Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Backup storage. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Please clarify... > > Storage solutions? or > Redundant Connectivity? > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:19 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a >> value added or revenue improving service? >> >> Was it a success or failure? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1828 - Release Date: >> 12/4/2008 >> 8:05 AM >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
That is a great point Tom, I definitely agree that "there is a [huge] difference between a large wisp and a roll up". Don't get me wrong, Digis had plenty of rollin up goin for them; however, when I was an installer at Digis we installed over 900 fixed-point customers in one month (all on Canopy), and that was even during a rough Rocky Mountain winter month, January '07. Keep in mind that we only had about 10 installers as well. Most of these new customers came from our 'Crazy' referral program: refer 5 friends get FIVE years of internet for FREE! This was accomplished in a cable dominant market as well THE largest fiber-to-the-home municipal deployment in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IProvo). I don't care how big your investor's pockets are or what equipment is being used, that shows a lot about Digis as a company. I was there, and it was more about processes than anything else. It wasn't about new vans/trucks, it was scheduling smarter to avoid wasted travel time. It wasn't about aggressive marketing and sales, it was about providing better service so our customers would sell for us. As employees, we never saw the money side of things and we actually cut a lot of our expenses, JAB gave us the confidence that we were something worth investing in and we wanted to prove them right. I saw Digis grow firsthand from 1,500 to 25,000 customers in less than two years and am more than happy to answer any questions off-list regarding my experience there... I would go off on how Powercode helped create, complete, and maintain these numbers, but I don't feel comfortable doing that at least until we're officially a WISPA vendor member in the next couple weeks. Then you'll get a nice little WISPA sponsored advertisement telling you all about it :) (And yes, I am definitely calling out Avansu and Demarc on abusing this list to self-promote and help themselves rather than helping the WISP community as a whole) Happy Holidays! Austin W. Product Manager Powercode 801.701.6205 www.powercode.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. However, it should be noted there is a difference between a large wisp and a roll up. Sure if a Roll up just aquired a lot of WISPs, they are going to be a Large company of one product line. Its purely coincidental that it played out that way. Had there been a Alvarion or Trango roll up, they could easilly scale to same proportion. Its not necessarilly fair to compare a Roll up venture to original owner companies. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > >> Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. >> >> But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that >> back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider >> market. >> >> What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban >> WISPs. They use Aperto. >> What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two >> occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of >> Alvarion later on. >> What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of >> Trango >> at one point. >> What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. >> What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was >> mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. >> What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT >> primarilly a Canopy shop. >> >> Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in >> compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps and beyond. >> But to say Canopy owned the large player market is ludicris. >> >> You could argue Canopy was a preferred choice for many Muni plays, most >> all >> of which went bankrupt or shut down their networks, creating one of the >> largest availability stockpiles of second hand used product for WISPs to >> now >> buy at discount, compared to any other brand. I find it interesting that >> Alvarion and Trango still hold their value higher on Ebay. >> >> I'll also argue that what is considered preferred choice gear is a leap >> frog >> game. Ironically, I personally have been using some Canopy recently, >> because of a unique value proposition it offers for specific application >> on >> this given day. However, t
[WISPA] Still 65%
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
This is totally anonymous. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3CNTqbd_2fbD514WncbPQuWA_3d_3d It will be some time before I can update the results again. - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy >I must have missed the post telling what the survey is and how to be part >of > it. I will answer the questions if someone sends me that info. > Thanks, > Scriv > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> >> >Perhaps if we get a few more MT might edge above 14%... >> >> Perhaps, but don't assume I have a dog in this fight. I'm not tied >> to MT in any way. ;-) I have customers using Trango, Canopy, >> Alvarion, MT, StarOS and more. >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
My Marketing Director at a previous ISP I ran used Survey Monkey back in '99. It was helpful for our customers. Seeing it used in this fashion as a pole amongst the peers has been enlightening. What would be even more helpful would be to have the results posted on a website and the survey repeated annually. -RickG On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone can make a surveymonkey survey for free. Just go to the site and > create one. I have participated in several before but this is the first one > I made. I would have done it a little different if I knew how to use the > options better. Go give it a try. Data gathering is interesting and I > think it is good for all of us. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy > > >>I like the survey idea to pole for other questions. Has anyone done this >>before? >> -RickG >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> A statistically significant sample is defined as a population over 30. >>> For an off the cuff sample it isn't bad at all. >>> - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy > On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > >>But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. > > Looks like 35 responses...not sure I'd call that a "fairly good > sampling". > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering* > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member* > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks* > > >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Book1.xls
Got tired of adding it up each time. Book1.xls Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] survey
Brand # Subs % By Subs Redline 286 0.56% Alvarion 938 1.83% Ubiquity 960 1.88% Canopy 32933 64.39% Other 4345 8.49% Trango 8217 16.06% MT 3471 6.79% Total 51150 100.00% Responses 47 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey & THANKS!! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Breakdown by response
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[WISPA] Breakdown by number of subs
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[WISPA] canopy response detail
1. 55 Sun, 12/7/08 3:08 PM 2. 1550 Sun, 12/7/08 1:36 PM 3. 150 Sun, 12/7/08 12:31 PM 4. 250 Sun, 12/7/08 10:22 AM 5. 1800 Sun, 12/7/08 8:55 AM 6. 850 Sun, 12/7/08 8:09 AM 7. 8 Sun, 12/7/08 7:26 AM 8. 370 Sat, 12/6/08 8:46 PM 9. 7200 Sat, 12/6/08 6:45 PM 10. 1790 Sat, 12/6/08 5:08 PM 11. 1163 Sat, 12/6/08 4:57 PM 12. 15 Sat, 12/6/08 4:37 PM 13. 1200 Sat, 12/6/08 3:56 PM 14. 1060 Sat, 12/6/08 2:21 PM 15. 5 Sat, 12/6/08 1:13 PM 16. 500 Sat, 12/6/08 11:37 AM 17. 100 Sat, 12/6/08 11:36 AM 18. 110 Sat, 12/6/08 11:26 AM 19. 530 Sat, 12/6/08 11:26 AM 20. 3000 Sat, 12/6/08 11:26 AM 21. 390 Sat, 12/6/08 11:11 AM 22. 1000 Sat, 12/6/08 11:06 AM 23. 65 Sat, 12/6/08 10:56 AM 24. 960 Sat, 12/6/08 10:22 AM 25. 175 Sat, 12/6/08 10:13 AM 26. 900 Sat, 12/6/08 10:08 AM 27. 52 Sat, 12/6/08 9:41 AM 28. 780 Sat, 12/6/08 9:16 AM 29. 60 Sat, 12/6/08 9:14 AM 30. 300 Sat, 12/6/08 9:12 AM 31. 350 Sat, 12/6/08 9:11 AM 32. 1100 Sat, 12/6/08 9:01 AM 33. 5100 Sat, 12/6/08 8:57 AM 34. 50 Sat, 12/6/08 8:56 AM 10 responses per page 25 responses per page 50 responses per page 100 responses per page 250 responses per page <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey & THANKS!! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the detail. Looks believable to me. I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having half the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody can believe something like that. (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks will be honest. One question for you Mac: Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the truth... How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be happy to put my name by my number. Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very honest sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents about half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to prove the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be supplying the market. I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is rejected. We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a bunch of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, but really, I was just looking for a general feel. - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls > Chuck, > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated > in > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > Mac > > > > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> Got tired of adding it up each time. >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: >> 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
It started on the Motorola mailing list? Really? News to me. I thought it was started at [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where is the Alvarion and Trango mailing list? Perhaps you should start one there. Or invite them to participate? But I restate my earlier prognostication, human nature requires you to suppress or dismiss that which causes cognitive dissonance... - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls >I don't believe this to be a real survey (so far). The entire survey has >only been running over a weekend, and was started on the Motorola mailing >list. I would suggest that it runs for another week and then let's see. > > If I remember correctly, there are some very large Alvarion WISPs that I > know have not responded... as well as Trango and others. > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the >> detail. Looks believable to me. >> >> I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having >> half the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody >> can believe something like that. >> (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or >> suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). >> >> So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks will >> be honest. >> >> One question for you Mac: >> Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? >> Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? >> I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the >> truth... >> >> >> How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be >> happy to put my name by my number. >> >> Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very honest >> sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents about >> half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to prove >> the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be >> supplying the market. >> I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is rejected. >> >> We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would >> probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a >> bunch of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, >> but really, I was just looking for a general feel. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> >>> I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with >>> your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to >>> your >>> poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! >>> >>> >>> It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count >>> for >>> a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs >>> combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers >>> >>> I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated >>> in >>> the survey that I am not aware of. >>> >>> >>> Cool survey & THANKS!! >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Responses URL
Not totally sure if you-all can access this URL. It is where the survey responses are. When I click it it goes right to it. But it may have cached my IP or I might have a cookie so it isn't requiring a username or password. Would someone please check this to see if the results are open to all? I would like to stop posting results. http://www.surveymonkey.com/MySurvey_Responses.aspx?sm=f6cSXMKeyXpSb0395Ht13XtM4WIBZ%2f9DRPBmLDf1oFxHSQvbSW8jDUVclmIZWkY4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Responses URL
OK, I just reset the username and password to wispa for both. - Original Message - From: Doug Clark To: Motorola Canopy User Group Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Responses URL needs a username and pass ---Original Message--- From: Chuck McCown - 3 Date: 12/7/2008 4:31:08 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Motorola II] Responses URL Not totally sure if you-all can access this URL. It is where the survey responses are. When I click it it goes right to it. But it may have cached my IP or I might have a cookie so it isn't requiring a username or password. Would someone please check this to see if the results are open to all? I would like to stop posting results. http://www.surveymonkey.com/MySurvey_Responses.aspx?sm=f6cSXMKeyXpSb0395Ht13XtM4WIBZ%2f9DRPBmLDf1oFxHSQvbSW8jDUVclmIZWkY4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brian Webster > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > Mac, > Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be > surprised > if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup > of > the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly > plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in > California > http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about > the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task > force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of > documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can > do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to > compare > their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty > close. > Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that > we > know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive > on > just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products > also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else > they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't think they > could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is > much > bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping > initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. > > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > Chuck, > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count > for > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated > in > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > Mac > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > > > > -- > -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
Nex-Tech participated in this poll and we are around 4000 subs. 90% Canopy shop. -Eric Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll > be happy to put my name by my number. > > > - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls > > >> Chuck, >> >> >> I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with >> your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to >> your >> poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! >> >> >> It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs >> count for >> a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs >> combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers >> >> I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that >> participated in >> the survey that I am not aware of. >> >> >> Cool survey & THANKS!! >> >> Mac >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM >>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls >>> >>> Got tired of adding it up each time. >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: >>> 12/6/2008 4:55 PM >> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
