Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?
deep sigh marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel? > Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb connectivity > from Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires January 31, 2010 > > Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 > miles. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?
Cool. Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down. Brian On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb connectivity from > Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires January 31, 2010 > > Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 miles. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?
My guess is that it has more to do with all the fiber that was laid during the lead-up to the dot-bomb...and sold off for pennies on the dollar. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel? Cool. Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down. Brian On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb > connectivity from Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires > January 31, 2010 > > Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 miles. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses
Hi All, I'm very close to putting my two networks together and will be able to run BGP. We're also in need of some more IP addys. Can anyone there help me get through the process of picking up my own IP space? I've never done that and am now ready to give it a shot. A paid consultant would be fine. Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:01, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm very close to putting my two networks together and will be able to run > BGP. > > We're also in need of some more IP addys. > > Can anyone there help me get through the process of picking up my own IP > space? I've never done that and am now ready to give it a shot. > > A paid consultant would be fine. > > It's relatively simple, as such things go. Basically, you go to ARIN and give them some money. :) You'll need a plan for renumbering your networks (so that your existing space, which presumably comes from upstream ISPs, can be returned to them), and you'll need to be sure your upstreams will talk BGP with you. Otherwise, it's a bit of paperwork and a bit of cash. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses
I assume you already have your ASN#? Also if you upstream provider has provided at a minimum /24 block to you, (even if it is their block), you can still advertise it via BGP. You'll just need their permission to do so, that way you don't need to renumber immediately while still gaining the benefits of have BGP running between upstream providers. Ideally you want your own IP block since it allows more flexibility in moving between upstream providers without the need to renumber. And as David pointed out, the process of getting the block is fairly straight forward. Bret On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:05 -0600, David E. Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:01, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm very close to putting my two networks together and will be able to run > > BGP. > > > > We're also in need of some more IP addys. > > > > Can anyone there help me get through the process of picking up my own IP > > space? I've never done that and am now ready to give it a shot. > > > > A paid consultant would be fine. > > > > > It's relatively simple, as such things go. Basically, you go to ARIN and > give them some money. :) > > You'll need a plan for renumbering your networks (so that your existing > space, which presumably comes from upstream ISPs, can be returned to them), > and you'll need to be sure your upstreams will talk BGP with you. Otherwise, > it's a bit of paperwork and a bit of cash. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? A - Much more B - Somewhat more C - Same D - More pessimistic If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. Thank, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?
Depends on the exact route, but a significant number of those long haul routes are actually full (either technically full or competitively locked up), both domestic and international. Several more cables have been planned and some are completed. Submarine cables are usually owned by several telecoms. http://cable.tmcnet.com/topics/cable/articles/52580-trans-pacific-capacity-possible-new-price-war.htm TPE (Verizon, etc.) completed Unity (Google, etc.) 1Q2010 completion AAG (AT&T, etc.) completed Allied Fiber is currently constructing Chicago - New York - Ashburn, with "plans" to do a ring around the entire country. http://dark-fiber.tmcnet.com/topics/dark-fiber/articles/71849-dark-fiber-report-big-stuff-ahead-allied-fiber.htm Also note in there that AT&T and Verizon have commited a combined $35B to build out fiber to the tower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jeff Broadwick" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:33 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel? > My guess is that it has more to do with all the fiber that was laid during > the lead-up to the dot-bomb...and sold off for pennies on the dollar. > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > Jeff Broadwick > ImageStream > 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel? > > Cool. Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down. > > Brian > > On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb >> connectivity from Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires >> January 31, 2010 >> >> Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 > miles. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
A Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Patrick Leary" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:47:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? A - Much more B - Somewhat more C - Same D - More pessimistic If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. Thank, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
B As far as the "market" goes, technology advances, costs, etc. goes, I'm much more optimistic. As far as interference with free-markets (stuff largely out of my control), I'm much more cautious. Randy On 1/4/2010 10:34 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > A > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Patrick Leary" > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:47:01 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
more pessimistic.All of our futures depend on economic activity, growth and health Sadly, Washington, DC continues to demonstrate a vast wealth of cluelessness... -- From: "Patrick Leary" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 08:47 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote: > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic I'd have to say "C". I don't see much change in the marketplace. I am optimistic now as I always have been. The WISP market is as good today as it has always been. I DO think there is room for improvement, but I don't think our opportunities are better (or worse) than they've ever been. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
