Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
I had not heard that different metals are more or less effective at RF shielding at higher frequencies. I had heard of Mu metal that's used in audio recording studios to specifically block 60Hz hum. I tried to find info about what attenuation different materials offer and all I could find was this: http://www.ramayes.com/EMI_RF_Foil_Shielding.htm According to them the shielding (up to 10GHz) is about the same for the different materials. I know all the amps and splitters the cable company uses up on their poles are aluminum. Greg On Dec 3, 2009, at 12:41 AM, MDK wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus.
This is only to the NTIA. The government agency that's handling a lot of the stimulus grants. How else will they be sure that an area doesn't already have coverage? This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. It would have been better if the NTIA had asked the FCC if areas X,Y and Z already had coverage, but this is still OK. Now if they start handing it out to anyone that asks, that'll be an entirely different program! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus. I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over-private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus.
This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. LOL, you sir are the reason that we referred/used this data for our pending grant application :-) I appreciate your 'forward' thinking. And BTW just for the record; the grant application was not as easy as writing something down on a cocktail napkin... ;-) To print our application out takes the better part of a ream of paper. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus. This is only to the NTIA. The government agency that's handling a lot of the stimulus grants. How else will they be sure that an area doesn't already have coverage? This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. It would have been better if the NTIA had asked the FCC if areas X,Y and Z already had coverage, but this is still OK. Now if they start handing it out to anyone that asks, that'll be an entirely different program! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus. I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
Plastic next to the antennas??? CRAZY! So the radios pretty much talk to themselves a lot, huh. Hearing voices in their heads. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure I have to laugh at one of our competitors who uses PLASTIC enclosures next to their antennas on the tower. Even on the most RF-jam packed sites. One site in particular you can almost get a fluorescent light to glow just holding it in your hands. And there they are with their plastic enclosures. And can't figure out why their system sucks ass. Oh well. They burned us for over $100k in consulting fees and equipment. It makes me laugh everytime I see it. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus.
LOL Yeah. But look at what great apps they have! Might as well have put them on a Mc Donald's napkin for all the good they are. True. Hopefully in the next few weeks we will see the fodder fall to the way side :-) I know there are some 'truly' worthy projects. V -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:52 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus. This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. LOL, you sir are the reason that we referred/used this data for our pending grant application :-) I appreciate your 'forward' thinking. And BTW just for the record; the grant application was not as easy as writing something down on a cocktail napkin... ;-) To print our application out takes the better part of a ream of paper. LOL Yeah. But look at what great apps they have! Might as well have put them on a Mc Donald's napkin for all the good they are. grin marlon V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus. This is only to the NTIA. The government agency that's handling a lot of the stimulus grants. How else will they be sure that an area doesn't already have coverage? This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. It would have been better if the NTIA had asked the FCC if areas X,Y and Z already had coverage, but this is still OK. Now if they start handing it out to anyone that asks, that'll be an entirely different program! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus. I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
I know some special purpose plastic enclosures made for RF work have conductive/shielding qualities to them. There's even conductive/shielding paint one can buy for RF projects. So those plastic boxes might not be as bad as you think. Greg On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: More along the lines of plastic enclosures versus metal enclosures. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Plastic next to the antennas??? CRAZY! So the radios pretty much talk to themselves a lot, huh. Hearing voices in their heads. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure I have to laugh at one of our competitors who uses PLASTIC enclosures next to their antennas on the tower. Even on the most RF-jam packed sites. One site in particular you can almost get a fluorescent light to glow just holding it in your hands. And there they are with their plastic enclosures. And can't figure out why their system sucks ass. Oh well. They burned us for over $100k in consulting fees and equipment. It makes me laugh everytime I see it. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
Yeah, they're bad. Trust me. When we very first started using MT that was all that was available. They're total garbage. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I know some special purpose plastic enclosures made for RF work have conductive/shielding qualities to them. There's even conductive/shielding paint one can buy for RF projects. So those plastic boxes might not be as bad as you think. Greg On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: More along the lines of plastic enclosures versus metal enclosures. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Plastic next to the antennas??? CRAZY! So the radios pretty much talk to themselves a lot, huh. Hearing voices in their heads. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure I have to laugh at one of our competitors who uses PLASTIC enclosures next to their antennas on the tower. Even on the most RF-jam packed sites. One site in particular you can almost get a fluorescent light to glow just holding it in your hands. And there they are with their plastic enclosures. And can't figure out why their system sucks ass. Oh well. They burned us for over $100k in consulting fees and equipment. It makes me laugh everytime I see it. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card
[WISPA] wireless mysteries
Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
Hrm...disturbed the cable run(s) on the way up? Orwireless card in your laptop. -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
