Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Wimax provider? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
I think he has said he's using Mikrotik... Gino Villarini wrote: Wimax provider? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
From Peak's website: Fast, Reliable, Secure... That's what you get with our service. We took a look at off-the-shelf systems like Motorola Canopy, Trango, Mikrotik and decided they wouldn't meet our needs. We use innovative new hardware that is software neutral. We've developed our own open- source software based on the powerful Linux operating system. Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I think he has said he's using Mikrotik... Gino Villarini wrote: Wimax provider? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's the best stuff available. I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though. I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use. Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT because it's pretty low power use, which has practical value for solar sites or sites needing long battery backup. We don't have the time to tinker to use it for everything. We tried 900 with SR9 then XR9 and the reliability wasn't there compared to what we were accustomed to with Trango and Alvarion. Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a reality and requirement in many situations. A minor glitch that affects a few customers outside of town is not a big deal, but if the glitch requires half a day on the road or requires aircraft, boats, snowcats, or sleds, it could cost hundreds of dollars and mess up a lot of customers. I'd fear for my welfare if everything was built on UBNT and MT though. We use Alvarion 900, 2.4 (not going forward), 5.4, 5.8, Trango (lots of 900 installed, but not going forward), MT, UBNT, and now Solectek and Radwin. My WISP is pretty low debt 100% privately owned and financed, and we often choose higher end equipment. You do get what you pay for, but of course there are diminshing returns the higher end you go. My perception is they are either people who are not spending their own money - they are working for the investor, or possibly borrowing or leasing the equipment, or they are a vendor promoting their own high margin goods. Those that are WISPs seem to have the perception that it is better to install higher cost equipment, no matter what the cost, if it will provide them an expected reduction in support costs. What I have found in my area is that people who deploy such equipment have a very hard go of it, mainly because the replacement costs during the storm season eat their lunch. My operational plan is different than some - I focus on residential customers on the outskirts of town that do not have access to Cable and DSL. Those focusing on business accounts in cities would understandably have a different perspective. But I feel very fortunate to have a sub $200 total CPE cost (sometimes sub $100) with the Mikrotik-type solution. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a reality and requirement in many situations. When you're working as a startup, labor costs are essentially zero (and if you're asian like myself, you can call on your kids/relatives/grandparents to work nights and weekends -- the classic Chinese restaurant business model =) However, when working with employees (and I don't care how smart / hard-working / strong willed you are, there's still only 24 hours in a day) -- labor costs become a bigger factor as the organization scales So this brings up a more interesting debate -- e.g., one-man band / mom-and-pop vs. organizational strategy As an organization, trying to run a WISP with 700 residential customers is a complete waste of time, however, as a one-man-band -- an 700 customer WISP can be highly profitable The problem here is that there's a nasty chasm between what the one-man band can handle and what an organization needs to support itself (e.g., it doesn't scale linearly) The picture looks more like this 700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable Then -- they start hiring employees to grow and scale the business Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and what was once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach 2,000 customers before things get good again Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's the best stuff available. I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though. I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use. Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT because it's pretty low power use, which has practical value for solar sites or sites needing long battery backup. We don't have the time to tinker to use it for everything. We tried 900 with SR9 then XR9 and the reliability wasn't there compared to what we were accustomed to with Trango and Alvarion. Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs
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Re: [WISPA] Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP
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Re: [WISPA] Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP
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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Our company has almost 800 customers at the moment and 4 employees and is profitable! Charles Wu wrote: Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a reality and requirement in many situations. When you're working as a startup, labor costs are essentially zero (and if you're asian like myself, you can call on your kids/relatives/grandparents to work nights and weekends -- the classic Chinese restaurant business model =) However, when working with employees (and I don't care how smart / hard-working / strong willed you are, there's still only 24 hours in a day) -- labor costs become a bigger factor as the organization scales So this brings up a more interesting debate -- e.g., one-man band / mom-and-pop vs. organizational strategy As an organization, trying to run a WISP with 700 residential customers is a complete waste of time, however, as a one-man-band -- an 700 customer WISP can be highly profitable The problem here is that there's a nasty chasm between what the one-man band can handle and what an organization needs to support itself (e.g., it doesn't scale linearly) The picture looks more like this 700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable Then -- they start hiring employees to grow and scale the business Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and what was once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach 2,000 customers before things get good again Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's the best stuff available. I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though. I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use. Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT because it's pretty low power use, which has practical value for solar sites or sites needing long battery backup. We don't have the time to tinker to use it for everything. We tried 900 with SR9 then XR9 and the reliability wasn't there compared to what we were accustomed to with Trango and Alvarion. Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