> I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > Behalf Of Brian Webster > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > Mac, > > Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be > > surprised > > if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the > makeup > > of > > the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are > certainly > > plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done > in > > California > > http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf > about > > the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband > task > > force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good > job of > > documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one > entity can > > do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to > > compare > > their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was > pretty > > close. > > Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment > that > > we > > know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could > survive > > on > > just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new > products > > also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or > else > > they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't think > they > > could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry > is > > much > > bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping > > initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth > with > > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to > your > > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs > count > > for > > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that > participated > > in > > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > > > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > > > > > > > > - > - > > -- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > - > > -- > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > - > - > > -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > - > > -- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
A bastardization of the last definition :-) I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of it. I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) might not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear from this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other. Does that clarify some? Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > > What does that statement exactly mean? :) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm > > > Mac > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > > Behalf Of Brian Webster > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > Mac, > > > Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be > > > surprised > > > if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the > > makeup > > > of > > > the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are > > certainly > > > plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done > > in > > > California > > > http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf > > about > > > the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband > > task > > > force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good > > job of > > > documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one > > entity can > > > do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to > > > compare > > > their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was > > pretty > > > close. > > > Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment > > that > > > we > > > know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could > > survive > > > on > > > just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new > > products > > > also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or > > else > > > they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't think > > they > > > could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry > > is > > > much > > > bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping > > > initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Brian Webster > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM > > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth > > with > > > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to > > your > > > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > > > > > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs > > count > > > for > > > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > > > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > > > > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that > > participated > > > in > > > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > > > > > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > > > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > > > > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > -
Re: [WISPA] Article
Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on once in a while. As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll bet they really rock compared to my 286! Have a great Christmas ol' friend! marlon - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Marlon > > I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day > behind!!! > > Com'on dude. Its the fifth. > > If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is > your family gonna be pissed!!! > > LOL > > Change the clock on that 486 machine already > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > > LOL Yeah. > > It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? > > Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the > rules while living within the ones that exist. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? >> >> Sheesh... >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think >>> WISPA >>> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >>> financially >>> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, >>> that >>> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA >>> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of >>> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA >>> financially. >>> >>> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >>> players" >>> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may >>> not >>> be >>> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the >>> past. >>> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are >>> the >>> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in >>> the >>> whole country. >>> >>> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that >>> costs >>> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >>> somehow >>> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >>> All >>> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >>> change >>> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents >>> and >>> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our >>> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. >>> >>> Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I >>> put >>> my name on what they do or give them money. >>> >>> >>> Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and >>> extension". >>> >>> This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still >>> talking >>> about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans >>> available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm >>> twisting >>> contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that >>> much >>> money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. >>> We >>> cannot win that fight with those rules. >>> >>> We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse >>> industry >>> that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental >>> interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively >>> and >>> that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. We >>> will >>> never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be affordable >>> ubiquitous broadband without us. >>> >>> That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration and >>> it >>> might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from >>> Verizon >>> that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of >>> places. >>> Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their fiscal >>> act >>> in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. >>> >>> It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why you >>> are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be >>> won. >>> Further, it obliterations the differences between us and them. That >>> DIFFERENCE is our strength, not our weakness. If you're not thinking in >>> those terms, then some re-thinking needs to happen. >>> >>> What will attract membership is a consistent, clear message about how we >>> have and
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
See in line comments for my sanities sake :) > -Original Message- > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > > Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the > detail. Looks believable to me. [Mac says] I to use mixed technologies and the numbers just took me by surprise. I was not looking to see an average sub count anywhere near that number per WISP. It makes me smile all over to see this kind of numbers associated with that many WISPs. It reassures me that we (the wireless industry) is healthy and moving ahead in the world. > > I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having > half > the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody can > believe something like that. > (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or > suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). [Mac says] I agree with that comment 100%. I think it called "human nature" when we defend what we believe in and I believe (part of the time) that what I am doing is the absolute right thing and I will stand up for it :) > > So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks > will be > honest. [Mac says] Well - as I stated earlier - THANKS for the survey. I would like to see a larger sampling though and let it run longer just to see how many subs we (WISPs) actually have onboard. If we all stand together - united - we can accomplish a lot of good for the industry. This TVWS that we (WISPA) is currently working on didn't become a reality for all of us due to WISPAs just sitting back and not speaking up! We need numbers even if it is an honest "off the cuff" survey. You did good Chuck! > > One question for you Mac: > Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? > Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? > I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the > truth... > [Mac says] Well - - I wouldn't tend to think that the Moto guys are any less truthful than the rest of the guys :) unless the Rf from the Moto gear has done something to your brains :) I guess I was taken by surprise by the averages of all. If anyone took offense - I apologize because that was not my intent. If those are honestly truthful (or even close) numbers - - this industry and the amount of subs we serve collectively is very large - - - makes me smile!! > > How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be > happy to put my name by my number. > > Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very > honest > sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents > about > half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to > prove > the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be > supplying the market. > I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is > rejected. [Mac says] I don't know anyone in Louisiana utilizing Canopy today. I am sure there are some operators somewhere here that do - I just don't know where they are. You know that my going Motorola is one of the two choices (the other being go WiMAX)I will make in the next week. > > We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would > probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a > bunch > of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, but > really, > I was just looking for a general feel. [Mac says] I think it was a great idea and needs to be duplicated on all the lists. I know Brian Webster has been talking about trying to get some of this data together along with the demographics of the areas we serve. I think it would be a great idea as well as very helpful when we visit the FCC! Mac > > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth > with > > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to > your > > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs > count for > > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that > participated > > in > > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown > >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > >> To: wireless@wispa.org > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > >> > >> Got tired of adding it up each time. > >> No v
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
It absolutely does bring clarification :) There is an old saying that seems appropriate: "You can never please all the people all the time, but you can please most of the people most of the time." It's been my experience that where there is more than one person to be represented - - there are at least as many ideas as people. There is never just one person right, but many are right at the same time, but they have different ways of going about explaining themselves or getting their idea to effective words. I would never say that WISPA is representing every WISP, but with or without each and every one of your memberships - we are representing the industry and being heard as so. If there are any of you out there that aren't a member of WISPA already- whatcha waiting for? :) In numbers there is strength and power. WISPA needs you, your number and your input to help guide this industry. Sincerely, Mac Dearman > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > A bastardization of the last definition :-) > > I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of > it. > I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) > might > not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. > > Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear > from > this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, > but > one doesn't necessarily represent the other. > > Does that clarify some? > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of > the > > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either > list... > > > > > > Daniel White > > > 3-dB Networks > > > > > > What does that statement exactly mean? :) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm > > > > > > Mac > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of > the > > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either > list... > > > > > > Daniel White > > > 3-dB Networks > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Brian Webster > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > > > > > > > Mac, > > > > Since this industry has really started to mature, I would > not be > > > > surprised > > > > if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While > the > > > makeup > > > > of > > > > the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are > > > certainly > > > > plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report > done > > > in > > > > California > > > > > http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf > > > about > > > > the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state > broadband > > > task > > > > force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty > good > > > job of > > > > documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one > > > entity can > > > > do to document all the private business. I worked with one client > to > > > > compare > > > > their results to what they knew as local market reality and it > was > > > pretty > > > > close. > > > > Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying > equipment > > > that > > > > we > > > > know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could > > > survive > > > > on > > > > just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new > > > products > > > > also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of > or > > > else > > > > they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't > think > > > they > > > > could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this > industry > > > is > > > > much > > > > bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the > mapping > > > > initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Brian Webster > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM > > > > To: 'WISPA General
Re: [WISPA] WISP Business Model -- remember this?
