Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
Does anyone know the frequency range of the 5.6 Doppler Radar? leb At 3:08 PM -0500 11/24/09, Tom DeReggi wrote: Forbes, Historically, The FCC has usually grandfathered pre-existing installations, to protect those that have already deployed equipment. You have 250Mhz available today between 5.4g and 5.7g. My recommendation is If it works use it. If you have a airport radar system near by dont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List ; memb...@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? IMO, it is iffy for the reason you mentioned. The FCC (at the request of the FAA and the NTIA) appears ready to deny use of the 5.6 spectrum in areas where interference with airport weather radar takes place. I doubt that any WISP would ague that their use of that spectrum is more important than safe operation of commercial aircraft. I expect that newly certified 5 GHz equipment will soon (within the next year) include a updated DFS algorithm that looks for the presence of 5.6 GHz radar and switches away from 5.6 when radar is detected. Your existing equipment may remain technically legal but you do run the risk of possibly being blamed for aircraft crashes assuming you are unlucky enough to be using 5.6 near airports where you could cause actual interference to Terminal Doppler Weather Radar systems. See http://tiny.cc/LIlqB for more information. jack Travis Johnson wrote: It's iffy because the FCC allowed the specific band, and now they are trying to take it back away... two years later. If I never upgrade my radios, does that mean I'm legal to run in that specific band forever? I just don't understand how they can allow it for 2 years, and then try and take it away and think they are going to clean up the airways. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. I don't understand what is iffy about the band... Canopy operators have been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? 5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty iffy. jack Forbes Mercy wrote: My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Tonight we spent a few more hours on this project. We're now streaming live satellite TV programming via multicast over our network. Unencrypted, and only MPEG 2 for now. The stream is about 6Mbps. It's going over a wireless backhaul, and into a UBNT AirMax system. It's being received over the AirMax system, but not being decoded properly. Not sure if it's the AirMax, or this laptop that's the issue. Leaning towards the laptop. When on the same network as the streambox the feed looks great, time-shift works perfect. We're using a PIII 933MHz machine with 1GB of RAM. It was laying around I will investigate more soon as to why it's not working via the AirMax. I'll also try to get the MPEG 4 codec situated on the encoder. I did find out from Amino that their STB's should work without 3rd party middleware. Basically, they have embedded browsers--point to your HTML server, which has pages to streams. You could fashion up your own guide and program info, etc. This would work especially well if you're not broadcasting networks with requirements, but just OTA. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: So we're looking at $25k for the hardware to do an MPEG-4 H.264 IPTV system for up to 100 channels? Remaining items needed (or desired): 1) Middleware (Minerva) 2) Licensing (only your past seems to indicate that this can be done) 3) VoD 4) Content stream from Avail or Echostar Missing anything? Costs for the others? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast their meetings to their residents). I don't know why I didn't see the similarity between this post and that project. I just spent the last couple hours working on this, and now have a Linux server streaming the content out over the wireless network multicast without any issues. Taking a deeper look... We have ASI-input cards from Linear Systems. They take 4 ASI streams... maybe 32 each? I can't remember. A quick look on eBay found some Moto C-Band receivers that output 32 ASI streams for under $1000. An entire receiving, encoding, streaming headend for under 100 channels could be built for probably under $25,000. I don't know what you're after, but if there is some serious interest in putting effort into something like this, we might be on board. Jayson On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Blake, In general the IPTV principles being discussed would apply to any broadband wireless system either license-free, licensed, or licensed-lite. jack Blake Covarrubias wrote: I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general? My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be looking to use to deploy IPTV. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?
I've been darned impressed with the Mikrotik R52N cards. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm not sure what the chipsets are, but both MT and UBNT have 802.11N cards. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm going to do some experimenting with some MIMO and TDMA based stuff. I need some Atheros based cards to do this - I'd like at least 3 or 4. I need 2x2 MIMO, specifically.I need to know the precise chipset on the card before I buy. Don't call me, email me at purchasing at neofast (dot) net If this works out, I have a 160Mbit solution for backhauls, and distance doesn't matter much other than RSSI If that works, then I'm working on P2P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test
What can I say. I told you guys I'd sell out my own mother for 16 bucks, you were warned. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Dammit Robert. We _all_ agreed, including you, that we weren't going to tell him that! sigh Chuck ;-) On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Robert West wrote: We were ignoring you. We've been telling secrets. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test have not seen any msg for a few days... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
Yikes! Crown Castle strikes again!! I gave up upon first read of the app. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
I got a load from Pasadena Wireless a couple of weeks back. All of it 5.8 gear. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We've been buying it from CTI without issue. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: the UBNT stuff is just not available, and doesn't appear to be until sometime perhaps in February. the prices are very good, the gain and having nice sector widths is great, but, the distributors only have air to put in boxes to send to you -- From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?
