Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Nothing you can do about bottom-feeders. Those are not our customers. If a company wants to offer everything and charge nothing, more power to them... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > Yeah, me too. But this guy is an unemployed gamer. Guess what he's > really > gonna do? Stay with the DSL cause it's cheaper. grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Langseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > > >> Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite >> often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build >> our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their >> premise. I would much rather take their 300-500/month (t1 pricing) than >> give them to the telcos >> >> >> Ryan >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> I agree. >>> >>> I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his >>> games >>> would work on our system. heh >>> >>> Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had >>> up >>> to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the >>> telco! >>> >>> Never heard from him again. grin >>> >>> laters >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband >>> >>> I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely "open" concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no bandwidth shaping. IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water usage, etc... have been for a long time. My 2 pence worth. Scott -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500 > So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband > service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just > throw > something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of > any > costs. > > $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. > > $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> Ryan Langseth >> System Administrator >> InvisiMax >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> phone: 218.745.6030 >> Cell: 701.739.1577 >> >> >> ---
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
This is a great tool and it seems to work beautifully. It will scan network traffic for viruses, spam, intrusion detection, and much more. It's called untangle and it's free to use. Installation and setup are brain dead easy and you can easily enable or disable any features you want. Open source, Linux, etc... It will log all http traffic and graphs usage. Everyone should give this a spin if they haven't seen it.. www.untangle.com. Best, - Dan Travis Johnson wrote: The problem is they need a "nice, easy to use" web interface to lookup IP addresses, dates, etc. Travis Sam Tetherow wrote: You might be able to get ntop to show what you need or you could use netflow and nfcapd along with custom accounting scripts? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything that will require them to change all the client settings. I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. Any suggestions? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Yeah, me too. But this guy is an unemployed gamer. Guess what he's really gonna do? Stay with the DSL cause it's cheaper. grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Ryan Langseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite > often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build > our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their > premise. I would much rather take their 300-500/month (t1 pricing) than > give them to the telcos > > > Ryan > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> I agree. >> >> I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his games >> would work on our system. heh >> >> Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had >> up >> to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the >> telco! >> >> Never heard from him again. grin >> >> laters >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband >> >> >>> I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is >>> where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going >>> the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely >>> "open" >>> concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. >>> >>> Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major >>> telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth >>> intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no >>> bandwidth shaping. >>> >>> IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a >>> limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water >>> usage, etc... have been for a long time. >>> >>> My 2 pence worth. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >>> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500 >>> So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >>> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Ryan Langseth > System Administrator > InvisiMax > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > phone: 218.745.6030 > Cell: 701.739.1577 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Un
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Ghz licensees... who is one?
We have a license and have a test gear lab at our office. Most of the people using 3.65 currently are doing PTMP systems from Redline and Airspan. Alvarion is not far behind with a now certified BreezeMAX high end base station capable of 2nd and 4th order diversity and sporting pre 802-16e-2005 compatibility. Airspan also offers an upgrade to 16e path with their HiperMAX product. Airspans cheaper MicroMAXd line is lower power no diversity but is great for entry level WiMAX as is the Redline RedMAX system. All the systems work very well based on our testing and experiences. All vendors are doing 'WiMAX' Technology but are not interoperable from my knowledge 'yet'. We have information on our new website (www.wirelessconnections.net) about each vendors WiMAX product lines. I also know people are beginning to jump into the frequency quickly to use the spectrum in their area first... It is not a lot of spectrum though at 25 MHz but may have another 25 MHz available soon. So to use it for backhaul solutions across a network may not be feasible... John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 Ghz licensees... who is one? > My apologies for mis-titling a posting. > > Again, the question, in the right thread name :( > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link
If 300mbps will do, and/or you need to go over .5 miles, I fully agree, the Trango Giga rocks. It has worked amazingly well for us. Never lost a beat. It was like the easiest radio that we ever installed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Valenti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link > It won't get you to 1Gbps, but Trango has their Giga links on sale > for about $10k. That is 100Mbps full duplex, then another $1500 gets > you a software upgrade key to 300Mbps full duplex. > > That would be a licensed link at 18GHz. > (let us know what you end up with) > > On April 30, at 10:14 AM April 30, Gino Villarini wrote: > >> I have to propose a half mile 100 Mbps upgradable to 1 Gbps Link, I >> was >> thinking on 60 or 70/80 Ghz gear, customer budget is below $20k, >> >> What are the options? >> >> Gino A. Villarini > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 > 10:03 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link