- Original Message - From: "Charles Wu (CTI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISP Business Model -- remember this? All this talk about business models got me to dig through my notes where I found a WISP business model that I (and a bunch of people on one of the list-servs) collaboratively put together back in late 2003 / early 2004...looking at it from a time capsule perspective, I thought it would be interesting to pull it out and share it with everyone to see if these stated "projections" actually held salt See attached In looking at this, I have a few criticism regarding this 1. Assuming that salaries are being paid (no "entrepreneur mojo" or "sweat equity") -- My original model showed "OPEX positive" @ 800 customers ($35k / month) & a "Profitable ROI tipping-point" @ approximately 1400 customers ($60k / month) -- thoughts? Too high? Too low? mks: We have a gross profit of about $45 to $50k per year these days. On roughly 500 paying subs. (we might be over 550 but it's hard to me to guage sometimes cause we have so many barter accounts) 2. Personally, I think I under-estimated salary expenses -- for example, I have the main "business / sales" & "networking tech" guy making $40k / year each -- with the "wisdom" that I've accrued, I think those salaries would be more in the range of $60-80k / year -- that would modify the above numbers to OPEX positive @ 1,000 customers & a "Profitable ROI tipping-point" @ approximately 1700 customers mks: At under 700 or 800 subs it's still an entrepenure type business. I'm not sure what to pay a "networking tech guy". They should be a dime a dozen as anyone with a couple of years of computer experience and mosest mechanical skills can do 90% of what I do every day. The other 10% is available via phone call or occasional paid consultant. But if you're in LA vs. rural eastern Wa. I'm sure that'll make a difference too. 3. I don't have a provision for overbuild / massive network upgrades -- curious -- how many people have been able to stick with the infrastructure platform they initially selected 5 years ago? Or is it just a constant struggle to replace / upgrade / throw out old equipment -- how much would be a reasonable budget? 10% of total CAPEX? 20% of total CAPEX? mks: We pretty well have just kept adding pops (though no more big ones lately) and upgrading ap's and backhaul systems. Fortunately that's getting downright cheap to do these days. Even with high quality gear. And I've started putting antennas up high and running big coax down to the ground so device swaps are pretty quick and easy too. mks: I'd guess that I'm spending a bit over my $600 per month upgrade budget. Some months it's a bit more, some a bit less. I'm spending more than I really have to cause our reputation is for very high grade services and I'm tired of tech support phone calls so I'm working to improve reliability above and beyond what's probably needed for dsl grade services. 4. In hindsight, knowing what you know now and seeing this model (IMO, I think we're actually pretty close), would you have gotten into this business? Any comments? mks: Most of what I've seen would hold pretty well yet. The business model still holds. In fact the profit per sub has come up higher than I thought it would faster than I thought. Not far enough or fast enough, but it's getting there. mks: Starting all over I'd probably have tried to find a way to do more outsourcing of email, web hosting etc. Although, with another 400 or so subs I will be able to afford to hire a tech that can work on the servers and such. I have trouble letting go of the things that are so important to my customers and my business. mks: I work hard and long hours. But if we'd not have been so far in debt when I started that wouldn't have to be the case. I could already have more help. But we're getting good tools (2 spectrum analyzers, bucket truck, newer install rig, motorbikes for when the tower's are in accessable etc.), better hardware and still run a pretty low churn rate. This year we'll pay off $600 or $800 in montly loans and won't have to borrow money for the gear we borrowed on years ago. Our credit cards are dropping etc. 3 years down the road is looking pretty good. mks: Upstream connectivity and distribution to enough people per ap (really a spectrum issue more than anything else) are the two biggest challenges that I see coming up. Not that we can't get enough, we can't get enough out cheap enough. I still pay $150 to $250 per month per meg. People don't understand that and it's been hard to educate them. laters, marlon -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
Mac, I am just about all canopy in Louisana and I think there is a big canopy user in Baton Rouge as well. Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for massive amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers security doesn't have to be super good. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone > else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's > ridiculous > I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. > With > over a half million files... > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > >> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a >> value added or revenue improving service? >> >> Was it a success or failure? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. > > What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for > massive > amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? > > Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers > security doesn't have to be super good. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >>I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone >> else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's >> ridiculous >> I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. >> With >> over a half million files... >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >>> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as >>> a >>> value added or revenue improving service? >>> >>> Was it a success or failure? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
And I think there was one big operator in New Orleans that deployed Canopy as part of their network (EarthLink perhaps?). In fact I think I know one of the guys who had to do some engineering work on that system :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls Mac, I am just about all canopy in Louisana and I think there is a big canopy user in Baton Rouge as well. Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
Yep, That was Earthlink. They were using canopy and tropos all over the city. That is until they took it all down. 2.4 actually works here now once again. Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > And I think there was one big operator in New Orleans that deployed Canopy > as part of their network (EarthLink perhaps?). In fact I think I know one of > the guys who had to do some engineering work on that system :-) > > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Joe Laura > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > > > Mac, I am just about all canopy in Louisana and I think there is a big > canopy user in Baton Rouge as well. > Joe Laura > Superior Alarm/Wireless > New Orleans,La. > www.superior1.com > > > > -- -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Fw: survey monkey
It wouldn't take my answers. marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Fw: survey monkey >I think I fixed it. If you have already taken the survey please return and > fill out the extra box of subs per technology. > You can return as many times as you wish per IP. > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Fw: survey monkey > > >>I screwed up. Results are coming in but no way can I tie the technology >>to >>the sub count. >> Anyone know survey monkey well enough so that the result is how many subs >> on each type of technology? >> What I did will not be very meaningful. Sorry. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:41 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] survey monkey >> >> >>>I put up a survey of type of technology used and number of subs at survey >>> monkey. >>> >>> I didn't pay for the premium version so you cannot immediately see >>> results. >>> I will post results periodically over the next day or two. >>> >>> If anyone doubts the veracity of what I post, I will give you the >>> username >>> and password to my survey monkey account after a day or two of >>> collecting >>> data. >>> Hopefully folks will be honest if they choose to participate. >>> >>> >>> Hopefully this will illuminate the answer a bit. >>> This is totally anonomyous. >>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3CNTqbd_2fbD514WncbPQuWA_3d_3d >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
bahahahahahahahaha In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 > > > The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) > and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million > subscribers when operational. > > It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time > of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of > data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should > enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, > according to the company. > > While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other > companies to offer the Internet service. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
roflol Too true. That's why I still like SmartBridges! grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you > are somewhat stuck. > The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. > > Many things are like this. > A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office > switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. > Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. > > It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists > that > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they > must > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the > bandwagon effect. > > To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake > requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not > natural > human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than > to > admit they bought the wrong CO switch. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
Did they finally take it down? I hadn't checked up on it much after I left. I do know they had opened up that networkwork with no bandwidth limitations so anyone could get up to a 6 meg connection. They were giving away between 15 and 18 thousand sessions a month, all because they would not put anybody on the task to do bandwidth control using a device that actually worked. That drove me nuts when I was there. They claimed they wouldn't make any money on Wi-Fi but in that city they were giving it all away and the numbers were there to prove the business case Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Joe Laura [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls Yep, That was Earthlink. They were using canopy and tropos all over the city. That is until they took it all down. 2.4 actually works here now once again. Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > And I think there was one big operator in New Orleans that deployed Canopy > as part of their network (EarthLink perhaps?). In fact I think I know one of > the guys who had to do some engineering work on that system :-) > > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Joe Laura > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > > > Mac, I am just about all canopy in Louisana and I think there is a big > canopy user in Baton Rouge as well. > Joe Laura > Superior Alarm/Wireless > New Orleans,La. > www.superior1.com > > > > -- -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Thanks! Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling a lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much space was gonna cost me well over a grand. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > >> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >> >> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >> massive >> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >> >> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >> security doesn't have to be super good. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >>>I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone >>> else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's >>> ridiculous >>> I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. >>> With >>> over a half million files... >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
To The Future! Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:09 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > roflol > > Too true. > > That's why I still like SmartBridges! > > grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > > > Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it > you > > are somewhat stuck. > > The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. > > > > Many things are like this. > > A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office > > switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. > > Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. > > > > It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists > > that > > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they > > must > > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong > > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit > the > > bandwagon effect. > > > > To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake > > requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not > > natural > > human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than > > to > > admit they bought the wrong CO switch. > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Brand new. Seagate drives are at the high end of PC hard drives. Hard drives are DAMN cheap these days. I mean DAMN cheap. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Thanks! > > Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang > cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. > > I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling > a > lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much > space was gonna cost me well over a grand. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >>> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >>> >>> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >>> massive >>> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >>> >>> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >>> security doesn't have to be super good. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> >>> I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's ridiculous I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. With over a half million files... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients > as > a > value added or revenue improving service? > > Was it a success or failure? > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/piperma
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
These are new: 5 year warranty. I just installed two of these in one of my servers at home. Love 'em. Bob Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Thanks! > > Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang > cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. > > I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling a > lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much > space was gonna cost me well over a grand. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > > >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >>> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >>> >>> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >>> massive >>> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >>> >>> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >>> security doesn't have to be super good. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> >>> >>> I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's ridiculous I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. With over a half million files... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as > a > value added or revenue improving service? > > Was it a success or failure? > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they feel. I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are transitioning from Trango to MT. On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > roflol > > Too true. > > That's why I still like SmartBridges! > > grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you >> are somewhat stuck. >> The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. >> >> Many things are like this. >> A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office >> switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. >> Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. >> >> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists >> that >> once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they >> must >> then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong >> choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the >> bandwagon effect. >> >> To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake >> requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not >> natural >> human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than >> to >> admit they bought the wrong CO switch. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???
