Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
LinkPlanner does this. Then you can copy it to Google Earth. On 3/29/10, Forbes Mercy wrote: > Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight > line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each > origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than > the beginning and end points along the line? For long legs in mixed > altitude areas that would really be nice. > > Forbes > > On 3/29/2010 1:12 PM, Jim Patient wrote: >> Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d buildings >> on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met Square >> in St Louis. It shows the elevation at street level and the top of the >> building. >> The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On 3/29/2010 2:03 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: >> >>> Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res >>> data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is >>> contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced >>> off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. >>> So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running >>> propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building >>> heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's >>> (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the >>> expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for >>> your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. Thanks! Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
WispMon does this and gives you freznel zone as well ;) Cameron > Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight > line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each > origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than > the beginning and end points along the line? For long legs in mixed > altitude areas that would really be nice. > > Forbes > > On 3/29/2010 1:12 PM, Jim Patient wrote: >> Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d buildings >> on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met Square >> in St Louis. It shows the elevation at street level and the top of the >> building. >> The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On 3/29/2010 2:03 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: >> >>> Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res >>> data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is >>> contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced >>> off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. >>> So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running >>> propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building >>> heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's >>> (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the >>> expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for >>> your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. Thanks! Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
I use them on Skywalker direct burial ethernet cable. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct > buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, RickG wrote: >> A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html >> -RickG >> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> >From Mouser >>> >>> < >>> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer >>> wrote: >>> fyi marlon > Dexter Magnetic Technologies > 847-956-1140 > > 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly > > > Apryl Kuch > Office Manager > Odessa Office Equipment/Accima > Box 489 > Odessa, Wa 99159 > 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 > www.odessaoffice.com > www.accima.com > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "Odessa Office 509-982-2181" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke > > >> Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Travis Johnson" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] FM choke >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes >>> specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. >>> Anyone have that link? >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html -RickG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >From Mouser > > < > http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d >> > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > wrote: > >> fyi >> marlon >> >> >> >> > Dexter Magnetic Technologies >> > 847-956-1140 >> > >> > 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly >> > >> > >> > Apryl Kuch >> > Office Manager >> > Odessa Office Equipment/Accima >> > Box 489 >> > Odessa, Wa 99159 >> > 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 >> > www.odessaoffice.com >> > www.accima.com >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Cc: "Odessa Office 509-982-2181" >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke >> > >> > >> >> Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? >> >> >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Travis Johnson" >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM >> >> Subject: [WISPA] FM choke >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite >> chokes >> >>> specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. >> >>> Anyone have that link? >> >>> >> >>> Travis >> >>> Microserv >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>> >> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, RickG wrote: > A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html > -RickG > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> >From Mouser >> >> < >> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d >>> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer >> wrote: >> >>> fyi >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> > Dexter Magnetic Technologies >>> > 847-956-1140 >>> > >>> > 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly >>> > >>> > >>> > Apryl Kuch >>> > Office Manager >>> > Odessa Office Equipment/Accima >>> > Box 489 >>> > Odessa, Wa 99159 >>> > 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 >>> > www.odessaoffice.com >>> > www.accima.com >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >>> > To: "WISPA General List" >>> > Cc: "Odessa Office 509-982-2181" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke >>> > >>> > >>> >> Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? >>> >> >>> >> marlon >>> >> >>> >> - Original Message - >>> >> From: "Travis Johnson" >>> >> To: "WISPA General List" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM >>> >> Subject: [WISPA] FM choke >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite >>> chokes >>> >>> specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. >>> >>> Anyone have that link? >>> >>> >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 ways you might be breaking the law with your computer: UPDATED
Meanwhile, you can go to China and get ANY software for $5/CD. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM, John Thomas wrote: > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1400&tag=nl.e102 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
SSSH, aliens > Signal is great > where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do the 2 man > show all over the county. (With everyone in a pickup truck stopping to > ask > why we're by the road with an antenna) > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I'd argue the largest reason for downtilt is to prevent interference with a far out cell site. Even with 5.8 I've had sectors interfere with other sectors 25 miles away,without downtilt. The problem is that downtilt can also cause more multi-path if shooting into urban concrete instead of rural dirt. Sometimes not having downtilt can result in a better quality link, believe it or not. But whats important is having the flexibilty to point the antenna the way you need to point when you need to. You dont always know in advance what is finally needed. One can only engineer and predict the appropriate downtilt, but predictions dont always come true. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector > antenna is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. > If you don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal > parallel to the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole > reason you downtilt is to get the strongest signal pointed to the area you > want. > > Figuring this out takes some basic trig calcs using the tangent function. > > No one has asked the most important questions you need to know when > calculating downtilt: > > 1. How high up is the sector antenna? > > 2. How far out or in what range near to far do you want the sweet spot? > > 3. How close in to the tower do you need service? > > #2 and #3 can conflict with each other and you may have to make a > tradeoff. > > leb > > At 2:22 PM -0400 3/29/10, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >>'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >>leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >> >>The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >>becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >> >>Faisal. >> >>On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >>> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >>> right >>> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >>> nothing >>> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while >>> I >>> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >>> that >>> with all of them... >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >>> things? >>> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > l...