 watt generator. http://www.wind-works.org/articles/sm_AirXtest.html (I see the company has a newer model out now called the Air Breeze, rated at 200watts) He also links to another test site: http://www.detronics.net/ airx_report.pdfThey have another report that lists the advantages of running a combination of wind+solar to balance things out over the year. But I think this is highly variable, depending on an area's sunshine and windspeed. -- Lucaya has complicated things for me by requiring 48V on their new radios. (I was just going to run radios directly off 24V batteries) Does anyone know about the Powerstream PST-DC2448 (converts DC 24 - 48V) http://www.powerstream.com/dc12-48.htm Or suggestions on other reasonable ways to keep radios running for several days of no power? All my sites have grid power so far, I've decided that my best investment is in batteries. On March 18, at 11:32 AM March 18, Steve wrote: At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the rated output at comparable wind speeds. The curve is probably based on sea level air density. The plus side is that you may be in the clouds part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture. -- Travis Johnson wrote: I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind turbine to keep things running. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Radome
Why would I use a radome on a dish? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radome
ICE... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radome Why would I use a radome on a dish? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radome
Ice. Reduce wind load. Aesthetics. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radome ICE... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radome Why would I use a radome on a dish? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radome
Lower wind loading, ice shedding, pattern retention during ice and freezing rain, protection of the feed from the elements and critters, aesthetics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radome Why would I use a radome on a dish? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radome
Birds, kids with bb guns, kids with rocks Mike Goicoechea -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radome ICE... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radome Why would I use a radome on a dish? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XR9 rubber duckys
I don't see that it's bulkhead but I'll give them a call tomorrow. Thanx Jim Blair Davis wrote: Maybe part # MCA100FSMAMMRA1 at hutton? http://www.hol4g.com/ac/product.aspx?number=MAX-MCA100FSMAMMRA1p=182191sc=3715 Blair Jim Patient wrote: I need to do some indoor 900MHz clients and am having a hard time putting them together. I found SMA male 3dB RD's but can't seem to chase down any MMCX/SMA female bulked pigtails. Anyone know of such a beast? I'm open to suggestions for any indoor omni that I can put on an XR9 in a MT indoor box. Thanx Jim 314-565-6863 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing used prices with others new prices, if the used gear potentially has a reputation of a longer life span due to quality engineering, or a good aftermarket repair channel.. The downfalls I see are most people can't find that caliber (12000 series) gear for $3k used, or for that matter any MPLS gear used. There is little need to liquidate MPLS gear under market value. Availabilty isn't as predictable. What happpens when the 12000 series gear goes down, and one needs an immediate replacement, will they have to fork our $30K to get it fixed over night? So if quoting used, it should be a used product that likely would have several consistent sources in the open market, to be a fair comparison. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08 Matt Liotta wrote: Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? Where are you getting your gear? That's roughly 90% less than any price I've ever been quoted. Heck, that's cheaper than a lot of the used units on eBay - and that's just empty chassis, not even including line cards. Are you sure you didn't leave out a zero in there somewhere? (You wouldn't use the pricing of used gear instead of new to try to make your point, would you? :P ) As an aside, a serious question for those who buy/use used Cisco gear. My understanding is that IOS licenses are tied not just to the hardware, but also to the purchaser thereof, and are non-transferable. Thus, if you buy a used Cisco (anything) you aren't supposed to use it without contacting Cisco and paying for IOS. (Not just for access to updates, but to even boot your chosen device, you're technically required to give Cisco some money.) Did this ever change? (Also, Matt: if you seriously are getting GSR 12000s and IOS for that cheap, email me offlist, I'm genuinely intrigued.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
Disclaimer... I currently do not use Cisco. I use Linux routers and SMC switches. Its been working out well for me. But I understand the Cisco value. It has NOTHING to do with hardware or performance. It has to do with predictabilty and documentation. It has to do with name recognition and availability. It has to do with accountability. Its nice to go into the local book store, and be guaranteed you can find a page telling you line for line exactly what to type to solve a problem. Its nice to put out an add, and know that 50% of the candidates have the Cisco background behind them, to start out with a common understanding. There is something to be said for making a sale, placing an order, and not having to look back. There becomes a point in every ISP's growth, that they start to realize that they need these things to get to the next level. Its something Cisco has promised, and something Cisco