Does anyone know how to tweak your network to improve these results? Obviously raw bandwidth is not king in this measurement. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:55 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless??? > I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in > America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention > wireless! > That sucks! > > Here¹s the article: > http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp > > Boycott PCMag or what? :-) > > -drew > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
I actually just installed two in my home desktop... RAID 1 array... working like a champ so far (got them for $119 on Black Friday) Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Bob Knight > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:27 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > These are new: 5 year warranty. I just installed two of these in one of > my servers at home. Love 'em. > > Bob > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > Thanks! > > > > Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty > dang > > cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. > > > > I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then > selling a > > lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much > > space was gonna cost me well over a grand. > > marlon > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > > > > > > >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 > >> > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > >> > >> > >>> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. > >>> > >>> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for > >>> massive > >>> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage > space? > >>> > >>> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my > servers > >>> security doesn't have to be super good. > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > >>> > >>> > >>> > I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses > someone > else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's > ridiculous > I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try > again. > With > over a half million files... > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > > > Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients > as > > a > > value added or revenue improving service? > > > > Was it a success or failure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > - > --- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > - > --- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >>> > >>> -- > -- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> -- > -- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >> --- > - > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> --- > - > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.w
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Just make sure you get the 24 hour drives (I think Seagate sticks ES in the conanical name for them) for such a task. On 12/7/08, Bob Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are new: 5 year warranty. I just installed two of these in one of > my servers at home. Love 'em. > > Bob > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Thanks! >> >> Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang >> cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. >> >> I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling >> a >> lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much >> space was gonna cost me well over a grand. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >> >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> >>> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for massive amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers security doesn't have to be super good. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses > someone > else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's > ridiculous > I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. > With > over a half million files... > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients >> as >> a >> value added or revenue improving service? >> >> Was it a success or failure? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinf
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Stick those drives in this: http://promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?product_id=185 Mike Hammett wrote: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >> >> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >> massive >> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >> >> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >> security doesn't have to be super good. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >> >>> I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone >>> else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's >>> ridiculous >>> I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. >>> With >>> over a half million files... >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> >>> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Thanks! > > Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang > cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. > I swear by the baracuda drives. Nothing else. > I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling a > lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much > space was gonna cost me well over a grand. > marlon You could do that. Or put them in the promise product. I love that thing It took me all of 15 minutes to rack the chasis, populate the drives and provision the storage. iSCSI drivers exist for Windows and Linux. Chasis ran around 2k. http://promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?product_id=185 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by the time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for > my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they > feel. > > I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are > transitioning from Trango to MT. > > On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> roflol >> >> Too true. >> >> That's why I still like SmartBridges! >> >> grin >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >> >> >>> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it >>> you >>> are somewhat stuck. >>> The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. >>> >>> Many things are like this. >>> A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office >>> switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. >>> Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. >>> >>> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists >>> that >>> once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they >>> must >>> then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong >>> choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit >>> the >>> bandwagon effect. >>> >>> To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake >>> requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not >>> natural >>> human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than >>> to >>> admit they bought the wrong CO switch. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
I have nothing but frustration for them... On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by the > time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >>I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for >> my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they >> feel. >> >> I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are >> transitioning from Trango to MT. >> >> On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> roflol >>> >>> Too true. >>> >>> That's why I still like SmartBridges! >>> >>> grin >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >>> >>> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you are somewhat stuck. The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. Many things are like this. A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists that once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they must then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the bandwagon effect. To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not natural human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than to admit they bought the wrong CO switch. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Purcell Cabinets
Hutton stopped carrying these and went to DDB Unlimited Cabinets. I have a need to purchase a few Purcell's (specifically four RAC18's and one RAC26). Anyone know who still carries them at a reasonable price? Checked Tessco and Graybar also. Daniel White 3-dB Networks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
How much? Here's part of my issue with the off site backup stuff. I pay for internet based on usage. I need to keep as many of these danged off site backup customers on MY system not ever let them out to the internet. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Stick those drives in this: > http://promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?product_id=185 > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >>> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >>> >>> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >>> massive >>> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >>> >>> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >>> security doesn't have to be super good. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> >>> >>> I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's ridiculous I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. With over a half million files... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients > as > a > value added or revenue improving service? > > Was it a success or failure? > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wir
Re: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets
Go factory direct. Apryl at my office can get a name and phone number for you if you want help. I've also cc'd Mike at Purcell. Marlon - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Motorola Canopy User Group'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets > Hutton stopped carrying these and went to DDB Unlimited Cabinets. I have > a > need to purchase a few Purcell's (specifically four RAC18's and one > RAC26). > Anyone know who still carries them at a reasonable price? > > > > Checked Tessco and Graybar also. > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets
Thanks Marlon Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Cc: Mike Warren > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets > > Go factory direct. Apryl at my office can get a name and phone number for > you if you want help. > > I've also cc'd Mike at Purcell. > > Marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Motorola Canopy User Group'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General > List'" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:40 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets > > > > Hutton stopped carrying these and went to DDB Unlimited Cabinets. I > have > > a > > need to purchase a few Purcell's (specifically four RAC18's and one > > RAC26). > > Anyone know who still carries them at a reasonable price? > > > > > > > > Checked Tessco and Graybar also. > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and now Mtik/Tranzeo. Is SB still around? ryan On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by > the > time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >> I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for >> my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they >> feel. >> >> I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are >> transitioning from Trango to MT. >> >> On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> roflol >>> >>> Too true. >>> >>> That's why I still like SmartBridges! >>> >>> grin >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >>> >>> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you are somewhat stuck. The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. Many things are like this. A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists that once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they must then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the bandwagon effect. To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not natural human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than to admit they bought the wrong CO switch. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
You have extended your life span by at least 5 years by not going through that experience. On 12/7/08, D. Ryan Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a > check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank > goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and > now Mtik/Tranzeo. > > Is SB still around? > > ryan > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by >> the >> time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >> >> >>> I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for >>> my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they >>> feel. >>> >>> I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are >>> transitioning from Trango to MT. >>> >>> On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: roflol Too true. That's why I still like SmartBridges! grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you > pick it > you > are somewhat stuck. > The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. > > Many things are like this. > A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end > office > switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. > Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. > > It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer > scientists > that > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to > reverse they > must > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a > wrong > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to > exhibit > the > bandwagon effect. > > To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major > mistake > requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not > natural > human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a > divorce than > to > admit they bought the wrong CO switch. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >>> --- Henry Spencer >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > ht
Re: [WISPA] Article
286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on once > in a while. > > As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll > bet they really rock compared to my 286! > > Have a great Christmas ol' friend! > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Marlon >> >> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day >> behind!!! >> >> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >> >> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is >> your family gonna be pissed!!! >> >> LOL >> >> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> LOL Yeah. >> >> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? >> >> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the >> rules while living within the ones that exist. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? >>> >>> Sheesh... >>> >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA financially. When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller players" is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the past. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in the whole country. Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that costs them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that somehow playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... All that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators change and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents and whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I put my name on what they do or give them money. Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and extension". This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still talking about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm twisting contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that much money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. We cannot win that fight with those rules. We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse industry that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively and that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. We will never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be affordable ubiquitous broadband without us. That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration and it might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from Verizon that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of places. Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their fiscal act in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why you are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be won. Further, it obliterations th
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in use? Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell me there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > bahahahahahahahaha > > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. > > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >> >> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million >> subscribers when operational. >> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >> according to the company. >> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >> companies to offer the Internet service. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
