Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
Me, It is cheaper (over a two year period) to stick to my current plan than to change to the subsidized plan. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Correct... but how many people are going to buy the phone for $500 and still get to pay the same monthly for the service, just to not be in a contract? It will never happen. It makes no sense, when you can get the phone for $199 and sign a 2 year contract and have the same monthly price. Travis Microserv Aaron D. Osgood wrote: Prior to the release of the Nexus One - Google's input to cellular device manufacturers was limited to providing the Operating System (Android) only. With the Nexus One, Google designed the device completely and hired HTC to build it to Google Specifications (Much like Apple designed and controls the iPhone but subs out the actual manufacturing). The initial Nexus One is a GSM device (meaning it will work on TMobile or ATT in the US) but a CDMA version will be released soon (for Verizon or Sprint). Google is attempting to change the cellular landscape by selling the device directly without tying the buyer to a specific carrier - although some carrier's may choose to subsidize the device if you contract with them). Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 615-704-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net http://www.streamline-solutions.net Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Hmm, nevermind I see the HTC emblem on the back of the phone on the website now. Another Android based HTC phone... The specs are interesting though. On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 19:26 -0500, Matt Hardy wrote: now I'm intrigued by the actual Google Phone made my Google :) The Nexus One Phone : http://www.google.com/phone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I used to like Cleveland until I... uh... wait, I never liked Cleveland. I'll take Fiji. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I used to like Hawaii until I went to Fiji :) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8 twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
You would think so, but when I go to a bigger city, it performs flawlessly. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Of course it is! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
But as an observation, when the economy goes down, fires seem to go up.. It's the American way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Situations like this we replace the CPE at no charge. We maintain the CPE for our customers for any natural issues. Anything like Dog chewing cable, shotgun blasts, whatever, the customer is responsible for. With CPE prices where they are, it doesn't pay to go through the hassle or potential upset of the customer to try and charge them. I'd rather have the customer for life. Phone company will charge $200 (or more) for a replacement DSL modem that will take 3-5 days to get to them (unless they want to pay for overnight shipping). We're there same day (or whenever the customer is ready) to replace it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
but a CDMA version will be released soon (for Verizon or Sprint). Oh how I wish this were true. Even though the technologies are compatible, Sprint refuses to activate Verizon phones and vice versa. Google is attempting to change the cellular landscape by selling the device directly without tying the buyer to a specific carrier - although some carrier's may choose to subsidize the device if you contract with them). I'm not sure this is much of a change - GSM carriers have offered this for a very long time. You can put your SIM in just about any phone (assuming the frequencies are compatible with your carrier, but most phones support so many bands these days it's rarely an issue), and go. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: Comsearch's Free 3650 MHz Search Tool
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Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I agree 110%. Whats the point of getting tied up with them for such a low amount? If you're gonna dance woit the devil, you better make it worthwhile. (ymmv). On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Especially in the winter. Need some heat! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: But as an observation, when the economy goes down, fires seem to go up.. It's the American way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Yes. For instance... In my little town, the local hospital purchased the practice of a long time doctor. Building and all. The building was in a residential area, single story with basement. Had a few other offices in the building. Hospital decides to remodel a portion of it soon after the purchase. It was winter Oooops! Someone left the kerosene jet type heater on when they left! Burned to the ground.. Oh, but now we can build this NEW multi story building right next to the hospital to replace it! Gotta love it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Especially in the winter. Need some heat! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: But as an observation, when the economy goes down, fires seem to go up.. It's the American way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
I've found that most customers will jump the fence for a few bucks difference or an increase in speed no matter how much ass kissing I do. As an old boss I had years ago used to say... Business is business. Love is love. Money isn't love. Service is what I think separates some of that. I'll take service over price any day but some people will put up with god awful service and support for a buck difference. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Only if you get caught! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:02:27 -0700 Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600 Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
His family must live in the area. Taken further. Family ties from the wisp to the Pres. Dude. No need to worry about gov. regs. Could be true! Probably not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy 8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Sorry. Guess great minds think alike ;) lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:06:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600 Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