B The market itself is becoming more aware of fixed wireless so it's an easier sell however the equipment costs and ease of operation are now to the point where anyone can purchase, install and blast 2.4ghz at full power in all directions. I see the lowered cost of equipment as a good thing as far as ROI however I'm seeing private individuals with the newer stuff and using it with total disregard to FCC regulations. As if the 2.4 spectrum wasn't a mess already these novice users are going to wipe out what was left of it and will migrate to the 5ghz as well. I think the next year will see more and more of these baby-wispers doing their own PTP, causing us lots of trouble. In a few years I see running a licensed operation as the only way to avoid most of the mess. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? A - Much more B - Somewhat more C - Same D - More pessimistic If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. Thank, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
Option D for WISPs, Option A for ISPs... increasing bandwidth pressure is getting harder to manage with wireless, but the market is good for any ISPs other than incumbents tellco and cableco. Rubens On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
LOL What kind of question is that? big grin The short answer is, it depends. I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of staff etc. Technologically life is better than ever. I'm not excited about usage. This netflix thing is looking like it'll have a bigger impact than Napster had in the past. With the new usage there is NO incentive for the customer to purchase new faster services like there was when we went from dialup to broadband. My bill for upstream went up by nearly 10% last month alone! This based on the 95% usage mechanism we're billed for. It's up by almost twice over the last 12 months. This in spite of a 50% DROP in per mb/s costs from that particular provider. Unless costs go WAY down or we find a way to bill the content providers for the traffic that's being generated I'm not sure what will happen over the next 3 to 5 years. Per bit billing only works if everyone (or nearly everyone) does it. Xbox is also a problem these days. No other gaming system out there is as picky with the network design or performance. Not even close. Xbox requires very nearly perfect connections between the gamers or there are significant lag issues that drive the gamers nuts. I don't see any trend in the content providers giving a rats behind about what their crappy encryption mechanisms etc. do to the transport people. I don't see any improvements on the horizon. On a good note though, this has to be just KILLING the big players. At least we have a somewhat captive audience, often a forgiving and tech savvy one at that. People who "just don't get it" don't often last long in the sticks, they have to be able to hire help for everything they need so they end up in the cities :-). If we last the next 5 years I think we'll be in good shape. But for the first time since I've been in business I'm worried about the business models. I just can't find one that works for us and the customer. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
I'm seeing the same thing. I can literally track it month to month and show the bill and useage going up each month by far more than the growth of our customer base. In 3 months I've added 25% to my useage. KA-POW! That's one serious bunch of data useage. -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:58 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > LOL > > What kind of question is that? big grin > > The short answer is, it depends. > > I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited > about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of staff > etc. Technologically life is better than ever. > > I'm not excited about usage. This netflix thing is looking like it'll > have > a bigger impact than Napster had in the past. With the new usage there is > NO incentive for the customer to purchase new faster services like there > was > when we went from dialup to broadband. > > My bill for upstream went up by nearly 10% last month alone! This based > on > the 95% usage mechanism we're billed for. It's up by almost twice over > the > last 12 months. This in spite of a 50% DROP in per mb/s costs from that > particular provider. > > Unless costs go WAY down or we find a way to bill the content providers > for > the traffic that's being generated I'm not sure what will happen over the > next 3 to 5 years. Per bit billing only works if everyone (or nearly > everyone) does it. > > Xbox is also a problem these days. No other gaming system out there is as > picky with the network design or performance. Not even close. Xbox > requires very nearly perfect connections between the gamers or there are > significant lag issues that drive the gamers nuts. > > I don't see any trend in the content providers giving a rats behind about > what their crappy encryption mechanisms etc. do to the transport people. > I > don't see any improvements on the horizon. > > On a good note though, this has to be just KILLING the big players. At > least we have a somewhat captive audience, often a forgiving and tech > savvy > one at that. People who "just don't get it" don't often last long in the > sticks, they have to be able to hire help for everything they need so they > end up in the cities :-). > > If we last the next 5 years I think we'll be in good shape. But for the > first time since I've been in business I'm worried about the business > models. I just can't find one that works for us and the customer. > > laters, > marlon > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Patrick Leary" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM > Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > >> Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: >> >> For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? >> >> A - Much more >> B - Somewhat more >> C - Same >> D - More pessimistic >> >> If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. >> >> Thank, >> >> Patrick >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me... - Matt Ugo Bellavance wrote: > On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote: >> Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for >> throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same >> public IP. One public IP per customer. > > As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we > NAT everything behind one public IP. > >> Ugo Bellavance wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is >>> allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe >>> from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling >>> traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you >>> guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP >>> address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Ugo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