Maybe the new gear is better than the old stuff. I saw 20 to 30% failure at some points though. I don't think it ever got below 15%. Tranzeo is probably less than 1% failure so far. Well, except for their POS access points. MT is still much much better. marlon - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a > check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank > goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and > now Mtik/Tranzeo. > > Is SB still around? > > ryan > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by >> the >> time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >> >> >>> I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for >>> my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they >>> feel. >>> >>> I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are >>> transitioning from Trango to MT. >>> >>> On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: roflol Too true. That's why I still like SmartBridges! grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you > pick it > you > are somewhat stuck. > The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. > > Many things are like this. > A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end > office > switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. > Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. > > It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer > scientists > that > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to > reverse they > must > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a > wrong > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to > exhibit > the > bandwagon effect. > > To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major > mistake > requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not > natural > human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a > divorce than > to > admit they bought the wrong CO switch. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >>> --- Henry Spencer >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Article
Heck I just plugged in an 8087 and am good another decade or two... - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could run so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on >> once >> in a while. >> >> As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll >> bet they really rock compared to my 286! >> >> Have a great Christmas ol' friend! >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Marlon >>> >>> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole >>> day >>> behind!!! >>> >>> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >>> >>> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy >>> is >>> your family gonna be pissed!!! >>> >>> LOL >>> >>> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >>> >>> -B- >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> >>> LOL Yeah. >>> >>> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? >>> >>> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change >>> the >>> rules while living within the ones that exist. >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? Sheesh... -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think > WISPA > has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll > financially > support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, > that > we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA > consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests > of > those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support > WISPA > financially. > > When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller > players" > is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may > not > be > official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the > past. > Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" > are > the > backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in > the > whole country. > > Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that > costs > them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that > somehow > playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... > All > that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators > change > and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the > precedents > and > whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our > friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get > shorn. > > Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can > I > put > my name on what they do or give them money. > > > Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and > extension". > > This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still > talking > about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and > loans > available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm > twisting > contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that > much > money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the > rolodexes. > We > cannot win that fight with those rules. > > We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse > industry > that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental > interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively > and > that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. > We > will > never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be > affordable > ubiquitous broadband without us. > > That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration > and > it > m
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > How much? > 2k. > I pay for internet > based on usage. Doesn't everyone? (I mean for anything beyond end users). > I need to keep as many of these danged off site backup > customers on MY system not ever let them out to the internet. > Bingo. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
I've been on this list for years and noticed a few people participate on a fairly quick basis. Most of the list either rarely respond or take several days to do so. I bet more numbers will come in over the next week. -RickG On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It started on the Motorola mailing list? Really? > News to me. > I thought it was started at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So where is the Alvarion and Trango mailing list? > Perhaps you should start one there. Or invite them to participate? > > But I restate my earlier prognostication, human nature requires you to > suppress or dismiss that which causes cognitive dissonance... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls > > >>I don't believe this to be a real survey (so far). The entire survey has >>only been running over a weekend, and was started on the Motorola mailing >>list. I would suggest that it runs for another week and then let's see. >> >> If I remember correctly, there are some very large Alvarion WISPs that I >> know have not responded... as well as Trango and others. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >>> Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the >>> detail. Looks believable to me. >>> >>> I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having >>> half the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody >>> can believe something like that. >>> (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or >>> suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). >>> >>> So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks will >>> be honest. >>> >>> One question for you Mac: >>> Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? >>> Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? >>> I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the >>> truth... >>> >>> >>> How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be >>> happy to put my name by my number. >>> >>> Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very honest >>> sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents about >>> half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to prove >>> the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be >>> supplying the market. >>> I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is rejected. >>> >>> We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would >>> probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a >>> bunch of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, >>> but really, I was just looking for a general feel. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls >>> >>> Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey & THANKS!! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls > > Got tired of adding it up each time. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
I have a 100 meg pipe that I pay about $1k for. But it's that low because I only pay for our average usage (well, 95%). If I were buying 20 megs I'd not give a rip how much of that people were using. Well, I'd care, but not nearly as much. If we did it that way we'd at least have a stable bill. As it is our bills keep going up and up, fast, so we watch what people do very closely. Probably more so than most companies have to. marlon - Original Message - From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> How much? >> > 2k. > >> I pay for internet >> based on usage. > > Doesn't everyone? (I mean for anything beyond end users). >> I need to keep as many of these danged off site backup >> customers on MY system not ever let them out to the internet. >> > > Bingo. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the days! On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could run > so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on >>> once >>> in a while. >>> >>> As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll >>> bet they really rock compared to my 286! >>> >>> Have a great Christmas ol' friend! >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> Marlon I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day behind!!! Com'on dude. Its the fifth. If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is your family gonna be pissed!!! LOL Change the clock on that 486 machine already -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article LOL Yeah. It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the rules while living within the ones that exist. marlon - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? > > Sheesh... > > -B- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think >> WISPA >> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >> financially >> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, >> that >> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA >> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests >> of >> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support >> WISPA >> financially. >> >> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >> players" >> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may >> not >> be >> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the >> past. >> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" >> are >> the >> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in >> the >> whole country. >> >> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that >> costs >> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >> somehow >> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >> All >> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >> change >> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the >> precedents >> and >> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our >> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get >> shorn. >> >> Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can >> I >> put >> my name on what they do or give them money. >> >> >> Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and >> extension". >> >> This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still >> talking >> about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and >> loans >> available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm >> twisting >> contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that >> much >> money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the >> rolodexes. >> We >> cannot win that fight with those rules. >> >> We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse >> industry >> that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental >> interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively >> and >> that betting o
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
I tired but it wouldn't let me submit my answers. kept saying that I needed to put in a positive number. I even tried putting 0 into all open fields. Oh well. 6 alvarion 200 or so smartbridges are probably still out there. 300 to 400 tranzeo a handful of trango. at least 6 different brands of ap's. More and more MT for that though. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > I've been on this list for years and noticed a few people participate > on a fairly quick basis. Most of the list either rarely respond or > take several days to do so. I bet more numbers will come in over the > next week. > -RickG > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> It started on the Motorola mailing list? Really? >> News to me. >> I thought it was started at [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> So where is the Alvarion and Trango mailing list? >> Perhaps you should start one there. Or invite them to participate? >> >> But I restate my earlier prognostication, human nature requires you to >> suppress or dismiss that which causes cognitive dissonance... >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> >>>I don't believe this to be a real survey (so far). The entire survey has >>>only been running over a weekend, and was started on the Motorola mailing >>>list. I would suggest that it runs for another week and then let's see. >>> >>> If I remember correctly, there are some very large Alvarion WISPs that I >>> know have not responded... as well as Trango and others. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the detail. Looks believable to me. I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having half the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody can believe something like that. (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks will be honest. One question for you Mac: Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the truth... How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be happy to put my name by my number. Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very honest sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents about half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to prove the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be supplying the market. I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is rejected. We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a bunch of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, but really, I was just looking for a general feel. - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls > Chuck, > > > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth > with > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to > your > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! > > > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count > for > a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs > combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers > > I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that > participated > in > the survey that I am not aware of. > > > Cool survey & THANKS!! > > Mac > > > > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> Got tired of adding it up each time. >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
All I can say is the next time you are on the wet side of the mountains on Hwy 2 Lunch, dinner, coffee, beer etc is on me. :) ryan On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Maybe the new gear is better than the old stuff. I saw 20 to 30% > failure at > some points though. I don't think it ever got below 15%. > > Tranzeo is probably less than 1% failure so far. Well, except for > their POS > access points. MT is still much much better. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >> I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a >> check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank >> goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and >> now Mtik/Tranzeo. >> >> Is SB still around? >> >> ryan >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by >>> the >>> time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >>> >>> I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they feel. I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are transitioning from Trango to MT. On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > roflol > > Too true. > > That's why I still like SmartBridges! > > grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you >> pick it >> you >> are somewhat stuck. >> The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. >> >> Many things are like this. >> A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end >> office >> switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. >> Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. >> >> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer >> scientists >> that >> once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to >> reverse they >> must >> then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a >> wrong >> choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to >> exhibit >> the >> bandwagon effect. >> >> To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major >> mistake >> requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just >> not >> natural >> human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a >> divorce than >> to >> admit they bought the wrong CO switch. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
Please see the Mtik/Tranzeo random dropping of clients "feature" that I endured... ryan On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > You have extended your life span by at least 5 years by not going > through that experience. > > On 12/7/08, D. Ryan Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a >> check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank >> goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and >> now Mtik/Tranzeo. >> >> Is SB still around? >> >> ryan >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by >>> the >>> time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >>> >>> I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use for my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they feel. I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are transitioning from Trango to MT. On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > roflol > > Too true. > > That's why I still like SmartBridges! > > grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > > >> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you >> pick it >> you >> are somewhat stuck. >> The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. >> >> Many things are like this. >> A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end >> office >> switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. >> Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. >> >> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer >> scientists >> that >> once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to >> reverse they >> must >> then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a >> wrong >> choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to >> exhibit >> the >> bandwagon effect. >> >> To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major >> mistake >> requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just >> not >> natural >> human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a >> divorce than >> to >> admit they bought the wrong CO switch. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pip