@iridescent.org > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than the beginning and end points along the line? For long legs in mixed altitude areas that would really be nice. Forbes On 3/29/2010 1:12 PM, Jim Patient wrote: > Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d buildings > on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met Square > in St Louis. It shows the elevation at street level and the top of the > building. > The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case. > > Jim > > > On 3/29/2010 2:03 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > >> Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res >> data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is >> contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced >> off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. >> So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running >> propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building >> heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's >> (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the >> expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for >> your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. >> >> Cameron >> >> On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? >>> Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be >>> excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
On 03/29/2010 01:13 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I don't believe that. I've turned people in and the FCC dealt with them. I > know of others that have also had success. > > Perhaps someone went about turning them in the wrong way? > > You do need some good proof. Spec analyzer readings, pics etc. > > If you need help give me a shout and I'll help you put together the info > you'll need and get you to the right people. > I agree...have some documentation in hand and collect it as you go. As I said earlier, a call to your Congressman is usually helpful if the direct approach doesn't work. Leon > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > > > >> Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. >> They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >> >>> On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: >>> >>> Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. >>> if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. >>> >>> leon >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Yeah, I've been fighting the -6db beam width in trying to figure them out. I actually had the same thought earlier to dump the large sectors and replace with the smaller 120's. I'm easily getting 10+ mile range out of them, they're smaller so I can put them on a single mast and they behave. Might just be the ticket. Thanks. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Well, UBNT's degrees are misleading. They are -6 dB beamwidths instead of -3 dB, like most manufacturers use. I believe a UBNT 90 performs similarly to a regular 120, but I can't be certain. The UBNT engineer said he saw minimal need for the high gain sectors and that most people should use the mid gain ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I have one where I'm hitting it at 12 miles with a -77 but the noise floor > hovers at around a -87 most of the time. But that's using a 23dbi cpe. > Haven't tried the UBNT 27dbi there, may make it all good. > > Would 90's be a better choice? I have only one AP using the smaller UBNT > 90's but haven't tried the large 90's, only the 120's. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:54 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > > I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Robert West" > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > >> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >> throwing >> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, >> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. >> But >> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to >> me... >> A little more work. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >> >> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >> >> Faisal. >> >> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >>> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >> right >>> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >> nothing >>> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while >>> I >>> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >>> that >>> with all of them... >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >>> things? >>> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> > >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > ---
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Well, I've been setting up a service contract with my friends on planet Wispalon so I need to find the proper tilt angle to beam the signal into space. :) Yeah, I've been mindful to stay off the horizon, seems wasteful in a big way. I'm not a trig scholar so I use basic tilt angle calculators which have never failed me but these things have me upside down. Tower height, distance desired and all are good to have but I was really interested in others experiences with them and how they have been able to get their angles. Again, the smaller, lower gain sectors have been right on the money but I wasn't aware (ignorant) that these high gain units would give me a smaller slice to work with. On the advice of another member I have been trying one AP with 4 120 degree 19dbi sectors used as 90's. Signal is great where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do the 2 man show all over the county. (With everyone in a pickup truck stopping to ask why we're by the road with an antenna) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector antenna is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. If you don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal parallel to the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole reason you downtilt is to get the strongest signal pointed to the area you want. Figuring this out takes some basic trig calcs using the tangent function. No one has asked the most important questions you need to know when calculating downtilt: 1. How high up is the sector antenna? 2. How far out or in what range near to far do you want the sweet spot? 3. How close in to the tower do you need service? #2 and #3 can conflict with each other and you may have to make a tradeoff. leb At 2:22 PM -0400 3/29/10, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon > >The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. > >Faisal. > >On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right >> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing >> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that >> with all of them... >> >> >> >> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? >> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert West >> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> >> 740-335-7020 >> >> >> >> Logo5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >--- - >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900connectorized
Being a vendor member, we can accommodate your needs at those quantities as well. 100 pack pricing on the 50/75 is not a problem. Contact myself or DJ at QuickLink Wireless. 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Don Renner Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900connectorized We are looking to do a Motorola Canopy purchase of 100 pack of 2.4 (could be combined with 5.7) and 100 pack of 900 connectorized. NetsurfUSA only needs 50 each, but would go to 75. Would anyone like to go in with our company? Thanks, Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 8550 Main St. French Lick, IN 47342 812-936-4514office 812-521-1876cell dren...@netsurfusa.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Well, UBNT's degrees are misleading. They are -6 dB beamwidths instead of -3 dB, like most manufacturers use. I believe a UBNT 90 performs similarly to a regular 120, but I can't be certain. The UBNT engineer said he saw minimal need for the high gain sectors and that most people should use the mid gain ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I have one where I'm hitting it at 12 miles with a -77 but the noise floor > hovers at around a -87 most of the time. But that's using a 23dbi cpe. > Haven't tried the UBNT 27dbi there, may make it all good. > > Would 90's be a better choice? I have only one AP using the smaller UBNT > 90's but haven't tried the large 90's, only the 120's. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:54 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > > I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Robert West" > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > >> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >> throwing >> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, >> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. >> But >> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to >> me... >> A little more work. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >> >> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >> >> Faisal. >> >> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >>> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >> right >>> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >> nothing >>> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while >>> I >>> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >>> that >>> with all of them... >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >>> things? >>> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> > >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