Sure Bridgewave is best of class, but it has a pricelevel to match, almost double that of Proxim. > Terror Beam :-) It very well can be, when someone tries to isntall it who does not yet have enough experience with that specific product. There was a learning curve, but we have gotten it down to a science, and I assure these radios can perform. Terabeam is an excellent product. However there are a number of tradeoffs in their solution, that the users needs to be aware of, and plan for a head of time, if they want a smooth installation. 1) It uses Fiber not CAT6, so installer needs to know how to install troubleshoot fiber. 2) It is like a modem, in the sense that the data flows accross the radio, but the radio electronics don't touch it, so things like bit error rate or port stats are not possible. So the radio won't diagnose a link for you. This means that if a problem occurs, while live in service, its harder to know what component is the culprit. The secret is to install a device on the LAN side, that creates a clear Demarc, that can be used to test and monitor for packet loss. It also means that someone can't conclusively diagnose the radio's operation effectively with a P3 filed laptop w/ 100mb Nic. 3) The Terabeam is also unforgiving. Everything has got to be done 100% by the book. The installer should not be over confident, they need to seek advise in advance on their first install, and is not a radio that harry home owner can just install successfully. 4) To troubleshoot it, it often means taking it offline. Which is perfectly fine for an enterprise/corporate solution. However, for an ISP, it would be imparative to have a backup link to use, during times maintenance were necessary. That plan needs to be planned out before installation. 5) Proxim tech support can be awesome, but you need to document your install step by step by pre-defined protocol, so Proxim has the info they need to help you, otherwise you won't get the help you want. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link > Sorry..That should have been Terror Beam :-) > > > > Bob Moldashel > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 > 10:03 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
Here is a screen shot of the Smoothwall web proxy logs: http://www.smoothwall.org/images/promos/3.0/logs_web-proxy.png Also it looks like it can log IM conversations and email. I haven't used version 3.0 yet so I haven't tried these features. Patrick Travis Johnson wrote: > The problem is they need a "nice, easy to use" web interface to lookup > IP addresses, dates, etc. > > Travis > > > Sam Tetherow wrote: >> You might be able to get ntop to show what you need or you could use >> netflow and nfcapd along with custom accounting scripts? >> >> Sam Tetherow >> Sandhills Wireless >> >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that >>> was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) >>> >>> I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their >>> internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. >>> They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like >>> that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything >>> that will require them to change all the client settings. >>> >>> I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box >>> with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
The problem is they need a "nice, easy to use" web interface to lookup IP addresses, dates, etc. Travis Sam Tetherow wrote: You might be able to get ntop to show what you need or you could use netflow and nfcapd along with custom accounting scripts? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything that will require them to change all the client settings. I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. Any suggestions? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
You might be able to get ntop to show what you need or you could use netflow and nfcapd along with custom accounting scripts? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that > was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) > > I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their > internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. > They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like > that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything > that will require them to change all the client settings. > > I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box > with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Travis > Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link
Proxim officially changed their name to Terabeam. Terabeam HX still makes the GB radios for Terabeam/Proxim. They are alive and well. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link >I think they are proxim now ... > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:38 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link > > Is terrabeam still in business? > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link > > >> List >> >> I have to propose a half mile 100 Mbps upgradable to 1 Gbps Link, I > was >> thinking on 60 or 70/80 Ghz gear, customer budget is below $20k, >> >> What are the options? >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 > 10:03 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
I've used smoothwall for personal and small business use since it was in beta. It has a nice easy to use web GUI and a transparent web proxy. It will log all URLs cached by the proxy and you can filter by IP address. You can also filter the file types displayed from the log. Smoothwall does NAT also, so it may not fit into the existing network. Would a cisco running NBAR do what you need? Patrick Butch Evans wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > >> I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their >> internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, >> etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or >> anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy >> system or anything that will require them to change all the client >> settings. >> > > I know of several school districts using ClarkConnect software. It > is a Linux based device that has some capabilities like this. I > have another customer using Smoothwall (http://smoothwall.net/) as > well. In fact, one such customer is using the Mikrotik router to > force connections to transparently proxy behind the smoothwall box. > I haven't seen the smoothwall interface, so I can't speak for it > specifically, but my understanding is that what they wanted was a > way to track websites that were being used. > > -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their >internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, >etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or >anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy >system or anything that will require them to change all the client >settings. I know of several school districts using ClarkConnect software. It is a Linux based device that has some capabilities like this. I have another customer using Smoothwall (http://smoothwall.net/) as well. In fact, one such customer is using the Mikrotik router to force connections to transparently proxy behind the smoothwall box. I haven't seen the smoothwall interface, so I can't speak for it specifically, but my understanding is that what they wanted was a way to track websites that were being used. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
Trends IWSS Does this, full reporting, plus gives you anti-virus and Anti-SPAM protection.. YOu an load that up on a server, or purchase their hardware box. -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that > was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) > > I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their > internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. > They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like > that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything > that will require them to change all the client settings. > > I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box > with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Travis > Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] traffic reporting
Hi, I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything that will require them to change all the client settings. I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. Any suggestions? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
> I think that's the catch phrase... "open" meaning, not blocked. So don't > block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down... I gave a talk about doing this with Linux + HTB a couple of years ago. I had our head-end traffic shaper doing classful queuing, giving each type of traffic a priority level, an average bandwidth level and a maximum that it could borrow from the other classes if they weren't doing anything. The borrowing concept is nice, allowing the majority of surfing/emailing customers to get what they need/want during peak hours, and the underground junk works slightly better after hours. Oh, and all the "good" P2P still works. VoIP, VPN/RDP/SSH and other latency-sensitive items got highest priority and a decent bandwidth allocation. The office got the next priority down (includes telemetry and other admin traffic) and plenty of bandwidth. Meat and potatoes apps like web surfing and email got a middle to lower priority with a big chunk of bandwidth. Unknown traffic got a low priority with some bandwidth but the option to borrow from others so that I didn't break anything. Known P2P traffic got the lowest priority and bandwidth allocation, but had enough that it wouldn't totally stop. Didn't get any complaints. This was very critical when we were bumping our heads on our DS3's, but doesn't buy me much with Gig-E circuits. So instead we monitor individual AP sites occasionally for heavy use. Just like everyone else we usually see one or two heavy users pop up every once in a while. And 9 times out of 10 it's a teenager. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their premise. I would much rather take their 300-500/month (t1 pricing) than give them to the telcos Ryan Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I agree. > > I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his games > would work on our system. heh > > Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had up > to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the telco! > > Never heard from him again. grin > > laters > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > > >> I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is >> where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going >> the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely "open" >> concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. >> >> Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major >> telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth >> intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no >> bandwidth shaping. >> >> IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a >> limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water >> usage, etc... have been for a long time. >> >> My 2 pence worth. >> >> Scott >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500 >> >>> So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband >>> service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw >>> something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any >>> costs. >>> >>> $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. >>> >>> $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> --- >>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I agree. I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his games would work on our system. heh Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had up to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the telco! Never heard from him again. grin laters marlon - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband >I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is >where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going >the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely "open" >concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. > > Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major > telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth > intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no > bandwidth shaping. > > IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a > limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water > usage, etc... have been for a long time. > > My 2 pence worth. > > Scott > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500 > >>So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband >>service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw >>something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any >>costs. >> >>$2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. >> >>$10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. >> >> >>-- >>Mike Hammett >>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>--- >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