What did you do to fix it? Looks to me like your laptop or the switch caused the problem. Wireless card in the laptop doesn't transmit unless it's acting as an AP, which it uniquely done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Hrm...disturbed the cable run(s) on the way up? Orwireless card in your laptop. -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
But what did you do to fix it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
The watter tank was empty and you where on overlapping frequencies. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Were you in front of the backhauls? -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you were working on top of the tank? Randy Cosby wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
OR... the laptop was radiating strong spurious RF energy and that spurious energy was interfering with the receiving ability of your backhauls. Jack Unger wrote: You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you were working on top of the tank? Randy Cosby wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
You left your p2p client running on your laptop from the night before, and it started downloading 100GB's of illegal music, taking down the backhauls. :) Travis Microserv Philip Dorr wrote: The watter tank was empty and you where on overlapping frequencies. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Were you in front of the backhauls? -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
Removed harness?! WHAT?! Such an idea gives me a headache. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you were working on top of the tank? Randy Cosby wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
After looking at a lot of the stuff you guys guessed, I next suspected my cell phone. Shut it off, no changes. Then out of desparation I unplugged the laptop and shut if off. After about 45 seconds, things cleaned up. Culprit: *http://tinyurl.com/yapstzd *I have a feeling this replacement ac adapter (a wire shorted on my original one ) never went through FCC emissions testing. Ordered a new Dell OEM later that day. I wonder how many other devices out there spew crud and raise our noise floors like this? Randy Josh Luthman wrote: But what did you do to fix it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries
Ding ding ding... We have a winner... Close enough! Randy Jack Unger wrote: OR... the laptop was radiating strong spurious RF energy and that spurious energy was interfering with the receiving ability of your backhauls. Jack Unger wrote: You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you were working on top of the tank? Randy Cosby wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wireless mysteries Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I head for the first backhaul and before I even open the enclosure, I start getting alerts (SMS messages) about BOTH of my backhaul links having problems. I haven't touched anything on them yet. Figured out the problem and fixed it within about 20 minutes. Any guesses what the problem was? Interested to see what everyone would suspect first. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
Not sure I buy that. Platinum is the best conductor, then gold, then silver. Copper and aluminum are up there too, and way better than steel. I have an old 50s vintage radio receiver that came out of a submarine. You can place a plastic cased laptop computer right on top of it and there is no noise in the receiver, even at long wave frequencies. The radio cabinet is ultra shielded. The cabinet is 1/8 copper plate. Aluminum conducts almost as well as copper as far as RF shielding goes. Most old lightning rods I've ever met were made of bronze too. Why? It can get hit many times without melting. At 11:41 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
There are private weather radar systems that live around 5600 MHz as well. You can find them with ULS. Avoid the licensed frequencies in use by these systems within a few hundred NM. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rwf wrote: I am not sure but I think it is pretty much limited to Military installations. I haven't been able to verify this for sure, but one of my mesh gear providers deals pretty much only with DOD installations and he tells me that that is where the RADAR is that caused us to have to deal with the DFS rules. I could be totally wrong, but that is what he said. Ralph Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? Anyone know of a way to find out what freq a weather radar is operating on? I know of several local ones and would like to know what freq they operate on for safety sake. Any ideas? I've looked everywhere and found nothing? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? IMO, it is iffy for the reason you mentioned. The FCC (at the request of the FAA and the NTIA) appears ready to deny use of the 5.6 spectrum in areas where interference with airport weather radar takes place. I doubt that any WISP would ague that their use of that spectrum is more important than safe operation of commercial aircraft. I expect that newly certified 5 GHz equipment will soon (within the next year) include a updated DFS algorithm that looks for the presence of 5.6 GHz radar and switches away from 5.6 when radar is detected. Your existing equipment may remain technically legal but you do run the risk of possibly being blamed for aircraft crashes assuming you are unlucky enough to be using 5.6 near airports where you could cause actual interference to Terminal Doppler Weather Radar systems. See http://tiny.cc/LIlqB for more information. jack Travis Johnson wrote: It's iffy because the FCC allowed the specific band, and now they are trying to take it back away... two years later. If I never upgrade my radios, does that mean I'm legal to run in that specific band forever? I just don't understand how they can allow it for 2 years, and then try and take it away and think they are going to clean up the airways. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. I don't understand what is iffy about the band... Canopy operators have been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? 5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty iffy.jack Forbes Mercy wrote: My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
What are these? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We use these for anything larger than a 532. We've had great success with them over the last couple years. Not one has leaked as far as I know. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to weather proof connectors. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a particularly cold day last year. http://www.dot11net.com/pics/dce_water.html Cameron Josh Luthman wrote: What are these? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We use these for anything larger than a 532. We've had great success with them over the last couple years. Not one has leaked as far as I know. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to weather proof connectors. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
