[WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story
Bob, That story is a scream. I read it aloud to my fiance and we were both cracking up. Thanks for sharing. If the tale every strangely morphs in to motorcycle road trips, then I'll share one of mine. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story What a great horror story! You are a great story teller! I'm still laughing. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story WOW. I HATE Bees I bet that was fun when you opened that up! Reminds me of when I installed a system in North Carolina about 15 years ago. We installed some equipment in a communications shed (and I mean shed!) at the base of a tower. Picture this 300' guyed tower in the middle of a field with a 10' x 15' wooden shed underneath it. The grass is like waist high. the whole time I am walking up to this thing I am thinking ticks and bees. So I unlock the door and turn the light on and do a quick look around inside. I wait about 15 seconds and finally feel at ease that there are no bees waiting inside for me. The shed has around 10 radio repeater cabinets inside and the walls are covered in insulation. There are wires and transmission line all over the place. No sheetrock. In addition the ceiling also was covered in insulation but whoever put it up probably spent a whole 10 minutes doing it. Several sections were hanging down. The lighting really sucked. One 60 watt light bulb screwed into a ceramic base. And with some of the insulation hanging down around it some of the shed was pretty dark. I remember it was cool outside and windy so the guy I was working with decided to close the door so it would be a little warmer. 10 repeater cabinets, some with high power paging transmitters, create a lot of heat so it made a big difference with the door closed. So we start to mount a plywood backboard to the studs of the back wall so we would have something to mount our wall mount equipment cabinet to. I am drilling in deck screws when the battery operated Hilt drill gun dies. Being lazy and not wanting to go back out to the truck 1/4 mile across the the windy, tall grass field in the middle of no-name North Carolina the guy I am working with decides to hit the screws in with a hammer. This was NOT a good idea! On the third wack a section of insulation on the ceiling by the door falls down and this 50' BLACK SNAKE ( he was really only about 2-3' ) falls to the floor between us and the door! Suddenly my fear of bees fell to the number 2 position. We both screamed like little girls (the snake was a mute but he had his mouth open too!). We knew we had to get out of there. All I could think of was SNAKE BITE, POISON, ANTIVENOM, HELICOPTER, MEDEVAC, PAIN, NO CELL PHONE SERVICE, etc in about 1/2 second. Suddenly my guy grabs a piece of 2x3 wood stud to beat this snake to a pulp. ANOTHER BAD IDEA He swings the stud and hits the light bulb and its lights out in this freakin' snake infested casket And 100ms later I feel this THING slide across the top of my work boot and I was mobile! I pushed the other guy to one side and ran towards the last known location of the door. What I didn't know was the insulation was hanging in front of the door after he swung the stud and I ran face first into it about 3' from the door. Of course I was not expecting ANYTHING to hit my face so I started swinging like mad, got disoriented and realized that the door wasn't where it was. I stopped moving. He stopped moving. We decided to feel around for something familiar so we could get our bearings. Of course the whole time we are doing this we are thinking the snake is on the floor. WRONG! My guy reaches out and touches one of the repeater cabinets and says he knows where the door is and orients me. While he has his hand on top of the cabinet THE SNAKE SLIDES ACROSS IT He screams and we both bolt to the door and out into the field. To say the least I did not go back in. He called me all kinds of names and as a result (and the fact that I was his boss) he finished all the indoor work with the door wide open and mason's boots on. And he was very gentle and quiet. I don't know what happened to the snake but if I was him I would be around the Panama Canal right now. I'm sure he was just as scared as us but I didn't hang around to interview him. Always be careful no matter what you are doing. And Happy Halloween -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I believe that this was the original inspiration for the BeeHive Antenna !! LOL !! Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
We are seeing 60 Mbps HDX TCP with the Ubiquiti Rockets in 20MHz. One small problem is there appear to be some odd OSPF issues on some of our links. Still trying to figure them out though as they may not be Ubiquiti related. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all co-located backhauls to be synced together. If your interested hit me offlist for more info. Any backhaul should technically support VoIP... the question becomes the PPS capability so you can determine how many calls at once you can handle. With 64 byte frames the Radwin 2000 can achieve 37,000 PPS... so it should handle most VoIP applications with no problems. QoS could also be important... but since it is a bridge you can prioritize at each end with MT routers. Radwin also offers QoS in the radio. IMHO... nothing supports any real throughput at 12 miles in the 5.4GHz band... legally. Personally I feel 5.4GHz is limited to more like 5 miles or so... although YMMV depending on the noise floor and the specific equipment/modulation used. I think Ligowave can technically get close to 60Mbps with a 40MHz channel... but 40MHz in one polarity is a lot to burn IMO. UbquiToy might be able to achieve the throughput... but I would check the PPS and strongly question the interference rejection capability. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
I would try a 802.11N link. We are getting 55+ Mbit TCP through them over distances of 28+ Miles. http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT%2DN%2DDualpol Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Hi, Does the Radwin require dual-polarity antennas? How large of channel size to get the 100Mbps? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all co-located backhauls to be synced together. If your interested hit me offlist for more info. Any backhaul should technically support VoIP... the question becomes the PPS capability so you can determine how many calls at once you can handle. With 64 byte frames the Radwin 2000 can achieve 37,000 PPS... so it should handle most VoIP applications with no problems. QoS could also be important... but since it is a bridge you can prioritize at each end with MT routers. Radwin also offers QoS in the radio. IMHO... nothing supports any real throughput at 12 miles in the 5.4GHz band... legally. Personally I feel 5.4GHz is limited to more like 5 miles or so... although YMMV depending on the noise floor and the specific equipment/modulation used. I think Ligowave can technically get close to 60Mbps with a 40MHz channel... but 40MHz in one polarity is a lot to burn IMO. UbquiToy might be able to achieve the throughput... but I would check the PPS and strongly question the interference rejection capability. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?
Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT Powerstation2 also in WDS station? Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mot list (WISPA Membership Recruitment)
Chuck and all WISP operators, You have done a great job attracting members to the WISPA Motorola List. It definitely is the most used list at our resources which speaks highly of quality of the knowledge based shared by Moto and non-Moto WISPs that populate this list. I would like to invite all Moto List subscribers and all WISPs who are not presently WISPA Members (paid dues) to join today. To do so, go to http://signup.wispa.org and fill out the form. WISP dues are $250/year if paid annually. This is a small price to pay for the use of these list resources and other lists which are defined as “members only”. We also have a “members only” WIKI, which contains a wealth of information and is growing in its resources on a daily basis. The WISPA association has made great leaps and bounds in the last few years in our lobbying efforts and member services. We have been able to do so because we have been very diligent and efficient with our Dues revenue. I congratulate the Board and the membership for making this happen with much volunteerism abound. Currently WISPA has: 215 Principal WISP members….$53,750 in revenue 27 Associate members…,,$2700 in revenue 66 Vendor members……$66,000 in revenue Total………$122,450 in revenue What many WISPs do not realize is that many of the Vendor members have discounts available to WISPA members which will more than pay for the annual dues. They do so to encourage WISPs to join our effort to support the industry (since the Board are all WISPs or WISP Vendors themselves). I think you will find that most members feel very good about the dues donation they make each year and feel that it is a very good investment, not only for the knowledge and resources gained through WISPA, discounts from Vendors, friendships with other WISPs but also the massive undertaking of both financial and labor resources which come with any strong lobbying effort. Therefore, when I see Chuck post that the Motorola list has 347 members and I know that many of the paid members of WISPA are non-Moto users, I realize that we are still not doing a good enough job selling the worthiness of WISPA membership to this group. I don’t believe we should have more Vendor revenue that Prinicipal Member revenue. The Vendors recognize the potential of this partnership and grassroots effort more than our industry participants. Why is this? I am not trying to lay a guilt trip on anyone here. Each business needs to make these decisions individually and I realize that often times, cash flow is tight and that $250 payment tends to be pushed off for another day. Please don’t let that be an obstacle as we have several payment plans to minimize any negative cash flow issues. We have a monthly dues plan at $25/month and a semi-annual plan at $135/month. There are several operators who take advantage of these plans and they can be set up on an automatic payment plan to make it easy to budget. What I AM trying to do, is to shed light on the many efforts WISPA does to support each and every WISP in the industry and to encourage each of you to do your part financially. Please recognize the many hours of effort which is volunteered by your fellow WISPs in committee work, FCC trips, lobbying efforts and so forth. WISPA has responded to the following FCC NOI’s and NPRM’s this year alone. I think you will see the professionalism and time it takes to make these comments and filings. I applaud Jack Unger and the FCC Committee for their fine work. While each filing might not be agreed upon 100% by each WISP, please understand that we are working for a vast group of operators (WISPA members or not) spread over the entire United States. 2/11/2009 Form 477 Extension Request Filing http://wiki.wispa.org/images/4/46/Form_477_Extension_Request_5_.pdf Media:Form_477_Extension_Request_5_.pdf 2/12/2009 Form 477 Comments Filing http://wiki.wispa.org/images/e/e6/WISPA_Form_477_Comments.pdf Media:WISPA_Form_477_Comments.pdf 5/19/2009 White Spaces Reply Comments Filing http://wiki.wispa.org/images/0/0b/Whitespaces_Reply_Comments.PDF Media:Whitespaces_Reply_Comments.PDF 6/8/2009 National Broadband Plan Comments Filing http://wiki.wispa.org/images/5/58/National_Broadband_Plan_Comments_DOC06080 9-009.pdf Media:National_Broadband_Plan_Comments_DOC060809-009.pdf 8/4/2009 Form 477 Data Confidentiality Filing http://wiki.wispa.org/images/f/f4/WISPA_Form_477_Data_Confidentiality_Filin g.pdf Media:WISPA_Form_477_Data_Confidentiality_Filing.pdf 9/30/2009 WISPA Comments on Fostering Innovation and Investment in the Wireless Communications Market http://wiki.wispa.org/images/7/73/DOC093009-009.pdf Media:DOC093009-009.pdf 10/23/2009 WISPA Comments on National Broadband Plan (Spectrum for Broadband) http://wiki.wispa.org/images/c/ca/WISPA_Comments_NBP_-6-1.pdf Media:WISPA_Comments_NBP_-6-1.pdf We have budgeted nearly $50,000 in legal and writing fees for the flood of new FCC NOI’s
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Yes. 20MHz channel. but uses H-pol and V-pol Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Hi, Does the Radwin require dual-polarity antennas? How large of channel size to get the 100Mbps? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all co-located backhauls to be synced together. If your interested hit me offlist for more info. Any backhaul should technically support VoIP... the question becomes the PPS capability so you can determine how many calls at once you can handle. With 64 byte frames the Radwin 2000 can achieve 37,000 PPS... so it should handle most VoIP applications with no problems. QoS could also be important... but since it is a bridge you can prioritize at each end with MT routers. Radwin also offers QoS in the radio. IMHO... nothing supports any real throughput at 12 miles in the 5.4GHz band... legally. Personally I feel 5.4GHz is limited to more like 5 miles or so... although YMMV depending on the noise floor and the specific equipment/modulation used. I think Ligowave can technically get close to 60Mbps with a 40MHz channel... but 40MHz in one polarity is a lot to burn IMO. UbquiToy might be able to achieve the throughput... but I would check the PPS and strongly question the interference rejection capability. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces -75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bret Clark Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?
I believe the Crossroads was replaced by the RB411R. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)? Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT Powerstation2 also in WDS station? Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC news
Scottie, First, at only $250 to join, its impossible to get burned by joining WISPA. Thats what, 2 hours of billable labor? This year in government (and FCC) is the busiest year yet. There is no second chance, its happening now, this year, defining our future. If you are serious about protecting your future, you definately should join WISPA today, and pitch in your $250 towards the cause. There is NOTHING to loose by helping financially empowering us. But there is a lot to loose if our industries voice is not heard. But dont just rely on WISPA, WISPA is just ONE effort to make sure atleast ONE unified opinion will get heard. We need exactly what you said, we need each and every WISP to comment, and We need to educate the public. I'd argue the public could be our worst enemy, simply because the public does have influence, and the public very well might not understand our position. The truth is the average public understands how to walk into Best Buy and choose between Verizon, ATT, and Sprint. And they understand the difference between paying $20/month less or not. But there is another percent of population that does understand us. Its our client base. There is a big scare in lobbying, Its that accomplishing HALF of our goal, will hurt us more than help us. Meaning the goal is we need more spectrum. But if we ONLY win the first half of the battle of identify spectrum and make it avalable in some capacity to the industry, it simply opens up that spectrum for our competitors to buy. Giving our competitors more spectrum to compete against us. We ONLY win when we also win the second half of the battle which is to allocate more spectrum to Small Wireless ISP entreprenures.. Winning half the battle of we need help does little good, if we dont win the second half of the battle which is small local wireless ISPs need help. Right now the government understood consumers need help to get broadbnad. But they have not publically acknowledged the concept that small local WISPs need help, so consumers can be better served. Who can best serve ALL Americans? Just like some are against Big Government, I'd argue I'm against Big ISP. Big government typically fosters Big ISP. We need to change that mentality. I'd like to point out an example. Go find a small under served warehouse or office complex. Pretend to be management, and ask everyone of the tenants, we'd like to expand broadband here, who do you want us to ask to come serve the premise? How many will say Comcast? How many will say FIOS? How many will really say That small local WISP down the street? WISPs are looked at as the second best alternative. Actually not even the second best, probably the last choice next to Satelite. EVERY SINGLE DAY I work my butt off to change that perception. I should be the first choice, I deserve to be! And I bet there are a lot of WISPs that feel the same way, or they wouldn't be in this business. Until the rest of the world sees that, we will remain the underdog. So yes, I agree, we need our clients calling Congress and FCC telling them to start supporting and empowering their preferred provider, the Small local WISP, so we have the tools we need to finish the job. BUt lets not fool our selves, this is NOT an easy sell. Everyone of these people probably have 3-4 cell phones in their household, and are starting to experience the power of mobility. And they are still willing to fork out $300-400/ month to cover those phone bills. They want Cell Providers to have more spectrum, so they can have faster service, and more competition to drive the price down. If you think about it, NOT ALLOCATING any spectrum would probably be the LEAST RISK thing for WISPs. MObile carrier networks WILL get congested with only the spectrum they have now. And it really isn;t competition to WISPs because of that. But give Cell carriers 200 mhx more spectrum, and NOT give any to WISPS, and that could be devasting to our industry! What w need IN PRINT ON THE RECORD for the National broadband plan, from the FCC and Feds saying yes we get it, we need to better empower small local ISP, and give THEM the spectrum and financial help they need, Small Local provider are the cornerstone to smart successful broadband deployment, to best meet the needs of local communities. Until that happens, its a very tough situation in front of us. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC news Typical, how many can believe that these guys pushing this: The plan would involve the FCC buying spectrum back from TV folk and then auctioning it off to wireless folk make at least a $100,000 clear a year? Plus the lobbyist and what they make? We pay their salaries as American citizens! Most of the
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12. I was looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I am running out of spectrum. Without frequency reuse via GPS or HSS, I have to move to another frequency. 5.4 seemed like it might be a viable option for the short hops, and use 5.8 for the long hops, or even 2.4 with dishes. So MT guys, with a 411 AH, and R5H, you can see speeds up to 30M with low jitter? Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Sounds like a case for using 3.65 for your BH links. Good engineering around channel assignment and width and polarity would give you a lot of combinations. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12. I was looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I am running out of spectrum. Without frequency reuse via GPS or HSS, I have to move to another frequency. 5.4 seemed like it might be a viable option for the short hops, and use 5.8 for the long hops, or even 2.4 with dishes. So MT guys, with a 411 AH, and R5H, you can see speeds up to 30M with low jitter? Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Exactly. Even though the transmitting antenna isn't any louder, the listening radio is 20 dB louder than a standard panel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
I would expect to find it on higher end radios... Redline, Orthogon, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Orthogon does Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?
Yes MT have no problem doing WDS with any of the Ubnt products. One need to be master two wds stations can not talk one need to be master the other slave/station. But otherwise yes no problems. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=MikroPilot-crdeq=Tp= Complete unit. 16dBi panel, poe injector and powersupply. Is a FCC certified unit with sticker but I'm sure you can peel those off if you need to ;) Vertical polarity only is only drawback. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)? Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT Powerstation2 also in WDS station? Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Halloween request
Batteries are cheap. It is definitely worth it to have 3-48 hours of battery back up on all tower sites. 3 for the sites with good power 24 - 48 for the sites that are hard to get to so it may be a while before the power company can fix the problem. Or it maybe the site is hard for you to get to if there is a problem. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Halloween request Does this work: 4:00 Friday afternoon Young girl takes out power line with her car. That Power line feeds your main Tower that feeds 4 other towers. 30 Min later when the batter backup goes down 50 clients call and want to know what your going to do to get them back-up before the weekend. Power company can give you an estimate and its 20 miles to the tower and you let all you employees go home early because its been a hard week. Argh!! Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Halloween request Not exactly Troy, but... US Air Force Base 1 Wright Patterson Afb # A271, Wright Ptrsn Afb, OH Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Terrorist Attack???Near Troy Ohio??? I don't think so :-) Josh Luthman wrote: It's Friday about 2PM. Three of your customers in the same town go down suddenly. They haven't called and it's been almost 20 minutes. Terrorist attack??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: It's Spooky Funny Friday It's time to post your Spooky Tech Tails for all to shake and quiver at. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