200 subs, 2 owners, 3 employees and profitable... Super amazing fortunate we are. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: Our company has almost 800 customers at the moment and 4 employees and is profitable! Charles Wu wrote: Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a reality and requirement in many situations. When you're working as a startup, labor costs are essentially zero (and if you're asian like myself, you can call on your kids/relatives/grandparents to work nights and weekends -- the classic Chinese restaurant business model =) However, when working with employees (and I don't care how smart / hard-working / strong willed you are, there's still only 24 hours in a day) -- labor costs become a bigger factor as the organization scales So this brings up a more interesting debate -- e.g., one-man band / mom-and-pop vs. organizational strategy As an organization, trying to run a WISP with 700 residential customers is a complete waste of time, however, as a one-man-band -- an 700 customer WISP can be highly profitable The problem here is that there's a nasty chasm between what the one-man band can handle and what an organization needs to support itself (e.g., it doesn't scale linearly) The picture looks more like this 700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable Then -- they start hiring employees to grow and scale the business Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and what was once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach 2,000 customers before things get good again Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's the best stuff available. I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though. I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use. Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT because it's pretty low power use, which has practical value for solar sites or sites needing long battery backup. We don't have the time to tinker to use it for everything. We tried 900 with SR9 then XR9 and the reliability
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
1800 subs, 18 employes and profitable Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 200 subs, 2 owners, 3 employees and profitable... Super amazing fortunate we are. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Our company has almost 800 customers at the moment and 4 employees and is profitable! Charles Wu wrote: Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a reality and requirement in many situations. When you're working as a startup, labor costs are essentially zero (and if you're asian like myself, you can call on your kids/relatives/grandparents to work nights and weekends -- the classic Chinese restaurant business model =) However, when working with employees (and I don't care how smart / hard-working / strong willed you are, there's still only 24 hours in a day) -- labor costs become a bigger factor as the organization scales So this brings up a more interesting debate -- e.g., one-man band / mom-and-pop vs. organizational strategy As an organization, trying to run a WISP with 700 residential customers is a complete waste of time, however, as a one-man-band -- an 700 customer WISP can be highly profitable The problem here is that there's a nasty chasm between what the one-man band can handle and what an organization needs to support itself (e.g., it doesn't scale linearly) The picture looks more like this 700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable Then -- they start hiring employees to grow and scale the business Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and what was once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach 2,000 customers before things get good again Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's the best stuff available. I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though. I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use. Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT because it's pretty low
Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs
LOL, then I'm the wrong socialist :) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: It's not anti-capitalistic, you just happen to be the wrong capitalist! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs It depends. I've always been an optimistic person and things are coming together well here, but, I'm very concerned about the way our government has become so anti-capitalistic. On the positive note that I think the current congress is gonna get fired in next Novemenber's election I'd choose B. I might have chosen an A but we still have the fellow in the white house to deal with. Ask again when he is gone :) -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? A - Much more B - Somewhat more C - Same D - More pessimistic If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. Thank, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Jayson, Really, I guess it doesnt matter. It's just that your offerings are so remarkable, its hard to believe its true. Most people are on this list to be helpful and to get helped. It would be helpful to know who you are, your business model, and how you do it. My first question would be, how much are you paying for bandwidth? Thanks in advance. -RickG (KyWiFi) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP
Very nice article. I wish there were more like it! Good going guys. But, nobody commented. We cant leave this as the only post: Although WISPs are surviving now, there's doubt about what the future holds for them. After all, WiMAXhttp://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004415779/ShowPost.aspx#is coming. Short for Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access, WiMAX is an increasingly popular standard designed to supply wireless broadband access http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004415779/ShowPost.aspx# and promote interoperability. And in the WISP world, which often relies upon esoteric proprietary connections, the impact it will have has yet to be determined. -RickG On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2340369,00.asp - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP
Marlon has always been my hero! -RickG On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Well...11 months ago... =) He's still famous to me! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Way to go, Marlon! Your 15 minutes of fame has been officially extended. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2340369,00.asp - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
Something like $30/meg for blended Qwest, Level(3), TW Telecom, Cogent. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:38 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Jayson, Really, I guess it doesnt matter. It's just that your offerings are so remarkable, its hard to believe its true. Most people are on this list to be helpful and to get helped. It would be helpful to know who you are, your business model, and how you do it. My first question would be, how much are you paying for bandwidth? Thanks in advance. -RickG (KyWiFi) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.
I dream of that! We're still at $100/meg but expecting that to drop soon. Are you at liberty to say how many subs you have? -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Something like $30/meg for blended Qwest, Level(3), TW Telecom, Cogent. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:38 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Jayson, Really, I guess it doesnt matter. It's just that your offerings are so remarkable, its hard to believe its true. Most people are on this list to be helpful and to get helped. It would be helpful to know who you are, your business model, and how you do it. My first question would be, how much are you paying for bandwidth? Thanks in advance. -RickG (KyWiFi) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the wall in 2005--Canopy was starting to fall behind in speed compared to it's cost per unit. We sold the network. I consulted for 4 years, did software development, setup a WISP in Costa Rica. Last year we started offering service again, and are again growing very quickly. Less than 30 seconds on Google and I came up with this: peakinter.net On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or any other information about him or the companies he works or consults for. And when asked, all he says is why does it matter?. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swings in the usage as opposed to someone who is more endowed in the bandwidth area. Visuals unintended but it happened and seems to make sense.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use. We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. Some nights our Canopy APs are maxed out on bandwidth. However, we use the Mikrotik suggested QoS in our routers and we haven't had a single call complaining of slow speeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