Then why do they call it Tin Foil if is really aluminum? Maybe you need a ground wire to a copper plate on the bottom of your shoes. Robert West wrote: So my aluminum foil hat is just bogus Man, I was wondering. Now I need to find some steel foil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
2009/12/3 ccrum cc...@dot11net.com: The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a particularly cold day last year. http://www.dot11net.com/pics/dce_water.html We use the same hinged enclosure, but grease the o-ring to get a better seal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
Looks like you found out that ice can make the perfect sealant. Kept all that water inside! Good find. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a particularly cold day last year. http://www.dot11net.com/pics/dce_water.html Cameron Josh Luthman wrote: What are these? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We use these for anything larger than a 532. We've had great success with them over the last couple years. Not one has leaked as far as I know. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to weather proof connectors. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
The vernacular is carried over from days of yore when aluminum was as expensive as gold and one would be crazy to wrap things in aluminum. Maybe we've all been mislead into thinking these aluminum foil hats would protect us from the government mind control experiments, however. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Then why do they call it Tin Foil if is really aluminum? Maybe you need a ground wire to a copper plate on the bottom of your shoes. Robert West wrote: So my aluminum foil hat is just bogus Man, I was wondering. Now I need to find some steel foil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over-private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with derivatives and toxic assets, but never changed the rules for loaning money back to the way it was. So no loans still...now the banks are giving the $$ back because of the intrusive nature of the lien holder telling them who can be paid what and many other internal things. A banker friend of mine said It's like a eighth grader coming in telling us how to run our bank, no life experience, no job experience, no work ethic, no ethics discernable, but he's read the book. So these gov types, with NO business experience, especially in your business, are going to lay out the hoops on the quicksand for you to jump in and out of? Good luck to those of you that are becoming part of this, I do hope I'm wrong for your families sake. Too, too many hooks for me. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
And lead is for protect against cyptonite :) On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of wireless otherwise 100 people would need to jump in right about here and start explaining their political positions :-[ Chuck Profito wrote: This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with derivatives and toxic assets, but never changed the rules for loaning money back to the way it was. So no loans still...now the banks are giving the $$ back because of the intrusive nature of the lien holder telling them who can be paid what and many other internal things. A banker friend of mine said "It's like a eighth grader coming in telling us how to run our bank, no life experience, no job experience, no work ethic, no ethics discernable, but he's read the book." So these gov types, with NO business experience, especially in your business, are going to lay out the hoops on the quicksand for you to jump in and out of? Good luck to those of you that are becoming part of this, I do hope I'm wrong for your families sake. Too, too many hooks for me. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure
I'm not sure now. We have probably been misled about that as well. It's getting to be where a conspiracy theorist just can't trust anyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure And lead is for protect against cyptonite :) On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job of shielding if you attach the pigtail. How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? Mike At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List'
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
The topic says FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. not wireless :) Call it political or whatever, the comments are on topic. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of wireless otherwise 100 people would need to jump in right about here and start explaining their political positions :-[ Chuck Profito wrote: This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with derivatives and toxic assets, but never changed the rules for loaning money back to the way it was. So no loans still...now the banks are giving the $$ back because of the intrusive nature of the lien holder telling them who can be paid what and many other internal things. A banker friend of mine said It's like a eighth grader coming in telling us how to run our bank, no life experience, no job experience, no work ethic, no ethics discernable, but he's read the book. So these gov types, with NO business experience, especially in your business, are going to lay out the hoops on the quicksand for you to jump in and out of? Good luck to those of you that are becoming part of this, I do hope I'm wrong for your families sake. Too, too many hooks for me. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartoschch...@clarityconnect.com ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
I agree with Rick, Chuck and Travis thus far. Nothing is free and unfortunately the cancer our government has spawned is spreading into our industry right along with autos, banks, health care, etc, etc. That is clearly why this is on topic. Government doesn't create anything much less create jobs. The American entrepreneur is who creates jobs... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. The topic says FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. not wireless :) Call it political or whatever, the comments are on topic. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of wireless otherwise 100 people would need to jump in right about here and start explaining their political positions :-[ Chuck Profito wrote: This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with derivatives and toxic assets, but never changed the rules for loaning money back to the way it was. So no loans still...now the banks are giving the $$ back because of the intrusive nature of the lien holder telling them who can be paid what and many other internal things. A banker friend of mine said It's like a eighth grader coming in telling us how to run our bank, no life experience, no job experience, no work ethic, no ethics discernable, but he's read the book. So these gov types, with NO business experience, especially in your business, are going to lay out the hoops on the quicksand for you to jump in and out of? Good luck to those of you that are becoming part of this, I do hope I'm wrong for your families sake. Too, too many hooks for me. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartoschch...@clarityconnect.com ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