Really? Might get some myself. On 11/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've been darned impressed with the Mikrotik R52N cards. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm not sure what the chipsets are, but both MT and UBNT have 802.11N cards. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm going to do some experimenting with some MIMO and TDMA based stuff. I need some Atheros based cards to do this - I'd like at least 3 or 4. I need 2x2 MIMO, specifically.I need to know the precise chipset on the card before I buy. Don't call me, email me at purchasing at neofast (dot) net If this works out, I have a 160Mbit solution for backhauls, and distance doesn't matter much other than RSSI If that works, then I'm working on P2P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?
Yeah, I bought a handful of them back in late August to play around with. About a month ago I was out working on an AP using a 433ah and one of the R52 cards seemed flakey and all I had with me were the N cards so I swapped that one out with a R52N. The next day I noticed that card was seeing a lot more than the other 2 sectors when doing a snoop. I looked at the customer side and the RSSI was better too. I'm not using the N functions at all but the overall sensitivity seems much, much better. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? Really? Might get some myself. On 11/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've been darned impressed with the Mikrotik R52N cards. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm not sure what the chipsets are, but both MT and UBNT have 802.11N cards. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards? I'm going to do some experimenting with some MIMO and TDMA based stuff. I need some Atheros based cards to do this - I'd like at least 3 or 4. I need 2x2 MIMO, specifically.I need to know the precise chipset on the card before I buy. Don't call me, email me at purchasing at neofast (dot) net If this works out, I have a 160Mbit solution for backhauls, and distance doesn't matter much other than RSSI If that works, then I'm working on P2P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
I believe all of their sectors do. I complained to them about that. 19 dBi at 120* seems way to hot... meaning it'll be vertically too thin of a pattern. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. Also easier to mount and less wind load. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
But they don't look as cool. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. Also easier to mount and less wind load. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Ah! Good advice. I was going to order up some more of the 19's but I was going to grab some of the lower gain also. I think I'll take your lesson to heart and get the lower gain only and see what my differences are before putting more jack in the 19's. Makes sense to me. Are you doing 2.4 or 5? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. Also easier to mount and less wind load. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
I can see your point with the pattern. I'm trying to do 5ghz on the new installs so there is plenty of space for 90 degree sectors at 20Mhz. I was being cheap, trying to save a few bucks on 120's! Change of plans Next order, lower gain and 90 degrees to see what results I get. Thanks guys. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I believe all of their sectors do. I complained to them about that. 19 dBi at 120* seems way to hot... meaning it'll be vertically too thin of a pattern. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Hey, I thought the same thing! Those larger gain sectors have geek all over them. The lower ones look like a tic-tac. Blah. Damn, now I'll always call them tic-tacs... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic But they don't look as cool. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. Also easier to mount and less wind load. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
We're doing 5. 2.4 up here is pretty much unusable. BTW, we're seeing some big improvements in 5.1 beta. Not quite there yet, but much better. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Ah! Good advice. I was going to order up some more of the 19's but I was going to grab some of the lower gain also. I think I'll take your lesson to heart and get the lower gain only and see what my differences are before putting more jack in the 19's. Makes sense to me. Are you doing 2.4 or 5? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. Also easier to mount and less wind load. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize it was there... George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
We consider the 120s to be equivalent to 'conventional' 90s and plan accordingly. I don't like the -6dB rating, it gives a false impression. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I can see your point with the pattern. I'm trying to do 5ghz on the new installs so there is plenty of space for 90 degree sectors at 20Mhz. I was being cheap, trying to save a few bucks on 120's! Change of plans Next order, lower gain and 90 degrees to see what results I get. Thanks guys. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I believe all of their sectors do. I complained to them about that. 19 dBi at 120* seems way to hot... meaning it'll be vertically too thin of a pattern. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Can you describe your setup a little more. Like what you are using for software and stuff? I too have a project where this may be useful. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Tonight we spent a few more hours on this project. We're now streaming live satellite TV programming via multicast over our network. Unencrypted, and only MPEG 2 for now. The stream is about 6Mbps.  It's going over a wireless backhaul, and into a UBNT AirMax system. It's being received over the AirMax system, but not being decoded properly. Not sure if it's the AirMax, or this laptop that's the issue.  Leaning towards the laptop. When on the same network as the streambox the feed looks great, time-shift works perfect. We're using a PIII 933MHz machine with 1GB of RAM.  It was laying around I will investigate more soon as to why it's not working via the AirMax. I'll also try to get the MPEG 4 codec situated on the encoder. I did find out from Amino that their STB's should work without 3rd party middleware. Basically, they have embedded browsers--point to your HTML server, which has pages to streams. You could fashion up your own guide and program info, etc. This would work especially well if you're not broadcasting networks with requirements, but just OTA. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: So we're looking at $25k for the hardware to do an MPEG-4 H.264 IPTV system for up to 100 channels? Remaining items needed (or desired): 1)  Middleware (Minerva) 2)  Licensing (only your past seems to indicate that this can be done) 3)  VoD 4)  Content stream from Avail or Echostar Missing anything? Costs for the others? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast their meetings to their residents).  I don't know why I didn't see the similarity between this post and that project. I just spent the last couple hours working on this, and now have a Linux server streaming the content out over the wireless network multicast without any issues. Taking a deeper look... We have ASI-input cards from Linear Systems.  They take 4 ASI streams... maybe 32 each?  I can't remember. A quick look on eBay found some Moto C-Band receivers that output 32 ASI streams for under $1000. An entire receiving, encoding, streaming headend for under 100 channels could be built for probably under $25,000. I don't know what you're after, but if there is some serious interest in putting effort into something like this, we might be on board. Jayson On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Blake, In general the IPTV principles being discussed would apply to any broadband wireless system either license-free, licensed, or licensed-lite. jack Blake Covarrubias wrote: I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general? My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be looking to use to deploy IPTV. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing.  You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use.  I've tried numerous times -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
So you're putting 4 of the 120's in an AP. Interesting. I'm liking that one. At 5ghz it wouldn't be a problem, I can figure that much out at least. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic We consider the 120s to be equivalent to 'conventional' 90s and plan accordingly. I don't like the -6dB rating, it gives a false impression. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I can see your point with the pattern. I'm trying to do 5ghz on the new installs so there is plenty of space for 90 degree sectors at 20Mhz. I was being cheap, trying to save a few bucks on 120's! Change of plans Next order, lower gain and 90 degrees to see what results I get. Thanks guys. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I believe all of their sectors do. I complained to them about that. 19 dBi at 120* seems way to hot... meaning it'll be vertically too thin of a pattern. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
5600 to 5650 Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? Does anyone know the frequency range of the 5.6 Doppler Radar? leb At 3:08 PM -0500 11/24/09, Tom DeReggi wrote: Forbes, Historically, The FCC has usually grandfathered pre-existing installations, to protect those that have already deployed equipment. You have 250Mhz available today between 5.4g and 5.7g. My recommendation is If it works use it. If you have a airport radar system near by dont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List ; memb...@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? IMO, it is iffy for the reason you mentioned. The FCC (at the request of the FAA and the NTIA) appears ready to deny use of the 5.6 spectrum in areas where interference with airport weather radar takes place. I doubt that any WISP would ague that their use of that spectrum is more important than safe operation of commercial aircraft. I expect that newly certified 5 GHz equipment will soon (within the next year) include a updated DFS algorithm that looks for the presence of 5.6 GHz radar and switches away from 5.6 when radar is detected. Your existing equipment may remain technically legal but you do run the risk of possibly being blamed for aircraft crashes assuming you are unlucky enough to be using 5.6 near airports where you could cause actual interference to Terminal Doppler Weather Radar systems. See http://tiny.cc/LIlqB for more information. jack Travis Johnson wrote: It's iffy because the FCC allowed the specific band, and now they are trying to take it back away... two years later. If I never upgrade my radios, does that mean I'm legal to run in that specific band forever? I just don't understand how they can allow it for 2 years, and then try and take it away and think they are going to clean up the airways. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. I don't understand what is iffy about the band... Canopy operators have been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? 5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty iffy. jack Forbes Mercy wrote: My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies. Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes. Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: "Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "can...@believewireless.net" p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