That would be one heck of a CPE! I'll take it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Well yes, a 30 dB dish would be fine. Most people don't use them as CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Stuart Pierce" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:33 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out > and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. > > 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave > it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and > fresnel is still in the ground but Rocket reports 29megs. The heavy rains > here recently haven't hurt it's 1500 byte pings at all either, so I'm > impressed. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mike Hammett" > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:32 -0500 > >>I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p >> >> >>- >>Mike Hammett >>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >>-- >>From: "Robert West" >>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM >>To: "'WISPA General List'" >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >>> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >>> throwing >>> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe >>> less, >>> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. >>> But >>> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to >>> me... >>> A little more work. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >>> >>> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >>> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >>> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >>> >>> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >>> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >>> >>> Faisal. >>> >>> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >>> right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >>> nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that with all of them... Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >>-- -- >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>--
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Same type of results here with the smaller sectors but these larger ones just aren't as user friendly. Just gotta get over my learning curve with them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and fresnel is still in the ground but Rocket reports 29megs. The heavy rains here recently haven't hurt it's 1500 byte pings at all either, so I'm impressed. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:32 -0500 >I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p > > >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > > > >-- >From: "Robert West" >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM >To: "'WISPA General List'" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > >> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >> throwing >> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, >> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But >> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... >> A little more work. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >> >> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >> >> Faisal. >> >> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >>> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >> right >>> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >> nothing >>> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >>> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >>> that >>> with all of them... >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >>> things? >>> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > >--- - >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net ---
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I have one where I'm hitting it at 12 miles with a -77 but the noise floor hovers at around a -87 most of the time. But that's using a 23dbi cpe. Haven't tried the UBNT 27dbi there, may make it all good. Would 90's be a better choice? I have only one AP using the smaller UBNT 90's but haven't tried the large 90's, only the 120's. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was > throwing > it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, > and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But > after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... > A little more work. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > > . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with > 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much > leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon > > The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only > becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. > > Faisal. > > On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right >> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing >> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >> that >> with all of them... >> >> >> >> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >> things? >> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert West >> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> >> 740-335-7020 >> >> >> >> Logo5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CA
Anyone in the Berkeley, CA area? Mike Goicoechea VP of Operations Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 806-763-1945 fax Skype Mike.Goik m...@cielosystems.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900 connectorized
Call 3db. They'll give you 100 pack pricing for 50 or 75 and a promise for the future ones. On 3/29/10, Don Renner wrote: > > We are looking to do a Motorola Canopy purchase of 100 pack of 2.4 (could be > combined with 5.7) and 100 pack of 900 connectorized. NetsurfUSA only needs > 50 each, but would go to 75. Would anyone like to go in with our company? > > Thanks, > Don Renner > NetsurfUSA, Inc. > 8550 Main St. > French Lick, IN 47342 > 812-936-4514 office > 812-521-1876 cell > dren...@netsurfusa.net > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector antenna is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. If you don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal parallel to the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole reason you downtilt is to get the strongest signal pointed to the area you want. Figuring this out takes some basic trig calcs using the tangent function. No one has asked the most important questions you need to know when calculating downtilt: 1. How high up is the sector antenna? 2. How far out or in what range near to far do you want the sweet spot? 3. How close in to the tower do you need service? #2 and #3 can conflict with each other and you may have to make a tradeoff. leb At 2:22 PM -0400 3/29/10, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon > >The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. > >Faisal. > >On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right >> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing >> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that >> with all of them... >> >> >> >> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? >> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert West >> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> >> 740-335-7020 >> >> >> >> Logo5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900 connectorized