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
That's odd. I don't think anyone else has reported a problem. Here is the latest summary. Brand # Subs % By Subs Redline 286 0.49% Alvarion 3523 6.09% Ubiquity 1140 1.97% Canopy 34373 59.38% Other 4585 7.92% Trango 9276 16.02% MT 4707 8.13% Total 57890 100.00% Responses 66 - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I tired but it wouldn't let me submit my answers. kept saying that I >needed > to put in a positive number. I even tried putting 0 into all open fields. > Oh well. > 6 alvarion > 200 or so smartbridges are probably still out there. > 300 to 400 tranzeo > a handful of trango. > at least 6 different brands of ap's. More and more MT for that though. > marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
Grin I remember putting a 286 upgrade card into what must have been an ISA slot on my old Tandy 1000. Man, that made the F19 game run SOOO much smoother! I don't mess with pc's much anymore. What speeds are machines running at? I was just looking at a new one for the front office. I can't find anything running much faster than 2 or 2.5 ghz unless I want to spend a lot more money than a machine running email and quickbooks should take. (I'll never do another one of those laptop based small Dell POS machines!!! Came in with a bad board on it, now they have to send out another tech to fix broken stuff. junk) laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the > days! > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could >> run >> so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on once in a while. As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll bet they really rock compared to my 286! Have a great Christmas ol' friend! marlon - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Marlon > > I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole > day > behind!!! > > Com'on dude. Its the fifth. > > If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy > is > your family gonna be pissed!!! > > LOL > > Change the clock on that 486 machine already > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > > LOL Yeah. > > It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things > eh? > > Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change > the > rules while living within the ones that exist. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? >> >> Sheesh... >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I >>> think >>> WISPA >>> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >>> financially >>> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to >>> them, >>> that >>> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When >>> WISPA >>> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests >>> of >>> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support >>> WISPA >>> financially. >>> >>> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >>> players" >>> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It >>> may >>> not >>> be >>> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in >>> the >>> past. >>> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" >>> are >>> the >>> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs >>> in >>> the >>> whole country. >>> >>> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything >>> that >>> costs >>> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >>> somehow >>> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >>> All >>> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >>> change >>> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the >>> precedents >>> and >>> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER >>> our >>> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get >>> shorn. >>>
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Which handybackup do you use? Google comes up with several. -RickG On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. > > What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for massive > amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? > > Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers > security doesn't have to be super good. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > > >>I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone >> else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's >> ridiculous >> I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. >> With >> over a half million files... >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >>> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a >>> value added or revenue improving service? >>> >>> Was it a success or failure? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
That seems to have finally been dealt with here. Thank God! marlon - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > Please see the Mtik/Tranzeo random dropping of clients "feature" that > I endured... > > ryan > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> You have extended your life span by at least 5 years by not going >> through that experience. >> >> On 12/7/08, D. Ryan Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I was watching this and other WISP lists and getting ready to write a >>> check to SB until Marlon made a negative comment about them. Thank >>> goodness I did not write that check. Instead I went with Tranzeo and >>> now Mtik/Tranzeo. >>> >>> Is SB still around? >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> I know. That's what the joke is. The SB gear sucked swamp water by the time we moved to something else. But I still loved them! grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > I think the purpose of this to responsd to all of the "I use > for > my WISP stuff". Trying to make people feel better about how they > feel. > > I bought almost all of the WISP network I operate today and we are > transitioning from Trango to MT. > > On 12/7/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> roflol >> >> Too true. >> >> That's why I still like SmartBridges! >> >> grin >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:53 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance >> >> >>> Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you >>> pick it >>> you >>> are somewhat stuck. >>> The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. >>> >>> Many things are like this. >>> A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end >>> office >>> switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. >>> Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. >>> >>> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer >>> scientists >>> that >>> once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to >>> reverse they >>> must >>> then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a >>> wrong >>> choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to >>> exhibit >>> the >>> bandwagon effect. >>> >>> To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major >>> mistake >>> requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just >>> not >>> natural >>> human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a >>> divorce than >>> to >>> admit they bought the wrong CO switch. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, > poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>
[WISPA] Giant Map
I would still like to see the giant map done. Personally I would trust WISPA as a trusted third party to hold confidential data for aggregation purposes. And if others didn't trust WISPA, WISPA could hire a CPA firm to hold the data. Wouldn't cost that much. - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Motorola Canopy User Group'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls > See in line comments for my sanities sake :) > > >> -Original Message- >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> >> Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the >> detail. Looks believable to me. > > [Mac says] I to use mixed technologies and the numbers just took me by > surprise. I was not looking to see an average sub count anywhere near that > number per WISP. It makes me smile all over to see this kind of numbers > associated with that many WISPs. It reassures me that we (the wireless > industry) is healthy and moving ahead in the world. > >> >> I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having >> half >> the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody can >> believe something like that. >> (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or >> suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). > > [Mac says] I agree with that comment 100%. I think it called "human > nature" > when we defend what we believe in and I believe (part of the time) that > what > I am doing is the absolute right thing and I will stand up for it :) > > >> >> So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks >> will be >> honest. > > [Mac says] Well - as I stated earlier - THANKS for the survey. I would > like > to see a larger sampling though and let it run longer just to see how many > subs we (WISPs) actually have onboard. If we all stand together - united - > we can accomplish a lot of good for the industry. This TVWS that we > (WISPA) > is currently working on didn't become a reality for all of us due to > WISPAs > just sitting back and not speaking up! We need numbers even if it is an > honest "off the cuff" survey. You did good Chuck! > > >> >> One question for you Mac: >> Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? >> Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? >> I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the >> truth... >> > > [Mac says] Well - - I wouldn't tend to think that the Moto guys are any > less > truthful than the rest of the guys :) unless the Rf from the Moto gear has > done something to your brains :) I guess I was taken by surprise by the > averages of all. If anyone took offense - I apologize because that was not > my intent. If those are honestly truthful (or even close) numbers - - this > industry and the amount of subs we serve collectively is very large - - - > makes me smile!! > > > >> >> How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be >> happy to put my name by my number. >> >> Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very >> honest >> sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents >> about >> half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to >> prove >> the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be >> supplying the market. >> I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is >> rejected. > > [Mac says] I don't know anyone in Louisiana utilizing Canopy today. I am > sure there are some operators somewhere here that do - I just don't know > where they are. You know that my going Motorola is one of the two choices > (the other being go WiMAX)I will make in the next week. > > > >> >> We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would >> probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a >> bunch >> of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, but >> really, >> I was just looking for a general feel. > > > [Mac says] I think it was a great idea and needs to be duplicated on all > the > lists. I know Brian Webster has been talking about trying to get some of > this data together along with the demographics of the areas we serve. I > think it would be a great idea as well as very helpful when we visit the > FCC! > > Mac > > > > > >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> >> > Chuck, >> > >> > >> > I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth >> with >> > your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to >> your >> > poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! >> > >> > >> > It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canop
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
They all seem to be the same thing, just different versions. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? > Which handybackup do you use? Google comes up with several. > -RickG > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. >> >> What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for >> massive >> amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? >> >> Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers >> security doesn't have to be super good. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >> >> >>>I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone >>> else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's >>> ridiculous >>> I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. >>> With >>> over a half million files... >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? >>> Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Mac Dearman wrote: >[Mac says] I don't know anyone in Louisiana utilizing Canopy today. Yes, you do(Jay D. down south of you). ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
Unless you have a heavy duty application, even the slowest boxes out there do the trick. Oh, except Celeron - they suck. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grin > > I remember putting a 286 upgrade card into what must have been an ISA slot > on my old Tandy 1000. Man, that made the F19 game run SOOO much > smoother! > > I don't mess with pc's much anymore. What speeds are machines running at? > I was just looking at a new one for the front office. I can't find anything > running much faster than 2 or 2.5 ghz unless I want to spend a lot more > money than a machine running email and quickbooks should take. (I'll never > do another one of those laptop based small Dell POS machines!!! Came in > with a bad board on it, now they have to send out another tech to fix broken > stuff. junk) > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the >> days! >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could >>> run >>> so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on > once > in a while. > > As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. > I'll > bet they really rock compared to my 286! > > Have a great Christmas ol' friend! > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Marlon >> >> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole >> day >> behind!!! >> >> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >> >> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy >> is >> your family gonna be pissed!!! >> >> LOL >> >> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> LOL Yeah. >> >> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things >> eh? >> >> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change >> the >> rules while living within the ones that exist. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? >>> >>> Sheesh... >>> >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA financially. When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller players" is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the past. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in the whole country. Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that costs them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that somehow playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... All that happens is
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few ways to do terabytes per second. Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in > use? > Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell > me > there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. > > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch > in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > > > bahahahahahahahaha > > > > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. > > > > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. > > marlon > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM > > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in > > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > > > > >> > http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 > >> > >> > >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) > >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million > >> subscribers when operational. > >> > >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time > >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of > >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should > >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, > >> according to the company. > >> > >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other > >> companies to offer the Internet service. > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper limit. - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few ways > to do terabytes per second. > Scriv > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in >> use? >> Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell >> me >> there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch >> in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> >> > bahahahahahahahaha >> > >> > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. >> > >> > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. >> > marlon >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM >> > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch >> > in >> > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> > >> > >> >> >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >> >> >> >> >> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) >> >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million >> >> subscribers when operational. >> >> >> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at >> >> time >> >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of >> >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >> >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >> >> according to the company. >> >> >> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >> >> companies to offer the Internet service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