We include 6 gigs with your account. Gigs 6 through 10 are $2.50 each. 10 through 20 are $5.00 each. Usually when my customers get over 20 it's due to a virus and they will get it fixed and not be up there again. We never bill for the first overage. If they keep up with the high usage (even after being warned about the bill that will come next time) we do bill them. Though we often cut the bill in half. We have a few people that download movies and are happy to pay us upwards of $100 per month on their $40 per month accounts. They say that they'll pay the cable company or the movie rental place anyway, why not just pay us. Works for me I guess. Trouble is, it's still not worth it. The heavy users screw things up for everyone, even if they pay $100 per month they still use up more spectrum than they are worth. Heaven forbid you get 3 or 4 like that on one or 2 ap's on a tower We are billing out nearly $1000 per month in overages though. We get most of that. Some people will quit and never pay, or we cut the bill way down. When you are billing out $20k per month that extra grand sure helps! marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband >I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what > about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week? I have a few of those. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > > > > Hi, > > Although it's a great thought, I don't think "metered" broadband will ever > catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an > "unlimited voice/data/SMS package for only $99" service pricing. My power > company will do a "level-pay" program on my power after being activated > for > a full year. They take the average of the 12 months and that's your fixed > monthly payment. They make adjustments each year, if necessary. > > There are a couple things I see: > > (1) People would rather have a higher monthly rate, if they know it's a > fixed price. Nobody likes surprises, especially when it comes to bills. > (2) You are basically cutting your own throat by doing something like > this. > Why would you go install a customer that may be a $15/mo customer (because > they only check email) compared with installing a $29/mo customer? It's > the > same amount of time, equipment, customer support, tower rent, AP, etc. > > If you have people that are using more than a "fair" amount of bandwidth, > then charge them more or ask them to leave... but there's no reason to > completely remodel your pricing structure because of a few customers. > > Travis > Microserv > > Scott Reed wrote: > > Half my customers have pulled less than 1G since April 16 or so when I > started tracking it. I'll be optimistic and think they would all do 1G > per month. I don't think I am going to drop a $33 per month customer > down to $2 per month. > I might consider $30 base and $2/G over X/Gig, but I haven't figured out > what X is, yet. > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > > So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband > service? > It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something > out > to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. > > $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. > > $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://list
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Our average user does under 2 gigs per month. Only 10% or so ever go over that. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband > service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw > something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any > costs. > > $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. > > $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
We don't "limit" bandwidth usage, but we do throttle some things and change out our Priorities. We give VoIP traffic priority over everything else, Web Browsing then POP. SMTP second to bottom for priority, P2P all the way down on the crap scale. However when it comes to P2P we limit that amount of traffic per site depending on equipment there. Examples: Trango 900 equipment: We limited to a max of 500k up/down for p2p Old Alvarin BA2 Equipment: We limit it to 200k up/down Alvarion VL gear We limited it to 2 mpbs up/down Trango 5.x gear currently is 1 mbps up/down. This has proven to work well for us, but when it was a giant free for all, man, I got paged one to many times about slow downs. (SUCK!) We do keep the throttling pretty loose, because I think sometimes, if I was a customer, I wouldn't want to be limited on P2P, obviously I have the means to change the rules for me, but I don't think of it that way, which is why we have different rates depending on what the site can handle. If your concern is just traffic usage, I would try some more throttling or do what another post advised, send them to Competition. We are not afraid to call people and tell them to cut it out, your breaking the bank with your bandwidth usage. Sometimes it puts it into perspective when you tell them how much you pay per Mbit. I can't even count how many times I've called and spoke with the account holders and they say, "It must have been my kids." I told them I would like to talk with them and explain how this all works, you can be surprised on how receptive they are. I've even invited them into the office before. All in all, I would just get after users causing the problems. -Cameron MIS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Still is Blizzard. You're talking about a no win situation and then say you'll go to farming? hah! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > Bryan, > > In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as > WOW's maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing > stopping them from offering their updates via ftp, but no...they prefer to > offer it via bittorrent that brings our wirelesss connections down to a > crawl. Why? because it does not entirely bring their own network down to a > crawl. Same for releases of Linux. I can ftp to any reputable college and > ftp down a complete copy of any new linux release. Now they are taking > advantage of the final end providers! Where does it stop? Are we supposed > to build networks for Netflix, Youtube, etc... and offer it for a > consumable price? thats where I believe its going or trying to go? If it > goes there, I will resort to farming...its a no win prop! > > Scott > > -- Original Message -- > From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:51:17 -0600 > >>There are arguments for flat rate and for metered for most utilities and >>services. "All you can eat" attracts people who don't want to worry >>about overages, where tiered usage plans cater to the penny-pincher who >>knows exactly how much (or little) he needs. For a service provider it >>is much simpler to offer flat-rate pricing than metered because you >>don't have to track usage. >> >>But it boils down to *your* needs and your customer base as an ISP. >> >>Ultimately customers need to understand that not