Things like Netflix do pose an interesting challenge to ISPs and I'm not sure how best it gets addressed. Too bad users don't accept metered use of their broadband like they do their cell phone use. Personally, I killed my Netflix now that I can get movies for a buck at dozens of Redbox kiosks outside local grocery and drug stores. I suppose if I lived in a rural place though, it'd still be a customer. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs LOL What kind of question is that? big grin The short answer is, it depends. I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of staff etc. Technologically life is better than ever. I'm not excited about usage. This netflix thing is looking like it'll have a bigger impact than Napster had in the past. With the new usage there is NO incentive for the customer to purchase new faster services like there was when we went from dialup to broadband. My bill for upstream went up by nearly 10% last month alone! This based on the 95% usage mechanism we're billed for. It's up by almost twice over the last 12 months. This in spite of a 50% DROP in per mb/s costs from that particular provider. Unless costs go WAY down or we find a way to bill the content providers for the traffic that's being generated I'm not sure what will happen over the next 3 to 5 years. Per bit billing only works if everyone (or nearly everyone) does it. Xbox is also a problem these days. No other gaming system out there is as picky with the network design or performance. Not even close. Xbox requires very nearly perfect connections between the gamers or there are significant lag issues that drive the gamers nuts. I don't see any trend in the content providers giving a rats behind about what their crappy encryption mechanisms etc. do to the transport people. I don't see any improvements on the horizon. On a good note though, this has to be just KILLING the big players. At least we have a somewhat captive audience, often a forgiving and tech savvy one at that. People who "just don't get it" don't often last long in the sticks, they have to be able to hire help for everything they need so they end up in the cities :-). If we last the next 5 years I think we'll be in good shape. But for the first time since I've been in business I'm worried about the business models. I just can't find one that works for us and the customer. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 14:34, Patrick Leary wrote: > Things like Netflix do pose an interesting challenge to ISPs and I'm not > sure how best it gets addressed. Too bad users don't accept metered use > of their broadband like they do their cell phone use. Sprint, at least, offers an "unlimited everything" plan. Does exactly what it sounds like - unlimited voice, data, roaming (except internationally). Cell phone usage is easier to meter, at least for voice, because we all know more-or-less how long "one minute" is in terms of talking. We all have a decent sense of how time works, at least well enough that billing by the minute is fairly intuitive to consumers. Bandwidth is a much more fuzzy thing. I couldn't tell you how much bandwidth it takes to stream a seven-minute YouTube clip, and I work in this field; a typical non-IT home user will be even more lost. If you want to sell by the bit, you also need to do a really good job of educating users so they know what they'll get, and you have to keep these things up-to-date. For instance, ten years ago, I used "one minute of MP3 audio is about 1MB," and at the time that was accurate. Today, most folks encode their audio at higher bit rates, and many people buy from the iTunes Store; it's probably closer to 2MB per minutes now, based on an informal sample of my music library. And this doesn't even account for things like online radio stations, streaming video (both YouTube-grade and Netflix-grade), online gaming (what's the rate of bits-per-bullet?) and any of a few hundred other things. (Anyone who suggests Web sites need interstitial labels - "this Web site may take up to 4MB of bandwidth to load, do you wish to continue" - gets socked in the jaw.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement
Rick- Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it! Helps to have some foundation to begin from. Take care & Happy new year! `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement You're welcome to use the attached but it comes with no guarantees. -RickG On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: > Looking for a boiler-plate tower lease agreement - anyone willing to share? > Thanks in advance. > > `S > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
The government is always mad at me for one thing or another. I NAT as well, saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's. They can be mad at me a little more, tis okay with me. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me... - Matt Ugo Bellavance wrote: > On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote: >> Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for >> throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same >> public IP. One public IP per customer. > > As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we > NAT everything behind one public IP. > >> Ugo Bellavance wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is >>> allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe >>> from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling >>> traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you >>> guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP >>> address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Ugo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
For 2010, " the short term", I am much more optimistic. Demand is as strong as ever. Technology is evolving, to enable us to better compete. Every day,WISPs are 1 day closer to profitabilty than the day before. But there is also a down side. I'm less optimistic on the "long term". Customer perception and demand for faster speeds for less money is growing, and commodity providers (RBOCs/Cable Cos) are starting to work further in to WISP served territories, to put on the competitive pressure. WISPs are less certain about longevity of the market, and will be looking for quicker ROI, to reduce RISK. WISPs will do well in 2010 because they are adding custoemrs faster than they are loosing them, and better possitoned to do so. But, the bad news is they are also loosing customers to competition. This has the potential to harm hardware purchases, because when WISPs loose customers, they often relocate the gear they already own. Manufacturers that increase sales most will be the ones that are offering new products with enough new value (capacity) to justify the replacement of gear already live in place. WISPs will be more concience about excellerating ROI and less interested in long term investment. There is no doubt 2010 will be better than 2009. But what about 2012 & 2013? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: > 5/15/2009 6:16 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such "trash". My perception is they are either people who are not spending their own money - they are working for the investor, or possibly borrowing or leasing the equipment, or they are a vendor promoting their own high margin goods. Those that are WISPs seem to have the perception that it is better to install higher cost equipment, no matter what the cost, if it will provide them an expected reduction in support costs. What I have found in my area is that people who deploy such equipment have a very hard go of it, mainly because the replacement costs during the storm season eat their lunch. My operational plan is different than some - I focus on residential customers on the outskirts of town that do not have access to Cable and DSL. Those focusing on business accounts in cities would understandably have a different perspective. But I feel very fortunate to have a sub $200 total CPE cost (sometimes sub $100) with the Mikrotik-type solution. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