We use Handy Backup as well (on the client side). Then we setup a Linux FTP server in our NOC (total cost for 1u server with RAID 0 drives was less than $500) and we installed Webmin so anyone can add users to the box with a simple web interface. Handy Backup allows you to use FTP for the backups, so that's what the clients do. I think cost is like $35 for a license and it works pretty well. http://www.handybackup.com Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Which handybackup do you use? Google comes up with several. -RickG On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for massive amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers security doesn't have to be super good. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's ridiculous I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. With over a half million files... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled forLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
Lets assume some kind of fantastic modulator and demodulator exists that can do 10 bps per hz with real world Eb/No. That means the bandwidth of the space segment would be 10 GHz. That means DC to 10 GHz would be required. Or pretty much all the beachfront property available in the sky. Spot beams might cut that by a factor of 10 again, but that would still require a 1 GHz slice of space segment. Where on the ITU spectrum allocation chart is there 1 GHz (below say 18 GHz) available? It may be there but I don't know about it. Most allocations are 100 MHz wide. A 1 GHz slice would occupy a whole slice. And with a million earth stations out there there will sure to be some that are not aimed or polarized right so this will crud up the uplinks for nearby satellites. And all of this assumes 10 bps per Hz. It will be more like half that or lower. Sounds like pie in the sky smoke and mirrors to me. They should disclose their technology. Actually, if they have filed for frequencies it will be public. - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled forLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous > orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper limit. > > - Original Message - > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for > Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > >> Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few >> ways >> to do terabytes per second. >> Scriv >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in >>> use? >>> Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please >>> tell >>> me >>> there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for >>> Launch >>> in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >>> >>> >>> > bahahahahahahahaha >>> > >>> > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. >>> > >>> > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. >>> > marlon >>> > >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: "WISPA General List" >>> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM >>> > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch >>> > in >>> > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per >>> >> second) >>> >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 >>> >> million >>> >> subscribers when operational. >>> >> >>> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at >>> >> time >>> >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of >>> >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >>> >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >>> >> according to the company. >>> >> >>> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >>> >> companies to offer the Internet service. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >> >>> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >> >>> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> > >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > >>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WIS
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite ScheduledforLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
I guess it is for real: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/VSAT/0x0x225385/D0B62404-B5EF-4F07-A4E0-EC151C5A7256/ViaSat_2008_AR_lores.pdf They admit that using conventional technology this sat would use more than all the other bands put together. I think they are futzing with the total throughput numbers by using caching or something. Hard to tell by reading the document. But at least they will still have latency. - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite ScheduledforLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > Lets assume some kind of fantastic modulator and demodulator exists that > can > do 10 bps per hz with real world Eb/No. > That means the bandwidth of the space segment would be 10 GHz. That means > DC to 10 GHz would be required. Or pretty much all the beachfront > property > available in the sky. > > Spot beams might cut that by a factor of 10 again, but that would still > require a 1 GHz slice of space segment. Where on the ITU spectrum > allocation chart is there 1 GHz (below say 18 GHz) available? It may be > there but I don't know about it. Most allocations are 100 MHz wide. A 1 > GHz slice would occupy a whole slice. And with a million earth stations > out > there there will sure to be some that are not aimed or polarized right so > this will crud up the uplinks for nearby satellites. And all of this > assumes 10 bps per Hz. It will be more like half that or lower. > > Sounds like pie in the sky smoke and mirrors to me. They should disclose > their technology. Actually, if they have filed for frequencies it will be > public. > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled > forLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > >>I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous >> orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper >> limit. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for >> Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> >>> Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few >>> ways >>> to do terabytes per second. >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in use? Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell me there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > bahahahahahahahaha > > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. > > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch > in > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >> >> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per >> second) >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 >> million >> subscribers when operational. >> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at >> time >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit >> of >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >> according to the company. >> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >> companies to offer the Internet service. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/li
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
I predict we will see FSO and millimeter wave used on satellite Internet delivery within the next 5 years (rain fade and all). You can call me Netstradamus. :-) Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous > orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper limit. > > - Original Message - > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for > Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > > > Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few > ways > > to do terabytes per second. > > Scriv > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in > >> use? > >> Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please > tell > >> me > >> there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for > Launch > >> in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > >> > >> > >> > bahahahahahahahaha > >> > > >> > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. > >> > > >> > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. > >> > marlon > >> > > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "WISPA General List" > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM > >> > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch > >> > in > >> > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> > http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per > second) > >> >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 > million > >> >> subscribers when operational. > >> >> > >> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at > >> >> time > >> >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of > >> >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should > >> >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, > >> >> according to the company. > >> >> > >> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other > >> >> companies to offer the Internet service. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> >> > >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> >> > >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled forLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
Maybe for leo. There are some nasty atmospheric absorption bands and ionospheric effects that pretty much limits you to 30 GHz and below for geo. I know the navy uses FSO with lasers to satellites but that is pretty exotic. Are you predicting the end of the world as we know it? Shall I get my nikes and koolaid? - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled forLaunchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >I predict we will see FSO and millimeter wave used on satellite Internet > delivery within the next 5 years (rain fade and all). You can call me > Netstradamus. :-) > Scriv > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous >> orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper >> limit. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for >> Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> >> > Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few >> ways >> > to do terabytes per second. >> > Scriv >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently >> >> in >> >> use? >> >> Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please >> tell >> >> me >> >> there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for >> Launch >> >> in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> >> >> >> >> > bahahahahahahahaha >> >> > >> >> > In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. >> >> > >> >> > Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. >> >> > marlon >> >> > >> >> > - Original Message - >> >> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM >> >> > Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for >> >> > Launch >> >> > in >> >> > 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per >> second) >> >> >> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 >> million >> >> >> subscribers when operational. >> >> >> >> >> >> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at >> >> >> time >> >> >> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit >> >> >> of >> >> >> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >> >> >> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >> >> >> according to the company. >> >> >> >> >> >> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >> >> >> companies to offer the Internet service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> > >> >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> > >> >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> > >>
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Responses URL
I fixed your spelling on Mikrotik and Ubiquiti. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:34 PM To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Responses URL > OK, I just reset the username and password to wispa for both. > > - Original Message - > From: Doug Clark > To: Motorola Canopy User Group > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Responses URL > > >needs a username and pass > >---Original Message--- > >From: Chuck McCown - 3 >Date: 12/7/2008 4:31:08 PM >To: wireless@wispa.org >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Motorola II] Responses URL > >Not totally sure if you-all can access this URL. It is where the > survey >responses are. >When I click it it goes right to it. But it may have cached my IP > or I >might have a cookie so it isn't requiring a username or password. >Would someone please check this to see if the results are open to > all? I >would like to stop posting results. > > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/MySurvey_Responses.aspx?sm=f6cSXMKeyXpSb0395Ht13XtM4WIBZ%2f9DRPBmLDf1oFxHSQvbSW8jDUVclmIZWkY4 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
xHz hasn't been the primary measurement of CPU performance in about 4 years. A 1.7 GHz processor today can beat the snot out of a 4 GHz+ processor of yesteryear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:28 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Grin > > I remember putting a 286 upgrade card into what must have been an ISA slot > on my old Tandy 1000. Man, that made the F19 game run SOOO much > smoother! > > I don't mess with pc's much anymore. What speeds are machines running at? > I was just looking at a new one for the front office. I can't find > anything > running much faster than 2 or 2.5 ghz unless I want to spend a lot more > money than a machine running email and quickbooks should take. (I'll > never > do another one of those laptop based small Dell POS machines!!! Came in > with a bad board on it, now they have to send out another tech to fix > broken > stuff. junk) > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the >> days! >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could >>> run >>> so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on > once > in a while. > > As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. > I'll > bet they really rock compared to my 286! > > Have a great Christmas ol' friend! > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Marlon >> >> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a >> whole >> day >> behind!!! >> >> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >> >> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and >> boy >> is >> your family gonna be pissed!!! >> >> LOL >> >> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> LOL Yeah. >> >> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things >> eh? >> >> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to >> change >> the >> rules while living within the ones that exist. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? >>> >>> Sheesh... >>> >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA financially. When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller players" is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the past. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in the whole country. Every other indu
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
FSO at THAT range? John Scrivner wrote: I predict we will see FSO and millimeter wave used on satellite Internet delivery within the next 5 years (rain fade and all). You can call me Netstradamus. :-) Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper limit. - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few ways to do terabytes per second. Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in use? Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell me there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech bahahahahahahahaha In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million subscribers when operational. It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, according to the company. While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other companies to offer the Internet service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.or
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
I heard that the truck roll cost to do AP repairs was out of this world. And estimated downtime to complete repairs just as bad. Just hope the Space Shuttle isn't booked. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in > use? > Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell > me > there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. > > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch > in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech > > >> bahahahahahahahaha >> >> In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. >> >> Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in >> 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech >> >> >>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 >>> >>> >>> The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) >>> and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million >>> subscribers when operational. >>> >>> It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time >>> of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of >>> data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should >>> enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, >>> according to the company. >>> >>> While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other >>> companies to offer the Internet service. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 > 4:55 PM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