We are looking to do a Motorola Canopy purchase of 100 pack of 2.4 (could be combined with 5.7) and 100 pack of 900 connectorized. NetsurfUSA only needs 50 each, but would go to 75. Would anyone like to go in with our company? Thanks, Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 8550 Main St. French Lick, IN 47342 812-936-4514office 812-521-1876cell dren...@netsurfusa.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Beer made Bud, er Ryan, weiser. -- Original Message -- From: Ryan Spott Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:42:37 -0700 >And don't do what I did for the first AP install I ever did. > >Mount the antenna to face exactly north.. Compass says north is >that-a-way.. > >OK.. then test.. > >Wait.. how come I have no signal here?!?! > >Over a beer I complain to my surveyor friend who reminds me about that whole >Magnetic vs true North thing!! :) Yeah, 18* declination here. > >ryan > >On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Forbes Mercy > wrote: > >> We have a lot of those sectors out and some of the lessons we learned >> were: 1) The higher the DB the less downward/upward range it covers, 2) >> same for 90's versus 120's, the 120's have a lot wider downward coverage >> than the 90's. Its hard on us because all of our towers are are on >> steep hills overlooking the valley so yeah you have to work hard once in >> a while to find the sweet spot. >> >> Forbes >> >> On 3/29/2010 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: >> > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >> > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >> right >> > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >> nothing >> > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >> > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >> that >> > with all of them... >> > >> > >> > >> > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >> things? >> > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> > Robert West >> > >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> > >> > 740-335-7020 >> > >> > >> > >> > Logo5 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
True, most won't, unless they really, really want it. I've had one in the shop for the past couple of months and people walk in and ask what it's for. I say it's for a tower location for when the snow leaves us, but how about going on your house somewhere. No one has said that they wouldn't, it would look just as big as a sat dish would anyway. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:39:18 -0500 >Well yes, a 30 dB dish would be fine. Most people don't use them as CPE. > > >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > > > >-- >From: "Stuart Pierce" >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:33 PM >To: "WISPA General List" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > >> Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out >> and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. >> >> 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave >> it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and >> fresnel is still in the ground but Rocket reports 29megs. The heavy rains >> here recently haven't hurt it's 1500 byte pings at all either, so I'm >> impressed. >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:32 -0500 >> >>>I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p >>> >>> >>>- >>>Mike Hammett >>>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>From: "Robert West" >>>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM >>>To: "'WISPA General List'" >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >>> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was throwing it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... A little more work. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. Faisal. On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the > tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while > I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do > that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these > things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ W
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
And don't do what I did for the first AP install I ever did. Mount the antenna to face exactly north.. Compass says north is that-a-way.. OK.. then test.. Wait.. how come I have no signal here?!?! Over a beer I complain to my surveyor friend who reminds me about that whole Magnetic vs true North thing!! :) Yeah, 18* declination here. ryan On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > We have a lot of those sectors out and some of the lessons we learned > were: 1) The higher the DB the less downward/upward range it covers, 2) > same for 90's versus 120's, the 120's have a lot wider downward coverage > than the 90's. Its hard on us because all of our towers are are on > steep hills overlooking the valley so yeah you have to work hard once in > a while to find the sweet spot. > > Forbes > > On 3/29/2010 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: > > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right > > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing > > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do > that > > with all of them... > > > > > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these > things? > > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Robert West > > > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > > > 740-335-7020 > > > > > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Well yes, a 30 dB dish would be fine. Most people don't use them as CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Stuart Pierce" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:33 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out > and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. > > 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave > it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and > fresnel is still in the ground but Rocket reports 29megs. The heavy rains > here recently haven't hurt it's 1500 byte pings at all either, so I'm > impressed. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mike Hammett" > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:32 -0500 > >>I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p >> >> >>- >>Mike Hammett >>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >>-- >>From: "Robert West" >>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM >>To: "'WISPA General List'" >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >>> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >>> throwing >>> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe >>> less, >>> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. >>> But >>> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to >>> me... >>> A little more work. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >>> >>> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >>> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >>> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >>> >>> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >>> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >>> >>> Faisal. >>> >>> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >>> right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >>> nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that with all of them... Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > _
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and fresnel is still in the ground but Rocket reports 29megs. The heavy rains here recently haven't hurt it's 1500 byte pings at all either, so I'm impressed. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:32 -0500 >I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p > > >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > > > >-- >From: "Robert West" >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM >To: "'WISPA General List'" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > >> I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was >> throwing >> it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, >> and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But >> after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... >> A little more work. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle >> >> . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with >> 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much >> leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon >> >> The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only >> becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. >> >> Faisal. >> >> On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >>> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go >> right >>> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, >> nothing >>> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >>> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >>> that >>> with all of them... >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >>> things? >>> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d buildings on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met Square in St Louis. It shows the elevation at street level and the top of the building. The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case. Jim On 3/29/2010 2:03 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res > data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is > contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced > off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. > So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running > propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building > heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's > (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the > expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for > your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. > > Cameron > > On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? >> Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be >> excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. >> >> Thanks! >> Charles >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Would the local building inspectors hold records? Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was > throwing > it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, > and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But > after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... > A little more work. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > > . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with > 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much > leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon > > The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only > becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. > > Faisal. > > On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: >> I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt >> angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right >> where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing >> I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I >> tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do >> that >> with all of them... >> >> >> >> Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these >> things? >> Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert West >> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> >> 740-335-7020 >> >> >> >> Logo5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
A "regular WISP" calling a field office to complain will produce zero response. The only way they will pay any attention is if there is supporting documentation with letters to the offender requesting they correct their network to be in compliance, dates/times, spectum analysis proving over EIRP/OOB. this is why I originally said it's a long and painful process - you have to suffer while you build your case. The good news is that with a good case, the FCC will act. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lakeland Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Marlon, You have personal contacts. That's cheating. I have contacts too and could probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you usually only get the recorded TV interference message. Maybe I'm just totally wrong. -B- Marlon K. Schafer writes: > H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Lakeland" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > > >> Sorry I side with Travis. >> >> I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly >> and >> DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce >> they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that >> they are required by law to do. >> >> There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they >> are >> causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some >> other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between >> two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. >> >> Thats the reality of the matter. >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerry Richardson writes: >> >>> Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel >>> gets the grease. >>> >>> Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, >>> previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. >>> >>> Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting >>> other legitimate users of the band. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM >>> To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! >>> >>> Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. >>> They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is > intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved > but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong > enough case. > > if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> Bob Moldashel >> Lakeland Communications, Inc. >> 1350 Lincoln Avenue >> Holbrook, NY 11741 >> 800-479-9195 >> 631-286-8873 Fax >> 516-551-1131 Cell >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Marlon, You have personal contacts. That's cheating. I have contacts too and could probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you usually only get the recorded TV interference message. Maybe I'm just totally wrong. -B- Marlon K. Schafer writes: > H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Lakeland" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > > >> Sorry I side with Travis. >> >> I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly >> and >> DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce >> they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that >> they are required by law to do. >> >> There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they >> are >> causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some >> other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between >> two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. >> >> Thats the reality of the matter. >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerry Richardson writes: >> >>> Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel >>> gets the grease. >>> >>> Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, >>> previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. >>> >>> Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting >>> other legitimate users of the band. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM >>> To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! >>> >>> Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. >>> They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is > intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved > but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong > enough case. > > if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> Bob Moldashel >> Lakeland Communications, Inc. >> 1350 Lincoln Avenue >> Holbrook, NY 11741 >> 800-479-9195 >> 631-286-8873 Fax >> 516-551-1131 Cell >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldas
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
For those that use this data, I believe the radar also reflects off trees, so the data can be skewed by large forested areas showing as somewhat higher elevation than they truly are. Cameron Crum wrote: > Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res > data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is > contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced > off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. > So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running > propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building > heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's > (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the > expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for > your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. > > Cameron > > On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? >> Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be >> excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. >> >> Thanks! >> Charles >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are running propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots for your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough. Cameron On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? > Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be > excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. > > Thanks! > Charles > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Tax assessing data 45 degree square and a tape measure on flat ground. 45 degree square, laser rangefinder, scientific calculator. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:07:36PM -0400, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? > Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be > excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. > > Thanks! > Charles > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was throwing it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me... A little more work. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. Faisal. On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. Faisal. On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
Skyscrapers.com is often useful in major cities. -Matt On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? > Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be > excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. > > Thanks! > Charles > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Building Heights?