I had something like that. There is a building in West Palm that has an elevator. At each stop, the automated computer calls out the floor number. On the top floor, it plays the old windows error .wav sound. It gives you a strange feeling knowing Windows is in charge of the elevator in a skyscraper! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
Trust me. I've seen it and I've lived it. I used to have to teach these kids to make change. I'd say, Can you count from one to a hundred? *YUP!* Then you can make change. Many still didn't get it.. sigh.. A customer owes 30 bucks and they give you 2 twenties.. How much do you owe them back? I'd say.I dunno.. would be the answer. You can't count from 30 to 40? I don't really fault the schools, a lot of it has to do with experience. If you never needed it, you don't have it. Brain cells that is. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
That's just terrifying... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I had something like that. There is a building in West Palm that has an elevator. At each stop, the automated computer calls out the floor number. On the top floor, it plays the old windows error .wav sound. It gives you a strange feeling knowing Windows is in charge of the elevator in a skyscraper! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
Wait! There's more! The Continental Airlines vertically-mounted plasma screens that show flight/gate/time in Houston were frozen showing a Windows error... not long ago. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I had something like that. There is a building in West Palm that has an elevator. At each stop, the automated computer calls out the floor number. On the top floor, it plays the old windows error .wav sound. It gives you a strange feeling knowing Windows is in charge of the elevator in a skyscraper! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
My entire life, I've bent over backwards for all of my customers. I still do, but that doesnt mean I'm not realistic about how people are. It used to be that service made a difference. But, what I have seen over the past few years is that they want the lowest price and service too but price comes first. Then they just complain and beat up on the low price provider into submission. I've never been the low price provider except in a few instances where I gave a discount for some dumb reason. Those discount customers turned out to be the worst customers! The customer who pay the most are the best! Go figure! -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I've found that most customers will jump the fence for a few bucks difference or an increase in speed no matter how much ass kissing I do. As an old boss I had years ago used to say... Business is business. Love is love. Money isn't love. Service is what I think separates some of that. I'll take service over price any day but some people will put up with god awful service and support for a buck difference. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
We must live parallel lives! I stopped at an Arbys for lunch a while back in a college town. The register was out. My total was $5.15. I gave the kid a $10 and a quarter. He handed me 4 ones and a dime. I asked him to rethink the change. He scratched his head and finally the manager came over and corrected the situation. I asked the kid if he was going to college there. He said yes. I asked what his major was and he replied I'm a math major. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Trust me. I've seen it and I've lived it. I used to have to teach these kids to make change. I'd say, Can you count from one to a hundred? *YUP!* Then you can make change. Many still didn't get it.. sigh.. A customer owes 30 bucks and they give you 2 twenties.. How much do you owe them back? I'd say.I dunno.. would be the answer. You can't count from 30 to 40? I don't really fault the schools, a lot of it has to do with experience. If you never needed it, you don't have it. Brain cells that is. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s ! http://www.flixxy.com/sumsing-turbo-3000-cellphone.htm -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Good points Tom. But, without any evidence, I lean towards the Obama link. Therefore, the answers below would be different. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
Had a dial up customer leave us once. Asked why, he said you charge $20/month, I can switch to another service for $19.95. Switched for a NICKEL!!! - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire I've found that most customers will jump the fence for a few bucks difference or an increase in speed no matter how much ass kissing I do. As an old boss I had years ago used to say... Business is business. Love is love. Money isn't love. Service is what I think separates some of that. I'll take service over price any day but some people will put up with god awful service and support for a buck difference. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire
Earned on price, lost on price. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote: Had a dial up customer leave us once. Asked why, he said you charge $20/month, I can switch to another service for $19.95. Switched for a NICKEL!!! - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire I've found that most customers will jump the fence for a few bucks difference or an increase in speed no matter how much ass kissing I do. As an old boss I had years ago used to say... Business is business. Love is love. Money isn't love. Service is what I think separates some of that. I'll take service over price any day but some people will put up with god awful service and support for a buck difference. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside stuff. I replaced it just to get her going. I'd install new gear asap just got them back online. Then I'd give them an invoice for the installation and tell them to turn it into the insurance co. Pay us when you get paid marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS
COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS BroadbandMatch Intended to Help Prospective Applicants for Recovery Act Funding Find Broadband Project Partners FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 7, 2010 NTIA Media Contact: USDA Media Contact: Jessica Schafer Bartel Kendrick 202-482-5670 202-379-8400 WASHINGTON - The Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) and the USDA's Rural Utilities Service (RUS) today announced the launch of BroadbandMatch, a new online tool to facilitate partnerships among prospective applicants to the agencies' broadband grant and loan programs. The programs, funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, are intended to expand broadband access and adoption in America, helping to bridge the digital divide, create jobs, and stimulate long-term economic growth. BroadbandMatch - at http://match.broadbandusa.govhttp://match.broadbandusa.gov/ - allows potential applicants to find partners for broadband projects, helping them to combine expertise and create stronger proposals. For example, a broadband infrastructure provider might partner with community institutions, like universities, hospitals, or libraries, on a proposal to bring high-speed Internet service to their facilities. Any company, nonprofit, state or local government or expert individual interested in applying for funding under NTIA's Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP) or RUS's Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP) can post a profile, including key information about the contribution they can make to a broadband project, as well as search for other stakeholders whose skills and resources match their needs. In the first funding round, many applicants wanted to form partnerships but didn't know how best to locate other organizations with similar aims and complementary resources, said NTIA Administrator Lawrence E. Strickling. BroadbandMatch is a tool to help stakeholders collaborate, which can spur the highest caliber, most effective proposals for this crucial Recovery Act funding. It's like a matchmaking service where interested parties can discover each other to pursue their mutual interests, said RUS Administrator Jonathan S. Adelstein. It will help in locating community partners and establishing new relationships that will foster better broadband service in areas of the country that really need it. RUS and NTIA plan to announce the rules for the final funding round of the BTOP and BIP programs in the coming weeks. BroadbandMatch is a component project in support of the Obama Administration's Open Government Initiative, undertaking to bring an innovative, open approach to the way the government operates. In launching BroadbandMatch, NTIA and RUS are joining agencies across the government in retooling their approach to conducting business, to increase transparency, public participation, and collaboration. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Lots I can say...but it will only start an arguement. Is VoIP not competition to phone companies? On 1/7/10, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
A precondition to accepting stimulus money is to submit to an annual 3rd party CPA audit (which generally costs $10-15k / year) -- he's probably going to lose money on the deal... Oops... -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Respectfully disagree - Perhaps your statement should be: VOIP is competition to Circuit Switched telecom companies Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:31:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Lots I can say...but it will only start an arguement. Is VoIP not competition to phone companies? On 1/7/10, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Two wrongs dont make a right! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8 twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Yes, that is a very good point. BUT... He can use the profit from the deployed network to pay those auditing fees. I'd be more concerned about the statement that service was for a community of 600 and he might need to build to serve everyone. $106k is a bit tight to cover 600 people. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding A precondition to accepting stimulus money is to submit to an annual 3rd party CPA audit (which generally costs $10-15k / year) -- he's probably going to lose money on the deal... Oops... -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8 twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Because... Conventional means do not have to consider public good. Conventional means only needs to consider Profits for Stockholders. There is more to life than short term stock holder profits, when looking at economic development, putting people back to work, and curring the digital divide. For example, if someone is out of work, Tax payers are going to be paying for it whether its via Welfare or ARRA, might as well get something back for the Tax payer's money. Statistically, Peer to peer lending average defaults in the 5% level. Credit Card lending has reported defaults in the double digits. We can historically look at RUS loans, which may have had 1 default in its history. Just because PRivate Lenders wont take the risk lending to the type profile that the Feds will through ARRA, does not necessarilly mean that they will be bad loans. History shows otherwise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject:
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Thanks for the putdown. -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Don't feel bad - several banks turned us down, some approved. Every bank got the same information. It makes no sense. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:36 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Thanks for the putdown. -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
The Telecom industry has been fine. The CLECs were supposed to build out their own networks, most didn't. Those that didn't died. The cable companies are a much bigger threat than any CLEC... because they have their own plant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Travis, Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. So you are telling me that I have no right to be in business? The first 9 years I couldn't qualify for loans. I have been in the Wireless business for 10 years now and doing really well for myself from my perspective, and helping many people. I didn't need a Bank's endorsement to accomplish that, and I did just fine for my customers without them. A false assumption, that Banks are capable of determining who is or isn't a viable business. I'll admit Banks are good at determining whether a company falls within a broad pre-defined profile, and RISK can be estimated by looking at the average tracked for that profile type. But profiling is still a very innacurate way to measure the merits of an individual business, as many businesses dont fit into a profile and should not be measured the same way. This country's method of evaluating credit worthiness is the biggest sham, that I have ever witnessed. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. That I agree with. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and