How and why? I've been so busy doing installs that there are a lot of things I'm way out of touch on. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > xHz hasn't been the primary measurement of CPU performance in about 4 > years. > A 1.7 GHz processor today can beat the snot out of a 4 GHz+ processor of > yesteryear. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:28 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > >> Grin >> >> I remember putting a 286 upgrade card into what must have been an ISA >> slot >> on my old Tandy 1000. Man, that made the F19 game run SOOO much >> smoother! >> >> I don't mess with pc's much anymore. What speeds are machines running >> at? >> I was just looking at a new one for the front office. I can't find >> anything >> running much faster than 2 or 2.5 ghz unless I want to spend a lot more >> money than a machine running email and quickbooks should take. (I'll >> never >> do another one of those laptop based small Dell POS machines!!! Came in >> with a bad board on it, now they have to send out another tech to fix >> broken >> stuff. junk) >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the >>> days! >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could run so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop >> on >> once >> in a while. >> >> As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. >> I'll >> bet they really rock compared to my 286! >> >> Have a great Christmas ol' friend! >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Marlon >>> >>> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a >>> whole >>> day >>> behind!!! >>> >>> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >>> >>> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and >>> boy >>> is >>> your family gonna be pissed!!! >>> >>> LOL >>> >>> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >>> >>> -B- >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> >>> LOL Yeah. >>> >>> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things >>> eh? >>> >>> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to >>> change >>> the >>> rules while living within the ones that exist. >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? Sheesh... -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I > think > WISPA > has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll > financially > support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to > them, > that > we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When > WISPA > consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow > interests > of > those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support > WISPA > financially. > > When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller > players" > i
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Mac, Well said! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls > It absolutely does bring clarification :) > > There is an old saying that seems appropriate: > > "You can never please all the people all the time, but you can please most > of the people most of the time." > > It's been my experience that where there is more than one person to be > represented - - there are at least as many ideas as people. There is never > just one person right, but many are right at the same time, but they have > different ways of going about explaining themselves or getting their idea > to > effective words. I would never say that WISPA is representing every WISP, > but with or without each and every one of your memberships - we are > representing the industry and being heard as so. If there are any of you > out > there that aren't a member of WISPA already- whatcha waiting for? :) > > In numbers there is strength and power. WISPA needs you, your number and > your input to help guide this industry. > > Sincerely, > Mac Dearman > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> >> A bastardization of the last definition :-) >> >> I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of >> it. >> I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) >> might >> not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. >> >> Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear >> from >> this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, >> but >> one doesn't necessarily represent the other. >> >> Does that clarify some? >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> > Behalf Of Mac Dearman >> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM >> > To: 'WISPA General List' >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> > >> > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of >> the >> > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either >> list... >> > > >> > > Daniel White >> > > 3-dB Networks >> > >> > >> > What does that statement exactly mean? :) >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm >> > >> > >> > Mac >> > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> > > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> > > >> > > I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of >> the >> > > industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either >> list... >> > > >> > > Daniel White >> > > 3-dB Networks >> > > >> > > > -Original Message- >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > On >> > > > Behalf Of Brian Webster >> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM >> > > > To: WISPA General List >> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls >> > > > >> > > > Mac, >> > > > Since this industry has really started to mature, I would >> not be >> > > > surprised >> > > > if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While >> the >> > > makeup >> > > > of >> > > > the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are >> > > certainly >> > > > plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report >> done >> > > in >> > > > California >> > > > >> http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf >> > > about >> > > > the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state >> broadband >> > > task >> > > > force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty >> good >> > > job of >> > > > documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one >> > > entity can >> > > > do to document all the private business. I worked with one client >> to >> > > > compare >> > > > their results to what they knew as local market reality and it >> was >> > > pretty >> > > > close. >> > > > Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying >> equipment >> > > that >> > > > we >> > > > know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could >> > > survive >> > > > on >> > > > just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new >> > > products >> > > > also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of >> or >> > > else >> > > > they would not still put R&D efforts in to something they don't >> think >> > > they >> > > > could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this >> industry >> > > is >> > > > much >> > > > bigger
Re: [WISPA] Article
Different architectures, multiple processor cores per processor. One processor of today can literally do the work of 4 as they have 4 little processors inside one physical processor. Kind of like how channel size isn't a very good measurement of how much data you can push through it. There are many other factors at play. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:32 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > How and why? I've been so busy doing installs that there are a lot of > things I'm way out of touch on. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> xHz hasn't been the primary measurement of CPU performance in about 4 >> years. >> A 1.7 GHz processor today can beat the snot out of a 4 GHz+ processor of >> yesteryear. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:28 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >>> Grin >>> >>> I remember putting a 286 upgrade card into what must have been an ISA >>> slot >>> on my old Tandy 1000. Man, that made the F19 game run SOOO much >>> smoother! >>> >>> I don't mess with pc's much anymore. What speeds are machines running >>> at? >>> I was just looking at a new one for the front office. I can't find >>> anything >>> running much faster than 2 or 2.5 ghz unless I want to spend a lot more >>> money than a machine running email and quickbooks should take. (I'll >>> never >>> do another one of those laptop based small Dell POS machines!!! Came in >>> with a bad board on it, now they have to send out another tech to fix >>> broken >>> stuff. junk) >>> >>> laters, >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> So you upgraded the cpu and the os from Windows 286, eh? Those were the days! On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 > could > run > so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop >>> on >>> once >>> in a while. >>> >>> As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. >>> I'll >>> bet they really rock compared to my 286! >>> >>> Have a great Christmas ol' friend! >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> Marlon I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day behind!!! Com'on dude. Its the fifth. If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is your family gonna be pissed!!! LOL Change the clock on that 486 machine already -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article LOL Yeah. It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the rules while living within the ones that exist. marlon - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? > > Sheesh... > > -B- > > >
Re: [WISPA] Public ROW
And don't forget about the "Union" labor workforce. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW > In NY you need to be pretty rich to get pole attachment rights. Last I > heard you needed to post a bond as well as have liability for $25 million, > name the utilities and govt as additional insureds, pay for a construction > audit, undergo engineering review and acceptance, and once you have > approval you need to have your equipment installed by an authorized > contractor as well as have METERED electric service at each location > requiring power. > > A little too steep for my pockets. Besides, by the time everything is > approved, wireless would be antiquated. > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:32:35 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Public ROW > > > The original thread is closed. Please use this new thread. > > Remember that thoe public right of ways are just that... Public. Anyone > can ask for and receive a right of way franchise or use permit. I have > several county wide franchises that allow me (within reason and > permitting) to place equipment in the ROW. The franchise is titled > specifically 'non-exclusive'. > > I also have a pole agreement that allows for pole attachments on electric > company poles. The fcc prohibits the power company from limiting what you > place on their poles except in the interests of safety. (we really like > safe and healthy linemen!) > > ryan > > -Original Message- > From: Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:26 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > As I weeded through the gibberish I did recognize one good point that > he > made. > > "We need the ability to use public rights of way and to not > have our trade restrained by local authorities who seek to ban our > equipment > deployments" > > It would be nice to have the same rights to right-of-ways that incumbent > utility's have. > > We will always be at a disadvantage without it. Wireless on its own, does > not get us every where that we need to get. There still has to be > somewhere > to put the radios. And as long as Real Estate Owners control that, we are > not free to compete and grow. > > Although granting Whitespace to Unlicensed, will be a HUGE step in the > right > direction, to get past many of these easement barriers to entries. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 > 9:57 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 60% Canopy
Its atleast 400 Trango short, I didn't participate in the survey :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] 60% Canopy > That grand total of survey monkey is wrong. If you add all the subs you > get > 34832 total with 20755 of those Canopy. So 60% Canopy. Still north of > the > 50% that Mot will tell you. If JAB got on here that percentage would go > way > up. But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
I'm not at all surprized if Motorola has majority share. What I ask is "what does that mater any how?" Motorola has a great distribution channel. And marketing and sales control market share penetration more than technical merits of the gear. Its so easy for a WISP to just jump on the bandwagon with the big name brand. What would be more interesting would be the financials of the companies that reported what gear they used. Which are more profitable? Users of MT, StarOS, Trango, Motorola, Alvarion? Which WISP's had higher percent Customer Satisfaction? Users of x, y ,z ? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy >A statistically significant sample is defined as a population over 30. > For an off the cuff sample it isn't bad at all. > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy >> >> >>> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >>> But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. >>> >>> Looks like 35 responses...not sure I'd call that a "fairly good >>> sampling". >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering* >>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member* >>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks* >>> >>> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 > 7:08 PM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
> It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists > that > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they > must > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the > bandwagon effect. > Exactly, why so many canopy users must stay evangelists to the product that they are so heavilly engrossed in deploying and selling. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance > Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you > are somewhat stuck. > The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. > > Many things are like this. > A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office > switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. > Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. > > It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists > that > once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they > must > then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong > choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the > bandwagon effect. > > To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake > requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not > natural > human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than > to > admit they bought the wrong CO switch. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 > 7:08 PM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
I have to say, it had to be pretty exciting being a part of a company that was accomplishing such successful growth. I can tell you first hand, its not easy to grow. When someone is doing it well, they are clearly doing multiple things right. I'm sure Powercode was one of them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Austin Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > That is a great point Tom, I definitely agree that "there is a [huge] > difference between a large wisp and a roll up". Don't get me wrong, Digis > had plenty of rollin up goin for them; however, when I was an installer at > Digis we installed over 900 fixed-point customers in one month (all on > Canopy), and that was even during a rough Rocky Mountain winter month, > January '07. Keep in mind that we only had about 10 installers as well. > Most of these new customers came from our 'Crazy' referral program: refer > 5 > friends get FIVE years of internet for FREE! This was accomplished in a > cable dominant market as well THE largest fiber-to-the-home municipal > deployment in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IProvo). I > don't care how big your investor's pockets are or what equipment is being > used, that shows a lot about Digis as a company. I was there, and it was > more about processes than anything else. It wasn't about new vans/trucks, > it was scheduling smarter to avoid wasted travel time. It wasn't about > aggressive marketing and sales, it was about providing better service so > our > customers would sell for us. As employees, we never saw the money side of > things and we actually cut a lot of our expenses, JAB gave us the > confidence > that we were something worth investing in and we wanted to prove them > right. > > I saw Digis grow firsthand from 1,500 to 25,000 customers in less than two > years and am more than happy to answer any questions off-list regarding my > experience there... > > I would go off on how Powercode helped create, complete, and maintain > these > numbers, but I don't feel comfortable doing that at least until we're > officially a WISPA vendor member in the next couple weeks. Then you'll > get > a nice little WISPA sponsored advertisement telling you all about it :) > (And yes, I am definitely calling out Avansu and Demarc on abusing this > list > to self-promote and help themselves rather than helping the WISP community > as a whole) > > Happy Holidays! > > Austin W. > Product Manager > Powercode > 801.701.6205 > www.powercode.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. > > However, it should be noted there is a difference between a large wisp > and > a roll up. > Sure if a Roll up just aquired a lot of WISPs, they are going to be a > Large > company of one product line. > Its purely coincidental that it played out that way. Had there been a > Alvarion or Trango roll up, they could easilly scale to same proportion. > Its not necessarilly fair to compare a Roll up venture to original owner > companies. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > >> JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds >> >> >>> Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. >>> >>> But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that >>> back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider >>> market. >>> >>> What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban >>> WISPs. They use Aperto. >>> What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two >>> occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of >>> Alvarion later on. >>> What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of >>> Trango >>> at one point. >>> What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. >>> What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he >>> was >>> mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. >>> What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT >>> primarilly a Canopy shop. >>> >>> Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve >>> in >>> compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps a