Hello, Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. Thanks! Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I hear ya. Don't want to have to do that all the time but from what I'm seeing, we just may have to. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Main problem is that to get a 120 degree pattern with 16 db of gain you have to have a razor-thin vertical arpeture (around 6 degrees). So you're probably going to have to use the two-man method you're describing to get optimum results, or use a lower-gain antenna. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
True. They have a 2 degree down tilt. The adjuster goes to a negative 3 degrees but I've tried it flat, or zero on the adjuster leaving the 2 degree electrical tilt, but I'm not getting any decent signal after about a mile. My calculations say -1 degree, still no good. On one AP we've tried the "Go out 5 miles and call me" method Works but no two on the AP are at the same tilt even though the ground elevations are the same. But those smaller sectors are always right on the money Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle I was told to not tilt them, to leave them flat. They have a built in electrical downtilt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:36 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
We have a lot of those sectors out and some of the lessons we learned were: 1) The higher the DB the less downward/upward range it covers, 2) same for 90's versus 120's, the 120's have a lot wider downward coverage than the 90's. Its hard on us because all of our towers are are on steep hills overlooking the valley so yeah you have to work hard once in a while to find the sweet spot. Forbes On 3/29/2010 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
Main problem is that to get a 120 degree pattern with 16 db of gain you have to have a razor-thin vertical arpeture (around 6 degrees). So you're probably going to have to use the two-man method you're describing to get optimum results, or use a lower-gain antenna. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I couldn't use the markings as I was on a tower with sloped legs so I used an app on my iPhone. This would take the guesswork out (if you don't already have one): http://www.google.com/products/catalog?oe=UTF-8&gfns=1&q=angle+meter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=809291610433363299&ei=0OiwS8zgNpHSsgOpruTjDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB8Q8wIwAA#ps-sellers -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that with all of them... Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I was told to not tilt them, to leave them flat. They have a built in electrical downtilt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:36 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle > I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt > angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go > right > where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, > nothing > I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I > tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that > with all of them... > > > > Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? > Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that with all of them... Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. marlon - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > Sorry I side with Travis. > > I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly > and > DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce > they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that > they are required by law to do. > > There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they > are > causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some > other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between > two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. > > Thats the reality of the matter. > > -B- > > > > > > > Jerry Richardson writes: > >> Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel >> gets the grease. >> >> Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, >> previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. >> >> Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting >> other legitimate users of the band. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM >> To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! >> >> Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. >> They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >>> On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: >>> Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. >>> if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. >>> >>> leon >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > Bob Moldashel > Lakeland Communications, Inc. > 1350 Lincoln Avenue > Holbrook, NY 11741 > 800-479-9195 > 631-286-8873 Fax > 516-551-1131 Cell > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
I don't believe that. I've turned people in and the FCC dealt with them. I know of others that have also had success. Perhaps someone went about turning them in the wrong way? You do need some good proof. Spec analyzer readings, pics etc. If you need help give me a shout and I'll help you put together the info you'll need and get you to the right people. marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. > They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. > > Travis > Microserv > > Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >> On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: >> >>> Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is >>> intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved >>> but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough >>> case. >>> >>> >> if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. >> >> leon >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 10 ways you might be breaking the law with your computer: UPDATED
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Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
www.tucows.com Elliot is one of us! marlon - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting >I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for >updates. > > I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current > service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back > in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, > bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an > affordable easy to transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I > know Google has a service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell > me that it is the perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able > to give some clients an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or > Blackberry) for more money and everyone else just a regular pop. > > Any recommendations? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
