Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures
What kind of outdoor boxes were you using for the RB units? -Cam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd appreciate some comments as well. :) http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/ Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] VOX Partner program?
IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to signup as a reseller? Thanks Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [WISPA] VOX Partner program?
Here you go http://www.voxcorp.net/products_wholesale.shtml -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] VOX Partner program? IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to signup as a reseller? Thanks Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Which do you do successfully? G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
G711 T.38 is a crapshoot. -Matt On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Which do you do successfully? G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures
The enclosures are Hammond Eclipse Junior series. Part # is EJ1084 Wisp-Router carries them I think but they are cheaper at www.alliedelec.com Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures What kind of outdoor boxes were you using for the RB units? -Cam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd appreciate some comments as well. :) http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/ Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] HP Buys Colubris
Cisco has bought numerous wireless companies over the years. Now HP is buying one, too. jack http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/30929 http://www.crn.com/networking/210001940 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOX Partner program?
My rep is [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to signup as a reseller? Thanks Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HP Buys Colubris
Is this not our old friend Demetrius (Big D) Sirdopolis's (sp?) company?? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] HP Buys Colubris Cisco has bought numerous wireless companies over the years. Now HP is buying one, too. jack http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/30929 http://www.crn.com/networking/210001940 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Wireless
I emailed and was given this website: http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx ryan Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: The following link has contact info for all the GFRs. Contact the GFR in your area to see if Crossroads Wireless is trying to get loans or grants to serve areas you already serve. The GFRs need to know you. Who knows, they might even have some money for you. http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/staff/gfr-state-list.htm WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Wireless
And for those of you that don't want to fill out the form... http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchResults_ByStateCounty.aspx?stateid=countyid=| Should give you a lovely map. ryan D. Ryan Spott wrote: I emailed and was given this website: http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx ryan Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: The following link has contact info for all the GFRs. Contact the GFR in your area to see if Crossroads Wireless is trying to get loans or grants to serve areas you already serve. The GFRs need to know you. Who knows, they might even have some money for you. http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/staff/gfr-state-list.htm WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I challenge that. We have made fax over G711 work with piece of crap ATAs and Asterisk. Its the network that matters most. -Matt On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] ISPbrain.com
John McDowell wrote: Anyone heard of them? used them? I haven't, but I would like to look into them. Doesn't look like anything you couldn't roll yourself, just a more integrated package: * Subscriber Registration Billing via Online Credit Card Processing * Subscriber Authentication Accounting * Subscriber Login Page with Branding * Bandwidth Allocation Usage Reporting by Subscriber, Group, or Network * Automated Billing * Support Ticket Tracking * Network Equipment Database Device Monitoring * IP Space Management * Wireless backhaul, access point, subscriber stations, and mesh nodes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???
Here's a guy who is building a Muni WiMAX network all by himself. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/09/3592867.htm Either: a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know (because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni Wi-MAX networks), or b) The opposite is true, or c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and WiMAX (again). jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Let me put it this way: I have a RadioShack store. It's only service is from my WISP. All of its orders are placed and received via fax. Its only phone service is Voip. Finicky? Nope. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support crew (daughter or son) to look at. I'm interested in finding out what I would gain by running Nagios or Cacti? From what I see on this thread, it would take both to do the job of just one Dude? Jim rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I used the cacti/nagios combo for years, but in Feb I switched to OpenNMS. It was tricky to get setup, and the folks on their IRC were invaluable! Now it auto scans multiple ip networks and ranges I specify every 4 hours and sends me a txt msg each time I add customers. For all the normal stuff it runs every 5 minutes and produces graphs for not just ping but 'smoke ping', http, dns, ssh, and other commonly discovered ports. It also collects a good bit of snmp data and graphs it. The time invested and IRC questions this last Feb are paying off in a sweet way now. My system looks at a couple hundred interfaces and a total of about a thousand ports/graphs for the network. Just My 2 cents worth. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Wireless Connections app is actually based on Cricket, not Cacti. Huge difference there... I have released Alvarion templates for
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Adam, You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of. Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique info for multiple resellers of the ISP. Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. I'd like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my otehr customers. And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my other customers. This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I only collect it into a common portal. I'd rather have it multi-user, multi-view. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support crew (daughter or son) to look at. I'm interested in finding out what I would gain by running Nagios or Cacti? From what I see on this thread, it would take both to do the job of just one Dude? Jim rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I used the cacti/nagios combo
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Cacti can do this out of the box. If you use AD or LDAP you can auth against it or use the built in database. Nagios can be perms based as well but it is a lot dirtier. ryan -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Adam, You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of. Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique info for multiple resellers of the ISP. Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. I'd like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my otehr customers. And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my other customers. This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I only collect it into a common portal. I'd rather have it multi-user, multi-view. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or
Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???