all networks are >>created equal, and never will be 100% the same. Just as each physical >>medium has its own limitations, management styles, network design, and >>target customer each introduce variables that change the behavior of the >>network. >> >>You have to look at your target customer base and design a system for >>them, not let a few power-users dictate how you will run your business. >> The (generally illegal) actions of <10% of your users should not >>affect and hinder the (value added) service(s) you provide to the other >>90+%. >> >>The real Net Neutrality concern should be about network owners >>purposefully hindering access to legitimate but "less preferred" content >>providers. Proponents cannot consider end-users as content providers, >>and that's what they're trying to do with the whole P2P mess. >> >>I pity the pro-P2P advocates; if the overwhelming percentage of P2P >>traffic that is illegitimate was taken out of the picture, their >>miniscule amount of valid traffic would fly under the radar and P2P >>would no longer be a problem. >> >> >>Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> Jason, >>> >>> My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocki
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
It seems to me that in the ensuing discussion of this, there are several models proposed that do not take into account any costs other than bandwidth cost. I would think that one should calculate what it costs to aquire and maintain a customer, including office/support/billing/equipment etc... which added together are a significant part of "where the money goes". I read somewhere that bandwidth is only 5-10% of the average ISP's budget. I wish that were my own experience. I suspect that a base of $20-30/month would be a reasonable amount, BEFORE adding any bandwidth cost. Then.. if it costs $1 or $2 per gig of data transfer, that can be added to the base, perhaps calculating an amount that would cover 90+% of users and including that amount in the flat-rate MRC, and charging overages for data transfers over that amount. A simple $2/gig charge on a customer that only transfers 1 gig/month is going to make that customer a losing proposition for me. Mike Hammett wrote: > So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? > It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out > to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. > > $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. > > $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Still is Blizzard. You're talking about a no win situation and then say you'll go to farming? hah! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband > Bryan, > > In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as > WOW's maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing > stopping them from offering their updates via ftp, but no...they prefer to > offer it via bittorrent that brings our wirelesss connections down to a > crawl. Why? because it does not entirely bring their own network down to a > crawl. Same for releases of Linux. I can ftp to any reputable college and > ftp down a complete copy of any new linux release. Now they are taking > advantage of the final end providers! Where does it stop? Are we supposed > to build networks for Netflix, Youtube, etc... and offer it for a > consumable price? thats where I believe its going or trying to go? If it > goes there, I will resort to farming...its a no win prop! > > Scott > > -- Original Message -- > From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:51:17 -0600 > >>There are arguments for flat rate and for metered for most utilities and >>services. "All you can eat" attracts people who don't want to worry >>about overages, where tiered usage plans cater to the penny-pincher who >>knows exactly how much (or little) he needs. For a service provider it >>is much simpler to offer flat-rate pricing than metered because you >>don't have to track usage. >> >>But it boils down to *your* needs and your customer base as an ISP. >> >>Ultimately customers need to understand that not all networks are >>created equal, and never will be 100% the same. Just as each physical >>medium has its own limitations, management styles, network design, and >>target customer each introduce variables that change the behavior of the >>network. >> >>You have to look at your target customer base and design a system for >>them, not let a few power-users dictate how you will run your business. >> The (generally illegal) actions of <10% of your users should not >>affect and hinder the (value added) service(s) you provide to the other >>90+%. >> >>The real Net Neutrality concern should be about network owners >>purposefully hindering access to legitimate but "less preferred" content >>providers. Proponents cannot consider end-users as content providers, >>and that's what they're trying to do with the whole P2P mess. >> >>I pity the pro-P2P advocates; if the overwhelming percentage of P2P >>traffic that is illegitimate was taken out of the picture, their >>miniscule amount of valid traffic would fly under the radar and P2P >>would no longer be a problem. >> >> >>Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> Jason, >>> >>> My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking >>> Vuze(bittorrent) and see what has been happening over the last few >>> months. First the FCC said it was a matter of them not having a >>> statement of shaping traffic in their TOS, now it has come to that any >>> provider offering internet service should have an "open" network! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: Jason Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >>> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:31:29 -0700 >>> Question: If you are privately owned and have received no federal (or otherwise) money for your network AND it is spelled out in your contract, could the FCC actually tell you you have to run wide open / allow any app? If so, where would the line get drawn (Universities, Libraries, etc...)? My contract prohibits running "servers" or "peer to peer applications" on the connection. Jason Scottie Arnett wrote: > I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that > is where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps > going the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the > completely "open" concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. > > Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major > telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth > intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no > bandwidth shaping. > > IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a > limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water > usage, etc... have been for a long time. > > My 2 pence worth. > > Scott >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >
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