My lawyer said the same thing as Travis. The way the policy reads, from my understanding, is if you start using company funds to buy your house, car, groceries, beer, movie rentals, TVs, video games, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies. Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes. Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
I agree. If your company goes belly up, they can come after your personal assets if your corp has any liabilities towards them. --Curtis fwatts wrote: My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
True- Also knows an piercing the corporate veil. Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our Authorize.net transactions who did not require that. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM To: fwatts; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants
Wow! Good job! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants WISPA is proud to announce 44 New Member applications since October 1st. We want to thank all the new applicants for supporting our efforts to support our Wireless Industry and each WISP business. It is truly enlightening to know that so many new companies are recognizing the value and voice that WISPA is bringing to our industry and have recognized the Power of Many, far outweighs the power of one. Michael Hughes Antelecom, Inc. Michael Liu ReadyLink Systems, Inc. Jeffrey Collins SonicNet Inc Greg BallardBroadband on Demand dba Kentucky WiMAX Matt ComeauxMain Street Internet Ty Carter Lightwave Communications of NC James ChildsVelowave Robert Haas BPS Networks Michael R MarriaRed Coyote, Inc Dennis CartyThunderbird Broadband Jack Gorman, Jr.Global NMS, Inc. Ashton Closner Gozoe Wireless LLP Richard Hatherill JrCnyWireless Michael LeesWestern Communications, Inc. Mark Montgomery Net-Change.Com Scott Johnson Turbonet Kevin TuckerTucker Communications, Inc. Michael Sanders DD Wireless Joe Knapp City of Sandy Mark Stephenson Country Conenctions Chris Johnson Global Net Inc. Shane MillerCollins Communications Inc. Brough Turner Ashtonbrooke Corporation Adam Forsee Wildfire Communications, LLC K Hugo California Broadband Services Michael Fitch BT David Raj Kishore.M Remo Communications Matthew Sickles AeroWire Comminications Inc. Tim Sylvester Avanzar Networks Curt Tuttle Til-Tek Ennio Bongiorno BBANDA S.R.L David WilliamsonWinchester Wireless Francesco Pispisa Aircomm IT S.R.L. Kristian Hoffmann Fire2Wire Evandro Varonil Americana Digital Chuck Hogg QuickLink Wireless Mark YassineBrighttel Corporation Jack Wilson Solutions4ebiz Charlie Frans Chimayo Red, LLC Eric Bermel Simple-Mobility LLC Pamela ValentineExalt Communications, Inc. Steven M. Bastardi The Home Town Network Inc Brian Vargyas Baltic Networks Chad Potts Greenway Communications LLC If you aren't yet a member of WISPA, please go to http://signup.wispa.org today to get started. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those types of devices. They don't have the switch built in, so its a mid-span injector. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
No one has them yet but Ubiquiti does make them. http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those types of devices. Â They don't have the switch built in, so its a mid-span injector. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
There are MANY, MANY other ways to "pierce the corporate veil" than signing a personal guarantee. It's interesting how many corporations don't hold regular shareholder's meetings. That is often the easiest way that people break the veil without a meeting, it appears the corporation is acting as a partnership or sole proprietor, in which case there is no corporation protection. Regardless, actually breaking through the veil, etc. would only be required if the company didn't pay the bills... in which case, the company is probably bankrupt which means the person is probably without any money either... so really, it's a moo point. (Yes, I meant moo. Anyone watch Friends? :)) Travis Microserv rwf wrote: True- Also knows an "piercing the corporate veil". Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our Authorize.net transactions who did not require that. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM To: fwatts; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: "Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "can...@believewireless.net" p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Yes, UBNT makes two (an indoor and outdoor version): http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php Output is 16v, 0.8A. Randy rwf wrote: Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Yes, you can. Ubiquiti has such a device. It takes 802.3af from a switch, and converts it to 16V regular passive PoE at the top of the tower. http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php http://ubnt.com/downloads/instant8023af.pdf George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those types of devices. They don't have the switch built in, so its a mid-span injector. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