I could only wish that some people would know how long one minute was. However Verizon wireless is making the case easier to go to metered billing. -- Original Message -- From: "David E. Smith" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:47:44 -0600 >Cell phone usage is easier to meter, at least for voice, because we all know >more-or-less how long "one minute" is in terms of talking. We all have a >decent sense of how time works, at least well enough that billing by the >minute is fairly intuitive to consumers. > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Weird. Ours is completely the opposite. We keep adding customers by the truck load, but bandwidth only slowly climbs. *knock on wood* Never said I minded, though! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:55 PM, MDK wrote: > I'm seeing the same thing. > > I can literally track it month to month and show the bill and useage going > up each month by far more than the growth of our customer base. > > In 3 months I've added 25% to my useage. > > KA-POW! That's one serious bunch of data useage. > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:58 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > > LOL > > > > What kind of question is that? big grin > > > > The short answer is, it depends. > > > > I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited > > about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of > staff > > etc. Technologically life is better than ever. > > > > I'm not excited about usage. This netflix thing is looking like it'll > > have > > a bigger impact than Napster had in the past. With the new usage there > is > > NO incentive for the customer to purchase new faster services like there > > was > > when we went from dialup to broadband. > > > > My bill for upstream went up by nearly 10% last month alone! This based > > on > > the 95% usage mechanism we're billed for. It's up by almost twice over > > the > > last 12 months. This in spite of a 50% DROP in per mb/s costs from that > > particular provider. > > > > Unless costs go WAY down or we find a way to bill the content providers > > for > > the traffic that's being generated I'm not sure what will happen over the > > next 3 to 5 years. Per bit billing only works if everyone (or nearly > > everyone) does it. > > > > Xbox is also a problem these days. No other gaming system out there is > as > > picky with the network design or performance. Not even close. Xbox > > requires very nearly perfect connections between the gamers or there are > > significant lag issues that drive the gamers nuts. > > > > I don't see any trend in the content providers giving a rats behind about > > what their crappy encryption mechanisms etc. do to the transport people. > > I > > don't see any improvements on the horizon. > > > > On a good note though, this has to be just KILLING the big players. At > > least we have a somewhat captive audience, often a forgiving and tech > > savvy > > one at that. People who "just don't get it" don't often last long in the > > sticks, they have to be able to hire help for everything they need so > they > > end up in the cities :-). > > > > If we last the next 5 years I think we'll be in good shape. But for the > > first time since I've been in business I'm worried about the business > > models. I just can't find one that works for us and the customer. > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Patrick Leary" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > > > > >> Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > >> > >> For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > >> > >> A - Much more > >> B - Somewhat more > >> C - Same > >> D - More pessimistic > >> > >> If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > >> > >> Thank, > >> > >> Patrick > >> > >> > >> Patrick Leary > >> Aperto Networks > >> 813.426.4230 mobile > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.or
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Then you, my friend, are in the golden groove of wifi! They just haven't caught on. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. Weird. Ours is completely the opposite. We keep adding customers by the truck load, but bandwidth only slowly climbs. *knock on wood* Never said I minded, though! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:55 PM, MDK wrote: > I'm seeing the same thing. > > I can literally track it month to month and show the bill and useage going > up each month by far more than the growth of our customer base. > > In 3 months I've added 25% to my useage. > > KA-POW! That's one serious bunch of data useage. > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:58 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > > LOL > > > > What kind of question is that? big grin > > > > The short answer is, it depends. > > > > I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited > > about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of > staff > > etc. Technologically life is better than ever. > > > > I'm not excited about usage. This netflix thing is looking like it'll > > have > > a bigger impact than Napster had in the past. With the new usage there > is > > NO incentive for the customer to purchase new faster services like there > > was > > when we went from dialup to broadband. > > > > My bill for upstream went up by nearly 10% last month alone! This based > > on > > the 95% usage mechanism we're billed for. It's up by almost twice over > > the > > last 12 months. This in spite of a 50% DROP in per mb/s costs from that > > particular provider. > > > > Unless costs go WAY down or we find a way to bill the content providers > > for > > the traffic that's being generated I'm not sure what will happen over the > > next 3 to 5 years. Per bit billing only works if everyone (or nearly > > everyone) does it. > > > > Xbox is also a problem these days. No other gaming system out there is > as > > picky with the network design or performance. Not even close. Xbox > > requires very nearly perfect connections between the gamers or there are > > significant lag issues that drive the gamers nuts. > > > > I don't see any trend in the content providers giving a rats behind about > > what their crappy encryption mechanisms etc. do to the transport people. > > I > > don't see any improvements on the horizon. > > > > On a good note though, this has to be just KILLING the big players. At > > least we have a somewhat captive audience, often a forgiving and tech > > savvy > > one at that. People who "just don't get it" don't often last long in the > > sticks, they have to be able to hire help for everything they need so > they > > end up in the cities :-). > > > > If we last the next 5 years I think we'll be in good shape. But for the > > first time since I've been in business I'm worried about the business > > models. I just can't find one that works for us and the customer. > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Patrick Leary" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs > > > > > >> Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > >> > >> For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > >> > >> A - Much more > >> B - Somewhat more > >> C - Same > >> D - More pessimistic > >> > >> If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > >> > >> Thank, > >> > >> Patrick > >> > >> > >> Patrick Leary > >> Aperto Networks > >> 813.426.4230 mobile > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > ---