>From Mouser < http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d > Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > fyi > marlon > > > > > Dexter Magnetic Technologies > > 847-956-1140 > > > > 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly > > > > > > Apryl Kuch > > Office Manager > > Odessa Office Equipment/Accima > > Box 489 > > Odessa, Wa 99159 > > 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 > > www.odessaoffice.com > > www.accima.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Cc: "Odessa Office 509-982-2181" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke > > > > > >> Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? > >> > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Travis Johnson" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM > >> Subject: [WISPA] FM choke > >> > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite > chokes > >>> specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. > >>> Anyone have that link? > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Apparently a lot for the hams traditionally go there. I'll be there for sure since my ride is going there. Hope to see & meet you Josh & Bob, &? *Blake, my ham buds say you should take that rope out there! On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Actually Alice recommended just that! Looks a bit fancy for some, but > I'd love to meet anyone on this list face to face. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM, RickG wrote: >> I just found out from my ride that we wont make lunch. My ride >> suggests the Barnsider for dinner @ 4-5pm. >> -RickG >> >> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> I am cheap. Not afraid to admit it. Love me a cheese sandwich (with >>> Velveeta cheese) and Ramen chicken flavored noodles. That's an awesome >>> dinner for under $1. >>> >>> I'll ask some friends what they'd suggest but >>> >>> *Thai 9 has great food >>> *Flying Pizza is amazing >>> >>> How many people are planning on being in the area? I may be able to help >>> with lodging on Miller Lane (known as restaurant row). >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Robert West >>> wrote: >>> Looks like Josh is making the plans. Unless it's at some food court. Or a Rallys. You're such a cheap SOB sometimes, Josh.. Honestly - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest Any preference on places to eat? Not sure what exactly is good and near Hara. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, RickG wrote: > Great! Whos making lunch plans? > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West > wrote: > > I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, > uninvited > > of course. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of RickG > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > > > OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in > > May. Anyone else going? > > -RickG > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wisp
Re: [WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower
Hmmm, that's strange. Are you on an FM radio station tower? I have a LOT of ethernet problems in areas like that. Also, make sure you have a DC passing filter marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Lambert" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower > We have a tower where we just changed out the equipment a couple of > weeks ago. Customers have been complaining of "slow internet" ever > since. I got brought in to look at it today. I'm more the network / > server management guy. I don't normally get my hands dirty with the > wireless gear. > > I found that at the far end of the backhaul, I could get 16Mbps down > and about 380Kbps up. Should be a syncronous link. I logged into the > managed switch at the near end of the link and noticed a lot of CRC > errors. So I went to the near end and started pinging the StarOS box on > that tower across the ethernet. I saw 15 to 20% packet loss. Problem > segment located! > > I swapped the cables from the switch to the PoE injector with another > 3ft cable. Same problem. Swapped the cable from the PoE to the > PolyPhaser NX4-60-IG. Same or double the packet loss. I swapped PoE > adapters. Same packet loss. I swapped PolyPhasers, same packet loss. > > If I swap the cable from the switch to the PoE injector with a 6ft > cable, I get about 40% packet loss. With a 10 ft cable, it seems to be > about 60% packet loss. > > I pulled the PolyPhaser out of line, used a 10ft cable to bring the PoE > injector to the where the PolyPasers are installed, and got 0% packet > loss. Unfortunately, I don't have a volt meter with me, so can't test > the voltage coming out of the 48VDC adapter. > > Does it sound plausible that the 1 ohm added to the circuit by the > PolyPhaser could be knocking the signal levels down enough to cause > problems? The entire length of the cat5 run can't be more than 75 feet. > I think it's closer to 50 feet. > > I've just tested the link after bypassing the polyphaser and 3ft of cat5 > jumper and I get 1.6MB/s each direction for non-compressible data over > an SSH connection. The bad news is, we are expecting thunderstorms > tonight... > > -- > Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix > SysAdmin > lamb...@lambertfam.org > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] freeside help
Hi All, We mostly like our freeside install. I can't handle freeside the company anymore though. It's been a year now and our credit cards still won't run. Both sides tell me that the other side won't contact them. sigh I finally was able to afford the new radius server we needed (the old one is doing too much and is over 4 years old) and now I can't get radius finished up. That's been at least 2 maybe 3 weeks. Much longer if you count delays on my end I sometimes hate not knowing how to set all this stuff up :-). When we first got freeside we told them that we HAD to have the new FCC 477 data included with all customer records AND a report in the FCC's desired format. They put custom data fields in for us but no report! I can't get the data back out. Now, we have to report the info to the FCC and we're being told that we need to upgrade to the latest version of freeside. It won't use our census tract data, the mechanism has been automated. So we just spent a year with a 1 day per week employee, typing info into freeside and part of it is being dumped. I don't think we'll be able to override the automatic census mechanism even though our experience so far has been that ALL automated conversions are roughly 50% wrong. We've even had people show up in the wrong state! ug We also have a couple of searches that we have to be able to do. And a custom form or two. Freeside is ghastly expensive for thier time and they take weeks sometimes months to even give us a quote. I'm "THIS" close to writing off the entire company and any product they ever produce and just hiring the extra help I'll need to keep quickbooks, access, excel, and our other stand along applications going. It'll be far less stressful. I've talked to a couple of guys that use freeside and have offered to help us get some of this working but so far none has actually come though with any actual work. Is there a GOOD freeside tech out there that has a good attitude toward his customers that aren't able to do their own fine tuning? We need some hand holding and have some requirements that apparently others don't care about (little things like the ability to sort customers based on what tower they are on). I have GOT to get this project wrapped up or toss it out and start over with something else. Call us, we'll tell you what we need help with, tell me what it'll cost. If I can afford you your hired It'll be very helpful if you are known on the list or at least have references that are known here. HELP! thanks marlon 509.988.0260 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I once had a 4U server sent to me. You can imagine how tall the box was after packing, etc. I received a call asking if I could go to the local UPS center because there was an issue and they did not want to deliver it. Since I was headed that way anyway I agreed. When I arrived they took me back to the box. It had tire tracks on the top of it! Keep in mind this box was at least 28² tall. I think they used it for a wheel chock on the airplane and ran over it. Either that or it made a stop by a monster truck event. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Mike Hammett Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:06:53 -0500 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest No one anywhere really cares about the boxes or what's in them. Not the sender, shipper, or receiver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Scottie Arnett" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:51 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest > I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 > times a day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was > there my supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not > getting unloaded fast enough. I can see why it was broken. > > Scottie > > -- Original Message -- > From: RickG > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400 > >>I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS & FedEx >>drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got >>150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in >>knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off. >>Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you. >>That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get >>another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it. >>-RickG >> >>On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers >>wrote: >>> Crud... Broken spool number 2. >>> >>> I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will >>> come apart. >>> >>> Were you able to get the rope off? >>> >>> >>> Don't take your organs to heaven, >>> heaven knows we need them down here! >>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest >>> >>> I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: > If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 > foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > >> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >> May. Anyone else going? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISP
[WISPA] Rick Kunze
Has anyone heard from Rick Kunze lately? I see Level3 got some money to open up a POP in his home town. http://www.telecomramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/BTOP-Awardee-Info-LVLT2-150x150.png - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: FM choke
fyi marlon > Dexter Magnetic Technologies > 847-956-1140 > > 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly > > > Apryl Kuch > Office Manager > Odessa Office Equipment/Accima > Box 489 > Odessa, Wa 99159 > 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 > www.odessaoffice.com > www.accima.com > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "Odessa Office 509-982-2181" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke > > >> Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Travis Johnson" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] FM choke >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes >>> specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. >>> Anyone have that link? >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone near Eastern Cleveland?
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2010/03/who-needs-google-1gbps-to-eastern-cleveland/#more-6155 Did you hear from CWRU? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
I'm not sure that I'd want to give up my customer's data to a datamining company that is not interested in their privacy. --C On 3/26/2010 5:36 AM, Blair Davis wrote: > got a link for more info on the ISP version of Gmail? > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> We do. We love it, customers love it. >> >> -Original Message- >> From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting >> >> Josh, >> Do you use Google's ISP solution? >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> I use Gmail. Don't get those calls. Still get some revenue. >>> >>> On 3/25/10, Robert West wrote: >>> I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email accounts every few months and dealing with the mail server, backups and all that other stuff that I really had no time for. I kept the users who were on the system, stopped assigning email to the new subs and eventually we had zero mail users and I was done. If someone insists on mail, I'll assign one and charge an extra 5 bucks a month for it and add it to our domain which we now just host with a webhosting company. Simple and cheap. We've all had this discussion before and yes, I know it's cool to have your service name in emails being sent out all over but I really get no advertisement from that unless they are sending the emails local and even with that, the area already knows us. Ah. The joy of not getting the "My emails not workin'" phone calls. Bob- -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and everyone else just a regular pop. Any recommendations? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> -- >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org >> >> Sub
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Yes, but Maia Mailguard doesn't know how to deal with dbmail which is the non standard piece that I'm using. dbmail is a replacement for dovecot or other local mail transport that uses MySQL or PostgreSQL as it message store and for accounts. I don't have to have user accounts for the mail customers. Its very fast very stable and allows for realtime replication of mail data accross servers. You can build a decent DB server and connect several dbmail machines to it. I'm also using powerdns so everything is in a MySQL database and everything is replicated. I just wish amavisd-new and database configuration for it was straight forward. --C On 3/25/2010 9:30 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > fully brandable as well :-) > > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > > >> Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? >> >> >> I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. >> >> MySQL >> dbmail >> postfix >> spamassassin >> fuzzyOCR >> amavisd-new >> clamav >> >> It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't >> find a cool control panel. >> >> These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their "appliances." >> >> >> >> >> On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: >> >>> Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the >>> >> process >> >>> of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are >>> >> ones that >> >>> continually get updated. >>> >>> This might help: >>> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >>> >>> BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