If you tack-solder a 25k resistor between 4/5 and 7/8, your passive device should work. Tom S. - Original Message - From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Pacific wireless / Laird Technologies makes some units that can do this. http://www.lairdtech.com/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=idItemID=4454 Shireen also makes a device for this. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=53products_id=90 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
Does this help? http://inetpro.org/wiki/OSPF_Reference_Bandwidth_Calculator If not what does it need that you want? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
show ip route -Matt On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
ya, there is a route calculation done in Routing ospf in MT IT shows you the costs. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations show ip route -Matt On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
UBNT either has one out or is coming out with one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Must be some of the newest stuff. Thanks everyone for that info. And have a happy Thanksgiving. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Yes, you can. Ubiquiti has such a device. It takes 802.3af from a switch, and converts it to 16V regular passive PoE at the top of the tower. http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php http://ubnt.com/downloads/instant8023af.pdf George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those types of devices. They don't have the switch built in, so its a mid-span injector. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
And we should make sure to never, never do any of them. Any corporate lawyer will tell you that to be a corporation you have to act like a corporation, which includes all the red tape and seemingly silly stuff. But signing personal guarantees is a much less obvious way of doing it too. There are plenty of times that the company is bankrupt but the former principals still have their money and that is the reason you don't want to do this. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle There are MANY, MANY other ways to pierce the corporate veil than signing a personal guarantee. It's interesting how many corporations don't hold regular shareholder's meetings. That is often the easiest way that people break the veil without a meeting, it appears the corporation is acting as a partnership or sole proprietor, in which case there is no corporation protection. Regardless, actually breaking through the veil, etc. would only be required if the company didn't pay the bills... in which case, the company is probably bankrupt which means the person is probably without any money either... so really, it's a moo point. (Yes, I meant moo. Anyone watch Friends? :)) Travis Microserv rwf wrote: True- Also knows an piercing the corporate veil. Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our Authorize.net transactions who did not require that. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM To: fwatts; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott mailto:rsp...@cspott.com rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: mailto:can...@believewireless.net can...@believewireless.net mailto:p...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Scratch that - I forgot about the voltage conversion :-) the 25K resistor will tell the POE switch that your device is compatible, but won't lower the voltage from 48 to 12. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE If you tack-solder a 25k resistor between 4/5 and 7/8, your passive device should work. Tom S. - Original Message - From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.80/2523 - Release Date: 11/24/09 07:46:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
Right, but that is not what I am looking for. I want to put each interface and the cost assigned to that interface in a database. I want to put in the interfaces each interface is directly connected to in the database. I want the tool to calculate the routes and cost between two selected interfaces. I guess what I want is an off-line cost calculator. This way I can change one cost and see all the routes that are influenced by the change, without impacting the real network. It also means that before adding another node I can easily determine what costs to set on the new node to ensure traffic flows the best way. This will also help in determining the best route to use should the load on any given link rise to the point that I need to route some of the traffic over different links. Dennis Burgess wrote: ya, there is a route calculation done in Routing ospf in MT IT shows you the costs. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations show ip route -Matt On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
This maybe? http://www.cc-consult.co.uk/ospfcalc.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Right, but that is not what I am looking for. I want to put each interface and the cost assigned to that interface in a database. I want to put in the interfaces each interface is directly connected to in the database. I want the tool to calculate the routes and cost between two selected interfaces. I guess what I want is an off-line cost calculator. This way I can change one cost and see all the routes that are influenced by the change, without impacting the real network. It also means that before adding another node I can easily determine what costs to set on the new node to ensure traffic flows the best way. This will also help in determining the best route to use should the load on any given link rise to the point that I need to route some of the traffic over different links. Dennis Burgess wrote: ya, there is a route calculation done in Routing ospf in MT IT shows you the costs. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations show ip route -Matt On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Ubuquiti has something like that. -- From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