He should have tried this 2 years ago before it wasn't common knowledge that citywide mesh =! Work Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ??? Here's a guy who is building a Muni WiMAX network all by himself. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/09/3592867.htm Either: a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know (because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni Wi-MAX networks), or b) The opposite is true, or c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and WiMAX (again). jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Tom, Take a look at Cacti (www.cacti.net) to do this. It allows you to give create users and only give them access to their data. It can also display 95% usage and total transfer so customers can know what their billing will be. Adam, You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of. Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique info for multiple resellers of the ISP. Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. I'd like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my otehr customers. And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my other customers. This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I only collect it into a common portal. I'd rather have it multi-user, multi-view. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support crew (daughter or
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
We've been doing VoIP (and FAX) for over 7 years right now and T.38 works great for us (we have guys faxing 80+ pages with no problem) A few things 1. Since we no longer own a WISP (and are bound by a wireless non-compete when we sold several years ago), all of our connections are run over landline circuits (that said, even when we had a WISP, we never ran VoIP over shared best-effort multipoint wireless) 2. We hard-set the T.38 protocol to fax only (we had problems when the protocol would modulate) 3. We don't run dial credit card machines over VoIP (bad idea) 4. We QoS the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] out of the network (not just our last mile, but we've found the only way to roll out a Centrex solution is to basically own the customer's network) #4 is the most interesting to me, as it seems that people are coming to this reality and splitting into 2 camps 1. SIP trunk only providers (so they can set their demarc at the Asterisk PBX) 2. Managed Service Providers (guys who not just do VoIP, but support networks, PCs, computers, apps, everything) It's actually a pretty interesting discussion to get into... -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Tom, Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Not sure if we are offering intl. I think we decided to sell them phone cards if they want intl Talk about an interesting world -- I've recently started broadening my horizons, and I'll tell you, it's hard to differentiate a prepaid guys from a pimp (many, actually do both =) Anyone game for 50 second minutes? -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious . - Original Message - From: Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls. Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the providers themselves invest. The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea of where and how to invest in improving service. It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity, Cutler said. The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using digital photography. It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is critical to our company's future, Steve McElhatten said. We have communications that come in large data files. These use are just huge files. The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be processed. To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. It can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the availability of improved and more comprehensive online classes. But at first glance availability and affordability don't appear to be a problem in Crawford County. Connect Ohio's research shows that the county has higher than average availability compared to the rest of the state. The average cost in Ohio for broadband service to households is just over $35 per month. In Crawford County the price ranges from $29.92 to $32.52. But the county's rate of adaptability, efficient and effective use of the Internet, is just 36 percent compared to 55 percent statewide. Higher availability, lower adaptability, Lambert said. The question is why? Many of those in attendance agreed with Plott about convincing people of the value and necessity of broadband Internet service. Our biggest issues aren't necessarily access, it's more awareness and adoption, said Crawford County
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
It's all about grant money Kurt. Somehow, once we actually start fixing these problems they start to forget that we're out there. Wanna have some fun? Call the governor's office and relate these things/stories and see what they have to say. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the providers themselves invest. The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea of where and how to invest in improving service. It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity, Cutler said. The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using digital photography. It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is critical to our company's future, Steve McElhatten said. We have communications that come in large data files. These use are just huge files. The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be processed. To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. It can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the availability of improved and more comprehensive online classes. But at first glance availability and affordability don't appear to be a problem in Crawford County. Connect Ohio's research shows that the county has higher than average availability compared to the rest of the state. The average cost in Ohio for
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the providers themselves invest. The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea of where and how to invest in improving service. It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity, Cutler said. The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using digital photography. It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is critical to our company's future, Steve McElhatten said. We have communications that come in large data files. These use are just huge files. The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be processed. To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. It can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the availability of improved and more comprehensive online classes. But
[WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings
Kurt, Here is an email that was sent to me last month. The ConnectOhio program is modeled after the ConnectKentucky Program which evolved into http://connectednation.org/index.php. My network covers a small portion of NW Ohio and I did notify Gary when I first heard that the program was expanding to Ohio. I don't know much about it other than a conversation I had at a wireless conference in Chicago a year and a half ago with Wes Kerr of ConnectKentucky. They did want to work with current providers to the best of my understanding. Respectfully, Rick Harnish From: Lambert, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:40 AM To: Gary Lambert Cc: Cutler, Sage Subject: Connect Ohio County Meetings Interested Parties: Sage and I have created calendar of events of the meeting schedule in each county. This is to serve as your notification of when and where we are holding a meeting that may be of interest to you or your organization. This will be a dynamic calendar and will need to be reviewed routinely. Calendar Link http://www.egovlink.com/connectohio/events/calendar.asp As always if you have questions please contact Sage or I Regards, Gary Lambert Southeastern Field Director Connect Ohio 270-781-4320 Office 740-818-9377 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.connectohio.org http://www.connectohio.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings
Further Information on Provider Partnerships can be found at http://www.connectohio.org/providers/. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:22 PM To: 'Kurt Fankhauser'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings Kurt, Here is an email that was sent to me last month. The ConnectOhio program is modeled after the ConnectKentucky Program which evolved into http://connectednation.org/index.php. My network covers a small portion of NW Ohio and I did notify Gary when I first heard that the program was expanding to Ohio. I don't know much about it other than a conversation I had at a wireless conference in Chicago a year and a half ago with Wes Kerr of ConnectKentucky. They did want to work with current providers to the best of my understanding. Respectfully, Rick Harnish From: Lambert, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:40 AM To: Gary Lambert Cc: Cutler, Sage Subject: Connect Ohio County Meetings Interested Parties: Sage and I have created calendar of events of the meeting schedule in each county. This is to serve as your notification of when and where we are holding a meeting that may be of interest to you or your organization. This will be a dynamic calendar and will need to be reviewed routinely. Calendar Link http://www.egovlink.com/connectohio/events/calendar.asp As always if you have questions please contact Sage or I Regards, Gary Lambert Southeastern Field Director Connect Ohio 270-781-4320 Office 740-818-9377 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.connectohio.org http://www.connectohio.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and helping reinforce their market position. Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small. If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps land their muni deals, they should speak up. Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers. George Brian Webster wrote: This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the providers themselves invest. The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea of where and how to invest in improving service. It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity, Cutler said. The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like Lifetouch Church Directories
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
Or we can contact ConnectedNation.org and work out a partnership between WISPA and CN to help identify where WISPs exist in the USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and helping reinforce their market position. Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small. If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps land their muni deals, they should speak up. Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers. George Brian Webster wrote: This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the providers themselves
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
Kurt, I have reached out to Connected Nation and Connect Ohio to see if they would like to pursue a partnership opportunity with WISPA to better promote our members. I will update you all when I hear something further. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Or we can contact ConnectedNation.org and work out a partnership between WISPA and CN to help identify where WISPs exist in the USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and helping reinforce their market position. Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small. If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps land their muni deals, they should speak up. Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers. George Brian Webster wrote: This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Agreed with everything that charles is saying here. Your network generally needs to support edge device ( cpe ) priortization and QOS that controls the jitter, packetloss, and latency of a given packet. Not many solutions in BWA support this very well. PPS is definitely part of it, but the scheduler is just as important. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message.
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Thanks guys. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Tom, Take a look at Cacti (www.cacti.net) to do this. It allows you to give create users and only give them access to their data. It can also display 95% usage and total transfer so customers can know what their billing will be. Adam, You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of. Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique info for multiple resellers of the ISP. Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. I'd like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my otehr customers. And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my other customers. This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I only collect it into a common portal. I'd rather have it multi-user, multi-view. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Yes, but smaller streams tend to be less effected by network congestion and latency, therefore usually less jitter. Provided that their is not a large processing overhead/delays for doing the compression to get the smaller streams at the ATAs and providers PBX Servers. That was the benefit of Targeted Technology stuff, it enabled a small stream without taxing the hardware/software heavilly Compared to Asterisk and low grade ATAs that can be brought down to their knees trying to compress down to small streams using the standard protocols for 8k-16k. As well, less bandwdith is an advantage to the proivider not necessarilly a benefit to the VOIP user. Even with PPS, if the stream is smaller, there are less PPS needed to be passed. One of the problems with the Targeted Tech stuff, is it was not fax capable yet. When we were looking into it last year, the idea was that we'd launch our own VOIP fax service to bundle with the TargetedTech service. I probably should disclose, the reason we did not go with Targeted last year was that at the time, we did not want to use a pay-per-minute only provider. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Tom, Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
With this as well as many other issues that WISPA is trying to do, you might look at USTA and OPASTCO as a templates. They do for the small telcos what WISPA is trying to do for us. - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and helping reinforce their market position. Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small. If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps land their muni deals, they should speak up. Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers. George Brian Webster wrote: This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing, Cutler said. That's going to be the cost the
Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???
Please elaborate, Jeff. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ??? He should have tried this 2 years ago before it wasn't common knowledge that citywide mesh =! Work Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ??? Here's a guy who is building a Muni WiMAX network all by himself. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/09/3592867.htm Either: a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know (because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni Wi-MAX networks), or b) The opposite is true, or c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and WiMAX (again). jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