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
What bandwidth packages do you sell and how do you limit them? On 1/4/10, Robert West wrote: > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward > swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > bandwidth area. > > Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > > We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > > Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > complaining of slow speeds. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West wrote: > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to > upward > swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > bandwidth area. > > Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > > We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > > Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > complaining of slow speeds. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
That might be where you're seeing the issue. What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? How many customers do you typically have per AP? mc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who >> offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. >> >> Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their >> network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to >> upward >> swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the >> bandwidth area. >> >> Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. >> >> We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a >> small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. >> However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber >> connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. >> >> Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy >> APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik >> suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call >> complaining of slow speeds. >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
That is why logs were invented. We authenticate through radius and PPPoE. I know every IP at all times. Mc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Robert West wrote: > The government is always mad at me for one thing or another. I NAT as well, > saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's. They can be mad at me a little > more, tis okay with me. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Jenkins > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:59 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement > > The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an > IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me... > > - Matt > > Ugo Bellavance wrote: >> On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote: >>> Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for >>> throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same >>> public IP. One public IP per customer. >> >> As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we >> NAT everything behind one public IP. >> >>> Ugo Bellavance wrote: Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x > cents. Thanks in advance. Ugo > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > > >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
MDK has the problematic bandwidth hogs, not Jayson... On 1/4/10, Marco Coelho wrote: > That might be where you're seeing the issue. > > What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? > How many customers do you typically have per AP? > > mc > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: >> All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who >>> offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. >>> >>> Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their >>> network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to >>> upward >>> swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the >>> bandwidth area. >>> >>> Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net >>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. >>> >>> We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a >>> small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. >>> However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber >>> connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. >>> >>> Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy >>> APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik >>> suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call >>> complaining of slow speeds. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
And that, my friend, is what I was thinking. That's crazy fast for most of us. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West wrote: > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to > upward > swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > bandwidth area. > > Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > > We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > > Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > complaining of slow speeds. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Greenup IL
Got a business customer needing wireless internet service in Greenup IL, at a tower site. (meaning if you are in an adjoining area, a link could be possible at a decent elevation) up to a T1. They don't really need a full T-1, It is basically two VoIP paths and possibly a weather station, but they are "comfortable" with a T-1. They will need static IP. Of course, after providing service to the customer - one might find it interesting to provide wireless service to the town - LOS to most houses in town, as well as downtown businesses, etc. I am sure the tower owner, a heck of a nice guy in fact, would be willing to work something out. The business customer needs service ASAP. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in Kingfisher, OK
Anyone serving the area in or around Kingfisher in western Ok.? Have a potential lead. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement
You're welcome! LOL, I've been using that contract for the past few years with no issues. But, tonight, I got beat up by a local town council for several clauses in there. Go figure! -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: > Rick- > Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it! Helps to have some foundation to > begin from. > > Take care & Happy new year! > `S > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement > > You're welcome to use the attached but it comes with no guarantees. -RickG > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Scott Vander Dussen >wrote: > > > Looking for a boiler-plate tower lease agreement - anyone willing to > share? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > `S > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