I had seen that, Josh, but it wasn't quite what I am looking for. It may be useful in what I am looking for, but not quite it. Josh Luthman wrote: Does this help? http://inetpro.org/wiki/OSPF_Reference_Bandwidth_Calculator If not what does it need that you want? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations
I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for then, perhaps other people are in the same position or it doesn't exist as you suggested... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I had seen that, Josh, but it wasn't quite what I am looking for. It may be useful in what I am looking for, but not quite it. Josh Luthman wrote: Does this help? http://inetpro.org/wiki/OSPF_Reference_Bandwidth_Calculator If not what does it need that you want? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and track what you have set for OSPF costs? What I would really like is something I can enter the link costs for all the paths and then it will show the costs and routes between 2 selected nodes. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 19:45:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
If corporate officers of a 10 million dollar company sign a personal guarantee for the company, one of two things are happening - the corp officer is an idiot, or they are in the toilet already. Any attorney will tell you not to sign a personal guarantee. I have only been asked once, I said no, and they came back and said no problem. I have a buddy who owns a tower company with a 44 million line of credit - no personal guarantees. And keeping the corporate veil from being peirced is why we have attornies. Hand them the corporate book, and pay them to keep it current. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies. Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes. Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Pacwireless also has 802.af to 12 and 24 volt splitters. -- From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Scratch that - I forgot about the voltage conversion :-) the 25K resistor will tell the POE switch that your device is compatible, but won't lower the voltage from 48 to 12. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE If you tack-solder a 25k resistor between 4/5 and 7/8, your passive device should work. Tom S. - Original Message - From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by passive poe (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.80/2523 - Release Date: 11/24/09 07:46:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants
Very good job. Let see, three days of booze, food, service, surrounded by water...good closing technique! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants It's hard to say for sure as I haven't seen a list of WWL attendees. I would guess around 15 are a result of the cruise, but it may be as high as 20. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants I see several Vendor Members, which is good. How many of these are a result of WWL? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@supernovatechnologies.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants WISPA is proud to announce 44 New Member applications since October 1st. We want to thank all the new applicants for supporting our efforts to support our Wireless Industry and each WISP business. It is truly enlightening to know that so many new companies are recognizing the value and voice that WISPA is bringing to our industry and have recognized the Power of Many, far outweighs the power of one. Michael Hughes Antelecom, Inc. Michael Liu ReadyLink Systems, Inc. Jeffrey Collins SonicNet Inc Greg BallardBroadband on Demand dba Kentucky WiMAX Matt ComeauxMain Street Internet Ty Carter Lightwave Communications of NC James ChildsVelowave Robert Haas BPS Networks Michael R MarriaRed Coyote, Inc Dennis CartyThunderbird Broadband Jack Gorman, Jr.Global NMS, Inc. Ashton Closner Gozoe Wireless LLP Richard Hatherill JrCnyWireless Michael LeesWestern Communications, Inc. Mark Montgomery Net-Change.Com Scott Johnson Turbonet Kevin TuckerTucker Communications, Inc. Michael Sanders DD Wireless Joe Knapp City of Sandy Mark Stephenson Country Conenctions Chris Johnson Global Net Inc. Shane MillerCollins Communications Inc. Brough Turner Ashtonbrooke Corporation Adam Forsee Wildfire Communications, LLC K Hugo California Broadband Services Michael Fitch BT David Raj Kishore.M Remo Communications Matthew Sickles AeroWire Comminications Inc. Tim Sylvester Avanzar Networks Curt Tuttle Til-Tek Ennio Bongiorno BBANDA S.R.L David WilliamsonWinchester Wireless Francesco Pispisa Aircomm IT S.R.L. Kristian Hoffmann Fire2Wire Evandro Varonil Americana Digital Chuck Hogg QuickLink Wireless Mark YassineBrighttel Corporation Jack Wilson Solutions4ebiz Charlie Frans Chimayo Red, LLC Eric Bermel Simple-Mobility LLC Pamela ValentineExalt Communications, Inc. Steven M. Bastardi The Home Town Network Inc Brian Vargyas Baltic Networks Chad Potts Greenway Communications LLC If you aren't yet a member of WISPA, please go to http://signup.wispa.org today to get started. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.81/2524 - Release Date: 11/24/09 19:37:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. Jayson Baker wrote: IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