has delivered consistently for decades. Its the reason we recently have been looking towards Cisco, even if used. To get that peice of mind. However, there is a reason we are still using Linux. And the reason is... The grass always appears greener on the other side, but is it really? Can Cisco really deliver all this better than Linux? And is it worth the price they ask? Its not all good, Cisco has their challenges to. Cost justification is a big concern. But more so the Linux boxes hands down, outperform the Cisco, for anything under GB ports. If its working, its hard to walk away from that. I can put in 10 brand new self made routers, capable of supporting GigE backbones, for less than a single new Cisco MPLS switch. Can I afford to pass up that competitive advantage? Wouldn't I rather put the $10K into a new Licensed Radio? Those are the questions I ask myself. But it always comes back full circle, can I trust non-Cisco, if I want to represent myself as an equivellent provider with the LECs? But more importantly its the question that your upstream and your clients asks you. Can they trust you, with Non-Cisco. Thats the question the ISP has to be able to answer. What I like seeing, is this starting to change. I like seeing companies like Novell and IBM buying into Linux platforms, like they are doing. I like seeing companies like the ones we have talked about here, (Imagestream, MT, Voyetra) Raising the bar, trying to get closer to what Cisco is. I don't have the answers. But the question is asked, everytime I spend a dollar. And most importantly, its the question that Non-Cisco router makers have to have the answer for, in practice. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS Yes, I would. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS This should maybe be a new thread, and I'm not sure Tom is making this point or not,, but I agree, would you trust your CORE to anything but Cisco? I'm not sure I would. Josh -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? I'll add that both platforms have the same flaw. They use OpenSource, but then close the system. Seems kind of opposite the purpose. On a possitive note, I have to say, Mikrotik has really innovated their platform, with a lot of their own code and solutions, to solve problems that couldn't be solved using the previous alternative popular open source apps usually used for those purposes. My hats goes off to them. But the risk that keeps popping up is... They aren't Cisco, in the terms of 1000's of top tier people to research and support development of their platform. Can we trust MT's or any small player's proprietary code, for the long haul? In the Open Source world, there is a clear answer to that, make it open source, and if the developer stops maintaining it, there is a way to get someone to take over maintaining it, without loosing the investment into the platform. I'm not saying companies like MT and STAROS should make their proprietary code into open source. But what I like is the ability to ADD packages to an existing platform. I can give an example, of a monthy ago, when I installed a MT router because , I thought the
[WISPA] WISPA Board Reaches Agreement with Research Vendor
The WISPA Board has reached an agreement with an anonymous Research Vendor. The vendor has discounted it’s services which will soon be made available to WISPA members. The value of this database normally would cost companies several hundred dollars per month, however, the board has decided to make it available free of charge to all paid WISPA members. WISPA membership is only $250/year, thus a few weeks of this service would pay for a WISPA membership. Being alerted of wireless opportunities in your area could be extremely profitable for your business. Don’t miss out on an opportunity near by! Join WISPA now and help us help you. If you wish to join WISPA, go to HYPERLINK http://signup.wispa.orghttp://signup.wispa.org and fill out the form. Disclaimer: This offer is only available for WISPA Principal members. Vendor Members are not eligible as per the terms of the agreement. A confidentiality agreement or nondisclosure agreement will need to be signed by each member that requests access to this information. More details will be made available soon. A description of the research is below. Government Wireless Business Opportunity Database and Local Alert Email Service The vendor normally offers by subscription basis the most comprehensive database of US states, counties, and cities planning, procuring, or implementing wireless networks for government and/or public use. One of the most important sources of our information about pre-RFP business opportunities are the agendas, minutes, and supporting documents of almost 2,000 cities and counties. The state and local government profiles are sorted in a database accessible via the Internet and supplemented with emailed alerts a few times a week. The Government Wireless Business Opportunity service includes the following information: 1. Hearings scheduled before City Councils and County Supervisors/Commissions/Councils and minutes; 2. Financial models (anchor tenant, advertising, user fees, other forms of payment to and from government) 3. Technical specifications (WiFi, WiMAX, BPL, and/or fiber) and frequencies; 4. Geographic service coverage areas in square miles; 5. Departments and applications utilizing the wireless network; 6. Pilot project details and expansion plans; 7. Contact information for government officials and industry executives 8. Procurement documents such as RFI’s, RFP’s, feasibility studies, and interested bidders list; 9. Bidder's conference information; 10. Proposal due date; and 11. Award date, vendor, and implementation status. Thank you, Rick Harnish No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
