Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Mark McElvy
I guess the question would changing the glass tube be a fix all or can
the assembly go bad?

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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Bob Moldashel
At $10 each its probably a lot easier and safer to just replace the tube
when in doubt.  A whole new arrestor is only $25!


On 5/20/08 3:39 PM, "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The way I test the surge suppressors I manufacture is to place a high
> voltage across the suppression device (such as your gas tube).  The voltage
> must be higher than the breakdown voltage of the device.  Frequently 120 VAC
> from the outlet will do.  I use a variac coupled to a step up transformer so
> I can go to 1000 volts if needs be.
> 
> You must put a current limiting resistor in series with the gas tube to keep
> from blowing a circuit breaker and damaging the gas tube.  If the gas tube
> is firing, it will have a voltage across it at whatever level the breakdown
> voltage is.  If it is not firing, the full applied voltage will be measured.
> If it is shorted, very low or no voltage will be seen.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:15 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers
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> 
>> I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am trying
>> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
>> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad but
>> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
>> old and new.
>> 
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>> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Scott Reed
In addition to water in a cable and even water in an antenna.

Steve Barnes wrote:
> Don't forget pigtails. I have had a simple Pigtail cause odd receive signals
> at the AP end.  
>
> Steve Barnes
> Executive Manager
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark McElvy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers
>
> Well the reason for concern is about a month ago I lost a 3 sector tower
> to lightning or at least during a lightning storm. Everything with an
> Ethernet port lost the Ethernet port as well as the three radios. I
> replaced all three aps but left the lightning suppressors in place. One
> of the AP's seems to have poor receive signals. I am trying to determine
> if it is the new foliage or a blown suppressor.
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers
>
> Mark,
>
> I doubt the ohmeter will tell you anything. The gas tube is supposed to 
> measure "open". It's job is to conduct only when lightning needs to be 
> shorted to ground instead of going through your equipment.
>
> Put the arrestor inline between an antenna and a radio. If the radio 
> works as well after installation as it did before then the arrestor is 
> "probably" OK, assuming the gas tube isn't bad. After a lightning storm,
>
> if your radio stills works as well as it did before the storm then you 
> know the gas tube is probably good.
>
> If you think the gas tube is probably bad then just replace it with a 
> new one.
>
> jack
>
>
> Mark McElvy wrote:
>   
>> I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am
>> 
> trying
>   
>> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
>> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad
>> 
> but
>   
>> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
>> old and new.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mark McElvy
>> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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[WISPA] OSS\CRM

2008-05-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Could anyone make recommendations on a Windows based OSS\CRM that would 
integrate with Outlook, QuickBooks, and Asterisk?

I have a client that does a lot of things the manual way and I am looking for 
ways to improve their business processes.

Also looking for recommendations of consultants that do this type of work in 
the Chicago area, should I think it's over my head or think I'm missing 
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Steve Barnes
Don't forget pigtails. I have had a simple Pigtail cause odd receive signals
at the AP end.  

Steve Barnes
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

Well the reason for concern is about a month ago I lost a 3 sector tower
to lightning or at least during a lightning storm. Everything with an
Ethernet port lost the Ethernet port as well as the three radios. I
replaced all three aps but left the lightning suppressors in place. One
of the AP's seems to have poor receive signals. I am trying to determine
if it is the new foliage or a blown suppressor.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

Mark,

I doubt the ohmeter will tell you anything. The gas tube is supposed to 
measure "open". It's job is to conduct only when lightning needs to be 
shorted to ground instead of going through your equipment.

Put the arrestor inline between an antenna and a radio. If the radio 
works as well after installation as it did before then the arrestor is 
"probably" OK, assuming the gas tube isn't bad. After a lightning storm,

if your radio stills works as well as it did before the storm then you 
know the gas tube is probably good.

If you think the gas tube is probably bad then just replace it with a 
new one.

jack


Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am
trying
> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad
but
> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
> old and new.
>
>  
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Mark McElvy
Well the reason for concern is about a month ago I lost a 3 sector tower
to lightning or at least during a lightning storm. Everything with an
Ethernet port lost the Ethernet port as well as the three radios. I
replaced all three aps but left the lightning suppressors in place. One
of the AP's seems to have poor receive signals. I am trying to determine
if it is the new foliage or a blown suppressor.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

Mark,

I doubt the ohmeter will tell you anything. The gas tube is supposed to 
measure "open". It's job is to conduct only when lightning needs to be 
shorted to ground instead of going through your equipment.

Put the arrestor inline between an antenna and a radio. If the radio 
works as well after installation as it did before then the arrestor is 
"probably" OK, assuming the gas tube isn't bad. After a lightning storm,

if your radio stills works as well as it did before the storm then you 
know the gas tube is probably good.

If you think the gas tube is probably bad then just replace it with a 
new one.

jack


Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am
trying
> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad
but
> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
> old and new.
>
>  
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
The way I test the surge suppressors I manufacture is to place a high 
voltage across the suppression device (such as your gas tube).  The voltage 
must be higher than the breakdown voltage of the device.  Frequently 120 VAC 
from the outlet will do.  I use a variac coupled to a step up transformer so 
I can go to 1000 volts if needs be.

You must put a current limiting resistor in series with the gas tube to keep 
from blowing a circuit breaker and damaging the gas tube.  If the gas tube 
is firing, it will have a voltage across it at whatever level the breakdown 
voltage is.  If it is not firing, the full applied voltage will be measured. 
If it is shorted, very low or no voltage will be seen.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers


>I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am trying
> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad but
> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
> old and new.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Jack Unger
Mark,

I doubt the ohmeter will tell you anything. The gas tube is supposed to 
measure "open". It's job is to conduct only when lightning needs to be 
shorted to ground instead of going through your equipment.

Put the arrestor inline between an antenna and a radio. If the radio 
works as well after installation as it did before then the arrestor is 
"probably" OK, assuming the gas tube isn't bad. After a lightning storm, 
if your radio stills works as well as it did before the storm then you 
know the gas tube is probably good.

If you think the gas tube is probably bad then just replace it with a 
new one.

jack


Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am trying
> to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
> ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad but
> all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
> old and new.
>
>  
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
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>  
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[WISPA] Lightning Surge Suppressers

2008-05-20 Thread Mark McElvy
I have some Altelicon glass tube lightning surge arresters. I am trying
to figure out how to test then to see if they are good. I have used an
ohm meter to compare a new one with an old one I suspected to be bad but
all reads the same. The replaceable glass tube measures open on bothe
old and new.

 

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AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.



 




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Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 20 May 2008, Mac Dearman wrote:

>The best thing about Jeremy (like Butch Evans 
>w/MT/ImageStream/Cisco/FreeBSD...etc) is that he can do about 
>anything Linux related and an integration/collaboration Guru with 
>most any application. He is a good guy to boot - - 
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Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Mac Dearman
The best thing about Jeremy (like Butch Evans
w/MT/ImageStream/Cisco/FreeBSD...etc) is that he can do about anything Linux
related and an integration/collaboration Guru with most any application. He
is a good guy to boot - - -- unlike Butch Evans


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Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Jory Privett
Agreed  He is the best

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Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Jeremy Davis
Maximum Technologies, LLC
107 Mc Manus Rd.
Rayville, LA 71201

Office 318-303-4725
Cell 317-219-8006
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Tell him I sent ya.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that
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Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Mac Dearman
Jeremy Davis is the Freeside King IMHO

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> Contact me offlist, thanks.
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[WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Ryan Langseth
Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that 
type of work?


Contact me offlist, thanks.

Ryan


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Ryan Langseth
System Administrator
InvisiMax
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phone: 218.745.6030
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