I'm not the one seeing issues. :-) Unless you mean, my overall usage isn't matching our overall new sub count. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > That might be where you're seeing the issue. > > What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? > How many customers do you typically have per AP? > > mc > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jayson Baker > wrote: > > All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West >wrote: > > > >> What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > >> offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > >> > >> Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > >> network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to > >> upward > >> swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > >> bandwidth area. > >> > >> Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > >> > >> Bob- > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > >> > >> We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > >> small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > >> However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > >> connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > >> > >> Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > >> APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > >> suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > >> complaining of slow speeds. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
It depends. I've always been an optimistic person and things are coming together well here, but, I'm very concerned about the way our government has become so anti-capitalistic. On the positive note that I think the current congress is gonna get fired in next Novemenber's election I'd choose B. I might have chosen an A but we still have the fellow in the white house to deal with. Ask again when he is gone :) -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West >wrote: > > > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > > network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to > > upward > > swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > > bandwidth area. > > > > Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > > > > We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > > small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > > However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > > connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > > > > Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > > APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > > suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > > complaining of slow speeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement
Hi, We tried to use the same contract that we got from a tower owner that uses it with Verizon, AT&T and Nextel for a city water tower we wanted on. They had issues with several of the items, and it took 2 months to get all the details worked out (with their attorney no less). Travis Microserv RickG wrote: > You're welcome! LOL, I've been using that contract for the past few years > with no issues. But, tonight, I got beat up by a local town council for > several clauses in there. Go figure! > -RickG > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Scott Vander Dussen > wrote: > > >> Rick- >> Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it! Helps to have some foundation to >> begin from. >> >> Take care & Happy new year! >> `S >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:34 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement >> >> You're welcome to use the attached but it comes with no guarantees. -RickG >> >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Scott Vander Dussen > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Looking for a boiler-plate tower lease agreement - anyone willing to >>> >> share? >> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> `S >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is "why does it matter?". Travis Microserv RickG wrote: > Jayson, > > You dont offer speed packages? > I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? > > -RickG > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > > >> All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West > >>> wrote: >>> >>> What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who >>> offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. >>> >>> Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their >>> network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to >>> upward >>> swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the >>> bandwidth area. >>> >>> Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net >>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. >>> >>> We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a >>> small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. >>> However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber >>> connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. >>> >>> Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy >>> APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik >>> suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call >>> complaining of slow speeds. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
It's not anti-capitalistic, you just happen to be the wrong capitalist! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs It depends. I've always been an optimistic person and things are coming together well here, but, I'm very concerned about the way our government has become so anti-capitalistic. On the positive note that I think the current congress is gonna get fired in next Novemenber's election I'd choose B. I might have chosen an A but we still have the fellow in the white house to deal with. Ask again when he is gone :) -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: > > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic > > If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. > > Thank, > > Patrick > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Oh boy... here we go... > > Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola > mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his > expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to > get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any > other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. > And when asked, all he says is "why does it matter?". > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > > Jayson, > > > > You dont offer speed packages? > > I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? > > > > -RickG > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker > wrote: > > > > > >> All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West >> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those > who > >>> offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > >>> > >>> Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their > >>> network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to > >>> upward > >>> swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the > >>> bandwidth area. > >>> > >>> Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. > >>> > >>> Bob- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net > >>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. > >>> > >>> We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a > >>> small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. > >>> However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber > >>> connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. > >>> > >>> Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy > >>> APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik > >>> suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call > >>> complaining of slow speeds. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >
